Well, how many people are going to die of preventable disease or hunger while we build the newest supercarrier, the U.S.S. George H. W. Bush? Hmmm??
Going to the moon at least did something for humanity, it gave us a vision, showed us that we could achieve just about anything! This supercarrier's sole purpose to is wage war and kill other humans.
Oh god, not another Space Elevator argument... yah yah yah, carbon nanotubes yadda yadda. We have BEEN to the moon. Inarguable fact. No one has yet created 20,000km long carbon nanotubes. Waiting for one to begin the other is like waiting for the internal combustion engine before inventing the wheel.
Cameras have these things called lens shades, so do telescopes. Telescopes can make observations while the sun is still up, just not during full daylight due to the light scattering effect of the atmosphere.
The astronauts on the moon saw the sun, and stars, so would a telescope. A telescope on the moon would have almost 30 uninterrupted days of stellar observation, except for anything close to light emitters, like Earth and the Sun.
Homosexuals were burned? Really? In a concerted effort, like witches and heretics?? How come I've never heard this before?
I don't think Americans, yes, we've been Americans for 50+ years, we're STILL AMERICANS! want to keep this aspect of our history alive (should it be true), at least not most of us.
I too consider it an insult. UKians... oh that's a good one;-)
There's a potential, possibly unexplored answer (I haven't seen the movie yet).
The machines are obviously capable of extreme mental control/reception. The possibility that machines could recognize agents/other machines inside a human by virtue of their mental patterns exists, such that a squiddy would accept a flesh-bag exuding this pattern as a fellow machine. It would be a way of the machines jumping into humans, being able to communicate back to it's fellow machines, as a fail safe.
I could see an explanation for it, I'm just not sure they explore it.
But you are correct, I ignored the atrophying aspect of Neo's awakening.
Yea, I also read Lord of the Rings before seeing the movie, big deal. I can let something stand on it's own merits (which makes me remarkably different from all my friends apparently).:-/
I guess it has something to do with it's dictionary definition: bundle of sticks.
In Europe, a pack of cigarettes is called a faggot. In America (U.S.) a homosexual man is derogatorily referred to as a faggot, put two gay men together, and voila... bundle of sticks...
Right, not stupid enough to trust her BOFH husband from reading her mail from her latin lovers, but stupid enough to use a computer that he could put sniffers, keystroke loggers and cache traps on to read mail from her latin lovers? Right....
It's probably because he's crashing the damn thing every other day.:-)
It's a misdirection. No HUMAN really knew why machines kept humans around, so had to deduce why, from these giant towers of human-pods, conducting electricity....
When in reality, the Matrix is a simple experiment to teach machines how to BE humans.
Think about it. You are a member of a species that has been beaten nearly to extinction. You are about (in 12 - 20 hours) to face your greatest nemesis, your killers. You are going to fight, and odds are, nearly 100% of you are going to die. What are you going to do? Sit around and ponder life, the universe and everything?
No, you're going to go find yourself a nice warm piece of poontang, get jiggy with it, enjoy yourself a nice smoke, and THEN ponder life, the universe and everything. And also how many of the fuckers you're going to kill before you die the next day. And if you can throw a party that shakes the foundations of the earth so that those invaders drilling their way to your home KNOW you're not afraid of dying... you might just sow the seed of doubt in them.
Which was the whole fucking point of the movie. The machines want to be human, and the humans just want to LIVE and be free of CONTROL. I think the rave scene was aptly appropriate, although cinematically over-the-top.
But therein lies the bit, how does the "consciousness of Smith" understand the nuances of humanism? How does he operate the arms, the legs. We just take it at face value that he would, when in all likelihood, Smith jumping through Bane would be reduced to a useless mass of flesh, like Neo was upon his reawakening.
That part bothered me about Reloaded, along with how Neo "controlled" the squiddies. These machines are sentient beings, even the squiddies. You'd think there'd be more parlay, more interaction between this human who all of a sudden can understand and think machine, rather than to have them simply roll over and die.
Waiting for work to end so I can go see Revolutions.:-)
What is there to answer that the story and visuals do not leave wide open for you? It is not necessarily the purpose of the story to provide answers, but suggestions. What makes the Matrix compelling is the way in which mankind has been subsumed by machine-kind. Something Asimov has been writing about since WWII.
I don't think Ghost in the Shell dealt superficially with the nature of mankind. In fact, I think it dealt rather well with it. You have a machine-mind exploring it's frailties and contemplating it's own death, something we as humans may be able to extend by virtue of welding ourselves with machine components. The fact that Kusanagi is a veritable slave to her organization (and alludes as much very early in the movie), yet free to explore and live as much as possible.
The Matrix is plagued by bad acting, bad direction, and hype. First time I watched the Matrix, the whole theatre was enveloped in awe at the well choreographed exposure of Neo's world. The Wachowski brothers should have let the trilogy die on the vine with the first Matrix.
really, that's what the whole LSB project was to fix, no?
That an the silly requirement for a driver to match a particular kernel 2.4.18-4GB is not the same as 2.4.18-4GB-Athlon is just silly. Fix that, and you'll start to see closed source.o's in tarfiles instead.
ERRLOOK. It's a tool that's come with Dev Studio since day one.
Use it.;-) Love it... work it baby.
Anyhow, MS end-user documentation sucks rocks hard, but their developer documentation is pretty spot on 98% of the time. It's the other 2% of the time that sucks worse than GWB at a Terrorists United convention...
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Well, how many people are going to die of preventable disease or hunger while we build the newest supercarrier, the U.S.S. George H. W. Bush? Hmmm??
Going to the moon at least did something for humanity, it gave us a vision, showed us that we could achieve just about anything! This supercarrier's sole purpose to is wage war and kill other humans.
Based on your model, Columbus would never have discovered America if not subsidized by the Spanish government.
Oh god, not another Space Elevator argument... yah yah yah, carbon nanotubes yadda yadda. We have BEEN to the moon. Inarguable fact. No one has yet created 20,000km long carbon nanotubes. Waiting for one to begin the other is like waiting for the internal combustion engine before inventing the wheel.
Cameras have these things called lens shades, so do telescopes. Telescopes can make observations while the sun is still up, just not during full daylight due to the light scattering effect of the atmosphere.
The astronauts on the moon saw the sun, and stars, so would a telescope. A telescope on the moon would have almost 30 uninterrupted days of stellar observation, except for anything close to light emitters, like Earth and the Sun.
Where do you think the 3 degree cosmic background radiation comes from?
While a convenient explanation, you could just as easily attribute it to millions upon millions of dormant "baby black holes". Same thing.
oooo maybe Pioneer 10 is rushing headlong into Nemesis, Sol's partner black hole?!?!?!?! Quick call the Coast Guard!
</poor humor>
Homosexuals were burned? Really? In a concerted effort, like witches and heretics?? How come I've never heard this before?
;-)
I don't think Americans, yes, we've been Americans for 50+ years, we're STILL AMERICANS! want to keep this aspect of our history alive (should it be true), at least not most of us.
I too consider it an insult. UKians... oh that's a good one
There's a potential, possibly unexplored answer (I haven't seen the movie yet).
The machines are obviously capable of extreme mental control/reception. The possibility that machines could recognize agents/other machines inside a human by virtue of their mental patterns exists, such that a squiddy would accept a flesh-bag exuding this pattern as a fellow machine. It would be a way of the machines jumping into humans, being able to communicate back to it's fellow machines, as a fail safe.
I could see an explanation for it, I'm just not sure they explore it.
But you are correct, I ignored the atrophying aspect of Neo's awakening.
Yea, I also read Lord of the Rings before seeing the movie, big deal. I can let something stand on it's own merits (which makes me remarkably different from all my friends apparently). :-/
You sir, have provided the sole good explanation to my question, one I must confess I did not contemplate. Thanks!
I guess it has something to do with it's dictionary definition: bundle of sticks.
In Europe, a pack of cigarettes is called a faggot.
In America (U.S.) a homosexual man is derogatorily referred to as a faggot, put two gay men together, and voila... bundle of sticks...
Stupid really, but hey, not my fault!
Right, not stupid enough to trust her BOFH husband from reading her mail from her latin lovers, but stupid enough to use a computer that he could put sniffers, keystroke loggers and cache traps on to read mail from her latin lovers? Right....
:-)
It's probably because he's crashing the damn thing every other day.
you shouldn't have posted AC. I'd WANT to take credit for that quote... ;-)
Good one.
It's a misdirection. No HUMAN really knew why machines kept humans around, so had to deduce why, from these giant towers of human-pods, conducting electricity....
:-/ <sigh>
When in reality, the Matrix is a simple experiment to teach machines how to BE humans.
Couldn't see that coming a mile away...
Think about it. You are a member of a species that has been beaten nearly to extinction. You are about (in 12 - 20 hours) to face your greatest nemesis, your killers. You are going to fight, and odds are, nearly 100% of you are going to die. What are you going to do? Sit around and ponder life, the universe and everything?
No, you're going to go find yourself a nice warm piece of poontang, get jiggy with it, enjoy yourself a nice smoke, and THEN ponder life, the universe and everything. And also how many of the fuckers you're going to kill before you die the next day. And if you can throw a party that shakes the foundations of the earth so that those invaders drilling their way to your home KNOW you're not afraid of dying... you might just sow the seed of doubt in them.
Which was the whole fucking point of the movie. The machines want to be human, and the humans just want to LIVE and be free of CONTROL. I think the rave scene was aptly appropriate, although cinematically over-the-top.
But therein lies the bit, how does the "consciousness of Smith" understand the nuances of humanism? How does he operate the arms, the legs. We just take it at face value that he would, when in all likelihood, Smith jumping through Bane would be reduced to a useless mass of flesh, like Neo was upon his reawakening.
:-)
That part bothered me about Reloaded, along with how Neo "controlled" the squiddies. These machines are sentient beings, even the squiddies. You'd think there'd be more parlay, more interaction between this human who all of a sudden can understand and think machine, rather than to have them simply roll over and die.
Waiting for work to end so I can go see Revolutions.
-Chris
Right, daemonic tentacle rape is something that is very hard to illustrate in convential film-making techniques...
Although the La Blue Girl Live Action DVD's sure try.
What is there to answer that the story and visuals do not leave wide open for you? It is not necessarily the purpose of the story to provide answers, but suggestions. What makes the Matrix compelling is the way in which mankind has been subsumed by machine-kind. Something Asimov has been writing about since WWII.
I don't think Ghost in the Shell dealt superficially with the nature of mankind. In fact, I think it dealt rather well with it. You have a machine-mind exploring it's frailties and contemplating it's own death, something we as humans may be able to extend by virtue of welding ourselves with machine components. The fact that Kusanagi is a veritable slave to her organization (and alludes as much very early in the movie), yet free to explore and live as much as possible.
The Matrix is plagued by bad acting, bad direction, and hype. First time I watched the Matrix, the whole theatre was enveloped in awe at the well choreographed exposure of Neo's world. The Wachowski brothers should have let the trilogy die on the vine with the first Matrix.
Just MHO.
-Chris
Being a first-mover isn't necessarily equal to being good.
really, that's what the whole LSB project was to fix, no?
.o's in tarfiles instead.
That an the silly requirement for a driver to match a particular kernel 2.4.18-4GB is not the same as 2.4.18-4GB-Athlon is just silly. Fix that, and you'll start to see closed source
For now, RPMS it is.
He meant IIS 5. IIS 4.0 was available IIRC for NT Alpha.
On the flipside, it might just help out the budget deficit... ;-)
Oh really? I did not know that.
Remember the days before KLMs? Man that sucked. Having to recompile/link your kernel just to add a fscking serial driver port?
Long live KLMs!
PS: Whatever happened to Yggdrasil??
MessageBox... Hmm... Right off the top of my head I'd gather "Platform SDK -> UI". Just a guess, mind you.
ERRLOOK. It's a tool that's come with Dev Studio since day one.
;-) Love it... work it baby.
Use it.
Anyhow, MS end-user documentation sucks rocks hard, but their developer documentation is pretty spot on 98% of the time. It's the other 2% of the time that sucks worse than GWB at a Terrorists United convention...