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Beijing Police To Launch Animated Web Patrols

Reader geoffrobinson notes an AP story on a new initiative by the police in Beijing to put a visible police presence on the screens of Chinese citizens. Starting Sept. 1, little animated cop figures will wander across the displays of users of a baker's dozen of Chinese Web portals. The program is set to expand by year's end to all sites "registered with Beijing servers," according to the report. The point of the anime-like figures seems to be to remind citizens that their Web usage is being monitored, not to actually implement any further monitoring themselves.

228 comments

  1. Sweet! by Spudtrooper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bonzi Buddy got a new job!

    1. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to admit that those cop figures look cute. It would be even more interesting if those cops were rendered in 3D and have special-designed uniforms on porn websites.

    2. Re:Sweet! by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Better yet, I think that if the user is using Tor, Chinese users should have something like this animated on the screen instead.

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    3. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are very cute, aren't they?
      ...
      There will be porn made out of this.

    4. Re:Sweet! by McLovin · · Score: 1
      Cops?

      Are they Topless? (.Y.)

      Do they need some beers?

  2. Oh no! by orionop · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is next, an animated goatse reminding us of the horrors that are to be found on the internet?

    1. Re:Oh no! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      God no. That image as a still is bad enough. I do NOT want to see it move.

    2. Re:Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, goatse IS from a video...

    3. Re:Oh no! by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Goatse's from a series of photographs. Tubgirl's from a video.

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    4. Re:Oh no! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      What is next, an animated goatse reminding us of the horrors that are to be found on the internet? Well, a fair number of Chinese web servers do have SQL server back-ends (pirated, of course). So there are indeed opportunities there... First we take Rochefort, than we take Beijing, hehe!
    5. Re:Oh no! by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Please, don't give anyone any ideas!

    6. Re:Oh no! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Funny

      Award 4 internets to this person.

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  3. Odd... by digitalhallucination · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I thought that they already figured out where in the world Carmen Sandiego was.

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    1. Re:Odd... by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

      "He said he was going somewhere he would need Euros"

      Damn you single trade currency!

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  4. So by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you google Tiananmen does a little animated tank come out and crush your cursor?

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    1. Re:So by Televiper2000 · · Score: 1

      Nah, I think Google just responds with no search results found and a link to "do you mean Kent State?"

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    2. Re:So by Phybersyk0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope. 404-Not Found.

      (Most Chinese people under 30 don't know about the Tianamen Square protests -- Those that do don't really hold the event in high regard, as the student protest leaders are rumored to have had passports/visa's and transportation to get out of the country after the protest was held.)

      Americans like the idea of revolution, but when it happens for real, good people die.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolut ion/) The Chinese government knows this, and freedoms will come, but it's going to take time. Generations. Not weeks.

    3. Re:So by RuBLed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Remember those ads where you need to shoot the rubber ducks and win a prize? I'm smelling a firefox addon going to be made by a pissed Chinese.

    4. Re:So by Stephen+Tennant · · Score: 1
      If you google Tiananmen does a little animated tank come out and crush your cursor?

      No, your cursor is thrown into a tiny animated prison, tortured with adorably rendered sharp implements, summarily executed ( :-D ), then harvested for its still quivering cute little cursor organs.

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    5. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh ha ha! Lets laugh about how the Chinese are having their human rights trampled. It is downright hilarious that Chinese military went in and massacred civilians! How could anybody not find it funny that the Chinese government sent in tanks against college students? Heck, we might as well laugh at the recent Chinese murder of refugees and nuns on the border who tried to escape their tyranny.

      And the fact that individual Chinese are censored? That is hilarious by itself, but the fact that the Chinese government is using cartoons to let you know that you live in an Orwellian society--ROTFLMAO!

      You'll have to excuse me, I've laughed as much as I can today. Tomorrow I am going to laugh about the massacres in Cambodia. Next week will start the Desaparecidos comedy hour. That massacre was the most hilarious of them all. They dropped drugged people to their deaths from helicopters over the ocean--sometimes entire families with their children.

    6. Re:So by vhold · · Score: 1

      Actually, humor can be a good tool to make poignant statements about situations that are difficult to touch.

      See Doonsebury's treatment of the war in Iraq.

    7. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got Haymarket Square, Jackson State and 1992 L.A. Damn Google!

    8. Re:So by SQL+Error · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Americans like the idea of revolution, but when it happens for real, good people die.
      Revolutionary's Handbook Tip #1: When you throw out the bad old system, try not to replace it with something worse.
    9. Re:So by schweinhund · · Score: 1

      What a weak apology for Chinese brutality. Generations? You're full of shit.

      Why don't you just say it'll take generations for the Chinese to keep lead out of toys, and generations for them to not put diethylene glycol into toothpaste? There's no ineffable mandate which precludes freedoms from being available in less than 20-40 years.

      The communist Chinese are waging an economic war of attrition with us on one front, and arming enemies of US forces on the other. They're trying to be sneaky, and as long as they're paying off both sides of the US government, they'll continue to succeed in doing so.

    10. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdotters Handbook Tip #1: When you make a comment that you probably think is quite clever, try to make sure it isn't obvious or platitudinous.

      Even when you're talking to people with the mental sophistication of very young children (slashdot) it can make you look stupid.

  5. These figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Were these made by the same people that brought you Clippy from Microsoft Word? I could swear they already have a police cop Office Assistant.

  6. And below the gifs, written in Chinese... by thej1nx · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "Nothing to see here. Move along".

  7. That would probably work by The_Fire_Horse · · Score: 0, Insightful

    many people have no idea about security and monitoring.

    Even in the US the average Joe wouldnt know if it was an animated charactor, or a real person spying on them through their webcam.

    Pretty lame though...

  8. The Internet is Dangerous by thesoffish · · Score: 1

    But I thought Internet Safety Month was in June?

  9. 1984 by martinelli · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Big Brother is Watching You

    1. Re:1984 by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shouldn't that be "Big Brother is watching Yu"?

    2. Re:1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is Big Brother watching you, he's giving you annoying pop-ups too.

    3. Re:1984 by physicsnick · · Score: 1

      Big Brother is Watching You No kidding. It's like the Chinese government read 1984 and thought "Holy shit, this society is awesome!"
    4. Re:1984 by baeksu · · Score: 1

      Depends on the romanization system you're using, obviously.

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    5. Re:1984 by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be "Big Brother is watching Yu"? Not in the United States.
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    6. Re:1984 by scottrocket · · Score: 1
      "Shouldn't that be "Big Brother is watching Yu"?"

      Sure-but if Big Brother is watching Yu first, Hu's on second? (groan...)

    7. Re:1984 by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      I vote for: "Big blothel is watching you".

      Or "I iz in your intarweb - keeping freedom out of your sitez"

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    8. Re:1984 by trawg · · Score: 1

      Are you in the US? Probably should take a look around some time :)

    9. Re:1984 by MoreDruid · · Score: 1

      no no no
      "Big Blothel is watching Yu" would be most correct. If you make fun of an ethnic group, at least make it ethnically correct...

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    10. Re:1984 by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be "Big Brother is watching Yu"? But it's the younger Chinese who are going online so it should be "Big Brother is watching J00"
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    11. Re:1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft Bob is watching you.

    12. Re:1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > > "Shouldn't that be "Big Brother is watching Yu"?"
      >Sure-but if Big Brother is watching Yu first, Hu's on second? (groan...)

      "I don't know!"
      "ALL YOUR BASE!"

    13. Re:1984 by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


        No, in this case you're watching Big Brother. Make a fool of it's collective self. On teh intarweb tube.

        How long until someone does a client-side browser hack that turns these figures into penguins?

      SB

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  10. A study I was a part of in college by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During college I took a SOC or PSYC class (I forget which) and as part of the class you were required to "volunteer" as a subject in a study on campus. The one I was part of was doing data entry and every so often a little head would appear in the top corner that was to signify that a "supervisor" was watching what you did.

    They wanted to see if your data entry slowed/sped up, if your errors increased/decreased, etc. While I don't know what the end result was, I was shown my results and found that when the "supervisor" was in the corner I was less attentive and my data entry slowed.

    What if a majority of students/researchers in China are working on their Internet (yes, their) and the "virtua-cop" fucks up their work? I can't imagine that this will do anything but be ridiculous and annoying.

    Waste your time on something else, seriously.

    1. Re:A study I was a part of in college by JonTurner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>every so often a little head would appear in the top corner that was to signify that a "supervisor" was watching...
      Fascinating study! I guess the Panopticon would cause people to just freak out. Maybe the pervasive monitoring in some societies (UK, Hong Kong) is both a symptom AND a cause of the very crime it's meant to monitor.

      >>What if a majority of students/researchers in China are working on their Internet (yes, their) and the "virtua-cop" fucks up their work?
      The short answer is: the officials don't care. Truly. Government is about control, not service, and it's certainly not measured by the results it gives. That's a very "western" viewpoint. And this government has a particularly nasty (and long) history of killing its own folks.

    2. Re:A study I was a part of in college by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

      It's about as useful as the little warnings in limewire that pop up to warn you not to download illegal content. someone will just find a way to block the little heads and the whole thing will be pointless.

    3. Re:A study I was a part of in college by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      What if a majority of students/researchers in China are working on their Internet (yes, their) and the "virtua-cop" fucks up their work?

      In China, the government values control over efficiency of its nation. Sorry, but nothing new here.

      Interesting research BTW. I'd love to read more about it.

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    4. Re:A study I was a part of in college by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      What if a majority of students/researchers in China are working on their Internet (yes, their) and the "virtua-cop" fucks up their work? I can't imagine that this will do anything but be ridiculous and annoying.

      In TFA this is mentioned as being part of various sites, like Sina.com. Not an independent program. So you'd see it only if you are browsing these portals.

      It doesn't mention the technology, but I'd bet it was just a Flash animation. There are plenty of other animated Flash ads to distract you online (and Chinese sites are even more obnoxious in that line than most). I'm sure it will be easy to block on your desktop, but not in an Internet cafe where you can't install blockers.

    5. Re:A study I was a part of in college by szap · · Score: 1

      a little head would appear in the top corner that was to signify that a "supervisor" was watching what you did. They wanted to see if your data entry slowed/sped up,...


      Testing Hawthorne Effect, I presume. The wikipedia page has interesting bits on when it. In a Management class in uni, the conclusion we were taught is the Hawthorne Effect causes productivity to increase when observed, but seems closer to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to me: productivity changes when directly observed or measured, but not always for the better.
    6. Re:A study I was a part of in college by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It doesn't mention the technology, but I'd bet it was just a Flash animation.

      I'd use Javascript, since that allows you to make the Virtual Oppressors walk all over the page rather than be constrained in a box. Or they could simply use a Sony-like rootkit to put a huge, partially translucent eye on top of everything else on the monitor.

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    7. Re:A study I was a part of in college by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Why would they need to use a Rootkit (that hides a directory and some processes) to display an eye on the screen?
      Sony-bashing's cool with me; I find much of their software and general behavior to be inappropriate too, but please keep it where it's appropriate. In this case we'd be talking about a government-sanctioned visible virus/program, not a rootkit.

    8. Re:A study I was a part of in college by mrogers · · Score: 1

      I guess the Panopticon would cause people to just freak out.
      I'm not sure... in the Panopticon you never know when you're being watched, so you internalise the assumption that you're "probably" being watched at any given moment and stop being conscious of it. I can see why constant reminders would freak people out though.

      Maybe the pervasive monitoring in some societies (UK, Hong Kong) is both a symptom AND a cause of the very crime it's meant to monitor.
      Interesting idea - constant visibility eventually undermines shame?
    9. Re:A study I was a part of in college by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Why would they need to use a Rootkit (that hides a directory and some processes) to display an eye on the screen?

      Because otherwise the user will shut it down pretty quickly. Or would you want a giant eye sitting in the middle of your screen, on top of everything ?

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    10. Re:A study I was a part of in college by bracktra · · Score: 1

      It appears to be true for red-light cameras. Accidents don't increase, but they may actually increase. What actually decreases accidents (and also profit for the governmental authority) are longer yellow light periods.

      One could argue that an increased yellow duration is actually an increased 'freedom', too. The drivers get more time to decide what action they will take with less threat of retribution from authority.

    11. Re:A study I was a part of in college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      >What if a majority of students/researchers in China are working on their Internet (yes, their) and the >"virtua-cop" fucks up their work?

      Then it will be a good thing that it happened there, instead of some decent, democratic country whose research actually matters.

    12. Re:A study I was a part of in college by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


        I would have put a post-it note or piece of tape over the part of the monitor where the head showed up.

      SB

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  11. Insert clippy joke here. by rabiddeity · · Score: 4, Funny

    You look like you're trying to access the Real Internet! Would you like me to:

    -block the sites you're trying to access
    -uninstall your proxy software
    -report you to the authorities for re-education
    -subtly rewrite your search results

    1. Re:Insert clippy joke here. by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      You forgot: -shoot you in the head for acting against the motherland and then charging your family for the bullet

    2. Re:Insert clippy joke here. by eealex · · Score: 1

      Does this "police" runs in Linux?? This just reminded me the story few days ago... http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/23/ 190238

    3. Re:Insert clippy joke here. by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Cancel or Allow?

  12. AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next on by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 0, Troll

    I am sure the NeoCons are drooling at a visual reminder "We are watching your every mouse click".
    They will have the "Terror level" displayed on a flag carried by a little goose-stepping Uncle Sam.

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  13. To be redundant by ccs.gott · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I am ashamed that a Government would shame itself by acting like the USA.

  14. I for one by Renig · · Score: 1, Funny

    welcome our animated police overlords.

  15. I saw one of these guys hanging around this site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
  16. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am sure the NeoCons are drooling at a visual reminder "We are watching your every mouse click".
    They will have the "Terror level" displayed on a flag carried by a little goose-stepping Uncle Sam.


    They're doing enough of that in the media. They'd rather let you pretend you are supporting the "land of the free" with some sense of false freedom feeling.

    Honestly, at least the Chinese know they're being watched at every step and don't have a government watching them closely but pretending they don't.

  17. Three avatars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    They got both a male and a female cop. And a police car.

    So to continue your analogy, perhaps we can have the goatse guy and the tub girl, and meatspin as the police cruiser.

  18. Paper Cut-Outs by biocute · · Score: 1

    I must admit that I do slow down sometimes when I see a paper cut-out on the side of a highway.

  19. Bad Link by johndiii · · Score: 4, Informative

    I assume that you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution. And it was not a revolution in the way that we normally understand it. From the article:

    It was launched by the Communist Party of China's Chairman, Mao Zedong on May 16, 1966, officially as a campaign to rid China of its "liberal bourgeoisie" elements and to continue revolutionary class struggle. It is widely recognized, however, as a method to regain control of the party after the disastrous Great Leap Forward led to a significant loss of Mao's power to rivals Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping, and would eventually manifest into waves of power struggles between rival factions both nationally and locally.

    Many people did die, but the net result was that some people who already had power got more, and some people that had power lost it (and frequently their lives).

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    1. Re:Bad Link by Phybersyk0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Many people did die, but the net result was that some people who already had power got more, and some people that had power lost it (and frequently their lives).

      I think you grossly understate things.

      I've personally met more than a handful people in China who simply refuse to discuss the Cultural Revolution in any detail at all. They wont even document their experience in writing. It's still too painful for them.

    2. Re:Bad Link by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not that it's painful as much as it's a giant black mark on Chinese history. The Chinese usually hate discussing ANYTHING that they/the government lost face on. An act that causes a loss of face (even if for a good reason) is something people disappear over in China.

    3. Re:Bad Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a look at the estates and fortunes of the power elite who control the chinese government, and then you'll know the meaning of bourgeoisie.

    4. Re:Bad Link by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We're learning about Chinese revolution from a really good History teacher at school at the moment (she wrote one of the text books for the course and is mentioned by Richard Pipes =P). Now we have only just finished the Great Leap Forward and started the Cultural Revolution, but from what I understand so far...

      The cultural revolution was another one of Mao's 'mad' policies in which he felt his *own* commanders and party officials, intellectual advisors, etc etc were becoming corrupt and to stop this, he called once again for a new revolution. Kinda contradictory to the 100 Flowers campaign (When he was asking intellectuals for criticism).

      Mao may have been an amazing revolutionary, but he failed as a leader...constantly trying to create a new radical revolution without any sort of knowledge on what he was on about. Like his "plant deep, plant close" policy in the GLF which even a child could say would not work...

      I think he just loved revolution - his policy of the Mass Line implemented, with the peasants rising up to kill someone...if you read Chung and Halliday, they'll describe him as someone who got a bloodlust for revolution during his implementation of the Mass Line in Jingxi.

      ~Jarik

    5. Re:Bad Link by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it is painful. Cause I remember the beijing police, beijing wikipedia blocks, beijing flickr blocks, beijing persercutions are preventing people from talking about it. These people cannot share their stories so long as the beijing communists are holding electric batons.

  20. ob. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one, welcome our new virtual anime motorcycling weblords!

    Err.. no I don't! This sounds annoying and creepy as hell.

  21. How annoying by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've voluntarily installed screenmate software before and typically it doesn't last past the day. I can't imagine there won't be plenty of programs written to turn them off.

    1. Re:How annoying by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I don't think this is the same thing. It's not something people are required to have installed on their machines, it's something running on the webserver and adding these images to the pages they serve. Unless all the images come from certain special servers, even adblock won't help.

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    2. Re:How annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not every web server could be controlled into doing this, foreign ones especially.
      However, surely the 'great firewall of china' could auto-insert them in the same way certain ISPs were mulling auto-inserting ads into web pages?

  22. xeyes by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Been built in to *nix for ages!

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    1. Re:xeyes by sanman2 · · Score: 1

      Beijing has spiritual police too.
      Tibetans now require state permission to reincarnate:

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20227400/site/newsweek /

      Good ol' PRC, always expanding the frontiers of policing.

  23. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by megaditto · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You are sure now, are you?

    Perhaps if you hate America so much, you could emigrate to China. Do a lecture circuit in China perhaps, about how the Imperialist freedoms suck and how Democracy oh-so-opressive; it'll be great! And if you are a female or have a spouse, remember to enquire about forced abortions on arrival (FREE while supplies last!).

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  24. Is it really funny? by Nymz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you google Tiananmen does a little animated tank come out and crush your cursor?
    I laughed at first too, because the whole idea seems pointless and annoying, as if we don't have enough unwanted pop-ups and such. But then I realize I'm free, so I can only imagine how creepy, and how sad it is to be reminded every half hour that you are so subjugated.
    1. Re:Is it really funny? by Spikeles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The biggest trick the government ever pulled was convincing the citizen that he was free

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    2. Re:Is it really funny? by fractoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The biggest trick the government ever pulled was convincing the citizen that he was free Go outside and yell "The government sucks!" three times, then post conspiracy theory crap everywhere. Did they suppress you? No?
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    3. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds eerily similar to "Satan's greatest achievement was convincing the world that he doesn't exist."

    4. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds eerily similar to "Satan's greatest achievement was convincing the world that he doesn't exist."


      No shit, Sherlock.

      Where's that "Well, DUH" moderation category when you need it?
    5. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not free. You are *more* politically free than the average person in China, but freedom ain't an "on/off" kind of thing, it's a "more/less" kind of thing.

      The sad thing is though, that while the average chinese has become steadily more and more free lately, the trend in USA has been the other way, you guys are significantly less *free* now than you where a decade or two ago.

      You require government-permission if you want to take pictures of a group of more than 2 people for over 20 minutes in Central Park, using a tripod. You are not allowed to talk about certain kinds of knowledge, like for example even that de-CSS exist. Your government maintains it can legitimately keep people imprisoned indefinitely while giving same neither the rigths of a POV nor the rigths of a criminal. You cannot bring something as trivial as a can of coke with you on a plane. You have to walk trough metal-detectors and accept answering questioning to be allowed to enter public buildings. You're not allowed to take apart objects that you own to figure out how they work. (not generally anyway) and if you *do* figure out how they work, sharing that knowledge with others may be a crime. You've been falling steadily on "freedom-of-press" rankings for the last decade, you used to be near the top, these days you're under average for a western democracy. "Free speech zones" (no comment needed)

      USA is still in pretty good shape, certainly miles ahead of countries like china. But you're on the wrong track. You need to wake up.

    6. Re:Is it really funny? by Spikeles · · Score: 1

      You are free right up until you become "not-free". It's the illusion of freedom that most people have. There have been many many cases where people have thought they had the freedom to do something only to have it taken away when the government(or it's departments) decide they can. Sure you can shout things like that, but i guess those people protesting against George Bush who got herded into protest pens had the "freedom" to shout too.. As long as it was along way away from him. The difference as you said, you weren't suppressed, but in some countries(ie China) the government is honest and proactive about their restrictive policies whereas others are more lax and selective about what they enforce. Never forget though, they can and WILL enforce it if they want, and as Dennis Leary once said.. There ain't a god damn thing anybody can do about it.

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    7. Re:Is it really funny? by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then I realize I'm free, so I can only imagine how creepy, and how sad it is to be reminded every half hour that you are so subjugated.

      You need not worry; by all available evidence, the Chinese government is doing its level best to keep its citizens from being reminded of the Tiananmen massacre.

      As for you, you won't be free until the last libertarian is strangled with the entrails of the last fascist. As long as we keep on letting ideology of any kind to guide our political or economic decisions, the end result will always be the same: the real world won't conform to the theory, so it gets hammered there by force, since the other choice is admitting that the theory was wrong.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    8. Re:Is it really funny? by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      but freedom ain't an "on/off" kind of thing, it's a "more/less" kind of thing. Yep, that much is true, but little big brothers that march across your screen are pretty much an on/off thing. American freedoms deteriorated largely due to a set of "emergency" type laws set by one administration, and some of them are most likely going to be revised or even removed in the next year or so because that's how free countries work - people discuss touchy things on media and politicians try to get elected by mixing truth with lies concerning how these things are going to happen. With china and most totalitarian states, you can't really give people the advice you've given Americans, because..well, because there is usually no way for anything to change, and discussions are cut short by that cute little character that pops up to warn you of the dangers of betraying the state.

      Totalitarian regimes may at times have to accommodate the natural advance in the educational/idealogical status of their populations, but you can't really say that about any of the communist (or ex-soviet) states right now. If you were browsing this on myspace somehow from china, you would probably have a big red button to report me. Not kidding either - search slashdot for the story. And Americans let future politicians know their anger by parading in the streets and speaking on television and saying whacky things in the press and voicing their views all over the place. In Soviet Russia, politicians send messages to future demonstrators by publicly beating the current ones in the street with sticks. Freedom can be very black and white, I tell you.

      PS: I hope you're not a Brit!
    9. Re:Is it really funny? by bytesex · · Score: 1

      That sounds eerily similar to "Satan's greatest achievement was convincing the world that he doesn't exist."


      No shit, Sherlock.

      Where's that "Well, DUH" moderation category when you need it? That sounds like you're annoyed somebody made an obvious connection to a line from 'the Usual Suspects'.

      Where's the "Redundant" moderation category when you need it ? Oh ! It's right there !
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    10. Re:Is it really funny? by PinkyDead · · Score: 1

      PS: I hope you're not a Brit! That says a lot - in an ironic way, though.

      From a European point of view the perspective is very different. Most of the 'freedoms' that are so important to Americans are considered totally trivial over here. 'Freedom of speech', for example, is not as important - there are other rights that come first. That would horrify an American.

      On the flip side, you seem to gladly sacrifice rights (especially human rights) often for what appears to be frivolous or expeditious reasons - which just appalls people here.

      I'm suggesting good or bad, just different - same as in China. As a great man once said '...many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view'.

      That said little cartoon characters jumping up with 'Stay where you are, the police are on the way' scares me a little.
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    11. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but freedom ain't an "on/off" kind of thing, it's a "more/less" kind of thing.

      In capitalism you are as much free as how good lawyers you can hire and as healthy as how good medical care, food and recreation you can buy. Urge to amass wealth is not consequence of greed as much as it is the consequence of fear. Somewhere along the your life's path wealth means difference between life or death or between freedom or imprisonment (or death too). On top of it, the wealth is relative, so none is ever enough wealthy.

      Therefore, in capitalism there is hierarchy of freedom which is not as steep as the one in communism, where whole pyramid is non-free except maybe the narrow very top. In fact, the higher you are in communist pyramid, less freedom (although more privileges) you have, as George Orwell depicted in "1984".

      So, if you are a big honcho, capitalism is definitely better for you - privileges ... AND freedom too! Oh, yes, I forgot, you can get the privacy as well. With all the publicity spin experts out there, if you are wealthy enough (the wealthiest) you can always buy (or build) yourself puppet government (i.e. a President ... to be sure, make both parties' presidential candidates yours) and you don't have to show your face in public at all! Unlike public elected officials, none is going to try to assassin you, none is going to defame your name on Slashdot, none even knows you are the guy who make policies, everybody is free to criticize the government but if anyone fouls your name, that is where their freedom ends, you'll sue them into homelessness. Apparently, Chinese communist party officials dig all this advantages for some time now...

      If extreme wealth in capitalism is not ultimate absolute (and now virtually global as well) power, then there never existed one. I guess that, not unlike in Roman Empire, if you are living good now, it is a sign that current Emperor is sane and benevolent person. However, that may change as generations change.

      The capitalism has no protection from absolutist plutocracy - no protection is moneyproof.

      Therefore, the democracy you think you live in is just an illusion. Whoever you vote into office will be under leverage of those who are mightier then you and who are beyond the reach of democratic system - you can't vote other peoples' property. That is a problem which was once deemed straightforward solvable (Marxism), until that particular solution was tried and failed miserably. In fact, it solved the problem it was designed for only to introduce more of and worse problems. However, notably the best living for masses in history of capitalism (The Age of Middle Class, which is about to end) was during the peak of "Red Scare". I guess there must be something to it, that the real power-that-was had decided to temporarily restrain a little bit from its normal practices in order to eliminate then current threat.
    12. Re:Is it really funny? by Karthikkito · · Score: 1

      Most of the 'freedoms' that are so important to Americans are considered totally trivial over here. 'Freedom of speech', for example, is not as important - there are other rights that come first. That would horrify an American.


      And I would say the horror we would feel is well placed. After all, if freedom of speech isn't protected above all else, how would you be able to make it known that your other rights are being trampled upon? Freedom of speech really is intended to protect the citizen's ability to question his or her government, especially when it tries to take other rights away. If you don't protect this right, you lose the ability to project the others.
    13. Re:Is it really funny? by XedLightParticle · · Score: 1

      Only few lives under pure capitalism, just like only few live under pure communism.

      And the lawyer thing is primarily an American phenomenon.

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    14. Re:Is it really funny? by PinkyDead · · Score: 1

      Freedom of speech really is intended to protect the citizen's ability to question his or her government Now that's a freedom worth having - but I wasn't criticizing what Free Speech was intended to protect, but what Free Speech actually protects. And how there are many important rights - such a being free from rape/murder - that all need to be weighed against each other, as sometimes rights are necessarily compatible. And the choices that societies make with respect to maintaining this balance has different meaning in different cultures.

      As the original GP referred to the US is choosing to restrict some rights - ostensibly for freedom of speech, in that the media demands security while the populous follows. Whereas China is freeing some restrictions in order to move to a modern society - while at the same time it needs (or feels it needs) to restrict other freedoms in order to ensure the balance of its society. The difference is between absolutes and relatives.
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    15. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing about "emergency" laws though, is that they're not *actually* repelled even nearly as often as you would like them to be. There are strong forces that *want* such laws, permanently, and whatever emergency pops up is a welcome excuse to push them trough rapidly. If the laws are still there 20 years later, who will even remember?

      If the "emergency" part was seriously meant, the laws would come with an automatic expiry-date. "This law expires automatically in 3 years, unless extended by congress", but none of them tend to do that. Which makes whomever suggests canceling them look like the bad guy. Let's face it, it doesn't make much political capital to be the guy making the suggestion to remove so-called "anti-terror" laws, for example.

      A practical example ? TWA 800 broke up and exploded shortly after take-off headed for Paris from Kennedy airport. FBI argued for, and got, new wiretap-powers, meant to assist them in investigating the supposed terrorist-attack. This was in 1996. The end report from the FBI concluded that the explosion was the result of a mechanical error in the plane, and that there is no indication any criminal activity was involved. The laws ? Still in effect til this very day.

      Sure. *some* is reversed. But really, for every one step in the direction of freedom in american law the last decade or two, there's been atleast 5 steps in the oposite direction. So the net result is degradation.

    16. Re:Is it really funny? by shish · · Score: 1

      Go outside and yell "The government sucks!" three times, then post conspiracy theory crap everywhere. Did they suppress you? No?

      Why would they suppress someone who's helping them by demonstrating that the opposition are nuts?

      Try doing something *against* them, and see if you get suppressed :P

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    17. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely the US is ahead of the future UK police state? What I hear about the UK is scary! I no longer consider it to be a "free" nation.

    18. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The sad thing is though, that while the average chinese has become steadily more and more free lately"

      You still have forced abortions, you still have no freedom of speech, religion, press or anything in that regard. If you engineer something wrong, or make a bad call as a foreman, your executed.
      Your family is still charged for the bullet used to execute you for celebrating a religion or for any execution. Chinese history was rewritten and to even mention the correct version is punishable.

      How is freedom getting better for the average Chinese person?

      I won't dispute freedoms in the US.

    19. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 1

      In capitalism you are as much free as how good lawyers you can hire and as healthy as how good medical care, food and recreation you can buy.

      In absolutely pure capitalism, this is close to the truth. So it's a good thing we ain't got that in any country on earth. There needs to be some elements of socialism mixed in with the capitalism to get a good end-result. Much of current politics is about finding the correct mix.

      Urge to amass wealth is not consequence of greed as much as it is the consequence of fear. Somewhere along the your life's path wealth means difference between life or death or between freedom or imprisonment (or death too).

      Nah. It's just to get babes (or attractive men if you're female or gay). And to get nice/fun/enjoyable stuff and experiences, and to be freed of drudgework and boring stuff. That my wealth will ever buy my life or save me from prison is actually quite uncommon (sure, it happens, it just ain't very common), but what it most certainly *will* buy is a comfortable life with less drudgework and more fun, together with an attractive woman. (well, I've got that one down pat, still working on the rest though)

      You ignore the role of politics and law in freedom. A Norwegian and an American with the same wealth ain't equally free. There are some areas where the Norwegian is considerably more free, and some areas where the American is significantly more free. This ain't the result of the wealth as such, but a result of the different politics.

      The capitalism has no protection from absolutist plutocracy - no protection is moneyproof.

      True in pure capitalism, yes. Which is one of the many reasons that is a bad idea. Capitalism is an excellent method of generating wealth. But it is a sucky system for (among other things) distributing wealth, ensuring equality for the law, avoiding externalities and taking care of stuff that doesn't show on the bottom-lines. So, we need a combination. Basically everyone agrees to that anyway, the argument is just about *where* to put the dividing line.

    20. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Why would you think I'd be a brit ?

      I guess I should be flattered -- I would've thunk that having english as my third language made it rather obvious from my writing alone that I'm not, but I guess not. :-)

      I'm Norwegian. Which is completely irrelevant by the way.

    21. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Dunno. Quite possibly. I wouldn't know how to objectively compare "ahead" or "behind", I'm guessing you're ahead in some areas, behind in others. (and I'm no expert on the UK anyways)

      In any case, my point wasn't that the US is in such a bad position. You're not.

      My point was, you're moving in a bad *direction*.

    22. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See that's where the Europeans get it wrong. You can't keep giving up your rights to feel safe. I know as an American that's what I find most disturbing about Europe. You're all willing to give up individual rights to protect yourselves from all these possible threats.

      In fact, I'm horrified by how far things have gone in the us along those lines. And we're still nowhere near where Europe is in that area.

      I find the UK disturbing because they try to control everyone's life. It's like your life belongs to the state. I mean, do people really have any form of privacy there? Cameras all over the place, they always want your DNA, and you have to be interviewed to get a passport??? And the French scar me because it's illegal to say Zionism is racism. Yes, you're not longer allowed to have an opinion in Europe if it goes against what's politically correct.

      Not to mention all the laws against anything nazi like in Europe and even questioning anything about the holocaust.

      We're not scared of our freedom here. Everyone has the right to their opinions. If you don't like what someone else has to say, get over it. Because the thing is, if you take away the rights of people you don't agree with to express their opinions, in the end you're taking away your rights and the rights of everyone else in your society.

      Just because an idea is unpopular or incorrect doesn't mean someone shouldn't be able to express it. In fact, one could argue that it's best to have these things out in public, that way it can be debated in public.

      While our system is far from perfect here in the US, I do think we're more free than you are. The difference between an American and a European is that we're willing to die for our freedom. We're willing to live in a society which may not be as safe as yours.

    23. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The situation in China is, as you point out, still very bad.

      I still think it's justified to say it's improving though. First, China is a lot more open than it used to be. Sure, there are draconian internet-filters and arbitrary shutdowns of in-china sites that the government doesn't like. But being on the internet at all is still, by itself, a huge step forward, as we all know a *LOT* of stuff leaks trough even the most paranoid of filters.

      Chinese are now able to start and own businesses, which didn't use to be the case.

      China has now put into its constitution that people have a rigth to have their human rigths respected. They don't live up to it, not even close, but still, including it in the constitution has to be seen as a step in the rigth direction.

      Equal rigths are for women and men are improving. Over 35% of the officials in China are now female, which is a lot better than some years ago.

      Death-penalty is now put under review by the supreme court. China claims the result is a 10% decline in its use, though I wouldn't trust the numbers really.

      There's more. Much more.

      Still, I agree that China isn't making even *close* to as much progress as we'd like. There are even areas where the situation is worsening, like how a lot of people in Tibet are being treated.

      On the whole though, I think it's fair to say that the human-right-situation in China today is somewhat better than it was 10, or 20, or 30 years ago.

    24. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, attractive (as well as any, no matter their attractiveness) women are drawn to wealthier men for exactly the reasons mentioned - for securing the wellbeing of their future kids with wealthy father. It is an instinctive, culture-invariant thing.

      As of "pure capitalism" and some "mixed capitalism", I think explanation why it must creep into and end in "pure" capitalism is ... self-evident. Not that it is something easily visible or blatantly apparent, because once the cover is blown, it would stop working or turn into an open oppression under various excuses of high emotional charge...

      Countries with "mixed" system are currently bleeding their profits and losing their capital to "purer" capitalistic countries. Besieged citizens will, slower or faster, beg to surrender, like Swedes did recently. This process will not end until all comparable wages in the world level on Chinese wages level (at the time it happens ... as Chinese wages may rise a bit too). Then, another package of cheap labor will be opened (I place my bet on Africa), etc...

      Besides, there is no "in US" and "in Norway" today. The money is not held by borders. If you are extremely rich and control US, then you, for the most part and anything important, control Norway too. For examples, see "IP laws", etc. Opposite also holds, if you are a media tycoon from the end of the world continent, you will drift toward establishing your foothold in US...

    25. Re:Is it really funny? by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 1

      Probably because we British have been steadily eroding our own rights just like the US, and have an ever greater culture of surveillance. The poster is suggesting that it would be ironic for the British to criticise the US over civil rights erosion.

      Personally, I really don't see it as relevant whether I criticise erosion of civil rights in the US, the UK, or anywhere else in the world. I oppose this erosion equally wherever I see it happening.

    26. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Go outside and yell "The government sucks!" three times, then post conspiracy theory crap everywhere. Did they suppress you? No?

      Well, that is because yelling "The government sucks!" 3 times doesn't do much, so it is not suppressed -- yet. Now, if you do something a little more visible...

      http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/20 07/04/kinberg_0410

      Cheers,

      ---fred

    27. Re:Is it really funny? by asuffield · · Score: 1

      USA is still in pretty good shape, certainly miles ahead of countries like china.


      When you have to draw comparisons with China in order to say that a country is in "good shape", it's time to put it out of its misery. It's like saying "Yeah, so he kidnaps somebody every few years, and one or two of them died, but at least he's not shooting random people in the street every day".

      There is no such thing as an acceptable level of oppression.
    28. Re:Is it really funny? by asuffield · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Go outside and yell "The government sucks!" three times, then post conspiracy theory crap everywhere. Did they suppress you? No?


      In China? No, you just disappear. Maybe the government did it. Maybe the mafia did it because you owed them money. Maybe you ran away with a girl. Maybe you're escaping after committing a crime. That's why they do it that way - people go missing all the time, and nobody can be sure which ones were government work. It makes it very easy for people to believe that the government isn't actually doing anything wrong, and that's part of how they convince the citizen that he's free.

      Realistically though, the Chinese government does not tend to do anything about the kind of behaviour you describe. They don't actually care what you do - they just pay attention to the effect you have. Anybody who creates an effect that they don't like tends to disappear. Ineffectual people are left alone.
    29. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go outside and yell "The government sucks!" three times, then post conspiracy theory crap everywhere. Did they suppress you? No?
      Of course not, you're free to rant and rave because it's considered harmless. But try organizing a union for WalMart employees or a boycott of companies that use Chinese prison labor and see how long it takes for the cops to show up. Sure you'll be released without charges, but the point has been made: you can talk about flying saucers all you want, but if you start building power structures that might one day rival capitalism, your life will be made very uncomfortable. (Funnily enough those are exactly the same issues you're not supposed to talk about in China: the government is afraid of any alternative power base, whether it comes from democracy, the unions or the church.)
    30. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 1

      That also wan't my point. When you talk of china and usa in the same paragraph, a lot of people feel personally attacked and tend to knee-jerk a lot of responses of the type "we're lots better than China".

      I was just pointing out that this is COMPLETELY besides the point, as my point wasn't about the relative positions of the two countries at all, but about the relative *DIRECTION*.

      Freedom is being lost in the USA currently. That is worrisome. It is worrisome regardless of if you are more or less free than any other country in the world. That was my point. Sorry if I was being unclear.

    31. Re:Is it really funny? by kalirion · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of an old Soviet joke:

      A Russian and an American are discussing the merits of their governments.

      The American says, "We have full freedom of speech. I could stand on a soap box all day and yell 'The American government sucks, and the American president is a criminal' and I would not be arrested."

      The Russian replies, "That's nothing. I could go into Kremlin, call a press conference with invitations to all the communist party leaders, and announce 'The American government sucks, and the American president is a criminal' and I would be commended."

    32. Re:Is it really funny? by bcharr2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't you wish that every government and corporation on the planet would adopt this policy, and bluntly remind/inform you when they are monitoring you?

    33. Re:Is it really funny? by dillee1 · · Score: 1

      Try again with this:
      Go outside and yell "US Imperialism sucks!" three times, then post Islamic extremist jihad crap everywhere. Did CIA blow your brain out? No?

    34. Re:Is it really funny? by popejeremy · · Score: 1

      Now try and actually change the power systems in the U.S. which arrange it so that .25% of the population controls half of the wealth. Did you succeed? Are you still free?

    35. Re:Is it really funny? by manifoldronin · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is though, that while the average chinese has become steadily more and more free lately...


      No, that's only what the Chinese government wants to/tries to make the Chinese people believe. And that is TOTAL CRAP.


      The real sad thing is, somebody like you, who presumably lives in a free country, would believe in the Chinese government's crap, yet consider themselves cute enough to scream "you Americans need to wake up!"

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    36. Re:Is it really funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everything is a movie quote, you twit. This phrase existed long before it was used in "The Usual Suspects".

    37. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Actually, I based my statement mostly on information from Amnesty International, which I do trust to in general give a fair and balanced overall picture of human-rights. Thanks for playing. If I'd believed the chinese govt, I obviously wouldn't have stated, like I clearly did, that the situation there is horrible.

    38. Re:Is it really funny? by manifoldronin · · Score: 1

      I don't know which Amnesty International report you are referring to, but I would be immensely surprised if there wasn't a big "but..." following up, precisely to "give a fair and balanced overall picture". I don't see that in your statement, which wasn't qualified or backed by any references whatsoever, and would be immensely misleading.

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    39. Re:Is it really funny? by Eivind · · Score: 1

      I don't refer to any one report, but rather to the general impression after having followed their (and others) coverage over the last decades.

      OK, so fine, one can argue if the situation in china is "bad and standing still" or "bad and sligthly improving", fine.

      I don't think many will disagree though, that the situation in USA is "reasonable, but deteriorating", which should worry people a lot more than it does.

  25. in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In communist China, the internet surfs YOU!

  26. Does it run on Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it run on Linux? Firefox?

    or is this just for Microsoft Windows & Internet Explorer?

  27. Re:AT&T, NSA and Homeland scrutiny are the nex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps if you hate America so much, you could emigrate to China. Do a lecture circuit in China perhaps, about how the Imperialist freedoms suck and how Democracy oh-so-opressive; it'll be great! And if you are a female or have a spouse, remember to enquire about forced abortions on arrival (FREE while supplies last!).

    With opening act, Megaditto the Yankee Doodle Boy. It'll be the toast of Shanghai. Then on to Mynmar.

  28. Easy Vista by KingPrad · · Score: 4, Funny

    This should streamline running Vista. Now whenever you are prompted for Allow/Deny the character will go ahead and choose Deny for you. Every time.

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  29. oh shi- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In before George Orwell yaoi fanart.

  30. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    Perhaps if you hate America so much, My country! Right or wrong! Eh?

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  31. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

    Your paranoia's completely off base. The current administration has very obviously shied away from visible losses of freedom and displays thereof, which is integral to its "protecting your freedom" defenses. The only exception is airline security, where the public wanted them to take some freedom. You need to pay more attention.

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  32. You rook rike you're trying to write a retter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you rike some help?

  33. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you should consider that a country can be fucked up even if it isn't the worst on Earth. Sure, we might be doing better than China based on some criteria, but that doesn't mean there aren't quite a few things seriously wrong. "If you don't like it, leave." No thanks. If I don't like it I'll do what I can to fix it. Pointing out what's wrong is the first step.

  34. conflict with China by drDugan · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With the end of the cold war, I was hopeful that the ideological conflict between the west and the rest of the world was over. It looked like China was opening up.

    It appears, with stories like this and many others, not to be the case. China is obviously acting in ways that are not good for people - as defined by Western standards of freedom. Unlike Russia, they do not appear to have the financial decay leading to an eventual collapse.

    I've heard people argue that no one will go to war with China - the stakes are too high. Frankly, I'd rather see a massive 3rd world war than have the world societies slip silently into a death-like state like that the of Chinese government oppression.

    Got oppression?

    1. Re:conflict with China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life in China is nowhere near as bad a life after a nuclear war.

      The aftermath of a nuclear war would leave pretty much every surviving human in the world in a hunter/gatherer state, without the technology needed to maintain even minimal energy generation, much less power structure.

      If you think life in the US or China is bad, wait until your whole life is spent existing in a tiny, nomadic tribe trying to fight other war weary tribes for scraps of non-radioactive land, scraps of food, and non tainted water, and not even dreaming of going to an agriculture based society due to bandits ready to burn or pillage any crops for food.

      The West already went through a Dark Ages once. This time around, it would be worldwide, with no knowledge filtering from other countries to pull us out of the tailspin, and no resources (raw metals, coal, oil) usable to make another society even approaching modern day technology. Oil isn't just used for burning in your Hummer... its a critical element in making plastics. Even metals will be scarce... most are used in cities that would have been vaporized by direct strikes, or rendered too radioactive for use by the second wave of fallout.

      Of course, history, culture, and knowledge of even basic things (like machining a metal piece to sub-millimeter tolerances) would be forever lost.

      So, if you want nuclear war... great... but remember, ammo goes bad after a few years or decades, so better have some sticks and stones which can last you and your descendants a couple thousand years.

    2. Re:conflict with China by dbIII · · Score: 0, Troll

      China is changing one way - the USA another. While there are idiots waving sabres at China it is a far better place for everyone than it was a decade ago and will continue to get better - you cannot have a totalitarian state without tight control and once you lose the tight control it is very hard to get it back (fortunately). It's also a bit large increasingly administratively dissconected to generalise - like talking about Micronesia and Texas in terms of the USA.

    3. Re:conflict with China by wikinerd · · Score: 1

      no one will go to war with China

      Last time I checked, China has about 130 nuclear warheads, US has 9 960, and Russia has 16 000.

      Guess who is going to be obliterated first when the WW3 begins.

    4. Re:conflict with China by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find that the last two world wars were devastating for human liberties, and the next one will most likely continue that trend. Just off the top of my head...

      WWI:
      - led to the rise of fascist regimes across Europe and Communism in Russia.
      - initiated fiat money and restrictions one's right to earn money (income tax) in the US and Canada
      - led to occupation and irrational partitioning of the Middle East
      - created a political situation that made WWII inevitable
      - inspired the creation of chemical weaponry

      WWII:
      - led to the rise of Communism, the Soviet Bloc, and Communist China
      - led to the Cold War, with proxy wars, revolutions, and oppression springing up throughout the Third World
      - led to the establishment of massive spy and policing agencies in the First and Second World, with little responsibility or oversight
      - led to further eroding of free-market money and personal financial rights
      - inspired the creation of nuclear weaponry

      The oppression of the world today takes its shape from the world wars of the last century. We can only imagine the dystopia that would result from another.

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    5. Re:conflict with China by compro01 · · Score: 1

      does it particularly matter who dies first if the entire planet goes up in mushroom clouds?

      and i personally wonder how much use first strike capability would be given the number of nukes we're talking about.

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    6. Re:conflict with China by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Last time I checked, China has about 130 nuclear warheads, US has 9 960, and Russia has 16 000.

      Guess who is going to be obliterated first when the WW3 begins.

      Whoever the guy with the fastest missiles hates most ?

      Please understand that having 9960 nuclear warheads in no way stops 130 enemy warheads from reaching you. While 130 nuclear warheads is not sufficient to carpet bomb a country the size of the USA, it is quite sufficient to take out large cities, industry, food production and central administration. The end result is likely massive death toll from starvation and plague, and collapse of the USA as a nation, or at the very least its removal from its world power status.

      So no, no one dares attack China.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    7. Re:conflict with China by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      Arm every person in china with chopsticks, and you've got an army that will defeat any other by sheer numbers.
      c'mon, you've seen zombie movies, you know the drill!

    8. Re:conflict with China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Frankly, I'd rather see a massive 3rd world war than have the world societies slip silently into a death-like state like that the of Chinese government oppression.

      I bet neither you or your parents never had to suffer any war on you own territory (aka: you are an American)

      Suggesting WW3 as a solution to anything is just nuts.

      Cheers,

      --fred

    9. Re:conflict with China by alexyap · · Score: 1

      Does not matter who has more warheads. What is important is... the amount of nuclear firepower needed to destroy either China or USA will run into hundred of Megatons. This is enough to cross the threshold to trigger global nuclear winter, ending human civilization. EVERYBODY LOSES. Does not matter who fires first or more missiles.

      --
      Alexander Melbourne, Australia
    10. Re:conflict with China by Grym · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While 130 nuclear warheads is not sufficient to carpet bomb a country the size of the USA, it is quite sufficient to take out large cities, industry, food production and central administration. The end result is likely massive death toll from starvation and plague, and collapse of the USA as a nation, or at the very least its removal from its world power status.

      What you describe is entirely unlikely. You act as if the U.S. military would sit back passively while the Chinese spent hours fueling their 130 nuclear missiles. Why would we when we have the means to hit them before they even get off the ground (via Submarine-based ICBMs and Nuclear-armed cruise missiles)?

      I suggest you look up the term Nuclear Primacy. Having nukes doesn't mean much if they would be obliterated before they can even be launched.

      So no, no one dares attack China.

      Perhaps not conventionally, but this is more for geopolitical reasons than military ones. Even in conventional warfare, the U.S. Navy is completely unmatched by anything China has to offer.

      The funny thing is is how these facts shock even Americans. Should this really be that surprising? The United States spends more on its military than all the other countries in the world combined. You get what you pay for.

      -Grym

    11. Re:conflict with China by Loosifur · · Score: 0

      Because that's obviously working so well in Iraq.

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    12. Re:conflict with China by ultranova · · Score: 1

      What you describe is entirely unlikely. You act as if the U.S. military would sit back passively while the Chinese spent hours fueling their 130 nuclear missiles. Why would we when we have the means to hit them before they even get off the ground (via Submarine-based ICBMs and Nuclear-armed cruise missiles)?

      Gee, I wonder if it ever occurred to Chinese to keep their missiles (or a significant fraction of them) fueled and their locations hidden ?

      Perhaps not conventionally, but this is more for geopolitical reasons than military ones. Even in conventional warfare, the U.S. Navy is completely unmatched by anything China has to offer.

      Um... So ? You can't conquer a country with navy alone, and China has land routes to Asia, Europe and Africa, so you can't isolate it either.

      The funny thing is is how these facts shock even Americans. Should this really be that surprising? The United States spends more on its military than all the other countries in the world combined. You get what you pay for.

      Yes, the US does have lots of very advanced weaponry, and is certainly capable of stopping any conventional attack. However, it doesn't have anything capable of stopping an incoming nuke. That's why nuclear weapons are such efficient deterrents, and why everyone wants them nowadays.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    13. Re:conflict with China by Grym · · Score: 1

      Gee, I wonder if it ever occurred to Chinese to keep their missiles (or a significant fraction of them) fueled and their locations hidden ?

      If you bothered to read the article I linked it clearly said that this is not an option because the rocket fuel is corrosive and erodes the rockets if left inside without being fired. Futhermore, because they have so few missiles, the U.S. would simply have to destroy anything that even looked like a silo site to effectively put an end to China's nuclear threat.

      Um... So ? You can't conquer a country with navy alone, and China has land routes to Asia, Europe and Africa, so you can't isolate it either.

      Sure you can. How long do you think all those factories in the Chinese mainland would stay open when they have no profitable way to ship their goods to foreign markets? The U.S. wouldn't have to completely stop all trade to effectively kill the Chinese industry/economy. An induced economic crisis could trigger what the Chinese fear the most: a cultural revolution from within.

      Yes, the US does have lots of very advanced weaponry, and is certainly capable of stopping any conventional attack. However, it doesn't have anything capable of stopping an incoming nuke. That's why nuclear weapons are such efficient deterrents, and why everyone wants them nowadays.

      Having nukes is one thing. Getting them in the air is something else entirely. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the U.S. couldn't neutralize China's ability to launch missiles in the event of a crisis or as a sneak-attack. I'm not advocating such an act, but that is the reality of the situation as it is today.

      -Grym

    14. Re:conflict with China by dmclap · · Score: 1

      You say that like the missiles even matter in a war with China. China owns a majority of our debt, and buys more of it every day, which helps fuel our government's debt spending. If we decided to go to war with China, they could just stop buying our debt, and we would be royally screwed. If you couple that with a complete halt on exports to the US, China could easily cripple our economy, leaving us in no position to do much of anything. And while our military would still be entirely too strong for them to invade us (our Navy could crush them before they made it halfway here), it would certainly put them in the position of power for any peace negotiations (which the American people would probably be clamoring for). There's a reason the US still looks on China favorably, and it isn't because they have a good human rights record.

    15. Re:conflict with China by Brickwall · · Score: 1
      China doesn't need to nuke the US. All they need to do is dump their massive hoard of US dollars, which will cause the dollar to drop like a stone. That would make all US imports - which total nearly $2 trillion - more expensive, and devestate the US economy. On the other hand, it would hamper Chinese growth, which China needs to placate its masses. So its a symbiotic relationship; both countries need the other.

      Russia, on the other hand, is a different story. I don't think Putin likes Americans very much, but I don't think he would risk the possibility of the US response.

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      What was once true, is no longer so
  35. Perception of Freedom by Nymz · · Score: 2, Informative

    The biggest trick the government ever pulled was convincing the citizen that he was free
    If I end up in prison after Yahoo 'complies' with my government, then I'll reconsider my perception of freedom.
    1. Re:Perception of Freedom by slashdot.org · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I end up in prison after Yahoo 'complies' with my government, then I'll reconsider my perception of freedom.

      Some people believe that freedom is the ability to do whatever you want so long as you don't hurt anyone else. Given that definition, the US is far from a free country.

      As an example, explain how drinking alcohol is considered fine and smoking weed can land you in jail. (despite stacks of research proving that pot has less negative effects than alcohol does)

      Not to mention Guantanamo. Those aren't citizens, so they don't count.

  36. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps if you hate America so much, you could emigrate to China. Do a lecture circuit in China perhaps, about how the Imperialist freedoms suck and how Democracy oh-so-opressive; it'll be great! And if you are a female or have a spouse, remember to enquire about forced abortions on arrival (FREE while supplies last!).

    You're absolutely right, how could I ever have disparaged America?! Oh America, forgive me, you'll always be my number just-better-than-north-korea country!

    Seriously, lay off whatever you're smoking that causes you to flip out whenever anyone points out what we're doing wrong, and put some of that effort towards fixing it.

  37. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by non · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i don't know where to begin, either you're a total idiot, or just another ditto-head, and frankly i can't tell the difference anymore. while your rights and liberties are being slowly^H^H^Hrapidly eroded, you sit back and say, "if you don't like it, leave." perhaps you'd care to comment on adequate controls in government as they apply to electronic communications by the executive branch staff? or even more so, on the number of executive orders made by the current administration?

    foreigners, nationals of a country widely considered to be the most corrupt in the first world, have said to me, " its not that we're any more corrupt than you are, its just that you're professionals at it."

    trust me, when it comes to electronic communications, you are every bit as monitored here as in china. why don't you google 'network packet monitor index'. the vendors returned by such a search will be those that contracted to the intelligence agencies years ago; the chinese use equipment cloned from such specifications.

    and while you're on the subject of forced abortions, why don't you think about the possibly of forced pregnancy.

    --
    ...vividly encapsulates that post-Watergate/pre-punk/coked-up moment when you could trust no one, least of all yourself.
  38. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

    and while you're on the subject of forced abortions, why don't you think about the possibly of forced pregnancy

    Tell me, which government is in the business of rape?

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  39. Olympics pledges? by NewsWatcher · · Score: 1

    With all this intimidation of web surfers, I am beginning to get suspicious the Chinese delegation must have had their fingers crossed when the promised to alleviate human rights abuses in their country in time for the 2008 Olympic Games.

    Nah, I guess it is impossible to believe that with the eye of the world on their country, China would continue to hold the world's youngest political prisoner, the Panchen Lama, and kill prisoners so they can harvest their organs. They clearly wouldn't continue to block access to websites that hold views contrary to the wishes of their government either (even though the information is considered the truth by the rest of the world).

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    If the pattern goes 9am, 10am, 11am, why isn't noon 12am?
    1. Re:Olympics pledges? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be interesting to see how they respond to Western Olympics visitors, say, wearing T-Shirts with political messages considered unacceptable by the Chinese government.

      Either they ignore them in which case China and the world gets to hear about the government's human rights abuses during the Olympics which would embarrass them or they round up Western "protesters" which looks even worse in front of the world. If foreign athletes start gabbing on the podiums about Tianamen / Tibet / Taiwan etc. the Chinese government is in for a PR disaster.

    2. Re:Olympics pledges? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the Jews put people in PRISON for daring to question their 'holocaust' story...
      But that's 'hate' speech, right?

  40. They outsourced it. by twitter · · Score: 1

    Clippy watched your keystrokes and has grown up into "desktop search". The little shields and popups made sure you were "safe". In the background, encrypted communications stream back to the mother ship. If that's not all obvious and continuing reminder that every stroke is monitored, I'm not sure what is.

    Only community based free software will really give you privacy and dignity. Non free systems will sell you to the highest bidder.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:They outsourced it. by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, these are on the websites, not in any operating system you use.

      Do you maybe want to re-read the story? I don't think you understood it.

      --
      "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    2. Re:They outsourced it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Twitter (and Twitter-in-drag).

    3. Re:They outsourced it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My eyes! And I'm not just talking about their faces. Does explain a lot though.

  41. Change in the air by rednip · · Score: 1

    Americans like the idea of revolution, but when it happens for real, good people die.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolut ion/)

    Mao and his cronies called it a revolution, but it was really a purge. A revolution replaces the people in power, a purge helps to keep them in power.

    The Chinese government knows this, and freedoms will come, but it's going to take time. Generations. Not weeks.

    Yea, when the last communist party official becomes a billionaire, but then how would they keep a democratically elected governement from taking all of their ill gotten booty? OK, they'll just stay in power until they get thrown out.

    The Tianamen Square protests, were just protests, sure they came close to starting a revolution, but too little of China knew about it. It was a magical time, the Russian just 'gave up', the Berlin wall was fall, Rush was putting out a new album, change was in the air. Sure we in the west knew what was going on, but the average Chinese didn't. Not enough of them were able to make the choice for change. Next time, perhaps in weeks, months, years, but not decades, the ruling class of China will not be able to stop the news. The spark could be anything, perhaps an external like N. Korea opening up, or Cuba, maybe an internal crisis like a political scandal, or a large state sponsored disaster (dam collapse?), but the communication infrastructure that wasn't there in 1989, now exists. Once the street protests start the business interest will force the 'communists' (if you can still call them that) to give up power peacefully. Well, fairly peacefully, at least, as the 'communist billionaires' have too much to lose

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  42. Awww... by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're so cute they just make me want to limit my searches to government approved propaganda and puppies.

    1. Re:Awww... by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      I know, they are irresistibly sweet, if only Orwell had thought of it, a boot stamping on a human face forever would be OK if it was one of those cute cartoon boots from Who Framed Rodger Rabbit.

  43. This is a problem because...? by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look, we all know that the Chinese government is going to be monitoring as much as it can. They're control freaks. I, for one, welcome any measures they take to remind the people that they're being watched - maybe such reminders will help the people of china think about what kind of society they live in and what kind of society they would like to live in, and encourage them to take action to try to shape their future.

    1. Re:This is a problem because...? by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      ... maybe such reminders will help the people of china think about what kind of society they live in and what kind of society they would like to live in

      It is possible, that people of china think that the rest of the world lives under the same or even worse circumstances. Besides, it can even give them a warm a fuzzy feeling that all "wrong" people are watched by authorities too.

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      May Peace Prevail On Earth
    2. Re:This is a problem because...? by wikinerd · · Score: 1

      If children are raised in an environment where surveillance is common and openly visible, they'll think it's something normal and natural and will never revolt against this unless they read some philosophy or learn to think for themselves at a later age.

    3. Re:This is a problem because...? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      And they may be right, so what? I hate that.. it reminds me of people who say "that's broken on Windows too" when you criticize their Mac or a Linux distro. It aint right. That's all that matters - not how bad it is elsewhere. Hold yourself and your society to a gold standard.

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
    4. Re:This is a problem because...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe such reminders will help the people of china think about what kind of society they live in and what kind of society they would like to live in, and encourage them to take action to try to shape their future.

      You are assuming they would choose different. It is very possible that a majority of the population will choose stability over fear of change. If the US had not indoctrinated school children that the constitution is a holy document, the US people would also prefer rigid controls of citizens like in the UK, because, after all, who has anything to hide? Cameras watching your every move is a good thing...the department of homeland security provides stability... if someone is arrested and sent to Guantamo Bay, it's because they're a terrorist. Who needs a jury and a trial for terrorists anyway? We know they're guilty, our good people in law enforcement said they were.

      The slippery slope is there and you just don't see it because you're on it.

    5. Re:This is a problem because...? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      encourage them to take action to try to shape their future.

      And just what exactly would they do? While the Chinese government does not generally intrude itself into local matters (people can actually vote for the mayor of their village) and penny ante politics they do control the money and the guns and they are not above using violence to enforce the status quo, as the students at Tiananmen discovered. Remember it was Mao who said, "political power flows from the barrel of the gun" and they take that quite literally in China.

  44. I'll bite the trollbait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I live in China, and I can tell you that it's certainly not in a "death-like state like that the of Chinese government oppression". Sure, censorship exists, the government is quite corrupt and abusive, especially on the lower levels, and it can be hard to find a good book. It drives me up the wall sometimes, just how flat the popular culture is- anything controversial gets dropped like a hot rock.

    On the other hand, there are raunchy popular novels (printed by half-legal vanity presses) being sold right outside my door. There's tons of (bad) modern art expressing the pain of living in Chinese society, and (bad) rock 'n roll expressing the pain of being young and unloved. Although there are fewer than 100 movies released to theaters each year on the mainland, every film ever made is sporadically available on DVD, from Deep Throat to To Live to They Live. Chinese people can find every sort of approved and forbidden idea under the sun if they're curious, and they're mostly free to discuss it in private. Publishing is another thing, but the Cultural Revolution is over, and you can pretty much say whatever you want to your friends.

    China is booming, and the authorities can barely keep it under control. I won't defend their actions (although cartoon cops are hardly the worst things they do....) but the notion that China in any way resembles 1984 is absurd. While the government is sliding from totalitarian Communism towards plutocracy, the people are getting away with everything they can, and it's a lot. I don't hold out a lot of hope that we'll have big D Democracy here anytime soon, but to imagine that this country, or the US, or anyone else would somehow be better off in a Massive 3rd World War is insane.

    You are insane.

    1. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by ubernostrum · · Score: 1

      China is booming, and the authorities can barely keep it under control.

      China has a sword hanging over its head, and the smarter government officials know this (some have rather candidly admitted as much in interviews with Western media). Not a sword of war, but a sword of population; the crunch of America's "Baby Boom" generation retiring will be looked on with nostalgia when China's recent (late-20th-century) population booms reach old age, and state-mandated population control policies leave too few active workers to support them.

    2. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      If they leave the air and water polluted and don't strongly discourage smoking, many of them might not reach old age. Problem solved then ;).

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    3. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by BuddyJesus · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why this is moderated funny, because a lot of it is true. I've visited China often, and it is the case that the pop culture sucks, and that you can say pretty much whatever you want in private. You can also buy pretty much anything on the streets. So why is this funny?

    4. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Sure, censorship exists, the government is quite corrupt and abusive, especially on the lower levels, and it can be hard to find a good book.

      In other words, it's just like Post-9/11 America :)

    5. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you.

      I do not live in China, but I have many friends who do. I am sick and tired of people spouting off about China as if they're experts on the subject yet they have no connection to the country. I am studying the language. I am learning about the culture. China is not perfect, but no country is. China is much better than most countries, and in many ways is _way_ better than the USA with regards to freedom.

      I'm posting as AC because I don't feel like being pelted with hatemail from the neocon sheeple who come here to troll and flame people.

    6. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and (bad) rock 'n roll expressing the pain of being young and unloved. I don't speak Chinese, so I don't know, but is Xu Wei's music like that? He's got a good tune, anyway.
    7. Re:I'll bite the trollbait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soylent Green: Made with 100 percent retiring chinese.

      Motto: We give a whole 'noter name to take out. :)

      Horrible idea yeah, but it'd deal with the problem.

  45. Most boring comment ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't see how such a trite post could get modded up to +5 Interesting. Okay, actually I can, but that involves either stupidity, or (not xor) something more sinister.

  46. World War 3 by plierhead · · Score: 1

    Frankly I hope you don't get your misguided wish. To quote Albert Einstein:

    I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

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    1. Re:World War 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd rather be dead, or live in the stone age, than live under the government in 1984. Are these not the principles by which America was founded?

    2. Re:World War 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but they were subverted by Raymond Cocteau.

      Now the American ideal is, "Whatever, as long as I can live in my basement, sit around in beige pajamas and sing, 'I'm an Oscar Meyer Weiner'."

  47. Good Evening Chinese Web Surfer... by PlusFiveInsightful · · Score: 1

    ...I see you are viewing a pornographic website. I'd like to remind you that viewing websites with one hand underneath your desk can cause damage to your keyboard.

    Carry on and have a nice day.

  48. It's worse, this is an RIAA ripoff by transporter_ii · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Stung by criticism that it was utilizing unlicensed private investigators in order to track down alleged online copyright violators, the RIAA has admitted to "improperly obtaining" user data, and in an unusual near-apology, vowed to clean up its act. "It is time to face the music. We must stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life. Our country has been distracted by this matter for too long, and I take my responsibility for my part in all of this. That is all I can do," said Mitch Bainwol, Chairman and CEO of the RIAA. Bainwole went on to say, "We have important work to do -- real pirated CDs to seize, real problems to solve, real security matters to face. I now ask you to turn away from the spectacle of the past eighteen months, to repair the fabric of our national discourse, and to return our attention to all the challenges and all the promise of upcoming American entertainment that will be brought to you by RIAA members.

    On the same day, the RIAA also announced new software it would make available as a free download called riaaBuddy.

    riaaBuddy is an on-screen "intelligent software agent" created by the RIAA, and based upon Microsoft Agent [wikipedia.org] technology. The goal of the program is to help users enrich their online musical experience as they discover digital music together with the included "riaaBuddy," which is an animated, purple Sheryl Crow. Users can interact with Sheryl by asking her questions, get recommendations on new music released by RIAA artist, as well as be politely informed when unapproved websites are loaded.

    Other features include, an integrated download tracker, music-related themes, desktops, screen savers, and cute, animated emoticons, bearing a resemblance to top-selling RIAA artists. Also included is a desktop search utility that indexes a hard drive's contents in order to allow the user to easily perform searches.

    While initial response to the program has been positive, a few early users complain that the program is buggy. The purple Sheryl Crow is said to only be able to sing the song Daisy Bell. "The program keeps changing my home page to a crappy RIAA home page," said one teenager who wished to remain anonymous out of fear of a RIAA-sponsored lawsuit. There have also been complaints of an increase in pop-up advertising.

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  49. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Someone who hates America, or approves of how China is governed, would simply keep silent and let things go on as they have been.

  50. Airline security by Joaz+Banbeck · · Score: 1

    ...The only exception is airline security, where the public wanted them to take some freedom. Sorry, but I have to quibble about this one. We - the public - wanted them to make air traffic safer. Perhaps we tolerated a loss of freedom, but it was not what we wanted.

    Personally , I wanted an increase of freedom for airline security. I was hoping that anyone who had a concealed carry permit would be able to carry on a plane.
    1. Re:Airline security by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      I'd like the same thing, but we're both in the minority. People wanted to be searched and restricted, knowing the terrorists were being searched and restricted in the same ways.

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  51. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grandparent expresses a concern that America is becoming like China in terms of civil liberties, and your response is "if you don't like it, go to China"? Do you honestly think that makes sense?

  52. FF to the rescue by pinguwin · · Score: 0

    I see a Firefox extension in the making!

  53. I've already got something like that. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

    I dunno about the beijing version but this one is pretty awesome.

    http://www.virtuagirl2.com/index.php/.

    1. Re:I've already got something like that. by natet · · Score: 1

      I think a NSFW warning is in order here...

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  54. Yahoo China jailed blogger? by megaditto · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's ridiculous to equate the rights and liberties of people in USA or China. I too do not know where to begin, so just look at how we treat our enemies:

    The worst of the worst terrorists are put up in an air-conditioned facility on a tropical island, with three square meals a day, and the bloody prayer time five days a week. Some abuses happened, now our military guys are in jail for it.

    Compare that to China where they execute 10,000s people a year then bill the family for the bullet. Look up how well China does in Tibet, or whatever. Hell, there was an article earlier on /. today about Yahoo China jailed blogger, and all the outrage that generated in America. All the monitoring is besides the point; what matters is why the Govt does it and what they do with it: and it's damn hard to jail people in United States, given our independant Judiciary, jury system, and open courts.

    If you are still reading this, then let me tell you that your argument is crap: you fume a little in the beginning, throw in a few strawmen about wiretapping (which is being taken care of as we speak), then you quote your alien buddies, go back to how China is not as bad as the US re: wiretapping again. Then you finish off with a remark about rape...

    I do not believe what your friends from Krapistan said about corruption in America (is s/he an expert of some sort?); but if YOU believe her then just ask which country s/he would chose to live in and get a family going...

    Forced pregnancy? We took care of Saddam's rape rooms back in 2003.

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    1. Re:Yahoo China jailed blogger? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      The worst of the worst terrorists are put up in an air-conditioned facility on a tropical island, with three square meals a day, and the bloody prayer time five days a week.

      Hah! Those aren't the worst of the worst terrorists. Those are primarily innocent people who we can't even be bothered to charge of a crime. We deny them all access to the legal system, lawyers. All for what? The worst crime they are guilty of is being sympathetic to anti-american sentiment! Go figure. We invade their country, destroy their cities, kill their family members, and then lock them in a prison without any access to the outside world. I'd be more concerned about anyone who was 'pro-american' after an ordeal like that.

      As for the truly 'worst of the worst', we keep them neatly outside our jurisdiction, in prisons in other 2nd/3rd world countries where they can be held, interrogated, tortured and killed without having to get our hands dirty.

      Even a massively high profile criminal like the captured Saddam Hussein? What did we do with him? Why we released him into Iraqi custody, knowing full bloody well they would convict and then execute him. Had he been tried in a more civilized court -- hell even an American court an execution would have been unlikely. We might as well have pulled the trigger ourselves.

      and it's damn hard to jail people in United States, given our independant Judiciary, jury system, and open courts.

      Indeed, that must be why nearly 12% of black males aged 20-34 are currently in prison.

      In the US we have 702 inmates per 100,000 people. In other 1st world countries the number is a fraction that amount... Canada 116, Italy 100, Germany 91, France 85. Here's a rough graph to drive the point home. Each star represents ~33 people per 100,000.

      ********************* USA
      *** Canada
      *** Italy
      *** Germany
      ** France

      Call me crazy, but I wouldn't pick the USA as a country that's hard to jail people in.

      Look up how well China does in Tibet, or whatever.

      Really? You're going to go there now? Your going to bring up a country China invaded and has a relatively terrible record with? I mean hey, last time the US invaded a country, we were greeted as liberators, right? I mean, the studies that show 30,000 - 50,000 civilian deaths resulting from direct violence in the last 6 years, and the absolutely staggering estimates of 500,000 to 600,000 indirect deaths due to disease, exposure, infrastructure destruction, and so forth that would not have died if not for the war.

      (Essentially... over the course of the last six years, the mortality rate -- the rate at which people die has gone up by 500 per day. Its reasonable to believe that if we hadn't invaded, the mortality rate would not have shot up like this.)

  55. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by megaditto · · Score: 1

    no.

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  56. Ironic to link to Yahoo's report by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Given that they'll do anything for the Holy Dollar (or Yuan Reminbi), even if it would violate our laws as well.

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  57. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by megaditto · · Score: 1

    There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America
    -- Bill Clinton

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  58. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by dbIII · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of Chinese with broadband using webcams and VoIP has taken over - that's what those cheap phonecards are using. That is a lot of traffic. The stable door is open and the "great firewall" and things like this are ineffectual attempts to pretend there is some sort of control. It's security theatre like the face recognition silicon snakeoil at airports.

  59. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Algeria. One of the nastiest of our military allies at this point. It was also famously used as an intimidation tactic in Iraq in the 1990s and some western journalists saw plenty of evidence of that in the north. The difference with Algeria is that it is happening now.

  60. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Without reading the whole thread, I do know that the next step is formulating a coherent statement of what is wrong and why it is, in fact, wrong. The third step is proposing a solution that will not introduce more problems than it solves. The fourth is convincing enough of the right people that your solution has sufficient merit to be implemented.

    One problem that the USA does not have that China does is that the above steps are impossible for a Chinese subject (I hesitate to use the word citizen) to complete. You normally don't make it past the first step before the government comes to explain why there isn't actually a problem to be solved.

  61. Live free or die by xtal · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of wisdom in those four words. Freedom has nothing to do with comfort.

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  62. waste of screen real estate by wikinerd · · Score: 0

    The Chinese communist government not only wants to detain Tibetans, monitor Internet useage, and do other nasty things typical of fascist states, but it now also wants to steal the precious screen real estate of its people. It must be ridiculous to live in a state that not only fscks up your rights but also forces you to put silly animated cops on YOUR computer's screen!

  63. Tentacles by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can you get all hentai on that girl cop and "interact" with her using a tentacle cursor?

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  64. Here's a question... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... prompted by the word "Tianamen" - the Great Firewall of China blocks "objectionable content" based on keywords. Presumably it doesn't only work on port 80, otherwise people would be proxying web traffic through non-standard ports.

    If I'm getting a lot of spam from China, would sticking words that trigger the firewall in my SMTP HELO response automatically block them?

    1. Re:Here's a question... by noamsml · · Score: 1

      Try it and report.

    2. Re:Here's a question... by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      "Thank you for your interest in joining our Falun Gong cell!"

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    3. Re:Here's a question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that tianamen square is the name of the place, not the protest, you would have to be a little more specific probably.

    4. Re:Here's a question... by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


        A string with that, the dates, and some names specific to the event would likely suffice.

      SB

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  65. Re:Awww...RORCATZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crippy: You rook for cat? I suggest try Szechuan style.

    Yu: Do not want.

  66. Old News? by tutwabee · · Score: 1

    This was already done in Shenzhen last year. I don't understand why this is such a surprise.

  67. 1984 by nagora · · Score: 1
    This is just standard police-state stuff. Just as Orwell had posters of Big Brother Is Watching You everywhere, the Chinese Fascist Party need to keep their population in a state of fear. This keeps them from combining with strangers (since they are afraid to trust anyone) and ultimately from fighting for their freedom. Oppressive Regimes 101.

    Remind me again why I should give a shit about athletes who are going to China to help support this bunch of bastards?

    TWW

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  68. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Markus+Landgren · · Score: 1

    I used to run a dashboard widget where John Ashcroft's face changed color along with the National Threat Advisory.

  69. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

    It depends on what your definition of "is" is...
    -- Bill Clinton

  70. Then how do you explain free speech zones? by jasomenaso · · Score: 1

    Seriously, after everything you just said. Explain how the US governments enforcement of "Free Speech Zones" get 'these things out in public'?

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  71. Already done.... by Sierpinski · · Score: 1

    This has been done before, although for different reasons. It was called 'Tiny Elvis', and he stayed towards the bottom of your screen, occasionally saying things like 'Whoa, check out that icon. That sucker's huge!' They just put a cop uniform on it and took away the catchy phrases...

  72. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America So, what do you think is right with America that can do the fixing?
    Apparently not anyone who identifies the problems and speaks up about them - you want to send them off to China.

    So, if the people who recognize what's wrong need to step off, who's going to do the fixing?
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  73. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by non · · Score: 1

    did you read 'The Handmaid's Tale' by Margaret Atwood? have you looked at population growth rates in the western world? in germany the government sends you a check once a month depending on the number of children you have. personally, i don't have to stretch my mind too far to imagination it.

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  74. Is it the "good" animated cop? by KalElOfJorEl · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they give them the Flash-animated 36/24/36 blond haired blue eyed stiletto wearing temptress officer with a whip in tow on their desktops.

  75. Re:AT&T, NSA andHomeland scrutiny are the next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America."
    >
    >-- Bill Clinton

    No disrespect meant for Bill, but he was only picking up where an earlier opponent left off. (His wife, with "we're going to take things from you for the common good", not so much.)

    "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government *is* the problem."
    -- Ronald Reagan, first inaugural address, 1981.

    Of course, even he had mellowed a bit by then... Back in the day, he used to be a little more explicit about what he stood for:

    "If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except to sovereign people, is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election. Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."
    - Ronald Reagan, A Time for Choosing, 1964

    I'm just glad he didn't live to see the bad guys win, like Kruschev said, without firing a shot.

  76. Woo hoo! by qualidafial · · Score: 1

    I hope my computer screen gets the naughty cop.

  77. But.. by Nim82 · · Score: 1

    Do they have little speed cameras to catch people with fat pipes? :P

  78. Cop Killer?? by plebeian · · Score: 1

    The real question is who will be the first to come up with a program allowing you to shoot the cop? and how much time will they spend in jail???

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  79. Silly question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, can someone give me a good reason why I should give 2 shits about this ?

  80. Yao! by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Yao! (If you remember that Visa Card commercial....)

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  81. FPS Game? by PPH · · Score: 1

    How many points do you get for each cop you knock off?

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  82. Better than in the US by pseudorand · · Score: 1

    At least in China the government is honest about it's internet monitoring practices. Here in the US, the feds pretend that such a program doesn't exists, but we all know better.

  83. Old Russian Joke by Khammurabi · · Score: 1

    Q: Is it true that there is freedom of speech in the Soviet Union the same as there is in the USA?

    A: In principle, yes. In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House in Washington, DC, and yell, "Down with Reagan!", and you will not be punished. Just the same, you can stand in the Red Square in Moscow and yell, "Down with Reagan!", and you will not be punished.

  84. Revenge of Clippy The Adventure Continues... by PDX · · Score: 1

    Didn't Microsoft just ditch their digital mascot because it was so annoying? Let's hear it for Chinese politicians being at least a decade behind the tech curve.

  85. sentence does not parse by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

    "Despite the controls, nudity, profanity, illegal gambling and pirated music, books and film have proliferated on Chinese Internet servers."

      Books and film have proliferated on Chinese Internet servers despite "the controls, nudity, profanity, illegal gambling and pirated music" ?

      Well, Good! I say. Wait a minute...

    SB

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  86. Mod parent up by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I suspect that many people who remember the old Soviet Union would recognize that technique as well.

      Just as a general comment on this thread, not @ you asuffield, is that those of you who yammer on, constantly, about how much freedom we have in this country would be better off looking after it, rather than boasting about it. Especially because the boasting makes you looked pretty damned foolish to some people who have perhaps considered the issue a little more objectively and at least made an effort to learn some history. Start at least as early as the Greeks ;)

      Oh, and get off my lawn :)

    SB

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