Why do you think that a business on the internet should be that different from a business at a storefront. If the person who's picture on the wall come in with a fake mustache and dark sunglasses, he will probably not be recognized and get away with passing off a bad check a second time. Same as changing your IP address. The point is that the IP address block isn't the real point, the cease and desist letter is notification to you that you are not allowed in. If you come back, even without the IP address block, then you are trespassing. Since it isn't a real store where trespassing would be the term, then unauthorized access is the term. Things are different than the real world, but the rights of a business to kick people out of their place of business should not change just because they are on a computer rather than in a store.
Blocking the IP address is like putting up the picture of people who bounce checks. It won't stop the person from coming back and trying again, but maybe the cashier will notice it's them and stop them.
I don't have a theory. All I know is the official story is straight BS. When they get caught lying over and over and have proven that they have no respect for the truth or the public people then there is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. And when their story is full of holes and makes no sense it reinforces the view that they are lying about it. Steel softening makes sense, pancaking at the speed of freefall does not. Having most of the plane melted to nothing, but finding one of the terrorists drivers licences sitting on the ground in the rubble just a short while after the attack also makes no sense. Don't terrorists keep those in their wallets in their pants? Ignoring an entire building in the official story is just poor work. They couldn't even come up with a good lie so they just dropped it. Obviously when the people don't question them on this, then it really doesn't matter if they could come up with a good lie or not, so why bother.
I also love how conspiracy has become a bad word meaning nut-case imaginings. A google search on the definition comes up with this. A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. I would say the NSA spying is a conspiracy. Just because most people aren't in on it, doesn't mean there are a few people planning things in the government that are illegal and wrong.
I don't see that they need to have passwords for the users to tell some of them that they can't use the service. I don't need a private pass or key to get into a bar, but they sure can kick me out and tell me I can't come back in if they want to. And if I try to enter they have the right to call the police or even have their bouncer throw me out. And that verbal information isn't even given by a lawyer through certified mail. Why can't Craigslist tell someone that they aren't welcome back and when they try to come back then take them to court. Seems pretty similar to me.
Ok, good point. C&D is only from the lawyer not from a court. If a court had told 3tap to stop then I would think they were completely in the wrong. Since it was only Craigslist telling them to stop it is a little more murky. Doesn't a business have the right to refuse service, even if it's a store that is open to the public. Kinda sounds like that maybe. I don't like the misuse of the CFAA and the precedent it sets to be used in any case where someone changes their IP or breaks a stupid TOS or whatever. But when the business tells you that they don't want you coming back then you have been warned at least.
Because it is kinda stupid to believe things that are told to you by someone that has been lying to you over and over again. The reasons we go fight wars are lies, the oversight of the spying agencies are lies. Our government is being run by criminals that are breaking the law and telling us it's ok and we can't do anything about it. Every way that the US has entered was started by a false flag operation, where they deliberately got americans killed so we would have justification to enter the war. Boats of passengers sent into German waters, letting japanese planes have free attack on Pearl Harbor. Why would the war on terrorism be any different. They knew what was up that day and figured it would be good to give them the authority to attack wherever they wanted and pass the laws they wanted. So when a building that took almost no damage suddenly falls down and they don't even make up a story to explain it, you just accept it as the will of your masters. Well I don't. When the pentagon gets hit with a plane, but there are no marks where the wings and tail should be, you just accept it as the masters tell you to, well I don't. Keep believing the lies if you want to, I'm sure it makes your world seem a much nicer place to be.
But isn't a cease and desist still a court order? So if a person has a restraining order, then it's ok for them to come look in the windows anyway? You have me confused here. To me it seems that they broke a court order telling them not to do what they did, and they did it anyway. And that sounds similar to someone having a restraining order that came to the sidewalk in front of your house anyway.
I guess I just don't see voting will change anything. As long as we have the two parties in name but not in action system people just vote so the wrong lizard doesn't get voted in. Plus, most laws are made by the voted in people, not by the people themselves. And even when you do get an initiative on the ballet you have to fight against the media and the money that shouts you into oblivion.
Don't get me wrong, I do like your idea. I guess I just don't think we will see change happen without a massive collapse of the current powers that control the system, either through revolution or through economic collapse like the Soviet Union saw.
Craigslist cannot tell a single person or company that they cannot look at their freely available data they serve to the world through a cease and desist letter any more than I can send a letter telling one of my neighbors that they are hereby forbidden to look through my open windows.
But you can get a court to tell a neighbor they are forbidden to be within 500 yards of your windows. It's called a restraining order. If 3taps had a restraining order from visiting the Craigslist site would that make more sense to you?
Then why the cover up. No report on why it fell. No talk about that building at all. Most people don't even remember it happened. I don't know the truth. All I know is the official story does't hold water.
It sounds great! Up until the NSA sees what you are doing and decides to find one of the felonies that everyone breaks every day and throw you into a cell. Now who will take over the reigns? Whoever does will face the same problems. Or maybe they don't arrest you right off. Instead they make you install the backdoors into this new Open Government site so they can watch everyone who comes to it and track them as dissidents. It's a secret order, so you can't talk about it without going to jail, no passing Go. Then you will be in the same boat as Groklaw is in right now, shut down or be an NSA servant. They can also plant operatives into the organization to ensure that the laws and proposals turn into a cluster fuck. Then everyone gives up on the idea because it is as productive as Obama's We The People site. There is many things that an all powerful and uncontrolled government can do to stop anything that threatens it. And don't forget, they have the law on their side. If they say you are breaking the law, then that's a fact, no arguing about it.
I'm not sure a sting operation is legal when it isn't the police doing it. I do see the point about not knowing it was Prenda that was posting the torrents and that does make a certain sense. But wouldn't that let any company put their movies online and then sue anyone who came to watch them? I'll put the list in the slashdot favorite format for fun.
1. Make a website with misleading name
2. Post copyright material for viewing on website
3. . . (sue)
4. Profit
And considering that they can get much more money from lawsuits that the work usually sells for, this may be a good business model.
No, but attempting to hand the keys to anyone who passes by with a note that says take this free car would give implicit permission to drive it, wouldn't it?
And maybe you haven't noticed, but the US, UK, and a number of other European countries have all had a number of incidents of varying severity which have led to arrests, trials, and convictions. In a number of those cases the planned attack could have caused mass casualties.
The only arrests that get made are either after the fact or are setups done by the feds themselves. If the feds plan an entire terrorist operation and find some patsy to convince to drive the truck they get credit for stopping a terrorist attack. Even though there was no attack that was even remotely going to happen before they made all the plans and produced the fake bombs and everything. But you go ahead and keep defending them. We all know who butters your bread!
[Jedi hand wave] There was no building 7! This is not the building you are looking for. [End Jedi mind trick]
Seriously though, I find it amazing how many people don't even remember that there was another building that fell that day. And that there is no probably reason for it to fall.
Fine, they don't plan to prosecute then. Where do they get the right to destroy other people's property? The people claiming to be hunting for the terrorists are the true terrorists.
Plus it makes a difference when the creator of the GM is a for profit company that has proven themselves to care not one iota for the health and safety of humans or the environment. And it is their tests we have that say it is safe. Sorry, I will look for a non-interested party to test the substance and determine it is safe. Also, so Monsanto test ever goes over 3 months. That's not long enough for harmful effects to appear.
It couldn't be the fact that the child was up two hours past his bed time.
Yep. I can attest to the jolt of adrenaline that the kids get when they stay up later than their bed time. So without even having any sugar they can start to get wound up and bounce off the walls. I have also not seen any extra craziness after giving sugar to my child. Same behaviour as any other day. Of course this is just an anecdote and I would not base my beliefs on it. But it does make me question the "common wisdom" that you hear about children and sugar.
I'm starting to think that when our Government finally does cross the line (any reason to think that it eventually won't?) and large groups of people from demographics that are normally silent start protesting and "misbehaving", the stuff that our government's been purchasing and building will get some use. The DHS purchasing 2,700 armored vehicles is ridiculously unnecessary unless something like this comes to pass. KBR building a bunch of empty detention centers- same story.
What possible reason does our government have for purchasing Two Thousand, Seven Hundred heavily armored vehicles? Why in the hell does our government need nearly 1 billion dollars worth of empty detention facilities?
And since we know that the Government has been listening in to all communications they must be preparing for something. I guess a revolution is closer at hand that many would believe. It makes sense, they hear the talk getting louder so they prepare for the day when they will have to fight to keep control of the country.
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Why do you think that a business on the internet should be that different from a business at a storefront. If the person who's picture on the wall come in with a fake mustache and dark sunglasses, he will probably not be recognized and get away with passing off a bad check a second time. Same as changing your IP address. The point is that the IP address block isn't the real point, the cease and desist letter is notification to you that you are not allowed in. If you come back, even without the IP address block, then you are trespassing. Since it isn't a real store where trespassing would be the term, then unauthorized access is the term. Things are different than the real world, but the rights of a business to kick people out of their place of business should not change just because they are on a computer rather than in a store.
Blocking the IP address is like putting up the picture of people who bounce checks. It won't stop the person from coming back and trying again, but maybe the cashier will notice it's them and stop them.
I don't have a theory. All I know is the official story is straight BS. When they get caught lying over and over and have proven that they have no respect for the truth or the public people then there is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. And when their story is full of holes and makes no sense it reinforces the view that they are lying about it. Steel softening makes sense, pancaking at the speed of freefall does not. Having most of the plane melted to nothing, but finding one of the terrorists drivers licences sitting on the ground in the rubble just a short while after the attack also makes no sense. Don't terrorists keep those in their wallets in their pants? Ignoring an entire building in the official story is just poor work. They couldn't even come up with a good lie so they just dropped it. Obviously when the people don't question them on this, then it really doesn't matter if they could come up with a good lie or not, so why bother.
I also love how conspiracy has become a bad word meaning nut-case imaginings. A google search on the definition comes up with this. A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. I would say the NSA spying is a conspiracy. Just because most people aren't in on it, doesn't mean there are a few people planning things in the government that are illegal and wrong.
I don't see that they need to have passwords for the users to tell some of them that they can't use the service. I don't need a private pass or key to get into a bar, but they sure can kick me out and tell me I can't come back in if they want to. And if I try to enter they have the right to call the police or even have their bouncer throw me out. And that verbal information isn't even given by a lawyer through certified mail. Why can't Craigslist tell someone that they aren't welcome back and when they try to come back then take them to court. Seems pretty similar to me.
Ok, good point. C&D is only from the lawyer not from a court. If a court had told 3tap to stop then I would think they were completely in the wrong. Since it was only Craigslist telling them to stop it is a little more murky. Doesn't a business have the right to refuse service, even if it's a store that is open to the public. Kinda sounds like that maybe. I don't like the misuse of the CFAA and the precedent it sets to be used in any case where someone changes their IP or breaks a stupid TOS or whatever. But when the business tells you that they don't want you coming back then you have been warned at least.
Because it is kinda stupid to believe things that are told to you by someone that has been lying to you over and over again. The reasons we go fight wars are lies, the oversight of the spying agencies are lies. Our government is being run by criminals that are breaking the law and telling us it's ok and we can't do anything about it. Every way that the US has entered was started by a false flag operation, where they deliberately got americans killed so we would have justification to enter the war. Boats of passengers sent into German waters, letting japanese planes have free attack on Pearl Harbor. Why would the war on terrorism be any different. They knew what was up that day and figured it would be good to give them the authority to attack wherever they wanted and pass the laws they wanted. So when a building that took almost no damage suddenly falls down and they don't even make up a story to explain it, you just accept it as the will of your masters. Well I don't. When the pentagon gets hit with a plane, but there are no marks where the wings and tail should be, you just accept it as the masters tell you to, well I don't. Keep believing the lies if you want to, I'm sure it makes your world seem a much nicer place to be.
But isn't a cease and desist still a court order? So if a person has a restraining order, then it's ok for them to come look in the windows anyway? You have me confused here. To me it seems that they broke a court order telling them not to do what they did, and they did it anyway. And that sounds similar to someone having a restraining order that came to the sidewalk in front of your house anyway.
I guess I just don't see voting will change anything. As long as we have the two parties in name but not in action system people just vote so the wrong lizard doesn't get voted in. Plus, most laws are made by the voted in people, not by the people themselves. And even when you do get an initiative on the ballet you have to fight against the media and the money that shouts you into oblivion.
Don't get me wrong, I do like your idea. I guess I just don't think we will see change happen without a massive collapse of the current powers that control the system, either through revolution or through economic collapse like the Soviet Union saw.
I think some of the people here use their skulls as crumple zones. Plenty of empty space in there.
On a car, the roof needs to be sturdy.
Trying to sell something that can be got for free is unlikely to be highly profitable.
Bottled Water.
I am not aware of free bottled water. Water from the tap or from a river may be free, but the bottled stuff that I have seen costs money.
Silly child, laws are for the plebes. The TLA's don't follow the laws, they enforce the laws as they desire.
Craigslist cannot tell a single person or company that they cannot look at their freely available data they serve to the world through a cease and desist letter any more than I can send a letter telling one of my neighbors that they are hereby forbidden to look through my open windows.
But you can get a court to tell a neighbor they are forbidden to be within 500 yards of your windows. It's called a restraining order. If 3taps had a restraining order from visiting the Craigslist site would that make more sense to you?
Then why the cover up. No report on why it fell. No talk about that building at all. Most people don't even remember it happened. I don't know the truth. All I know is the official story does't hold water.
It sounds great! Up until the NSA sees what you are doing and decides to find one of the felonies that everyone breaks every day and throw you into a cell. Now who will take over the reigns? Whoever does will face the same problems. Or maybe they don't arrest you right off. Instead they make you install the backdoors into this new Open Government site so they can watch everyone who comes to it and track them as dissidents. It's a secret order, so you can't talk about it without going to jail, no passing Go. Then you will be in the same boat as Groklaw is in right now, shut down or be an NSA servant. They can also plant operatives into the organization to ensure that the laws and proposals turn into a cluster fuck. Then everyone gives up on the idea because it is as productive as Obama's We The People site. There is many things that an all powerful and uncontrolled government can do to stop anything that threatens it. And don't forget, they have the law on their side. If they say you are breaking the law, then that's a fact, no arguing about it.
True! So unstable that there was half a dozen buildings that fell. Oh. . .wait, what?
Yep, these criminals have the full force of the government behind them!
I'm not sure a sting operation is legal when it isn't the police doing it. I do see the point about not knowing it was Prenda that was posting the torrents and that does make a certain sense. But wouldn't that let any company put their movies online and then sue anyone who came to watch them? I'll put the list in the slashdot favorite format for fun.
1. Make a website with misleading name
2. Post copyright material for viewing on website
3. . . (sue)
4. Profit
And considering that they can get much more money from lawsuits that the work usually sells for, this may be a good business model.
No, but attempting to hand the keys to anyone who passes by with a note that says take this free car would give implicit permission to drive it, wouldn't it?
And maybe you haven't noticed, but the US, UK, and a number of other European countries have all had a number of incidents of varying severity which have led to arrests, trials, and convictions. In a number of those cases the planned attack could have caused mass casualties.
The only arrests that get made are either after the fact or are setups done by the feds themselves. If the feds plan an entire terrorist operation and find some patsy to convince to drive the truck they get credit for stopping a terrorist attack. Even though there was no attack that was even remotely going to happen before they made all the plans and produced the fake bombs and everything. But you go ahead and keep defending them. We all know who butters your bread!
[Jedi hand wave] There was no building 7! This is not the building you are looking for. [End Jedi mind trick]
Seriously though, I find it amazing how many people don't even remember that there was another building that fell that day. And that there is no probably reason for it to fall.
Fine, they don't plan to prosecute then. Where do they get the right to destroy other people's property? The people claiming to be hunting for the terrorists are the true terrorists.
Yep, the publishers forget that the black market is a part of the free market.
Plus it makes a difference when the creator of the GM is a for profit company that has proven themselves to care not one iota for the health and safety of humans or the environment. And it is their tests we have that say it is safe. Sorry, I will look for a non-interested party to test the substance and determine it is safe. Also, so Monsanto test ever goes over 3 months. That's not long enough for harmful effects to appear.
It couldn't be the fact that the child was up two hours past his bed time.
Yep. I can attest to the jolt of adrenaline that the kids get when they stay up later than their bed time. So without even having any sugar they can start to get wound up and bounce off the walls. I have also not seen any extra craziness after giving sugar to my child. Same behaviour as any other day. Of course this is just an anecdote and I would not base my beliefs on it. But it does make me question the "common wisdom" that you hear about children and sugar.
I'm starting to think that when our Government finally does cross the line (any reason to think that it eventually won't?) and large groups of people from demographics that are normally silent start protesting and "misbehaving", the stuff that our government's been purchasing and building will get some use. The DHS purchasing 2,700 armored vehicles is ridiculously unnecessary unless something like this comes to pass. KBR building a bunch of empty detention centers- same story.
What possible reason does our government have for purchasing Two Thousand, Seven Hundred heavily armored vehicles? Why in the hell does our government need nearly 1 billion dollars worth of empty detention facilities?
And since we know that the Government has been listening in to all communications they must be preparing for something. I guess a revolution is closer at hand that many would believe. It makes sense, they hear the talk getting louder so they prepare for the day when they will have to fight to keep control of the country.