No he didn't, he wrote a lettr. I'd never seen one of those things before now but it appears to be another Twattr, Wankr or Tossr style meeja platform but with nicer fonts.
A letter is not broadcast across the world but is a slow, expensive point to point medium. It also requires effort, paper, pens (or possibly crayons), some saliva, an envelope, a stamp and some legwork to post it. I used to be a prolific letter writer and loved to send and receive them many years ago.
Those days are past now. Shame really. The world turns.
Evolution with the EWS connector works very well for me and the missus. Calendars, address lists and all. You can't create/edit Exchange rules but Evo has its own rules system and you can always create them on Outlook and the server will run things for you anyway.
Unfortunately you have to miss out on all that rebooting after each update.
Funnily enough, you can get your Exchange system to be PCI DSS 3.1 compatible via HA Proxy but for those blasted Outlook Anywhere clients, OK and pre Lollipop droids (they wont do TLS 1.2)...
Why, to be honest I've pretty much forgotten what init system I've got running on my laptop and desktop. They just work. I very rarely have to bother with systemctl, KDE even has a GUI for it but a quick spell at the bash prompt is quicker.
I have to manage sysvinit, upstart, openrc and systemd based systems. systemd sucks less than the rest in general although I hate the verb in the middle thing. I once had to write a openrc script which was a bit of a pain, now I just copy a unit from wherever I fancy and tweak it a bit.
I think you'll find the brouhaha has near enough expired and people are cracking on with doing stuff.
"... Where the youngin's come in and rip up everything..."
Get off my lawn and learn to spell.
I've run an IT *company* now for well over 15 years. Herr P is a bit outspoken but in general I agree with his approach. Some of their design decisions are a bit wacky to my mind but I'm an old fogey in that regard. However I am happy to report that my large herds of Linux boxes are much happier with systemd than they were with an unholy mix of sysvinit, openrc, upstart and other stuff.
Putting the imperative in the middle eg "systemctl restart apache2" is their biggest crime. SVO is all very well but in general you want to edit the verb. Funnily enough German generally uses a SOV construction.
My wife has no idea she is using Arch Linux and KDE in the main on her laptop. It just works. She browses the web, Facebook and dodgy Flash games, YouTube etc etc, emails via our corp Exchange (I own the company), and so on. Printing just works as does the webcam, bluetooth, touchpad and all the rest.
I replaced the laptop with another in about 60 mins after cloning the old HD to the new one, most of that was spent getting the discs out into a cloner. I had to fiddle with one driver (Broadcom WiFi bollocks).
I update it via ssh every now and then and suggest a reboot eventually when she fancies it. I have locked the widgets and embiggened some of them so they are always where they should be and easy to find.
No computer OS is just plain sailing, Windows, Linux, *BSD, OSX or whatever. They all have sharp edges somewhere.
"One of the hard earned lessons from that is: always use " A BATTERY BACKED RAID CONTROLLER and UPS, a decent SAN etc etc - FTFY.
"I've been doing software development over many years" - Shows. Sorry for being blunt but you did not major in sysadmin. Your logs should not be on the failing system in the first place if they are important.
You should only worry about your log format as a parameter not a life choice.
Care to really quantify that, based on real experience? Here's my ha'p'orth.
Linux kernel: You get the source and quite a lot of info on what each option does in menuconfig or whatever. Mailer daemons (for example): Postfix, Exim and Sendmail are very well documented, have excellent mailing lists. Masses of examples across the web and shed loads of forums and postings Samba, BIND, KDE, Gnome, Apache, nginx, HA Proxy, Elastic Search, Hadoop, Postgres, MariaDB, libvirtd, Xorg, NetworkManager, FreeCAD, LibreCAD, LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Evolution, Krita, Scribus...... blimey the list goes on and on and on. Anyway they all have really good docs and a massive support organisation.
Do you really think that a distro needs to do anymore than note down what they do that is "different"?
"(sorry, Slackware, you're a relic; Gentoo, you're impractical)"
Sorry AC , you don't get it: It doesn't matter whether 1 or 1 billion people use a distro, they are exercising their choice - their ability to choose what they want. That is the most powerful aspect of free software whether it be Gentoo, Slack, Yggdrasil (my first), *BSD or whatever.
YOU GET A FUCKING CHOICE OF WHAT OS TO PUT ON YOUR COMPUTER.
Your insinuation that FreeBSD will somehow slide into the breech to replace Linux is almost as laughable as this being the year of Linux on the Desktop.
BTW I use Gentoo quite a lot (50 odd systems) and they all have pid 1 == systemd...
"And Gentoo already has a replacement with eudev."
As with everything in Gentoo - it's all about choice. I've taken the liberty of ditching OpenRC and gone systemd everywhere I run a Gentoo box - laptops, servers etc etc. I run around 50 systems on Gentoo mostly servers. Wifey gets Arch on her laptop because compilation time.
One big gain is not having to write my own custom init scripts and simply scrape another distro's effort if it isn't available in Portage. The only thing I really dislike with systemd is: systemctl . Why put the bit that you will want to edit in the middle? It's particularly ironic given that LP is German and they slap the verbs at the end of a sentence. Perhaps that wasn't his input.
That's _my_ choice, you can make yours as you like.
My DNS servers are on the same subnet and there isn't one cable anywhere you could unplug that would take them both offline.
What about:
* Router misconfig, takes out default gateway for a while for both * An extra cable is added and {MR}STP was disabled by accident or something like that. * etc etc
Anyway, your proud boast may one day discover that people do the funniest things. If your DNS servers are in fact the same box with two IPs...
"Security vulnerabilities are not found on a schedule."
Agreed. Still, at least we get silly names for OpenSSL vulns rather than simply just CVEs and KB numbers with descriptions that usually say something like "A vulnerability in stuff can cause your cat to spontaneously combust on wednesdays when the full moon is in venus. You may have to reboot your computer after applying this update."
Oh well, it's time to: $sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade $sudo pacman -Syu #emerge -uva --deep --newuse --keep-going @world $sudo yum up
The third one above is my patch tuesday, wednesday and probably thursday 8) My laptop is starting to cook my bollocks, compiling LibreOffice.
It's fine for water pipes. Copper *is* toxic when when you ingest it in sufficient quantities and in he right form but you will not ingest Cu (in suff...) when drinking water from copper fed pipes. That's one of the reasons why it's used.
Why not ask your plumber to replace all that nasty copper pipe work with lead (Pb) in your house? After all the moniker "plumber" is derived from plumbum which as you know means lead in Latin. Why not make use of the "wisdom of the ancients"?
In Britain he is generally known as "Captain Scott" or "Scott of the errr is it the Artic or the other one?"
We deify people who try really hard but come second and Scott is no exception being beaten to the South Pole by the Norwegian Amundsen, but he cheated by knowing more about the environment and being properly equipped.
MS famously invented the notion of "a best practice". Unfortunately they seem incapable of following good practice in many areas. The other vendors you mention also have similar foibles regarding what's best for you.
Now the FOSS community is just that - a community filled with opinions, advice and a fair old software output.
Each product stands on its own. You pays your money...
In Gentoo you get three versions of Chrome - stable, beta, unstable. My wife's Arch running laptop has Chrome although to be fair I did have to add it from the community package source which seems to be pretty obligatory anyway.
Pretty sure Ubuntu and Mint have it available. I doubt very much that Debian, with its legendarily large repo of stuff can't manage a major browser.
If you can install Linux there's a fair chance you can get Chrome to run on it.
Nearly any network tech should be faster than Ethernet in certain circumstances. Ethernet is generally good though and appears to be quite good a scaling.
I remember the good old days and the joys of beaconing 8)
Have I stumbled into a new green themed version of LWN? The comments here are far too insightful and interesting for the usual/. fare. Can't even find the frist post.
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"Vint Cerf ... wrote a letter ..."
No he didn't, he wrote a lettr. I'd never seen one of those things before now but it appears to be another Twattr, Wankr or Tossr style meeja platform but with nicer fonts.
A letter is not broadcast across the world but is a slow, expensive point to point medium. It also requires effort, paper, pens (or possibly crayons), some saliva, an envelope, a stamp and some legwork to post it. I used to be a prolific letter writer and loved to send and receive them many years ago.
Those days are past now. Shame really. The world turns.
Evolution with the EWS connector works very well for me and the missus. Calendars, address lists and all. You can't create/edit Exchange rules but Evo has its own rules system and you can always create them on Outlook and the server will run things for you anyway.
Unfortunately you have to miss out on all that rebooting after each update.
Funnily enough, you can get your Exchange system to be PCI DSS 3.1 compatible via HA Proxy but for those blasted Outlook Anywhere clients, OK and pre Lollipop droids (they wont do TLS 1.2) ...
Why, to be honest I've pretty much forgotten what init system I've got running on my laptop and desktop. They just work. I very rarely have to bother with systemctl, KDE even has a GUI for it but a quick spell at the bash prompt is quicker.
I have to manage sysvinit, upstart, openrc and systemd based systems. systemd sucks less than the rest in general although I hate the verb in the middle thing. I once had to write a openrc script which was a bit of a pain, now I just copy a unit from wherever I fancy and tweak it a bit.
I think you'll find the brouhaha has near enough expired and people are cracking on with doing stuff.
It's Stonehenge turned up to 11.
"... Where the youngin's come in and rip up everything ..."
Get off my lawn and learn to spell.
I've run an IT *company* now for well over 15 years. Herr P is a bit outspoken but in general I agree with his approach. Some of their design decisions are a bit wacky to my mind but I'm an old fogey in that regard. However I am happy to report that my large herds of Linux boxes are much happier with systemd than they were with an unholy mix of sysvinit, openrc, upstart and other stuff.
Putting the imperative in the middle eg "systemctl restart apache2" is their biggest crime. SVO is all very well but in general you want to edit the verb. Funnily enough German generally uses a SOV construction.
Cheers
Jon
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Old thread but I can't resist: I just give her what she needs and at the same time spend less time (on the IT side) than I did with Windows 7.
I have 20+ years experience with Windows and DOS and a mere 15 or so with Linux. From my perspective, supporting Arch is easier than Windows 7.
Ah, but I use a palindromic PIN - hah!
My wife has no idea she is using Arch Linux and KDE in the main on her laptop. It just works. She browses the web, Facebook and dodgy Flash games, YouTube etc etc, emails via our corp Exchange (I own the company), and so on. Printing just works as does the webcam, bluetooth, touchpad and all the rest.
I replaced the laptop with another in about 60 mins after cloning the old HD to the new one, most of that was spent getting the discs out into a cloner. I had to fiddle with one driver (Broadcom WiFi bollocks).
I update it via ssh every now and then and suggest a reboot eventually when she fancies it. I have locked the widgets and embiggened some of them so they are always where they should be and easy to find.
No computer OS is just plain sailing, Windows, Linux, *BSD, OSX or whatever. They all have sharp edges somewhere.
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Been using it since it came out - very light on resources and does one job well.
"One of the hard earned lessons from that is: always use " A BATTERY BACKED RAID CONTROLLER and UPS, a decent SAN etc etc - FTFY.
"I've been doing software development over many years" - Shows. Sorry for being blunt but you did not major in sysadmin. Your logs should not be on the failing system in the first place if they are important.
You should only worry about your log format as a parameter not a life choice.
Care to really quantify that, based on real experience? Here's my ha'p'orth.
Linux kernel: You get the source and quite a lot of info on what each option does in menuconfig or whatever. ...... blimey the list goes on and on and on. Anyway they all have really good docs and a massive support organisation.
Mailer daemons (for example): Postfix, Exim and Sendmail are very well documented, have excellent mailing lists. Masses of examples across the web and shed loads of forums and postings
Samba, BIND, KDE, Gnome, Apache, nginx, HA Proxy, Elastic Search, Hadoop, Postgres, MariaDB, libvirtd, Xorg, NetworkManager, FreeCAD, LibreCAD, LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Evolution, Krita, Scribus
Do you really think that a distro needs to do anymore than note down what they do that is "different"?
"(sorry, Slackware, you're a relic; Gentoo, you're impractical)"
Sorry AC , you don't get it: It doesn't matter whether 1 or 1 billion people use a distro, they are exercising their choice - their ability to choose what they want. That is the most powerful aspect of free software whether it be Gentoo, Slack, Yggdrasil (my first), *BSD or whatever.
YOU GET A FUCKING CHOICE OF WHAT OS TO PUT ON YOUR COMPUTER.
Your insinuation that FreeBSD will somehow slide into the breech to replace Linux is almost as laughable as this being the year of Linux on the Desktop.
BTW I use Gentoo quite a lot (50 odd systems) and they all have pid 1 == systemd ...
Cheers
Jon
"And Gentoo already has a replacement with eudev."
As with everything in Gentoo - it's all about choice. I've taken the liberty of ditching OpenRC and gone systemd everywhere I run a Gentoo box - laptops, servers etc etc. I run around 50 systems on Gentoo mostly servers. Wifey gets Arch on her laptop because compilation time.
One big gain is not having to write my own custom init scripts and simply scrape another distro's effort if it isn't available in Portage. The only thing I really dislike with systemd is: systemctl . Why put the bit that you will want to edit in the middle? It's particularly ironic given that LP is German and they slap the verbs at the end of a sentence. Perhaps that wasn't his input.
That's _my_ choice, you can make yours as you like.
Cheers
Jon
My DNS servers are on the same subnet and there isn't one cable anywhere you could unplug that would take them both offline.
What about:
* Router misconfig, takes out default gateway for a while for both
* An extra cable is added and {MR}STP was disabled by accident or something like that.
* etc etc
Anyway, your proud boast may one day discover that people do the funniest things. If your DNS servers are in fact the same box with two IPs ...
"Security vulnerabilities are not found on a schedule."
Agreed. Still, at least we get silly names for OpenSSL vulns rather than simply just CVEs and KB numbers with descriptions that usually say something like "A vulnerability in stuff can cause your cat to spontaneously combust on wednesdays when the full moon is in venus. You may have to reboot your computer after applying this update."
Oh well, it's time to:
$sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
$sudo pacman -Syu
#emerge -uva --deep --newuse --keep-going @world
$sudo yum up
The third one above is my patch tuesday, wednesday and probably thursday 8) My laptop is starting to cook my bollocks, compiling LibreOffice.
Actually I suspect it's a case of the devices being "helpful":
1. FTP switched on by default on NAS
2. Anon access switched on by default
3. UPnP does the rest
OK the end user may have to enable 1 and 2 manually but they are probably unaware of what UPnP can be made to do.
It's fine for water pipes. Copper *is* toxic when when you ingest it in sufficient quantities and in he right form but you will not ingest Cu (in suff ...) when drinking water from copper fed pipes. That's one of the reasons why it's used.
Why not ask your plumber to replace all that nasty copper pipe work with lead (Pb) in your house? After all the moniker "plumber" is derived from plumbum which as you know means lead in Latin. Why not make use of the "wisdom of the ancients"?
Cheers
Jon
As a Brit, I'll feel right at home in the US now.
>>Now I feel old.
You probably are granddad 8)
In Britain he is generally known as "Captain Scott" or "Scott of the errr is it the Artic or the other one?"
We deify people who try really hard but come second and Scott is no exception being beaten to the South Pole by the Norwegian Amundsen, but he cheated by knowing more about the environment and being properly equipped.
Bollocks.
MS famously invented the notion of "a best practice". Unfortunately they seem incapable of following good practice in many areas. The other vendors you mention also have similar foibles regarding what's best for you.
Now the FOSS community is just that - a community filled with opinions, advice and a fair old software output.
Each product stands on its own. You pays your money ...
Cheers
Jon
In Gentoo you get three versions of Chrome - stable, beta, unstable. My wife's Arch running laptop has Chrome although to be fair I did have to add it from the community package source which seems to be pretty obligatory anyway.
Pretty sure Ubuntu and Mint have it available. I doubt very much that Debian, with its legendarily large repo of stuff can't manage a major browser.
If you can install Linux there's a fair chance you can get Chrome to run on it.
Nearly any network tech should be faster than Ethernet in certain circumstances. Ethernet is generally good though and appears to be quite good a scaling.
I remember the good old days and the joys of beaconing 8)
Good grief: they appear to have invented a scheduler of some sort. I read the rather thin Network World article and that reveals little.
Nothing to see here - move on!
Have I stumbled into a new green themed version of LWN? The comments here are far too insightful and interesting for the usual /. fare. Can't even find the frist post.