But just because Preventing some is not worthless doesn't mean that it is worth "it", it being the price we pay in freedom. That as far as I read was the GGGP's point.
Meanwhile, the very action of turning on their lights and pulling the miscreant over slows down the traffic in the non-HOV lanes, leading to a back-up.
Meh, I think the real solution to _that_ is having police cars mounted with big flashing boards saying "Nothing to see here. Move along..."
I think the USC only applies to (i.e. "protects" in this context) all people under US jurisdiction. Otherwise, the US government would be _legally_mandated_ to attack Iraq, North Korea, and wherever else people's rights as defined in the BoR are being infringed upon.
I don't think that your opinion and my opinion on China differ that much, I just think that there is a lot of propaganda and exaggeration going on in the US about what is happening in China, and people should try to find the real information instead of parroting what they read in newspapers.
I agree. But propaganda and exaggeration can go both ways. I for one actually appreciate Americans like you paying attention to this and sharing your experiences. What I do have some problems with is when you share it without qualifying it, and sounding very authoritative with words like "I lived in China, so I know".
Also, I don't think that the actions of the US are any better. Being able to say certain things in public is nice, with the first amendment and all, but the country is still responsible for millions of deaths through decades of unjust foreign intervention. Can you honestly say that the US is somehow more moral and just than China?
Yes, I can. The US government never persecuted, slaughtered, starved, or otherwise abused _its_own_ people - in the millions. I won't even try to be apologetic for the atrocities the US have committed, but that's not the point at discussion here - which is about the freedom of the people.
You see, you Americans have enjoyed freedom and liberty for so long, that you are taking them for granted. Any time your rights are even bordering on being infringed, you scream "tyranny!" and can't wait to assert that "the US is sinking to the same level as countries like China". Well, let me tell you this, you haven't seen what a real tyranny is like. And to equate the US and China in this regard is really doing both peoples a disservice, IMO.
Just because you have a nice place to live and a job and live peacefully in your little corner of the US, doesn't mean people haven't suffered to prop up your lifestyle.
Yes, I realize that. But again that's hardly the point here, is it? I shouldn't have to attach a disclaimer that "I realize there are people suffering in the US too and in the rest of the world caused the US" to the end of every of my posts talking about China, now do I?
You seem pretty aggressive and rude for a topic you know nothing about. ...
I've LIVED here for almost 3 years, and you've apparently read some propaganda spoon fed to your robotic mind. Who knows what is going on here?
LOL (I am). I was born in China, and lived there for 25 years before moving to the US. My family and relatives still live there.
Seriously, your pathetic 3 years spent there as a foreigner enjoying all the explicit/implicit privileges coming with that can't really be called "living there", let alone going all uppercase.
The link I referenced was found by googling 5 minutes before posting my reply yesterday. Thank you for pointing out that it is from a Mainland source, and that it is dead now - WANT TO VENTURE A GUESS AS TO WHY? (I'm honestly LOL again. It's really hard to get more ironic than this.)
The topics you listed are widely discussed in public here. What you can't do is talk about them on national TV or publish a newspaper article on them.
or post about them on an Internet forum, or go to the Tiananmen Square and start a protest on them, or even just try to apply to do that?
And you call that "in public"?
There are some real assholes on Slashdot....
I may have been rude. That's because I find it extremely insulting to the Chinese people for foreigners like you to run their mouth and to assert that "it's not that bad" after having spent a little time in China as a mere tourist/expat.
No, sir, you don't know China. And to tell the world that the Chinese people are actually enjoying the freedom that they for most part aren't? That is what real assholes do.
You can pretty much speak about anything you want here in public, as long as it doesn't cover a few hot-button topics.
"A few hot-button topics" such as the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, the freedom to migrate within the country, etc.?
I tell you what, why don't you sell all your properties in the US, give up your US citizenship, and become a PRC citizen, and _then_ come back and tell us it's "very exaggerated."
You can take photos and video anywhere.
If you can read Chinese, read this news about how family members were prevented, by the police with physical violence, from taking pictures of the dead body of the father who died overnight in the city jail: http://news.tom.com/1006/4820/2005524-2156520.html
If you can't, well, just shut up and quit pretending that you know what's going on in China.
"Would have" not "would of" by the way.... I've never understood why coders of all people are slack with their grammar. You guys wouldn't tolerate it in the code you write...
Actually I'm not so sure about that. I have come to realize that a programmer with lots of spelling/grammar errors is very unlikely to produce high quality code either. Maybe it's because there is something in common between writing in a natural language and coding in a programming language - and in doing many other things also, for that matter - and that is the ability/willingness to tend to the details.
Need an example? Go and read Linus Torvalds' posting to the kernel/git mailing lists.
I don't know which Amnesty International report you are referring to, but I would be immensely surprised if there wasn't a big "but..." following up, precisely to "give a fair and balanced overall picture". I don't see that in your statement, which wasn't qualified or backed by any references whatsoever, and would be immensely misleading.
The sad thing is though, that while the average chinese has become steadily more and more free lately...
No, that's only what the Chinese government wants to/tries to make the Chinese people believe. And that is TOTALCRAP.
The real sad thing is, somebody like you, who presumably lives in a free country, would believe in the Chinese government's crap, yet consider themselves cute enough to scream "you Americans need to wake up!"
So, since this conclusion is so definitive I'd love to see the long term economic growth studies that back up this assertion.
Just RTFA, or just RTF Summary. The lack of IP protection in China has led to severely underdeveloped movie/music industries. From my personal experience, I'd also add the software industry to that list.
From what I know of basic economic growth trends, innovation tends to push economic growth, while imitation and improvement of current concepts tends to broaden an economic base making for a more stable economy in the long run. How is stable growth going to hurt in the long-run?
Logic, logic, logic. We are not debating whether stable growth hurts the economy or not, because stable growth is only one of the possible consequences. The (near) stalemate in terms of innovation is another, which in the long-run hurts more than the temporary growth from the imitation.
Not sure who you are trying to argue against with the rest of your post on GDP. I started my previous post by saying that I didn't think GDP is the same as the entire economy, which is to say, I am on your side as far as this is concerned. 8-)
Note that increasing the GDP by 10% per year is quite different from growing the economy. Even if we could afford to ignore the difference, the point of discussion here is that little or no IP protection in China is curbing the innovation, which may actually give the economy a short-term boost, because of all the GDP produced by the imitators, yet on the other hand, it will definitely hurt in the long-term.
I don't think you really understood what GP meant by "...Beijing tap water (you wouldn't want to drink it)". Never lived in Beijing for more than a week, have you?
I don't have time to read or respond to your babbling (yes, it's still just babbling) except for saying these:
1. You are babbling because you are simply filtering facts and only use those that support the conclusion you have arrived even before looking at any of the facts.
2. I'm not a Republican. I'm against the Iraqi war as much as the next guy. I was enraged by the Libby commuting as much as the next guy, but what enrages me even more is radicals like you who refuse to reason, because, believe it or not, YOU... ARE... NOT... HELPING.... You are pushing people in the middle away. And those are the votes that count when it gets to actually changing things (or even _trying_ to).
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But just because Preventing some is not worthless doesn't mean that it is worth "it", it being the price we pay in freedom. That as far as I read was the GGGP's point.
Think you'll be able to? //shake head. You must be new here...
Well, next time you get arrested in a mall for forgetting to bring your driver's license with you, think again who's being the real prick here.
Why should some of them still be paying taxes, then? I thought "taxation without representation" was considered a tyranny?
I think the USC only applies to (i.e. "protects" in this context) all people under US jurisdiction. Otherwise, the US government would be _legally_mandated_ to attack Iraq, North Korea, and wherever else people's rights as defined in the BoR are being infringed upon.
You see, you Americans have enjoyed freedom and liberty for so long, that you are taking them for granted. Any time your rights are even bordering on being infringed, you scream "tyranny!" and can't wait to assert that "the US is sinking to the same level as countries like China". Well, let me tell you this, you haven't seen what a real tyranny is like. And to equate the US and China in this regard is really doing both peoples a disservice, IMO.
Yes, I realize that. But again that's hardly the point here, is it? I shouldn't have to attach a disclaimer that "I realize there are people suffering in the US too and in the rest of the world caused the US" to the end of every of my posts talking about China, now do I?Seriously, your pathetic 3 years spent there as a foreigner enjoying all the explicit/implicit privileges coming with that can't really be called "living there", let alone going all uppercase.
The link I referenced was found by googling 5 minutes before posting my reply yesterday. Thank you for pointing out that it is from a Mainland source, and that it is dead now - WANT TO VENTURE A GUESS AS TO WHY? (I'm honestly LOL again. It's really hard to get more ironic than this.)
or post about them on an Internet forum, or go to the Tiananmen Square and start a protest on them, or even just try to apply to do that?And you call that "in public"?
I may have been rude. That's because I find it extremely insulting to the Chinese people for foreigners like you to run their mouth and to assert that "it's not that bad" after having spent a little time in China as a mere tourist/expat.No, sir, you don't know China. And to tell the world that the Chinese people are actually enjoying the freedom that they for most part aren't? That is what real assholes do.
"A few hot-button topics" such as the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, the freedom to migrate within the country, etc.?
I tell you what, why don't you sell all your properties in the US, give up your US citizenship, and become a PRC citizen, and _then_ come back and tell us it's "very exaggerated."
If you can read Chinese, read this news about how family members were prevented, by the police with physical violence, from taking pictures of the dead body of the father who died overnight in the city jail: http://news.tom.com/1006/4820/2005524-2156520.html
If you can't, well, just shut up and quit pretending that you know what's going on in China.
Actually I'm not so sure about that. I have come to realize that a programmer with lots of spelling/grammar errors is very unlikely to produce high quality code either. Maybe it's because there is something in common between writing in a natural language and coding in a programming language - and in doing many other things also, for that matter - and that is the ability/willingness to tend to the details.
Need an example? Go and read Linus Torvalds' posting to the kernel/git mailing lists.
Wrong.
I, for one, welcome our new self-proclaimed creator overlords!
I don't know which Amnesty International report you are referring to, but I would be immensely surprised if there wasn't a big "but..." following up, precisely to "give a fair and balanced overall picture". I don't see that in your statement, which wasn't qualified or backed by any references whatsoever, and would be immensely misleading.
No, that's only what the Chinese government wants to/tries to make the Chinese people believe. And that is TOTAL CRAP.
The real sad thing is, somebody like you, who presumably lives in a free country, would believe in the Chinese government's crap, yet consider themselves cute enough to scream "you Americans need to wake up!"
I for one welcome our new overlords of... void?
That means some human being had some cracked _ribs_ there, you insensitive clod!
And evidently leaving your proofreading cap home. 8-)
Not sure who you are trying to argue against with the rest of your post on GDP. I started my previous post by saying that I didn't think GDP is the same as the entire economy, which is to say, I am on your side as far as this is concerned. 8-)
Note that increasing the GDP by 10% per year is quite different from growing the economy. Even if we could afford to ignore the difference, the point of discussion here is that little or no IP protection in China is curbing the innovation, which may actually give the economy a short-term boost, because of all the GDP produced by the imitators, yet on the other hand, it will definitely hurt in the long-term.
I don't think you really understood what GP meant by "...Beijing tap water (you wouldn't want to drink it)". Never lived in Beijing for more than a week, have you?
You insensitive
1. You are babbling because you are simply filtering facts and only use those that support the conclusion you have arrived even before looking at any of the facts.
2. I'm not a Republican. I'm against the Iraqi war as much as the next guy. I was enraged by the Libby commuting as much as the next guy, but what enrages me even more is radicals like you who refuse to reason, because, believe it or not, YOU... ARE... NOT... HELPING.... You are pushing people in the middle away. And those are the votes that count when it gets to actually changing things (or even _trying_ to).