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Netflix Now Works On Linux With HTML5 DRM Video Support In Chrome

An anonymous reader writes "Beginning with the Chrome 38 Beta it's now possible to watch Netflix without any Wine/Silverlight plug-ins but will work natively using Chrome's DRM-HTML5 video capabilities with Netflix. The steps just involve using the latest beta of Chrome and an HTTP user-agent switcher to tell Netflix you're a Windows Chrome user, due to Netflix arbitrarily blocking the Linux build."

201 comments

  1. Why is by mail.jpcs · · Score: 2

    Netflix arbitrarily blocking the Linux build

    I find it hard to believe that they would do it just because they can.

    1. Re:Why is by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they do not want my OS, they do not want my money... I mean it is nice that it can work, but I am not signing up yet.

    2. Re:Why is by astro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because no matter how strongly they state that a configuration is not supported, if it's not expressly blocked, people will try to get technical support for it. And with the distro landscape as it is, supporting mainstream software on "Linux" is a nightmare.

    3. Re:Why is by binarylarry · · Score: 0, Troll

      Reed Hastings, the douche who runs netfix, is a huge microsoftie.

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    4. Re:Why is by markdavis · · Score: 2

      If it is browser based, is it really THAT hard to "support"? Just wondering.

      BTW- as far as I am aware, no distro includes or supports Chrome, anyway... only Chromium (which is open source).

    5. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix, was also on the Board of Directors for Microsoft from 2007 through 2012.

      So yes, they can.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Hastings

    6. Re:Why is by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I used to be a long term NF user (the mail dvd's, that is) but the service started getting slow (mailings were not as fast as before) and many titles were dropped (not NF's fault, but I still had less choice).

      TPB does what I need and there's never a problem with compatibility ;)

      sorry, entertainment industry, but I gave up on you. for decades (quite a few of them) I helped fund your overpriced shite. that has now ended.

      my cost is that of a VPN and that's it. and so, I'm 'there' until things drastically change, and I don't see that happening even in my lifetime.

      so, even though linux is now 'working', I could actually care less. too little, too late.

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    7. Re:Why is by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ex-Microsoft people, always causing trouble to their new companies to benefit their old company. See also: Stephen Elop.

    8. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I could actually care less

      So exactly how much less could you actually care then?

    9. Re:Why is by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      BTW- as far as I am aware, no distro includes or supports Chrome, anyway... only Chromium (which is open source).

      What do you mean by support?

      On my linux box, I have both Chromium and Chrome installed. Chrome makes it easier to switch google apps profiles than Chromium.

    10. Re: Why is by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Which raises another question. Can you make Chromium work with Netflix?

      I'm a firefox guy personally. I use pipelight and it works quite well.

    11. Re:Why is by astro · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the replies on the linked blog post, people are having distro-specific successes / failures even after following the instructions. I can imagine this being anything from distro specific paths, to permissions on certain binaries that could be different for say, Fedora from Mint, to codec issues (though as I understand it with Chrome the codecs are all basically wrapped up in the binary?) The specific technical details of this situation are a bit out of my area of expertise but I don't think any of the things I guess at here are out of the realm of possibility.

      Technical issues aside - I welcome this development. I know and understand completely that a lot of people have issues with DRM making it's way into the core HTML (5) specs, but I kind of see it as unavoidable if we want to enjoy commercial content without needing completely non-standard garbageware like Silverlight or Flash. I have used Netflix with the Compholio Wine / Pipelight stuff, and while it works, it struggles to do so.

      Yeah, there is a slippery slope and lots of compromise - but I would have less reason to ever boot into Windows if my paid subscriptions to content that I enjoy could work natively under "Linux". And just don't ask me to stop watching movies or playing 3xA game titles, because I won't.

    12. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so, even though linux is now 'working', I couldn't actually care less. too little, too late.

      FTFY!

      Damn it, people! It's not that hard...

    13. Re:Why is by VTBlue · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Linux user calling tech support...that's rich.

    14. Re:Why is by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it is browser based, is it really THAT hard to "support"?

      Yes. I have actually done phone support, and you would not believe how dumb some people are. Many will call for support before they even turn their computer on. They want someone to babysit them through the entire process before they even try to do it themselves. The only way to deal with these people cost effectively, is to hire a bunch of Indians or Filipinos, and have them walk the users through a canned script. Once you start throwing in additional variables, and Linux has a lot of variables, then the complexity of the script increases exponentially. Pretty soon, you end up having to hire expensive tech support people that are actually capable of thinking and troubleshooting. Why should Netflix do that for an extra 1% in sales?

    15. Re: Why is by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Which raises another question. Can you make Chromium work with Netflix?

      I'm a firefox guy personally. I use pipelight and it works quite well.

      I use it as well but it has a habbit of getting the audio stream out of synce with the video and tends to misbehave with multiple monitors. I will have to try this on chrome and see if it works better.

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    16. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If it is browser based, is it really THAT hard to "support"? Just wondering.

      Hi, I have 20 programs I didn't tell you about mucking around with this oddball system nobody you know has a copy of. Can you troubleshoot this obscure problem with my unsupported system? Also, I plan to complain a lot but I won't actually answer any of your questions. Thanks and bye!

      You might think I'm kidding but...

    17. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They obiously don't need every customer they could have, meaning there is no competition?
      Like MS has been in PC fot 20 years, FB in social media. They have control?

    18. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, Weird Al.

    19. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've started to differentiate two notions of "support" in the past year or so. One of them, the most popular definition among users, is "it works on my system". The other is what the developers mean: "we'll answer your email regarding your predicament". If it works it doesn't mean that it's also supported. It just means you're one lucky guy. You may be 10 billion lucky guys, but if the developer doesn't want to support your lucky install, expect borkage with each new release.

    20. Re:Why is by tepples · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      In practice, "I could care less" means "I could hardly care less".

    21. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't care less about your failure to grasp what they said

    22. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've given up on them then support someone else's work that doesn't use DRM. Don't use TPB and justify it to yourself because it was inconvienent.

      When you've actually worked your ass off on a film these "lol just gonna watch it anyway and not pay u!" posts are fucking infuriating. Nothing is forcing you to watch the film I worked on.

      How about I use your GPL code in my product and not release the changes? That's copyright infringement too but somehow its unethical now?

    23. Re:Why is by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Funny

      To the same kind of people who consider a lottery ticket an investment.

    24. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pipelight... now there's a well guarded secret... I like it just by reading its documentation already.

    25. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you've given up on them then support someone else's work that doesn't use DRM. Don't use TPB and justify it to yourself because it was inconvienent.

      Choice 1: Download the film. Result: You watch the film, and the authors don't get any money.
      Choice 2: Don't watch the film at all. Result: You don't watch the film, and the authors still don't get any money.

      Yeah, real rational there. Can't stand that people are enjoying 'your' data without shelling out some money?

      That's copyright infringement too but somehow its unethical now?

      There's no such thing as absolute morality. Copyright itself (yes, even the GPL) is just a bad concept.

    26. Re:Why is by Garrynz · · Score: 2

      David Mitchell rant about "could care less" explains it better than I could https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    27. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Access to culture is a human right. Next you will argue that we need to get rid of child labor laws.

    28. Re: Why is by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Can you make Chromium work with Netflix?

      Unlikely, unless you do a pipelight-style solution. The HTML5 support won't work because the CDM is only part of the closed source Chrome builds.

    29. Re:Why is by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Because no matter how strongly they state that a configuration is not supported, if it's not expressly blocked, people will try to get technical support for it. And with the distro landscape as it is, supporting mainstream software on "Linux" is a nightmare.

      It might be simpler than that.

      Up till now there hasn't been a browser that would identify as Linux and run Netflix (unless the Wine/Silverlight combo did so).

      So if a browser identifies as coming from Linux it's a surefire guarantee it won't work, so rather than trying to run and throwing up an obscure but unfixable error it's better to simply tell the user to give up right at the start.

      Now there's a Chrome beta where Netflix can run on Linux, maybe when the beta is released they'll start official Linux support, but I wouldn't draw too much from their long term plans based on the fact that they block a formerly unrunnable configuration.

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    30. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      man netflix

      No manual entry for netflix

      HELP!

    31. Re:Why is by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      I've started to think of it as
      - I could actually care less if I really tried.

      This small addendum makes my stress levels lower.
      Stupid people are taking over the world; me getting het up about their poor grammar seems likely to make me one of them.

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    32. Re: Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Troll

      Yes, it is. Ripping someone off who tried to be fair to you is unethical. Ripping someone off who tried to rip you off isn't.

      You might see the difference.

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    33. Re:Why is by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Informative

      He also was CEO of Pure Software. The guys who did the Purify malloc debugging tool for UNIX. Being in the board of directors does not mean much.

    34. Re:Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, I've heard Linux users calling tech support all sort of things. Most of them not suitable for polite conversation, but still...

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    35. Re:Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Linux isn't really more hackable. Having access to its open source only makes it more legal.

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    36. Re:Why is by Shoten · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "due to Netflix arbitrarily blocking the Linux build"

      i.e., generating a valid page based on detection of a Linux-based USER-AGENT from the browser, to save the user from trying to troubleshoot what has been, until recently, a problem that the user could not fix. Hardly sinister.

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    37. Re:Why is by JSG · · Score: 1

      In Gentoo you get three versions of Chrome - stable, beta, unstable. My wife's Arch running laptop has Chrome although to be fair I did have to add it from the community package source which seems to be pretty obligatory anyway.

      Pretty sure Ubuntu and Mint have it available. I doubt very much that Debian, with its legendarily large repo of stuff can't manage a major browser.

      If you can install Linux there's a fair chance you can get Chrome to run on it.

    38. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In practice, "I could care less" means "I could hardly care less".

      That's reasonable, which in practice means that it's stupid!

      Though in this case the original phrase was "I could actually care less". Surely if people start inserting the word actually we should be allowed to take a sentence at its literal meaning rather than the exact opposite.

    39. Re: Why is by MatthiasF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on the circumstances, doesn't it?

      In these cases, the issue is a want (consume content) and not a need (consume food/water/air). So, you are ripping someone else off because you want what they have but do not need it.

      And in those circumstances, you are the one being unethical. Only when you have a need that someone acts unfairly to address it, does ethics start to play a role.

      Otherwise, you're just being inaccurate and melodramatic.

    40. Re: Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Troll

      I guess ethical is as much a matter of personal perception and preference as art is.

      Personally, I don't consider it unethical to rip someone off who tried to rip me off. I won't start that kind of game, but I sure know how to play and win it.

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    41. Re: Why is by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Rather than "actually" how about "I could theoretically care less"

    42. Re:Why is by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I could actually care less.

      That means you do care, at least a little.

    43. Re:Why is by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Either say "I don't care," or "I could not care less," or be prepared for a misunderstanding.

      Not caring would mean a care level of zero. "I could not care less" implies the impossibility of going below zero.

      To get over this endless debate, we just need to define "care" properly. To me, "care" is a positive thing with an obvious negative. Say you walk past a kid who is sitting there and crying. If you care, you ask them what's wrong and offer help. If you don't care, you keep walking. You can easily go below this zero level of caring, for example by beating them up or molesting them. Of course, some people may interpret this as a kind of caring -- i.e. taking interest. In this case, we would have to consider "care" as the absolute value, thus legitimizing the impossibility of going below zero.

      So far, the options are basically between a real number and a non-negative real. It's really (heh) as far as you can go, because e.g. complex numbers don't have the concept of less or more. Nevertheless, for another fancy insult you might as well say your care level for them is imaginary.

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    44. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "me getting het up about their poor grammar seems"

      What does the sentence above actually mean?

    45. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't care less because it couldn't be more obvious that people using the wrong expression couldn't be more clueless.

    46. Re: Why is by anmre · · Score: 1

      I see your point. However, assuming that you actually do use TPB or something similar (you didn't specify), do you re-seed what you've downloaded? Because if you don't, then you are actually putting the seeders (distributors) at greater risk of getting caught and prosecuted for copyright infringement than you are willing to take on yourself. You would be consuming without paying in any form whatsoever. That would be unethical.

    47. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      People who say "I could care less" are wrong and no amount of rationalization changes that. The saying is "I couldn't care less" As in the amount one cares is zero. And no, you can't go below zero, if you were to go negative that would imply that you do in fact care about whatever it is, even if rather than wanting it, you now want to avoid it.

      Not that I really care, I wasn't the one that started this thread, but it's ridiculous that people put so much effort into rationalizing something that is outright wrong.

      OTOH, if they mean that they could care less as in they care somewhat, that's a completely different matter. It's just in practice, I've never encountered anybody who intended to say that.

    48. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why they'd care. The service isn't for sale to them, now if the service were for sale and they did this anyways, that would be completely different. The question is why on earth people would get heated up because people who aren't being offered a service are refusing to do without.

    49. Re:Why is by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

      More likely the Netfix website code just assumes that any desktop Linux build is incompatible because that has historically always been the case. Now it isn't anymore perhaps it will version check Chrome on Linux and decide whenever the Netflix devs get around to it, though I can't see it being much of a priority to them however much I would like it to be.

    50. Re:Why is by fred911 · · Score: 1

      Reaching a "tech" that's not scripted on the first, second or third call is just as rare.

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    51. Re: Why is by qpqp · · Score: 1, Troll

      And in those circumstances, you are the one being unethical.

      Here's a universal truth for you (i.e. no matter what the marketing and law shills are telling you, this applies at the base level).
      There are three main categories of freeloaders:

      1. 1. Those, who'd like to pay but didn't find a way (i.e. unavailable on netflix/itunes/etc.)
      2. 2. Those, who'd like to pay but didn't find a convenient way (i.e. DRM issues, different platform, too much of a hassle to register, not accepting , etc.)
      3. 3. Those, who won't pay as a matter of principle (i.e. "all copyright is bad")

      In all three cases, chances are that the person consuming a media product has friends who will be willing to go to lengths to pay for a specific product and get a collector's edition, because the freeloader told them that the product is worth consuming.

      Also, most true (for common values of true) artists, could't possibly care less if someone paid for their work or not, as long as they get as much exposure as possible. And if you do care, go to your studio/distributor/manager and tell them you're upset that categories one and two don't have a possibility to pay for your work, and/or sue them for the difference in missed opportunities.

    52. Re: Why is by qpqp · · Score: 1

      Second category was supposed to say "not accepting " in brackets.

    53. Re:Why is by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix, was also on the Board of Directors for Microsoft from 2007 through 2012.

      So yes, they can.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Hastings

      So what's the theory for Netflix working fine on my PS4, Wii, Apple TV, iPhone, iPad, iMac, etc.?

      Christ, nobody cares that strongly about Linux. I mean... that's why there's no conspiracy to exclude it... I'm sure you love it, but damn.

    54. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In practice, "I could care less" means "I could hardly care less".

      Not in my experience. I've only ever heard & seen it used by people who cluelessly used "COULD care less" in a context where they clearly meant "could NOT care less".

    55. Re: Why is by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
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    56. Re: Why is by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      What about those who don't pay simply because they don't want or have to?

      I'd be tempted to put them higher up the list than some of your three.

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    57. Re: Why is by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      Artists who don't need to eat I suppose.

    58. Re:Why is by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also think "I could care less" is dumb. I just wanted to point out how zero is not always the lower limit, because obviously this is an important topic to many a Slashdotter.

      Frankly, if you mean "I don't care", then by all means say so, there's no need to put it in any fancier terms. Especially when you get it wrong, which is what frequently occurs whilst endeavouring to overliteralize, perchance even hypercorrect matters.

      Of course, if you actually say "I don't care about $x", there's still a non-zero level of caring. If you genuinely don't care, you won't even think about it, you just walk away.

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    59. Re: Why is by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      .Ripping someone off who tried to rip you off isn't.

      Well, there's a difference between charging more than you're willing to pay and "ripping you off".

      I've given this issue a great deal of thought. I'm something of an expert on ethics having spent a large part of my life diligently trying to eliminate ethical considerations from my behavior, and then the past few decades carefully adding them back in.

      Regarding the downloading of professionally produced media without permission: My rule of thumb is how readily I could actually pay for it. For example, since I'm not willing to engage any of the cable or direct TV vendors, because they are evil companies that suck, I find it impossible to watch certain things that are produced by cable stations. In many cases, they don't have any mechanism for paying for a TV show that I would like to see besides buying cable, which I refuse to do on ethical grounds. I've got nothing against the writers and artists and producers who make these shows, and would love to give them my money, but they've made it impossible by partnering with cable companies and satellite companies. So, in this case, eztv is my friend.

      I have a similar relationship with the popular movies. I could either see them in a theater, which I don't do because I hate being around other people who are not related to my by blood or marriage (and in some cases not even them) or I again I'm faced with the cable conundrum. So, it's TPB in the case that I don't want to wait for something to hit Netflix.

      But music, I pay for. Since there's nothing mainstream that interests me, it's relatively easy to download the music from a torrent site, and (I'm serious) then send the artist a check for $5, which I figure is about how much they'd be making on the download. In some cases, if the music is really great, I'll send a tenner (and have even gone $20 on occasion. It's really easy to find the artist's management, and you'd be surprised how often the checks get cashed, which is cool. I have cancelled checks from some very interesting artists, which I collect.

      I have a policy on books, but it's too complicated to go into right now and it smells like dinner's almost ready.

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    60. Re:Why is by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, return type is boolean, not floating point.

    61. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, entertainment industry, but I gave up on you. for decades (quite a few of them) I helped fund your overpriced shite. that has now ended.

      Entitled much?

    62. Re: Why is by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      If you've given up on them then support someone else's work that doesn't use DRM. Don't use TPB and justify it to yourself because it was inconvienent.

      They are stealing our rights to privacy and free speech, so he is "stealing" a movie. You are right in that it is not a fair trade... But shooting them presents other problems.

    63. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WORD CRIME

    64. Re: Why is by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I use it as well but it has a habbit of getting the audio stream out of synce with the video

      Oh good. I thought I was just using pipelight wrong.

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    65. Re:Why is by the_gadfly · · Score: 1

      Yes. I have actually done phone support, and you would not believe how dumb some people are. Many will call for support before they even turn their computer on. They want someone to babysit them through the entire process before they even try to do it themselves.

      Yeah, because no one is more likely to call tech support to learn how to turn the computer on than a Linux user.

    66. Re:Why is by rthille · · Score: 1

      I _could_ care less, but I don't care enough to try to not care that hard :-)

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    67. Re:Why is by ChrisTaylor2904 · · Score: 1
      Getting het up means getting annoyed or irritated. So the phrase becomes : Me getting annoyed about their poor grammar seems likely to make me one of them.

      Alternative version : If I get annoyed about their poor grammar, I am likely to become one of them.

    68. Re:Why is by CrankyFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He's really not. Right now, for example, he mostly works on a Chromebook. At least that's what he's usually on when I see him working in the kitchen*.

      (I work at Netflix)

      * Reed doesn't have an office / cubicle / set location, so he tends to work either in a common area or in a random conference room until you kick him out because you reserved the room

    69. Re: Why is by qpqp · · Score: 1

      No, just Artists. You know, the ones that have an urge to produce a work of art regardless of pay. For some recent examples, you can just look at the millions of FLOSS developers.

    70. Re:Why is by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      Do you feel you're exempt from having to pay for the work others have done? We can get real philosophical and shit about whether copying data is tantamount to stealing it, but there certainly can't be any argument to the point that if you don't purchase a DVD or download you're not paying the people who are asking to be paid for their work. People like you are why companies feel the need for restrictive DRM. You feel the product is overpriced so you won't pay for it, but that doesn't mean you should than be able to partake in that product's benefits, right? I think this is the biggest problem for software devs like myself who feel that our work entitles us to payment OR you don't have a right to use my software. I don't think that's unfair.

    71. Re: Why is by qpqp · · Score: 1

      I still have faith in humanity, so I'd put them in the first and second categories and assume that they are a minority.
      Also, I'll assume that these cheapskates don't have enough income to distribute for all their consumption habits, so again, make it convenient enough (e.g. watch now pay later, pay as much as you can, etc.) or available for a flat fee and they'll pay.

    72. Re:Why is by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      They could pick a Distro or maybe two. They could support Suse and Ubuntu and let that be it. If anyone wanted to watch Netflix on linux they could use one of those or figure out their own support.

    73. Re:Why is by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      My theory is they consider Linux users to all be hackers and they're sure that we'll find a way to destroy their DRM if they allow a Linux client.

    74. Re:Why is by countach74 · · Score: 1

      +1. wish I had mod points.

    75. Re:Why is by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I think "I could care less" is wrong, but I always thought it was supposed to be "As if I could care less"

    76. Re:Why is by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Yes. I have actually done phone support, and you would not believe how dumb some people are. Many will call for support before they even turn their computer on. They want someone to babysit them through the entire process before they even try to do it themselves.

      Come on, those kinds of people don't run Linux at all. The Linux problem is pretty much the exact opposite, you've got a bunch of dangerously knowledgeable users who've all tweaked their setup and expect all their special little snowflakes to be supported even though it's not.

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    77. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have just enough care to say how much more I could care less.

    78. Re:Why is by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      To get over this endless debate, we just need to define "care" properly.

      That is correct, but it is not the definition that you used. From the dictionary:

      care (noun) 1. a state of mind in which one is troubled; worry, anxiety, or concern: He was never free from care.

      By using this definition, it is not possible to go negative.

    79. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, in practice, "I could care less" means "I'm a fucking imbecile".

    80. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could actually care less

      So exactly how much less could you actually care then?
        I know somebody who didn't watch that weird Al video.

    81. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > People who say "I could care less" are wrong and no amount of rationalization changes that.

      You should check out Steven Pinker's The Language Instinct, particularly the chapter on "language mavens," in which he writes:

      “Consider an alleged atrocity committed by today’s youth: the expression I could care less. The teenagers are trying to express disdain, the adults note, in which case they should be saying I couldn’t care less. If they could care less than they do, that means that they really do care, the opposite of what they are trying to say. But if these dudes would stop ragging on teenagers and scope out the construction, they would see that their argument is bogus. Listen to how the two versions are pronounced. The melodies and stresses are completely different, and for a good reason. The second version [I could care less] is not illogical, it’s sarcastic. The point of sarcasm is that by making an assertion that is manifestly false or accompanied by ostentatiously mannered intonation, one deliberately implies the opposite. A good paraphrase is, 'Oh, yeah, as if there was something in the world that I care less about.'”

      I'm not saying I agree with his assessment (I think he's papering over an obvious error with a flimsy rationalization) but you should be aware that at least one Ph.D. linguist from M.I.T. disagrees with you.

    82. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must be a joy to have at parties.

      Do you go to Rolling Stones concerts and shout, "it's can't get ANY satisfaction!!" ?

    83. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha ha. I love seeing you get owned. By a Netflix employee no less. Fuck you, Larry. You're the douche, idiot, and troll.

    84. Re:Why is by MurukeshM · · Score: 2

      Chrome itself isn't available in the repositories of Debian or Ubuntu. Chromium is. Mint may have it. The usual way is to get the deb file from Google, which adds a source entry for Google's repos.

    85. Re: Why is by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

      I would hypothesize that, by preventing access from Linux users in such an easily defeated way, they shield themselves from legal responsibilities for proper functioning of the service on the multitude of Linux configurations out there, while still making it easy for the knowledgeable Linux user to pay their monthly fees and "make it work" on their own if they so desire. Which, really, is a win for everyone in the current environment.

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    86. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Which is technically correct, otherwise he wouldn't have bothered commenting about it.

    87. Re: Why is by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      NERD RAGE!!

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    88. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >So exactly how much less could you actually care then?

      He's not certain. He cares so little that bothering to calculate it would be too much effort wasted on the thought. So many people always tell me how important something is, that it's so important they couldn't care less (I assume they'll die if they spend a moment not caring?), and then explain they actually don't care. So very odd this language, isn't it?

    89. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with the distro landscape as it is, supporting mainstream software on "Linux" is a nightmare.
      Clearly you haven't a clue. I have had at least two hard disks in my computer for more than 15 years, running different flavours of Linux. One drive is small, holds the operating system and all system programs/libraries associated with it. The other drive is much larger, and holds my data, home directory, email, etc., plus programs that I use on my data (email, word processor, graphics, games, etc.). I have used many distributions on that first drive, and they *all without fail* work on the second. Supporting mainstream software on 'Linux' is a dream. Heck, even when I was in university, I had to write a client/server application for a networks class. Of five 100 line programs (one server, four clients), there were only two lines that were changed in the server program for the program to run not just on any Linux distribution, but also on any SunOS or Solaris version (and I said so when I turned in the source program, and got bonus marks from the prof. for making the program cross platform). Its not that hard to do this with Linux. Microsoft can't get 'desktop apps' to run on 'windows phone' (in spite of that being a goal for their new CXO), but a common version of Linux runs on tiny embedded microcontrollers, my network router, my desktop, and 95% of the 500 fastest supercomputers in the world. That 'multi-distro incompatibility' crap is a boldfaced lie.

    90. Re:Why is by bjwest · · Score: 1

      My theory is they consider Linux users to all be hackers and they're sure that we'll find a way to destroy their DRM if they allow a Linux client.

      If I (and I'm sure 99.9% of Linux users) really wanted a DRM free copy of something I watch on NetFlix, I'd not go through the trouble of de-DRMing it myself, I'd just download the damn thing form the many places it's already DRM free. I pay a premium for NetFlix with two DVD/Blue Ray disks and unlimited streaming. Id' like be able to watch steaming on my Linux computer. Same goes for Amazon Prime. All the crap you have available for streaming is already available at a multitude of places. You aren't preventing shit from getting lose.

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    91. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a sentence.

    92. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my cost is that of a VPN and that's it. and so, I'm 'there' until things drastically change, and I don't see that happening even in my lifetime.

      so, even though linux is now 'working', I could actually care less. too little, too late.

      You'll be glad to know that Popcorn Time includes a free VPN and runs on Linux then.

    93. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In practice, "I could care less" means "I could hardly care less".

      Bullshit. American's get the phrase wrong. Stop making excuses and try educating those with this misunderstanding. The reason is due to Americans not enunciating properly, the "t" sound is crushed to a "d" more often than not. So the couldn't care ends up as couldd care. People with limited education continue that in writing. It's the same thing with UK English where people incorrectly use "of" instead of "have" for could've, would've, should've.

    94. Re:Why is by grahammm · · Score: 1

      True,. If you distribute a Linux binary then as long as the user is running the same library .so versions as it was linked with, chances are that it will run with no problems irrespective of the distribution.

    95. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider Pink Floyd's "The Wall."

      "We don't need no education."

      Apparently, you do.

    96. Re:Why is by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      "Could care less" is like Mick singing "I CAN get no satisfaction".

    97. Re: Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually I do not. Mostly 'cause the crap released today ain't even worth spending bandwidth, let alone money.

      But I do see your argument and yes, I'd agree.

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    98. Re:Why is by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      Not really, as people who obsess over correctness tend to be idiots trying to gain acceptance among others of their kind.

      When used without sarcasm it is also called "synecdoche", and it's part of the reason why the word for "step" is not the word for "no" in French, why various words that had the exact opposite meaning in English at their earliest record.

      Moreover dropping parts strengthens the assertion, another common feature in English.

      The basic feature, though, is the statement is psychologically understood, and understood almost universally--wan[na] :)~ know the opinion of people in China recently?

      This is like all the fuddy duddies screaming "don't start with a conjunction" in my ears--then having funny citing Shakespear, Milton, the Bible...and everyone else; or "don't end with a preposition..."; or nowadays even dumber statements like forbidding the semi-colon.

      The immigrants I know who speak 6 languages including English--one nearing the "I'm a UN translator" phase after self-teaching English at age 8 (having come here as a refugee granted asylum and escaped not only the ethnic cleansing that Clinton's bombing was meant to stop but also Clinton's bombing in Eastern Europe) though she already spoke 3 other languages (and nowadays I don't ask the number anymore) always becomes breathless at the bullshit asserted by the older generations in the US.

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    99. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to balance on don't give a fuck which falls between love it and hate it and both requires you to care.

    100. Re:Why is by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I could care less. But not much less.

    101. Re: Why is by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      That's an oversimplification of what is happening.

      Take a TV series that I decide to download instead of watching on TV. If it was on TV I would have DVRed it anyway and skipped the ads. Is not watching the adverts unethical or immoral? Few people pay close attention to them.

      I download Game of Thrones. To watch it on TV I'd have to buy an expensive cable/satellite TV package for one show, so sorry but it isn't worth that much to me. HBO isn't available in my country so even though I had paid an excessive amount I'd still have to skip the adverts on the crappy channel that shows it here. I could wait and get the BluRay, but I don't rent media on principal and the option to buy isn't available as all formats it is released on are licences with DRM. So, either they get exactly nothing from me, or I pirate the show and spend some money on merchandise and the physical books. My interest spurs others to become interested too. There is also the added benefit to society in general that I watch GoT related stuff on YouTube, thus creating gainful employment for the people who make them.

      I'd also point out that there is actually a need, just a small one, for me to see GoT. They rely a lot on viral marketing and creating a buzz. A lot of my friends and work colleagues like to talk about it on a Friday at lunch time when we go to the pub. If I want to participate I need to be watching it. I used to have this problem at school a lot - we only had basic over-the-air TV so all the other kids were watching music channels I had no access to, and I felt excluded because I couldn't be part of the conversation. If your aim is mass market appeal and social/viral advertising, you bare some responsibility for making your work available at a reasonable price.

      I recently bought Daft Punk's Random Access Memories on CD. Didn't rush out and buy it at full price. Is it unethical to wait for the price to fall? What about buying it second hand? Lending it to a friend? What if the friend then buys their own copy?

      The issue is complex and it isn't a simple matter of right or wrong. There is fault on both sides.

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    102. Re:Why is by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Linux isn't really more hackable. Having access to its open source only makes it more legal.

      The only way you could be sitting there claiming that having the source doesn't make hacking easier is if you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever. With closed source, you have to either reverse-engineer another program which does what you want or you have to hope that someone has documented what you know about, and they probably haven't if we're talking about Windows. With FoSS, you go read the source. How is that not easier?

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    103. Re: Why is by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      then send the artist a check for $5, which I figure is about how much they'd be making on the download.

      It's about 5x as much as they make on a CD sale, maybe 20x as much as on a download.

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    104. Re:Why is by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In practice, "I could care less" means "I could hardly care less".

      In practice, "I could care less" makes someone look like an idiot to someone else who actually thinks about what words mean before they use them. The saying was "I couldn't care less" but contractions['re] hard okay?

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    105. Re:Why is by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Not caring would mean a care level of zero.

      Yes. And when you couldn't care less, you don't care.

      "I could not care less" implies the impossibility of going below zero.

      No. No it does not. It can only mean that if you completely ignore the meaning of the word care, which you are doing in an attempt to make your argument valid. You can never do that. You are plainly and simply wrong. Go back and study the meaning of the word "care" until you understand why.

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    106. Re:Why is by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you actually say "I don't care about $x", there's still a non-zero level of caring. If you genuinely don't care, you won't even think about it, you just walk away.

      That begs the question, if you genuinely don't care, will you just walk away? And the answer is only if you are an asshole, because otherwise you will probably take the time to involve the other party to the extent that you will inform them that you do not, in fact, care.

      Of course, we already know you're an asshole, because you're trying to redefine a perfectly functional English word to make yourself correct. But you don't get a prize for being correct on Slashdot, all you get is satisfaction. And your satisfaction is for total bullshit.

      I genuinely care about you very, very little. But I care enough about Slashdot to tell you precisely what kind of bullshit you're spewing.

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    107. Re:Why is by Kiwikwi · · Score: 1

      That begs the question, [...]

      I see what you did there. Let's take it one at a time, thanks. ;-)

    108. Re:Why is by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      With closed source, you have to either reverse-engineer another program which does what you want or you have to hope that someone has documented what you know about, and they probably haven't if we're talking about Windows.

      Interfaces are very well documented in Windows world. Sure, you can't hack the core OS, but if you want to create anything on top of it (drivers, applications) it's actually a very hackable environment.

    109. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lottery ticket IS an investment. I know it's all edgy to dis people who buy them, but lets not get too far away from fact here. A lottery ticket is not a "good" investment. It is EXTREMELY high risk, but it is also extremely high gain. That is an investment no matter how you look at it, just not a prudent one.

    110. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Delves into 'admin' realm, but ever suddenly have to take over a web store and have to get PCI Compliance up and running and past the compliance scan, with the shite documentation that's out there? And within a finite timeframe as your second job?

      Scan score not below 3? Sorry! You fail. Try again tomorrow! As I said. Delves into 'admin' realm, and though I'm a heavy linux user, and fairly adept to figuring things out, some times it's easier to ask for help if you're under a deadline. I guess I'm not so arrogant as to think I know everything. Especially when it comes to Linux and security.

    111. Re:Why is by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It's certainly true in my case. I'm an asshole and proud of it. Being an asshole means giving out shit instead of taking it. Most of my friends are assholes too. My policy with people like Netflix is simple, I don't give them my money. I can tell they don't care as their policies show that up front. Not caring about customers always bites you in the end if you're not a monopoly like Microsoft.

    112. Re:Why is by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Interfaces are very well documented in Windows world. Sure, you can't hack the core OS, but if you want to create anything on top of it (drivers, applications) it's actually a very hackable environment.

      And Microsoft has lied in that documentation in the past, giving themselves and chosen partners an unfair, one might even say anticompetitive advantage. Thanks, but fuck that.

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    113. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, leave them kids alone!

    114. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a linux user call in for tech support for internet. I told him it wasn't supported, but we could give it a try. He agreed.

      Me: Please open a terminal.
      Client: What's a terminal?
      Me: Thank you for calling , have a nice day.

    115. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I have actually done phone support, and you would not believe how dumb some people are. Many will call for support before they even turn their computer on. They want someone to babysit them through the entire process before they even try to do it themselves. The only way to deal with these people cost effectively, is to hire a bunch of Indians or Filipinos, and have them walk the users through a canned script. Once you start throwing in additional variables, and Linux has a lot of variables, then the complexity of the script increases exponentially. Pretty soon, you end up having to hire expensive tech support people that are actually capable of thinking and troubleshooting. Why should Netflix do that for an extra 1% in sales?

      What? I've actually called phone support and you would not believe how dumb some people are. They will tell me to reboot my computer when the lights on my modem show no signal. I spent almost two hours on the phone going through an entire script and I kept saying, telling her there is a new phone cable siting on the grass in my back yard. But no, she's stuck on some stupid Linux script. That must be my problem. Two hours to get them to send someone out and reconnect the wire someone forgot to connect. Hire some fucking tech support people with a brain.

    116. Re:Why is by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      Yes. I have actually done phone support, and you would not believe how dumb some people are. Many will call for support before they even turn their computer on. They want someone to babysit them through the entire process before they even try to do it themselves.

      Come on, those kinds of people don't run Linux at all. The Linux problem is pretty much the exact opposite, you've got a bunch of dangerously knowledgeable users who've all tweaked their setup and expect all their special little snowflakes to be supported even though it's not.

      I got someone a few weeks ago running Linux who didn't even know what distro they had. Their brother had set the machine up for them.
      We figured out they were using Ubuntu. This is an Internet tech support outfit and I was the second person to talk to them. We found the networking on the machine was disabled. Re-enabling restored the connection.

      Sub says they had tried that with the last person they'd talked to before me a couple days ago, and it would just go back to being disabled after it tried enabling for a few seconds. The issue they were having had magically resolved itself.

      I have my mom running Linux now, too. She would be smart enough to know it's Linux Mint, but she wouldn't be able to do much else.

      Linux is gaining usage from people with older hardware that was running XP before support ended who don't want to or can't afford to upgrade. These people are generally not computer savvy, and a platform that is more secure and less virus-prone than Windows is a good fit if they spend the vast majority of their computing time on a web browser.

    117. Re:Why is by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Hire some fucking tech support people with a brain.

      Your should re-read what ShanghaiBill said. The issue isn't just Linux-related.
      When a large number of your calls are people who have few computer skills, your support costs balloon.

      You can either hire a large number of unskilled people to read scripts, which causes YOUR specific issues with support, or you hire competent people to troubleshoot, who don't come cheap, and now you have to raise the cost of your service to cover the additional support payroll -- which makes people leave you for the other provider with lower prices (that is staffing their support desk with script readers).

      It's another version of "race to the bottom", and it's being perpetuated in part by people who do not have computer training and are unwilling to seek (or at least pay for) on their own. So they offload it to the free tech support they get with their Internet service provider.

    118. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you don't seem to get "I could care less" is sarcasm, plain and simple.

    119. Re:Why is by Arker · · Score: 0

      His point only stands up if the utterance indeed had the sarcastic intonation. Intonation being absent in written word, his point fails completely.

      Yes it's *possible* to say that sarcastically, but no I have never heard anyone actually do it. They are just dropping a word from a cliche that has been worn so slick by the passage of time their tongues cannot adhere.

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    120. Re: Why is by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Artificial scarcity is inherently immoral in the first place. I'm not lazy nor am I greedy, I contribute as much as I can to the common wealth, and a little more than most. Therefore, I feel no guilt when I ignore artificial scarcity rules and enjoy things that are naturally abundant.

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    121. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I don't consider it unethical to rip someone off who tried to rip me off.

      But "someone who tried to rip you off" is just your opinion, I could say you tried to rip me off regardless of your actions and then morally and ethically justify ripping you off. Preventing that sort of shit is the very reason we have a legal system to operate in society, if you feel you are being "ripped off" then either don't do business with that person or prove that you have been "ripped off" and take legal action.

      Society just breaks down if you start saying "well you tried to wrong me so that gives me the right to wrong you regardless of the laws that govern society". The problem with that attitude is that you want what they have but you want it on your terms and because you are not entitled to it on your terms you stamp your feet and find some way to justify taking it on your own terms anyway.

    122. Re: Why is by exomondo · · Score: 1

      But do you do that with physical goods too? Or only digital ones where there is a high chance you can get away with it?

    123. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's certainly true in my case. I'm an asshole and proud of it.

      So all you produce is shit and you're proud of that.

    124. Re:Why is by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Ex-Microsoft people, always causing trouble to their new companies to benefit their old company.

      How does that shit get modded up? After all while Netflix support Microsoft they also support Microsoft's biggest competitors: Sony (Playstation), Apple (OS X and iOS), Nintendo (Wii), Google (Chromebooks and even Android to a degree). The fact that they don't support "Linux" (even though they do support Linux in the form of Chromebooks and Android) hardly seems to be some Microsoft-centric conspiracy now does it?

    125. Re:Why is by binarylarry · · Score: 0

      Haha still +2 asshole.

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    126. Re: Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that the very justice system that should keep our society from falling apart is part of its downfall. A justice system must first and foremost reflect the collective will of the people it supposedly represents. Because that's the only way it can justify its authority unless it accepts that its main function is NOT to represent the general sentiment of "what is right". In a democratic society, that should be its function, though.

      If laws do not represent anymore what the society governed by them wants, vigilantism follows quickly.

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    127. Re:Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Thanks for reinforcing my prejudices against "supporters" who can't do shit but read from their crib sheet.

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    128. Re: Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Guess someone wasn't watching and gave a MAFIAA shill mod points this time... well, anyway.

      I'd even go a step further. I took a long and good look into the matter (majoring in statistics has its upsides, too, you can sometimes pick what you want to shed light on with it). Now, this was admittedly a long while ago (about 15 years), but generally there are 5 kinds of content users:

      1. Those that simply buy. If they can't buy, they'll abstain. This is usually an older demographic, which may of course by now no longer be 100% accurate (though you can safely assume that this group is still the strongest in the 50+ crowd).
      2. Those that buy but are opportunistic downloaders if they can't buy. Back then this group was very strongly represented by the anime enthusiasts. My interpretation was that the anime fan community was pretty close back then and that they exchanged info on how to access content that simply was not available. There was also a strong correlation with the next group.
      3. People who WOULD buy, but what they want can't be gotten in the way they need/want it. Here the aforementioned anime watchers often cited atrocious dubbing and superior fan-subbing as the main reason to abstain from buying imports. First I wanted to lump them together with group 2, but there is a small but important distinction: Group 2 would buy "bad" imports, group 3 is more quality oriented and less inclined to accept inferior quality when higher quality is available for download. In return, this group would sooner buy a DVD than accept a mediocre screener.
      4. That was the "in spite" group. Interestingly the largest one, though my assumption had to be that for some this was mostly an excuse not to be in the last group. This group cited DRM as its main reason not to buy, some arguing that it takes away convenience, while others simply had a "stick it to the man" attitude to it, where they copied it exactly BECAUSE it was supposedly not copyable, claiming that they buy media that are not DRM "infected".
      5. And finally those that will not buy content and will copy content no matter what. If it can't be copied, they simply don't want it.

      In the end, of course some copying was financially motivated. No doubt about that. But it ain't as easy as the content industry wants to paint it. There was more than a few interviews where the interview partner did have a "legal" copy of the content and still participated in copying it because the form, quality, dubbing or other aspects of the legal copy did not please him. I did get the impression if the content was available in the form he would have preferred, he would not resort to copying.

      What it all comes down to is probably that you will not keep the die hard "gotta have them all" hunter-gatherers from copying. But a lot of "casual" copying could be eliminated by simply giving the customer what they want. They're willing to pay for content they want. They just don't want to buy what they don't want. Which is hopefully understandable.

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    129. Re: Why is by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, there's no way to get money out of them, so why bother trying?

      That's what I don't get about the whole DRM business. Those that I want to hit with it, I can't hit. No DRM worked. Ever. Nothing ever conceived to keep people from copying and distributing content ever managed to put even a dent into it. Also these people won't buy. They wait for the DRM to be broken and then they'll copy.

      OTOH, the only ones that suffer from DRM are those that buy something legally. Where's the sense in that?

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    130. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets add some fuel to this fire. The "correct" phrase is "I couldn't care less", which started as a British saying. Somehow stateside the abbreviated "not" portion got stripped. Once it became "I could care less" it became nonsensicle, sense it implies that there is some small amount of caring there.

      Source:
      dictionary.com
      Grammar Girl

    131. Re:Why is by armahillo · · Score: 1

      Netflix is Washington based. Microsoft is in Washington. IIRC, Reed Hastings served on the Microsoft board until 2012.

    132. Re:Why is by armahillo · · Score: 1

      Linux tech support == internet searching / asking the audience

    133. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ex-Microsoft people, always causing trouble to their new companies to benefit their old company. See also: Stephen Elop.

      That's not 'causing trouble', that's tearing all the flesh off the other company and feeding it to the clan. And then kick the pile of bones.

    134. Re:Why is by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      I stick with Netflix because I like the series they produce. House of Cards was awesome, and Hemlock Grove is creepy in its own right. So I'll keep it. But I've long complained to Netflix what a flaming piece of excrement Silverlight was.

    135. Re: Why is by Talderas · · Score: 1

      NERD RAGE!!

      I find this response to be quite tacky.

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    136. Re:Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just perhaps there are still a few bugs to iron out for Linux, and they don't want to inundate their support with the millions of Linux-in-the-set top box users already.

    137. Re:Why is by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      People who say "I could care less" are wrong and no amount of rationalization changes that.

      I'm sure I could care less about this argument, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how.

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    138. Re:Why is by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Better than eating it.

    139. Re: Why is by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      A justice system must first and foremost reflect the collective will of the people it supposedly represents.

      I wouldn't be so sure about that. For one, our justice system is supposed to protect the rights of all, including the minority position. Whether it's gay people getting harassed, black people being discriminated against, or copyright holders finding their works distributed, justice is supposed to apply equally.

      No, I'm not trying to equate all those situations (geez, racism, gay-bashing, copying music aren't all the same), just saying that there are situations where the justice system does not represent the "Will of the majority." And it shouldn't, because sometimes the majority is indifferent to rights of a minority, even when the majority enjoys those rights.

      That being said, in every similar situation I tried to think of, the justice systems found ways to screw over the minority regardless. Laws that were unconstitutional, refusal to prosecute members of the majority who committed crimes against the minority, biased juries unwilling to follow the law. Justice sure ain't perfect.

    140. Re:Why is by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      * Reed doesn't have an office / cubicle / set location, so he tends to work either in a common area or in a random conference room until you kick him out because you reserved the room

      So he's Netflix-homeless?

    141. Re:Why is by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      +2 asshole would be a fantastic moderation option.

    142. Re: Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is actually a need, just a small one, for me to see GoT...A lot of my friends and work colleagues like to talk about it on a Friday at lunch time when we go to the pub. If I want to participate I need to be watching it.

      That's a funny definition of "need" you have there.

      It's like the pinnacle of consumerism.

  2. not for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix Now Works On Linux

    After they discover people are doing this (thanks slashdot!) it isn't going to be working for much longer.

    1. Re:not for long... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      And how do you plan to stop it?

      The problem is, whatever answer you get from a remote machine that is not entirely under your control depends on what that remote machine wants to tell you, not on what it should tell you in your opinion.

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    2. Re:not for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a closed source DRM blob. They can do whatever they want.

    3. Re:not for long... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that has stopped those pesky game crackers dead in their tracks. So it sure will work on movies!

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  3. How long before a Firefox solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody know? They have been talking about their own HTML5 video encryption for a while, for this to suddenly be a Chrome thing.

    1. Re:How long before a Firefox solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can track it here.

  4. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    How do I remove the DRM, save it as mkv and upload it to TPB?

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do I remove the DRM, save it as mkv and upload it to TPB?

      Why bother? It's already there.

    2. Re:So... by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right click on video player, "Save video as...", then when the Save dialog comes up, where it says "File type" switch from ".drm" to ".mp4".

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    3. Re:So... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      And if your computer is too old to play MPEG-4 video files, simply change the extension to ".mpg"

  5. Wake Me Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake me up when it's the Year of the Linux Desktop and I don't have to care about such twaddle and it Just Works.

    1. Re:Wake Me Up by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Desktop is over. Everything is now tablet, and a few years ago was "The Year Of Linux On The Tablet," or Android anyway...
      (Slight sarcasm alert)

    2. Re:Wake Me Up by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Desktop is over. Everything is now tablet, and a few years ago was "The Year Of Linux On The Tablet," or Android anyway...

      Yeah, the headline is misleading - Netflix has been working on linux for several years. Now there will be an X11 app that it will work with too.

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      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  6. Why is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the comments on the thread, it doesn't seem to work for a large number of people (myself included). It's possible that they're whitelisting builds they've tested and know work rather than blacklisting Linux.

  7. hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could it maybe be because there are 100+ too many damn distros to deal with compared to lets say XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 all win32 compatible. It would be nice if the linux community concentrated on 1 - 3 distros and put their energy into creating better applications. But if it's true that Netflix somehow is blocking linux from running their service it is pretty damn shameful since netflix relies on linux, bsd servers and also linux based devices like roku to get their netflix services into many homes. Find a way to ban netflix from linux that will teach them.

    But, netflix streaming monthly releases have been getting pretty damn bad anyway especially for the u.s region. For example, SG1 is in fact licensed by netflix but only available in UK, Denmark, Chile, etc... Because the greedy asshole copyright owners want to milk u.s(bigger market) as much as they can in dvd sales and in syndication, well it is their right anyway, but they are still assholes.

    1. Re:hum by allo · · Score: 0

      No, because you change the UA and it works. So why should it be a problem for them?

      I guess the reason is, there are good screen records for linux, which can make lossless copies.

    2. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could it be that simpletons require there to be only one or two of something? It would be nice if the linux wanna-be-users concentrated on learning just 1 base skillset so they could use any distro required without bitching.

      Perhaps being able to get exactly what I want is more important than helping someone learn distro-specific garbage when they refuse to learn base-linux first. I don't *want* a one sized fits all linux. Like cars some people like bland-boring-ness and others prefer flashy-but-crappy.... personally I prefer normal-looking-sleepers that don't attract attention yet run with supercars....

      Linux is like a car. Not a toaster. Most toasters are the same, cars not so much. Refusing to learn base unix is like refusing to learn basic driving skills and instead saying "Oh I only want to learn how to drive one brand of car.". When someone asks you to loan them your car you gotta say "No man I can only drive Nissan(redhat) and you have a Ford(suse), even though they are basic cars (unix) I decided to only learn one of them. I wish Nissan and Ford would just make one exact model and have no variety."

      Do you realize how dumb it sounds now?

    3. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody wants to record Netflix. There is no need to record it. If you want to watch it again, you can just stream it again. If you really need something for offline use, you can just get it from TPB or something. I wouldn't bother recording anything from Netflix.

  8. great news! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    This is great news! Now I can refurb laptops that have HDMI but are generally not so fast and had XP or Vista with Ubuntu and sell them as netflix devices. I've had a lot of requests for $50-100 netflix devices that can surf the web. They're cheaper than the price difference on non-smart and smart TVs and they're a hell of a lot more upgradeable. What I find most surprising is that Chrome runs on Linux. I had no idea!

    1. Re:great news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People will be really grateful that you sell them old laptops as Netflix devices.

      And then reality will set in and they will realize that they need a remote to control it meaning an additional cost and that a laptop looks stupid next to a TV. In the end, you better recommend them to buy an Apple TV, a Roku or something similar.

    2. Re:great news! by bjwest · · Score: 1

      This is great news! Now I can refurb laptops that have HDMI but are generally not so fast and had XP or Vista with Ubuntu and sell them as netflix devices.

      Yea, but don't go with any of the *bunto dists. It's not working on 14.10a2 AFAIK.

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    3. Re:great news! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Or you could just recommend they upgrade their DVD player to a blu-ray player so they don't have "yet another box" on the entertainment center since will have the capabilities of both.

  9. Works for Chromium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know if this works for Chromium, the open source offshoot of Chrome? What about the latest official Ubuntu repo installation? Mint?

  10. Another blow for freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The hollowing out of Linux and free software continues. Not only do corporations use it to build walled gardens (Google, Apple), now they're building a tunnel of anti-freedom into its core. Will anything be left of free software soon other than "open source" exploited by corporations?

    1. Re:Another blow for freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Freedom is about choice, options, and you don't have to install the DRM.

  11. Hack by Meneth · · Score: 1

    So, how long until this DRM module is hacked to let you save uncrypted copies?

    1. Re:Hack by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Probably two days ago.

  12. Now with 100% equal DRM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So instead of using ugly, proprietary, client restricted, DRM infected players like Silverlight, we can NOW use an ugly, proprietary, DRM infected client like Chrome (now with %100 more Datamining and user tracking than the leading web browser).

    Its not really a win for 'nix users when we could have just implemented DRM in Moonlight if we had wanted it (and which also came down to licensing issues). So what? Is Google going to open source their HTML5 streaming DRM and make it option for the distros which don't want it? [read: nearly all of them]

    The take away will be 'see, Linux users didn't adopt the HTML5 that they wanted so badly. Guess they just don't matter after all.'

  13. Raspberry PI by Xiver · · Score: 1

    I wish Netflix or Amazon Prime ran on my Raspbmc setup.

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    20: GOTO 10
  14. working in Debian Sid VM by jtotheh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was able to get this working using the instructions in the original post - with the following changes:

    I first tried with Debian stable. The google-chrome-unstable deb installs OK, but I couldn't get the video to play.
    I saw posts that it might work with sid. So I cooked up a sid vm.
    My default NAT network was disabled, I found some instructions to re-enable it.
    Once I had a sid vm, I found that there was no sound. I set it to ac97 in virt-manager but ended up abandoning virt-manager and using this command line
    sudo qemu-system-x86_64 /var/lib/libvirt/images/siddy.img -cpu kvm64,+nx -enable-kvm -m 1536 -soundhw hda -usb

    Once I had sound and networking going, I installed the google-chrome-unstable deb in the VM. Then I found the user-agent extension and installed that. I created a user-agent using EXACTLY the string given in the original post...

    And now I'm watching a netflix movie.

    Right now I have the chrome in the VM displaying to a Xephyr window in the host environment, will be interested to see if there is a better way.

    And it's true we should not have to do crap like this to use our netflix accounts!

    1. Re:working in Debian Sid VM by ignavus · · Score: 1

      And it's true we should not have to do crap like this to use our netflix accounts!

      Now, try doing that outside the US, where you are also blocked because of location, not just OS.

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    2. Re:working in Debian Sid VM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And it's true we should not have to do crap like this to use our netflix accounts!"

      No problem. I don't pay for movies, never had a Netflix account, and will "pirate" whatever I want with zero fucks given.

      Our lords and masters do not care about us, so absent credible threat of punishment I'll do what I please including copying their products.

      Netflix hate you, so vote with your wallet or absence thereof. "Morality" under capitalism is a one-way street, a lie to keep serfs in submission. Abandon all respect
      for the masters and understand that while you can't win, you can do better if you abandon all respect for them and are delighted to rip them off whenever practical.

    3. Re:working in Debian Sid VM by armahillo · · Score: 1

      Grab the netflix-desktop package from the compholio PPA. Until the Chrome hack becomes easier to use, this is still the most reliable way I've found to watch it, sans-VM http://www.compholio.com/netfl...

  15. Support your OS - at what cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming the current hack via User-Agent switcher doesn't work in the long run.
    (Well, it may or it may not.)

    What if NetFlix demanded you to add them to your repositories in order to support your OS?
    (Note that I speak Debian.)

    Would you then be willing to pay them for their media services?

  16. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a big Linux guy, but I gave in and threw Windows on my HTPC. The idea was to integrate XBMC and Netflix in one box, and Windows felt it was the best to do that despite my disinterest in running Windows. Well, I did, and it was terrible. I just found Netflix even on Windows to be terrible. My cursor would never disappear and I had an odd amount of screen tearing that I couldn't seem to figure out. While other browsers offered slightly different behavior, none were problem free. Out of curiosity I fired up Netflix on a few other Windows systems with different hardware configurations and I still found my Netflix experience to be a far cry from how seamless it felt on my Chromecast. Ultimately I went back to a dedicated Ubuntu HTPC with XBMC and the Chromecast for Netflix/the occasional YouTube video.

    Moral of the story is, Netflix just felt better on an appliance built to run it. I would far rather run Netflix on an Android set top box, Chromecast, Roku, Apple TV, etc before I'd bother with the Windows solution again on a full computer. I'm sure others have different experiences, but I'm simply sharing mine. Netflix on an appliance is undoubtedly a better solution than Netflix on Windows, which makes me that much less interested in seeing Netflix work on Linux. I'll just run an appliance for that and move on with life. It doesn't replace my frustration with Netflix ignoring Linux, but ehh, whatever.

    1. Re:meh by yoda-dono · · Score: 1

      You might want to give this a try; in my limited usage over the weekend, this HTML5 method feels a lot smoother than Silverlight ever did under Windows 7. Not saying it will replace a Netflix "appliance", but you still might be pleasantly surprised.

  17. Can we stop fighting about Netflix and Linux and D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and instead talk about what the hell is going on syntactically in that summary?

  18. Happens ALL the time by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work for an engineering college at a big research university. As such, lots of computers, some of them Linux. Despite the smug assurances you may see online that Linux users don't need support, nothing could be further from the truth. Some people who choose to use Linux at work do it because they've a lot of experience with it, and aren't much trouble. However many more do it either because:

    1) They have a tool that only runs on Linux, or more accurately that they can only figure out how to make run on Linux. It is usually something cobbled together by a researcher at another university for Ubuntu and only compiles easily on that. If you knew what you were doing you could modify it for something else, but they don't. They usually end up needing a moderate amount of support.

    2) They have the idea that Linux is the "l33t professional" OS and it's what you need to use if you want to be a serious computer user, so they want it. No thought goes in to it, they have no experience with it, no understanding, they figure it'll just be easy. These kinds need a ton of support.

    A few examples:

    --A grad student said she needed Linux on the computer she had bought and configured (without consulting IT). All the software she wanted run on Windows and out Linux guy even told her she'd be better off with Windows. Nope, had to have Linux. We got a continual stream of tickets when she couldn't figure things out, had problems with the AMD driver and so on, and he finally told her "Let us install Windows or go away."

    --A professor who bought a system and FPGA card, again without consulting us, and then said he needed Linux. This was after his grad student tried and failed to install it, hosing the system in the process. We put Linux on, and then it turns out neither he nor his grad student have any idea how to make the FPGA card work. It has no programming, you have to do it from scratch. They also don't know how to use Linux to the point they whined about "not having admin" on the Linux install which they had full control on, they just couldn't work out sudo.

    --A couple of grad students that insisted a new server needed to be Linux "for best performance". This was during a time when we didn't have a Linux guy (we are a small team, and our last one had left we were in the process of hiring the current one) so I looked in to it, and found the lead and recommended platform was Windows. I talked to the professor about it and she said go ahead with Windows, they grad students could deal, since support would be easier on Windows. Got the server up and running, first thing they wanted? Two programs that are Windows only and were mandatory to what they were doing. Had we given them Linux, we would have been reinstalling the server right away because it literally couldn't run the software they needed.

    The flipside of Linux seeing increasing use is that there are plenty of clueless Linux users. They don't go in to Linux saying "I really enjoy computers and learning about them, I want to learn all about this OS, how it works, how to support it, how to modify it, etc." Rather they go in saying "Oh Linux is free!" or "Oh Linux is what hackers use!" and have no idea what the fuck they are doing, and need help.

    1. Re:Happens ALL the time by VTBlue · · Score: 1

      I work for an engineering college at a big research university. As such, lots of computers, some of them Linux. Despite the smug assurances you may see online that Linux users don't need support, nothing could be further from the truth. Some people who choose to use Linux at work do it because they've a lot of experience with it, and aren't much trouble. However many more do it either because:

      1) They have a tool that only runs on Linux, or more accurately that they can only figure out how to make run on Linux. It is usually something cobbled together by a researcher at another university for Ubuntu and only compiles easily on that. If you knew what you were doing you could modify it for something else, but they don't. They usually end up needing a moderate amount of support.

      2) They have the idea that Linux is the "l33t professional" OS and it's what you need to use if you want to be a serious computer user, so they want it. No thought goes in to it, they have no experience with it, no understanding, they figure it'll just be easy. These kinds need a ton of support.

      A few examples:

      --A grad student said she needed Linux on the computer she had bought and configured (without consulting IT). All the software she wanted run on Windows and out Linux guy even told her she'd be better off with Windows. Nope, had to have Linux. We got a continual stream of tickets when she couldn't figure things out, had problems with the AMD driver and so on, and he finally told her "Let us install Windows or go away."

      --A professor who bought a system and FPGA card, again without consulting us, and then said he needed Linux. This was after his grad student tried and failed to install it, hosing the system in the process. We put Linux on, and then it turns out neither he nor his grad student have any idea how to make the FPGA card work. It has no programming, you have to do it from scratch. They also don't know how to use Linux to the point they whined about "not having admin" on the Linux install which they had full control on, they just couldn't work out sudo.

      --A couple of grad students that insisted a new server needed to be Linux "for best performance". This was during a time when we didn't have a Linux guy (we are a small team, and our last one had left we were in the process of hiring the current one) so I looked in to it, and found the lead and recommended platform was Windows. I talked to the professor about it and she said go ahead with Windows, they grad students could deal, since support would be easier on Windows. Got the server up and running, first thing they wanted? Two programs that are Windows only and were mandatory to what they were doing. Had we given them Linux, we would have been reinstalling the server right away because it literally couldn't run the software they needed.

      The flipside of Linux seeing increasing use is that there are plenty of clueless Linux users. They don't go in to Linux saying "I really enjoy computers and learning about them, I want to learn all about this OS, how it works, how to support it, how to modify it, etc." Rather they go in saying "Oh Linux is free!" or "Oh Linux is what hackers use!" and have no idea what the fuck they are doing, and need help.

      I suppose I'm too late to append /sarcasm to my posting...but hey thanks for playing! You put in a big effort A+

  19. That's why Steam is so specific. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    You find that for Windows and OS-X, support is pretty broad. Stated as things like "Windows XP, Vista, 7 or 8" and pretty lax hardware allowances. However when you look at games for Linux they are things like "SteamOS" or "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Steam OS" and sometimes specific hardware that is supported.

    Why is that? Compatibility issues. They aren't going to go and support every varied Linux distro out there. They've found a couple that work (and the same thing really, SteamOS descends from Ubutnu LTS) and that's what they are going to support. Doesn't mean it won't necessarily work on other stuff, but they aren't going to take any calls on it.

    You see it in enterprise software too. The engineering programs we have tend to have a couple extremely specific enterprise Linux distros they support and that's it. Call them running anything else, they'll tell you to go away.

    Linux users just have to accept this as one of the costs of openness. If you have an OS that anyone can fork, anyone can redsign, anyone can do their own things, well then support will get limited to chosen configurations. The more complex the software and its interactions with the OS, the more limited the configurations that will be supported.

  20. One word: Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lookie, Netflix. Keep all your DRM crap to yourself and... choke on it.

    If I ever had the *need* of some of that (I'm so far fine without, thankyouverymuch), I'd go to a torrent. Way better customer service there.

  21. But then I'd have to install and use Chrome by uniquegeek · · Score: 1

    That's no good. *Gack*

  22. Too evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deleted Chrome.

  23. Netflix on Linux Chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article cites V37 (or V38beta) but the download page gives you V36 (at least on my 64 bit Ubuntu) and IT DOESN'T WORK.

  24. Fuck This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just canceled my Netflix account and uninstalled Chrome. Say no to DRM in HTML5.

  25. Sub unity ROI by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's not a quality investment if the expected ROI is less than unity. The risk of default is too great. High yield bonds have to promise high yield to make up for the risk of default. Lottery fails to meet even that.

  26. Plex Support??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean that Plex support for Netflix is returning?

  27. Facts Labeled as Troll by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Shillmod, or butthurt? Inquiring minds think you need to put down the Kool-Aid.

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  28. so.... by LduN · · Score: 1

    SO it works in Linux as long as it doesn't detect that you are running Linux... yay logic