Tell them you would just like to go ahead and cancel your account. If they don't waive the fee, you should. There are many banks and alternatives. BTW, stop using a debit card for anything other than an ATM. If your debit card is compromised, they get your money. If your credit card is compromised, they get the credit card companies money. Which do you think is easier to deal with?
In my opinion, the best description of the differences between these three classes of hackers is the following:
White hat: They will only use their knowledge for defensive capabilities. Creating a new virus in a lab setting that is only used to improve mitigation techniques would still be defensive measure.
Gray hat: They will do offensive hacking, but only when they feel it is for a moral purpose. Breaking into a database or website to track down "bad" people is a great example of moral ambiguity that falls into the gray category.
Black hat: They will break things for fun and profit.
If you accept these definitions, the actions described in the article are definitely not white hat. As a matter of fact, if you actually RTFA the title is "Black ops: how HBGary wrote backdoors for the government" I did not see any mention of white hat in the article.
Aside from the poor choice of words in the/. headline, I don't see the big deal. I did not see anything outside what I would assume is normal.
I thought the coolest insight was how Greg Hoglund does some of his research.
There is significant precedent in copyright law that lists of facts or data cannot be copyrighted.
See, e.g. Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Tel. Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991)
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That's great. Mr. Schoenfeld may eventually win. But I see the real problem here is a government funded entity "going after" the little guy for something absolutely absurd. MTA has unlimited funds. (thanks to the bottomless pockets of taxpayers) Mr. Schoenfeld may go bankrupt proving his innocence.
I joined the military to pay my way through college. My family always stressed the importance of education. After spending all that time getting a bachelor's in IT, I'm worse off than my uneducated parents. I frequently think I would have been much better off being a plumber or an electrician. At least those jobs require a license, some skill and can't be sent overseas. (i.e. manufacturing and IT) What good is an education if no one will pay you to use it?
The entire time I was in the military I had to endure the Kentucky jokes. Now this has to top everything negative to hit the news outside the state. This blatant disregard of international commerce treaties further enforces Steve Beshear's place as the absolute worst governor Kentucky has ever seen. The federal government needs to step in immediately and slap this idiot down. He's already belittled the people of Kentucky publicly inferring we're a bunch of backwards racists because we supported Clinton over Obama. Now, unhappy with national coverage, he gives us an international black eye. Steve Beshear is a egomaniac on the loose. Someone needs to reign him in.
If nothing else, this is clearly federal jurisdiction since it is international. I truly hope Steve Beshear is run out of Frankfort on a rail before he embarrasses us again.
Tom Yager at InfoWorld is an Apple fanboy. He's a joke. If you read his column over a relatively short period of time, you will see he doesn't have a clue. He's such a crackpot that I don't trust anything printed in Infoworld anymore. If the editors let such an obviously clueless person have a column, you can't trust anything they print.
I was about to make a similar post. We have a few hundred servers. From old Compaq's, mostly HP DL380's and most recently Dell. Across the board, service seems to be an afterthought. So far Dell seems to be the best I've dealt with. At least the operators speak the native language of the caller. IBM has been great on the big hardware but they suck eggs in the Intel server space.
I spent a few years overseas so I am fairly tolerant of dealing with language barriers. But mix a language barrier with a person that it completely and utterly incompetent and you have a recipe for disaster.
My last call to HP took 45 minutes to get the part I needed. Right off the bat, I explained the problem and told them the part number for the motherboard I needed. The poor incompetent Indian ran me through a long script. He put me on hold several times to "look things up". After 44 wasted minutes I cut him off when he asked me to check the cable on the hot swap fan. I explained that the fans do not connect using a cable and that I was done with his script. I said, "Stop what you're doing and send me the part." I was polite but firm. He sent the part, all was well.
I feel sorry for the guys struggling to answer these calls. I don't blame them. I blame HP and IBM for trying to save money by using incompetent people that are unable to effectively communicate with their customers.
Another instance took two weeks to get a part from HP. Our service agreement is for next day parts. They actually told me it's out of stock and we'll send it as soon as we get it. But if you upgrade your service plan, we will ship you one today. When they finally released the part, they sent the wrong part. Luckily the parts hub is only 20 minutes away so the courier was able to go get the correct part.
So, what can you do when your vendor doesn't meet your service agreement? So what good is the service agreement? It's only as good as the vendor.
Yes, I'd say reliable service is a thing of the past. And no, I didn't get a raise either.
I liked newegg for a few years. I had ordered thousands of dollars of equipment from them for my consulting gig. Then out of the blue, on a $2K+ order, they put it on hold and would not ship it out. They did not notify me until a day after I had made the order.
I called once and was reasonable. I explained that it was the same shipping address and credit card I had been using for a few years with them. I asked them to pull up my order history of 20 or so orders to show that I was a regular customer and that nothing was out of the ordinary. The person I spoke with was absolutely no help and couldn't even tell me how to fix their issue. After another frustrating and angry phone call where I was passed up the line, I got them to ship it. But they had an attitude and were not helpful at all. The order was not an unusually high amount for me. And it was being shipped to the same shipping address I had been using with them for two years using the same credit card. They put me two days behind and left a bad taste in my mouth.
The rest of the world opted into our network. They should be grateful we provided the framework for third world countries to gain communication channels to the rest of the world. We should not give up something we developed just because the rest of the world doesn't like us right now. If they don't like the internet, they can opt out and start their own.
All the poor analogies aside, this isn't like anything else. Stop trying to boil down a complex issue to the lowest common denominator.
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Tell them you would just like to go ahead and cancel your account. If they don't waive the fee, you should. There are many banks and alternatives. BTW, stop using a debit card for anything other than an ATM. If your debit card is compromised, they get your money. If your credit card is compromised, they get the credit card companies money. Which do you think is easier to deal with?
In my opinion, the best description of the differences between these three classes of hackers is the following:
White hat: They will only use their knowledge for defensive capabilities. Creating a new virus in a lab setting that is only used to improve mitigation techniques would still be defensive measure.
Gray hat: They will do offensive hacking, but only when they feel it is for a moral purpose. Breaking into a database or website to track down "bad" people is a great example of moral ambiguity that falls into the gray category.
Black hat: They will break things for fun and profit.
If you accept these definitions, the actions described in the article are definitely not white hat. As a matter of fact, if you actually RTFA the title is "Black ops: how HBGary wrote backdoors for the government" I did not see any mention of white hat in the article.
Aside from the poor choice of words in the /. headline, I don't see the big deal. I did not see anything outside what I would assume is normal.
I thought the coolest insight was how Greg Hoglund does some of his research.
There is significant precedent in copyright law that lists of facts or data cannot be copyrighted.
See, e.g. Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Tel. Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991) Link
That's great. Mr. Schoenfeld may eventually win. But I see the real problem here is a government funded entity "going after" the little guy for something absolutely absurd. MTA has unlimited funds. (thanks to the bottomless pockets of taxpayers) Mr. Schoenfeld may go bankrupt proving his innocence.
Sounds like Cap and Trade will not apply to the government.
I joined the military to pay my way through college. My family always stressed the importance of education. After spending all that time getting a bachelor's in IT, I'm worse off than my uneducated parents. I frequently think I would have been much better off being a plumber or an electrician. At least those jobs require a license, some skill and can't be sent overseas. (i.e. manufacturing and IT) What good is an education if no one will pay you to use it?
The entire time I was in the military I had to endure the Kentucky jokes. Now this has to top everything negative to hit the news outside the state. This blatant disregard of international commerce treaties further enforces Steve Beshear's place as the absolute worst governor Kentucky has ever seen. The federal government needs to step in immediately and slap this idiot down. He's already belittled the people of Kentucky publicly inferring we're a bunch of backwards racists because we supported Clinton over Obama. Now, unhappy with national coverage, he gives us an international black eye. Steve Beshear is a egomaniac on the loose. Someone needs to reign him in.
If nothing else, this is clearly federal jurisdiction since it is international. I truly hope Steve Beshear is run out of Frankfort on a rail before he embarrasses us again.
Are you trolling? I use the heck out of newsgroups.
alt.crafts.blacksmithing
alt.guitar.beginner
rec.crafts.brewing
rec.crafts.metalworking
rec.motorcycles
rec.motorcycles.harley
All have had interesting things for me recently. IMO the biggest problem is spam.
Tom Yager at InfoWorld is an Apple fanboy. He's a joke. If you read his column over a relatively short period of time, you will see he doesn't have a clue. He's such a crackpot that I don't trust anything printed in Infoworld anymore. If the editors let such an obviously clueless person have a column, you can't trust anything they print.
I was about to make a similar post. We have a few hundred servers. From old Compaq's, mostly HP DL380's and most recently Dell. Across the board, service seems to be an afterthought. So far Dell seems to be the best I've dealt with. At least the operators speak the native language of the caller. IBM has been great on the big hardware but they suck eggs in the Intel server space. I spent a few years overseas so I am fairly tolerant of dealing with language barriers. But mix a language barrier with a person that it completely and utterly incompetent and you have a recipe for disaster. My last call to HP took 45 minutes to get the part I needed. Right off the bat, I explained the problem and told them the part number for the motherboard I needed. The poor incompetent Indian ran me through a long script. He put me on hold several times to "look things up". After 44 wasted minutes I cut him off when he asked me to check the cable on the hot swap fan. I explained that the fans do not connect using a cable and that I was done with his script. I said, "Stop what you're doing and send me the part." I was polite but firm. He sent the part, all was well. I feel sorry for the guys struggling to answer these calls. I don't blame them. I blame HP and IBM for trying to save money by using incompetent people that are unable to effectively communicate with their customers. Another instance took two weeks to get a part from HP. Our service agreement is for next day parts. They actually told me it's out of stock and we'll send it as soon as we get it. But if you upgrade your service plan, we will ship you one today. When they finally released the part, they sent the wrong part. Luckily the parts hub is only 20 minutes away so the courier was able to go get the correct part. So, what can you do when your vendor doesn't meet your service agreement? So what good is the service agreement? It's only as good as the vendor. Yes, I'd say reliable service is a thing of the past. And no, I didn't get a raise either.
I liked newegg for a few years. I had ordered thousands of dollars of equipment from them for my consulting gig. Then out of the blue, on a $2K+ order, they put it on hold and would not ship it out. They did not notify me until a day after I had made the order. I called once and was reasonable. I explained that it was the same shipping address and credit card I had been using for a few years with them. I asked them to pull up my order history of 20 or so orders to show that I was a regular customer and that nothing was out of the ordinary. The person I spoke with was absolutely no help and couldn't even tell me how to fix their issue. After another frustrating and angry phone call where I was passed up the line, I got them to ship it. But they had an attitude and were not helpful at all. The order was not an unusually high amount for me. And it was being shipped to the same shipping address I had been using with them for two years using the same credit card. They put me two days behind and left a bad taste in my mouth.
The rest of the world opted into our network. They should be grateful we provided the framework for third world countries to gain communication channels to the rest of the world. We should not give up something we developed just because the rest of the world doesn't like us right now. If they don't like the internet, they can opt out and start their own. All the poor analogies aside, this isn't like anything else. Stop trying to boil down a complex issue to the lowest common denominator.
Now it all makes sense. I was high when I took the ACT and the ASVAB. The pressure didn't get to me, so I got high scores.