Choose any database you want. Tapestry is simply AMAZING!!! Everything is a component. It is like have all of the coolest legos and building sites in not time. Also, if you don't like the block, it is EASY to make custom components. Howard Lewis Ship is a genius.
Okay, the Java world needs to really wake up and start buying into Cayenne. Get off the Hibernate kick!!! All I see is ways to improve Hibernate and Cayenne already has it all in place. Plus Cayenne and Tapestry were made for each other.
J2EE was a nice try, but way, WAY too complicated. Both Cayenne and Tapestry are straight-forward and easy to use, IMHO!!!
If you think Hibernate is good, then try Cayenne and really be blown away.
I am not affiliated with Cayenne at all - just a VERY satisfied customer.
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Everything you stated above (security, open source) exists for Java too. And this slow vs fast stuff is complete crap. I am currently on a.NET project and have written Java apps in the past and their is NO difference - especially when talking about the web.
You were upfront with were you come from (I applaud that), but please quit with the hype. It's embarassing.
Just choose the option that you have the most experience in. The marketing hype is just that: hype. I have had the experience in designing solutions in both and basically both are almost the same.
If you have more developers with experience in Java, then choose it. Same goes for.NET. There are still more open source tools for Java (Hibernate, Ant, etc.) but the.NET versions are not far behind (NHibernate, NAnt).
I still prefer Eclipse to Visual Studio.NET, but really you will get more "bang for the buck" if you don't have to go through a learning curve.
I completely know what you mean. When I was looking for a job, if you did not have some Java cert, then forget about it. It is very frusterating.
It seems like the test or the cert gets in the door (may even gets you the job), but it does not equate to the best person for the job.
It is just unfortunate that throwing a test at something is supposed to measure a person's qualification. It simply measures how good a person can take a test. There is just too much emphasis on test taking skills.
I completely agree. The last place I worked at, our "Lead Developer" was a journalism major and the Tech Lead was an adminstrative assistant at a prior job.
We even tried to hire a guy fresh out of college and he turned us down b/c another company hired him as a "manager" with 6 people underneath him!!
That was a couple of years ago, but with all of the complaints about not finding jobs now is b/c (IMHO) the jobs before never should have been available to those in the first place.
I am not saving an journalism or admin assistant could not become excellent programmers, but there is SOME problem solving skills needed.
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The equation speaks for itself. I love the current theory that having a certification or the ability to rattle off words or phrases or specs makes you "smart".
The "smartest" people I have had the pleasure to work with are thoses that are open to other ideas and actually DON'T claim to know everything. They do know how to find solutions and in most cases the solutions were somebody else's.
The "know-it-alls" either ended up in the corner or on the street. Yes, they will always be able to find another job, but cycle continues. Plus, team skills are more important than individual skills. Know your role.
I read your post and I honestly thought you make a lot of good points. I guess what I am hearing is that you believe the system does not work? Am I correct?
But, would you be saying the same thing had Kerry won? It just seems like there is a lot of, "Well, things didn't go MY way, so I will just take my toys and go home." That just seems childish to me.
Ridiculous comparison, eh? Both torture and oppressed their people and were horrible ditators. Also, there are some who believe the holocaust was a hoax. So in their mind, they believe we went after Hitler over a lie. I don't agree with this assessment, but don't believe for one minute the Saddam was not a horrible dictator.
Also, last I checked, abortion is perfectly legal in the United States.
What is funny is in your orginal statement, you claimed it was not in "your" morals to call somebody who disagreed with you a traitor, but you have no problem refering to somebody as a "wacko" and somebody who voted for Bush as "scum". Interesting. Do as I say not as I type, right?
I am not really sure how this became the topic, my main point was that people were talking about voting for Bush as un-American and then when the election did not go their way, they are going to "bail" on America!!! My feeling is that if you don't like the outcome, then convince (don't name call) your opponents to vote the other way. Use the system and get your views across, don't just throw your hands up and flee.
You act like Bush simply needs to suggest something and it becomes law. It doesn't work that way. Bush is going to push for laws that favor his views (as would Kerry). What else would you expect them to do? However, they still need to be voted on.
It was a hard fought election, but it is now over. It is time to be Americans and use the American system to "improve" the country.
Also, I saw the Jon Stewart thing. He chastised two other windbag "entertainers". They call themselves reporters or analysts, but I think even Stewart got to admit they were entertainers. An entertainer standing up to another entertainer really isn't that admirable.
But my morals tell me that it is wrong to make up lies as a justification to invade a country and murder 10s of thousands of its citizens who have never done anything to me.
I believe Hitler never did anything to people here in America, so maybe we should have not gone after him either.
Also with that logic why don't you just leave your doors unlocked and wait to lock them after somebody has broken in.
My morals tell me that it is wrong to push my religion down other people's throats.
My morals tell me that it is wrong, in a free society, to call people who disagree with me traitors.
Yeah, but somebody tells you they are a Christian and suddenly they are a "fanatic", right?
Hello, pot? You're black!
You are right that America is great because of its morals, but it is these morals that make it so.
Forcing unwilling people at gunpoint to have babies is not a moral action, and certainly nothing to base a country on.
So you see, in this election actual morals lost to forcing certain religious beliefs down peoples throats....It's the same attitude that caused freedom of religion to be put in the constitution in the first place.
Oh well, it lasted 200 years which is much longer than they thought it would.
Somebody was forced at gunpoint to have an a baby? Link, please. Also, I don't think any mosques have been burned down, again, can you provide a link? You don't think you have freedom of religion?
Also, when did Jon Stewart suddenly become so intelligent. He is a comedian with very good writers!! Craig Kilborn used to host the Daily Show, how come he shouldn't be President? Don't get me wrong, I think the Daily Show is good entertainment and Jon Stewart is a good entertainer, but please quit making him out to something he is not!! Did you ever watch any of Jon Stewart's shows before he became host of the Daily Show? Did you know that he had any?
WOW - what a difference a day makes. Yesterday was how un-American it would be to vote for Bush and how he divides the country and now with Bush winning, it's "America is going to HELL" and "I'm moving to Canada."
Who is really dividing America? I understand having passion for your beliefs, but now it is time to join together!!! America is great because of its individuals and its morals.
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Choose any database you want. Tapestry is simply AMAZING!!! Everything is a component. It is like have all of the coolest legos and building sites in not time. Also, if you don't like the block, it is EASY to make custom components. Howard Lewis Ship is a genius.
Okay, the Java world needs to really wake up and start buying into Cayenne. Get off the Hibernate kick!!! All I see is ways to improve Hibernate and Cayenne already has it all in place. Plus Cayenne and Tapestry were made for each other.
J2EE was a nice try, but way, WAY too complicated. Both Cayenne and Tapestry are straight-forward and easy to use, IMHO!!!
You are predicting the end of the world (okay maybe just the US)? You kind of sound a lot like the folks you despise.
If you think Hibernate is good, then try Cayenne and really be blown away.
I am not affiliated with Cayenne at all - just a VERY satisfied customer.
http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
Quit drinking the company punch!!!
.NET project and have written Java apps in the past and their is NO difference - especially when talking about the web.
Everything you stated above (security, open source) exists for Java too. And this slow vs fast stuff is complete crap. I am currently on a
You were upfront with were you come from (I applaud that), but please quit with the hype. It's embarassing.
Just choose the option that you have the most experience in. The marketing hype is just that: hype. I have had the experience in designing solutions in both and basically both are almost the same.
.NET. There are still more open source tools for Java (Hibernate, Ant, etc.) but the .NET versions are not far behind (NHibernate, NAnt).
If you have more developers with experience in Java, then choose it. Same goes for
I still prefer Eclipse to Visual Studio.NET, but really you will get more "bang for the buck" if you don't have to go through a learning curve.
I completely know what you mean. When I was looking for a job, if you did not have some Java cert, then forget about it. It is very frusterating.
It seems like the test or the cert gets in the door (may even gets you the job), but it does not equate to the best person for the job.
It is just unfortunate that throwing a test at something is supposed to measure a person's qualification. It simply measures how good a person can take a test. There is just too much emphasis on test taking skills.
I completely agree. The last place I worked at, our "Lead Developer" was a journalism major and the Tech Lead was an adminstrative assistant at a prior job.
We even tried to hire a guy fresh out of college and he turned us down b/c another company hired him as a "manager" with 6 people underneath him!!
That was a couple of years ago, but with all of the complaints about not finding jobs now is b/c (IMHO) the jobs before never should have been available to those in the first place.
I am not saving an journalism or admin assistant could not become excellent programmers, but there is SOME problem solving skills needed.
The equation speaks for itself. I love the current theory that having a certification or the ability to rattle off words or phrases or specs makes you "smart".
The "smartest" people I have had the pleasure to work with are thoses that are open to other ideas and actually DON'T claim to know everything. They do know how to find solutions and in most cases the solutions were somebody else's.
The "know-it-alls" either ended up in the corner or on the street. Yes, they will always be able to find another job, but cycle continues. Plus, team skills are more important than individual skills. Know your role.
But, would you be saying the same thing had Kerry won? It just seems like there is a lot of, "Well, things didn't go MY way, so I will just take my toys and go home." That just seems childish to me.
Also, last I checked, abortion is perfectly legal in the United States.
What is funny is in your orginal statement, you claimed it was not in "your" morals to call somebody who disagreed with you a traitor, but you have no problem refering to somebody as a "wacko" and somebody who voted for Bush as "scum". Interesting. Do as I say not as I type, right?
I am not really sure how this became the topic, my main point was that people were talking about voting for Bush as un-American and then when the election did not go their way, they are going to "bail" on America!!! My feeling is that if you don't like the outcome, then convince (don't name call) your opponents to vote the other way. Use the system and get your views across, don't just throw your hands up and flee.
You act like Bush simply needs to suggest something and it becomes law. It doesn't work that way. Bush is going to push for laws that favor his views (as would Kerry). What else would you expect them to do? However, they still need to be voted on.
It was a hard fought election, but it is now over. It is time to be Americans and use the American system to "improve" the country.
Also, I saw the Jon Stewart thing. He chastised two other windbag "entertainers". They call themselves reporters or analysts, but I think even Stewart got to admit they were entertainers. An entertainer standing up to another entertainer really isn't that admirable.
I believe Hitler never did anything to people here in America, so maybe we should have not gone after him either.
Also with that logic why don't you just leave your doors unlocked and wait to lock them after somebody has broken in.
My morals tell me that it is wrong to push my religion down other people's throats.
My morals tell me that it is wrong, in a free society, to call people who disagree with me traitors.
Yeah, but somebody tells you they are a Christian and suddenly they are a "fanatic", right?
Hello, pot? You're black!
You are right that America is great because of its morals, but it is these morals that make it so. Forcing unwilling people at gunpoint to have babies is not a moral action, and certainly nothing to base a country on. So you see, in this election actual morals lost to forcing certain religious beliefs down peoples throats. ...It's the same attitude that caused freedom of religion to be put in the constitution in the first place.
Oh well, it lasted 200 years which is much longer than they thought it would.
Somebody was forced at gunpoint to have an a baby? Link, please. Also, I don't think any mosques have been burned down, again, can you provide a link? You don't think you have freedom of religion?
Also, when did Jon Stewart suddenly become so intelligent. He is a comedian with very good writers!! Craig Kilborn used to host the Daily Show, how come he shouldn't be President? Don't get me wrong, I think the Daily Show is good entertainment and Jon Stewart is a good entertainer, but please quit making him out to something he is not!! Did you ever watch any of Jon Stewart's shows before he became host of the Daily Show? Did you know that he had any?
WOW - what a difference a day makes. Yesterday was how un-American it would be to vote for Bush and how he divides the country and now with Bush winning, it's "America is going to HELL" and "I'm moving to Canada." Who is really dividing America? I understand having passion for your beliefs, but now it is time to join together!!! America is great because of its individuals and its morals.