Safari weighs in at 7.2 megs, Mozilla is 38.3 megs.
In all fairness, Mozilla has a full-blown email client, news reader, etc., included in that size.
A fairer comparison would be to Mozilla Phoenix, which is a browser only. Still considerably bigger than Safari but nowhere near the size of the fullblown Mozilla.
QNX - 3-4 years ago you could download a fully graphical web browser (on top of a 32-bit multi-threaded OS with IP stack) and run it from a single 1.44MB bootable floppy.
I'll leave it to the reader to find whether they still offer something similar on their site. (Yes, I'm too lazy to do it myself.)
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Of course, if the investing public at large learns this, then the analysts will have to readjust their ratings, introducing a new one - "Extra Strong Buy" that simply means buy, while "Strong Buy" will mean hold, "Buy" will mean sell, and so on.
And once the public catches on to that, . ..
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The three analysts who cover this stock have a hold rating, which in analyst-speak means sell.
Huh? I thought in anyalyst-speak that "hold" meant hold, and that "sell" meant sell. What does "buy" mean, hold? What does "sell" mean, buy?
I'm glad I read your post - all these years I've been misinterpreting these ratings
Hmmmm, you seem a little touchy about the subject, and you posted as an AC. One might be inclined to think you had an interest in SGI.
Perhaps you've purchased a LOT of SGI stock in the last year, MR. ROBERT R. BISHOP! Ha! Thought you could sneak in an anonymous post, but you underestimated the analytical and investigative abilities of us Slashdotters.
Nice try.
So, got any old O2's laying around gathering dust, that you don't need anymore?
"After all its the UML modelling software that MS wants, and if the IBM purchase of Rational goes through then MS has no modeller for their developers."
MS is setting up Visio as their UML modelling tool. We've found it to be more stable than Rose, even if it has fewer features. I wouldn't worry about that.
Borland now owns TogetherSoft, which in my opinion has the best modeling tool (though the price is up there with Rose), and a pretty good all-around development environment, which does support.NET development (don't know how well). Maybe somebody came to the realization that Visio had some architectural issues which prevented it from fulfilling that role without a major re-engineering effort. Or maybe they just want to kill the product, since it's still primarily known as a Java development tool.
But I still don't see it, I think Microsoft's best interests are served with a partnership with Borland... so they remain as a competitor
Microsoft doesn't need competitors anymore! The DOJ case is over. They only needed competitors while the case was open, hence major donations, er, um, I mean, investments in Borland, Apple, and Corel, to keep them from going under, all made while the case was open.
Cases are usually dragged out because, suprisingly, lawyers have a lot of work to do. What you see on "Law & Order" isn't even 10% of what actually happens during a case.
Hmmmm, so "Law & Order" is 60 minutes. Subtract 16 minutes of commercials, down to 44 minutes. Now subtract 27 minutes for the cops' investigation, and you're down to 17 minutes. So 17 minutes isn't even 10% of what actually happens in a case. Therefore what actually happens takes over 170 minutes, or about 3 hours.
The other 4 years, 364 days, 21 hours must consist of partys, golf outings, and yacht excursions.
I'm not sure how much traffic they get these days, but the InfoWorld website is XML based. I believe it uses server-side XSLT transforms to turn XML into HTML.
Also, don't assume that just because the URLs don't have ".xml" in them that the site isn't using XML - it's often transparent, such as when using Apache Cocoon
You state that abusing the power you have when you become a monopoly is illegal, but you think it's fine for Microsoft to gouge consumers and make an 89% profit margin? You don't think that constitutes abusing their monopoly power? Heck, people wouldn't pay $300 for a copy of XP Pro if they could get a 100% compatible OS for $29. The reason Microsoft can get $300 is because they have a monopoly.
I bought the book, and that's saying a lot because I'm very cheap. It's a great book that doesn't just teach you how to use Ant, it teaches you how to do lots of things with Ant, like build web services using the excellent Apache Axis, which can automatically create a web service from any Java class source file. It also teaches you how to use JUnit to do automated unit testing with Ant, how to use CruiseControl, etc., etc.
A lot of posters have complained that XML isn't very human-readable. I use and highly recommend a great little tool called Pollo. It has built in support for creating Ant build.xml files, as well as Cocoon sitemap files, XML schemas, etc. IMHO, it's got the best XML editing GUI I've found.
According to udpates at the bottom of this page, things aren't going so well for Uzi Nissan.
The latest:
September 2002
The previous court rulings did not end this case. Nissan Motors filed a second Motion for Summary Judgment trying (and has been successful) to get the Court to deprive me of the right to a jury trial on October 15, 2002. The Court, much to my surprise, changed its attitude on this issue and:
1. Changed the relevant date for "fame" from 1991 to 1994.
2. Found that no reasonable jury could find that Nissan was not famous by 1994.
3. Found that Nissan Computer and The Internet Center diluted Nissan Motor's trademark.
4. Found that the publication of information about this lawsuit, the comments made by many people -- on this www.ncchelp.org and my media campaign to bring this issue to the public, actually -- tarnished Nissan Motor's trademark.
Many legal experts view our case, not as a "law-breaking" case, but as a "law-making" case. The Court indicated during the hearing on this motion that certain aspects of this case may be creating new law as well.
The trial date has thus been taken off calendar and Nissan Motor is now asking the Court to take away my domain name from me entirely. We expect a ruling on this motion some time in November this year. Our legal team is evaluating our options, which evaluation can not be completed until we know the final ruling by the Court. We believe that the potential loss of our domain name in this fashion may set the wrong precedent for future cases and will open the door for any deep-pocket corporation to do the same. This may become "the law of the land" and may affect many others in a similar situation, it could affect you or someone you know.
This case received the attention of CBS Evening News, and has been looked at by other news agencies that have not yet published stories about it. Public attention to this type of corporate behavior is most important to get the issues properly debated. Your emails were very successful in CBS Evening News' decision to run a short story on this case. We are asking for your continued and crucial support by sending an email to the media and stating the importance of bringing these facts to the public. Remember that it was Public Opinion and Awareness that ended the Soviet Union, not missiles. Together we can make a difference.
For those not familiar with the Nissan issue - Uzi Nissan has a real company named Nissan Computers, which he started several years before the Internet "took off", IIRC in 1991. Technically, he even registered his domain before the internet "took off", IIRC in 1994.
"Nissan" is, and has been, his family name for many generations (whereas the other Nissan changed it's name from Datsun a couple decades ago).
Bill Wyman the writer should sue Bill Wyman the Stone for infringing on his name for the past 38 years, and should seek damages of about $50 million, claiming that William George Perks made a ton of money off of the Bill Wyman name that he stole.
Sounds like a job for Cocoon, an Apache XML project which allows multiple pipelines that transform content (in XML format) that target not only different browsers, but also different serializers which can translate the XML into different file formats including HTML, WML, PDF, VRML, SVG, and VoxML.
Cocoon, with its use of XSLT to transform XML data from one format to another, does a great job of separating content from layout (and other presentation), and of allowing the site developer to tweak the presentation based on the requesting client's needs and capabilities.
Cocoon is gaining popularity, there's one book now with a couple more comining out soon (note NO affiliate info in URLs):
If I were Novell, I'd be more interested in developing a Samba-style SMB server NLM to try to replace NT file and print servers
I've heard a lot of people making that suggestion, including members of the Samba team. The problem is that NetWare's file services are superior to NT's, so Novell isn't so anxious to emulate an NT server.
For example, NetWare has their "salvage" capability, in which deleted files can be restored. It's so powerful that it's been called "poor man's version control." Note for those who are security consious: the deleted files keep the same ACL they had before deletion, so they are never recoverable by somebody who didn't have rights to read them before they were deleted. Furthermore, individual files can be flagged as "purge immediate", and directories can be as well. Finally, the entire feature can be disabled.
Another advantage of NetWare file services is inherited rights, and the inherited rights filter. "Inherited rights" means that if you have a 50 GB disk that's got 175,000 files on it, and you want to grant one person read-rights to every file on the disk, you just grant them the read-right to the root, and you're done. Unlike NT, you don't have to wait 15 minutes for the rights to propagate through the entire filesystem. And if there's a branch of the directory tree that you don't ever want rights to flow into, you can add an inherited rights filter to prevent this from happening.
NetWare drivers also tend to be much more intelligent when copying files across the network. With NT, if you open up a folder that's on a server across the WAN, and copy a bunch of files to another folder on the same server, NT tends to pull the files across the WAN to your workstation, then send them back to the original server. Novell's been aware of and avoided this issue since the mid 1980's, when they first built NCOPY.EXE to avoid the problem in DOS.
If they implemented Samba, they'd lose some of their perceived technical advantage over NT, and they can't really afford to lose what little advantage they have.
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Show Off Your Skills
Normal.dot Katherine L. Trunkey
Microsoft Word 10.0
Notice the bold name. It appears that Katherine downloaded the Word document, opened it up, and then saved it to her hard drive. Little did she know that Word would stick her name in the document. This anonymous coward isn't so anonymous any more!
Sorry to continue this off-topic (or is it tangential?) thread, but the construction {|parms| statements} is called a code block and comes straight from Smalltalk. That construction allows Smalltalk and Ruby to pass around code as an object. About 10 years ago, version 5.x of Clipper, a dBase compiler that still has a pretty big following, added code blocks using a similar syntax.
Sorry if this is redundant, but frankly who cares about bigger hard drives? Is this really news?
Bigger hard drives come out constantly, and yet we continue to find ways to fill them up within a couple of months.
If someone had asked me 10 years ago whether we'd still be using hard drives with magnetic media and lots of moving parts in 2002, I'd have said "no way". About the only major progress we've made is in capacity, and we've made slight improvements in speed, while bringing cost down a bit. But we still have all the drawbacks of 10 years ago.
I guess it's too late now, but I think the prosecution should have called Steve McConnell as a witness. You know, the guy who's written a number of highly-respected software development books which tout such best practices as "de-coupling" (i.e., making it easy to do what the states what to do).
Assuming that Steve would be honest (he's not an employee, after all), it would be interesting to see the defense squirm when the author who Microsoft thinks enough of to feature all 3 of his MS Press books on their Best Practices page says that not only can Windows be made modular, but it's poorly designed if it isn't modular.
Yes, you are missing something. Windows XP embedded isn't offered for sale to consumers. It's only offered to OEMs, and in typical MS fashion, I'm certain the agreements these OEMs sign are incredibly restrictive. Furthermore, since the product is meant for specialized hardware platforms, it doesn't have normal OS features like the ability to install new applications.
When any firm chooses to hold cash rather than reinvest, it's a clear signal that the firm is not optimistic about its business outlook.
Naw, it's a sign of something else. It's a sign that they're a monopoly who makes more money than they know what to do with! They already have invested billions and billions in things that loose money, like the X-Box and the cable industry and MSN and MSIE. Heck, even NT Server and BackOffice probably weren't profitable until the last 2-3 years. They've accumulated $40 billion despite all those huge investments, because they have no competition in the desktop OS or office productivity markets, and thus can charge whatever they want. So they charge whatever maximizes profit. It's really just basic economic theory.
Windows and Microsoft shouldn't go out of its way to make it more difficult for non-MS apps to work well.
They don't, that's just anti-MS FUD.
Bullshit. You all can mod me down as flamebait, but I just can't let you get away with this lie. All one has to do is go back to the Caldera lawsuit, and read the transcripts. There was email after email between high-ranking MS execs coming up with a strategy to sabotage DR-DOS's perceived interoperability with Windows. They even went so far as to encrypt the code that displayed the "error" to make it harder to see that they were doing.
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Safari weighs in at 7.2 megs, Mozilla is 38.3 megs.
In all fairness, Mozilla has a full-blown email client, news reader, etc., included in that size.
A fairer comparison would be to Mozilla Phoenix, which is a browser only. Still considerably bigger than Safari but nowhere near the size of the fullblown Mozilla.QNX - 3-4 years ago you could download a fully graphical web browser (on top of a 32-bit multi-threaded OS with IP stack) and run it from a single 1.44MB bootable floppy.
I'll leave it to the reader to find whether they still offer something similar on their site. (Yes, I'm too lazy to do it myself.)
Of course, if the investing public at large learns this, then the analysts will have to readjust their ratings, introducing a new one - "Extra Strong Buy" that simply means buy, while "Strong Buy" will mean hold, "Buy" will mean sell, and so on.
And once the public catches on to that, . . .
The three analysts who cover this stock have a hold rating, which in analyst-speak means sell.
Huh? I thought in anyalyst-speak that "hold" meant hold, and that "sell" meant sell. What does "buy" mean, hold? What does "sell" mean, buy?
I'm glad I read your post - all these years I've been misinterpreting these ratings
Hmmmm, you seem a little touchy about the subject, and you posted as an AC. One might be inclined to think you had an interest in SGI.
Perhaps you've purchased a LOT of SGI stock in the last year, MR. ROBERT R. BISHOP! Ha! Thought you could sneak in an anonymous post, but you underestimated the analytical and investigative abilities of us Slashdotters.
Nice try.
So, got any old O2's laying around gathering dust, that you don't need anymore?
"After all its the UML modelling software that MS wants, and if the IBM purchase of Rational goes through then MS has no modeller for their developers."
MS is setting up Visio as their UML modelling tool. We've found it to be more stable than Rose, even if it has fewer features. I wouldn't worry about that.
Borland now owns TogetherSoft, which in my opinion has the best modeling tool (though the price is up there with Rose), and a pretty good all-around development environment, which does support .NET development (don't know how well). Maybe somebody came to the realization that Visio had some architectural issues which prevented it from fulfilling that role without a major re-engineering effort. Or maybe they just want to kill the product, since it's still primarily known as a Java development tool.
But I still don't see it, I think Microsoft's best interests are served with a partnership with Borland... so they remain as a competitor
Microsoft doesn't need competitors anymore! The DOJ case is over. They only needed competitors while the case was open, hence major donations, er, um, I mean, investments in Borland, Apple, and Corel, to keep them from going under, all made while the case was open.
I've got nothing against Amiga. But I do take umbrage with people who claim Amiga invented things they didn't.
Amiga - The Al Gore of Microcomputers.
Cases are usually dragged out because, suprisingly, lawyers have a lot of work to do. What you see on "Law & Order" isn't even 10% of what actually happens during a case.
Hmmmm, so "Law & Order" is 60 minutes. Subtract 16 minutes of commercials, down to 44 minutes. Now subtract 27 minutes for the cops' investigation, and you're down to 17 minutes. So 17 minutes isn't even 10% of what actually happens in a case. Therefore what actually happens takes over 170 minutes, or about 3 hours.
The other 4 years, 364 days, 21 hours must consist of partys, golf outings, and yacht excursions.
I'm not sure how much traffic they get these days, but the InfoWorld website is XML based. I believe it uses server-side XSLT transforms to turn XML into HTML.
Also, don't assume that just because the URLs don't have ".xml" in them that the site isn't using XML - it's often transparent, such as when using Apache Cocoon
You state that abusing the power you have when you become a monopoly is illegal, but you think it's fine for Microsoft to gouge consumers and make an 89% profit margin? You don't think that constitutes abusing their monopoly power? Heck, people wouldn't pay $300 for a copy of XP Pro if they could get a 100% compatible OS for $29. The reason Microsoft can get $300 is because they have a monopoly.
I bought the book, and that's saying a lot because I'm very cheap. It's a great book that doesn't just teach you how to use Ant, it teaches you how to do lots of things with Ant, like build web services using the excellent Apache Axis, which can automatically create a web service from any Java class source file. It also teaches you how to use JUnit to do automated unit testing with Ant, how to use CruiseControl, etc., etc.
A lot of posters have complained that XML isn't very human-readable. I use and highly recommend a great little tool called Pollo. It has built in support for creating Ant build.xml files, as well as Cocoon sitemap files, XML schemas, etc. IMHO, it's got the best XML editing GUI I've found.
According to udpates at the bottom of this page, things aren't going so well for Uzi Nissan.
The latest:
September 2002
The previous court rulings did not end this case. Nissan Motors filed a second Motion for Summary Judgment trying (and has been successful) to get the Court to deprive me of the right to a jury trial on October 15, 2002. The Court, much to my surprise, changed its attitude on this issue and:
1. Changed the relevant date for "fame" from 1991 to 1994.
2. Found that no reasonable jury could find that Nissan was not famous by 1994.
3. Found that Nissan Computer and The Internet Center diluted Nissan Motor's trademark.
4. Found that the publication of information about this lawsuit, the comments made by many people -- on this www.ncchelp.org and my media campaign to bring this issue to the public, actually -- tarnished Nissan Motor's trademark.
Many legal experts view our case, not as a "law-breaking" case, but as a "law-making" case. The Court indicated during the hearing on this motion that certain aspects of this case may be creating new law as well.
The trial date has thus been taken off calendar and Nissan Motor is now asking the Court to take away my domain name from me entirely. We expect a ruling on this motion some time in November this year. Our legal team is evaluating our options, which evaluation can not be completed until we know the final ruling by the Court. We believe that the potential loss of our domain name in this fashion may set the wrong precedent for future cases and will open the door for any deep-pocket corporation to do the same. This may become "the law of the land" and may affect many others in a similar situation, it could affect you or someone you know.
This case received the attention of CBS Evening News, and has been looked at by other news agencies that have not yet published stories about it. Public attention to this type of corporate behavior is most important to get the issues properly debated. Your emails were very successful in CBS Evening News' decision to run a short story on this case. We are asking for your continued and crucial support by sending an email to the media and stating the importance of bringing these facts to the public. Remember that it was Public Opinion and Awareness that ended the Soviet Union, not missiles. Together we can make a difference.
For those not familiar with the Nissan issue - Uzi Nissan has a real company named Nissan Computers, which he started several years before the Internet "took off", IIRC in 1991. Technically, he even registered his domain before the internet "took off", IIRC in 1994. "Nissan" is, and has been, his family name for many generations (whereas the other Nissan changed it's name from Datsun a couple decades ago).
Bill Wyman the writer should sue Bill Wyman the Stone for infringing on his name for the past 38 years, and should seek damages of about $50 million, claiming that William George Perks made a ton of money off of the Bill Wyman name that he stole.
Granted, but what about images?
I'm not sure what your point is. It would be easy to have XML describing the images, something like:
<Image>
<Source>images/tux.jpg</Source>
<Description>Linux Mascot</Description>
</Image>
So one of the transforms takes the description and generates an ALT tag for it.
Alternatively, binary images can be stored in the SVG XML format, and then converted to JPG or other formats by Cocoon.
Plus, it doesn't solve the problem of having so many includes to make everything completely dynamic that it doesn't slow down.
It actually does a pretty good job at this, because it caches things once they've been dynamically generated.
Nor does it support most of the techologies which have enriched the internet: . . . Flash . . . Animation . . .
I don't know too many people who would agree that Flash and animation have enriched the internet. I prefer substance myself. But then again I'm an old geezer who buys a stereo based on the quality of sound, not on the animated LCD displays, flashing LEDs, and sci-fi styling.
Sounds like a job for Cocoon, an Apache XML project which allows multiple pipelines that transform content (in XML format) that target not only different browsers, but also different serializers which can translate the XML into different file formats including HTML, WML, PDF, VRML, SVG, and VoxML.
Cocoon, with its use of XSLT to transform XML data from one format to another, does a great job of separating content from layout (and other presentation), and of allowing the site developer to tweak the presentation based on the requesting client's needs and capabilities.
Cocoon is gaining popularity, there's one book now with a couple more comining out soon (note NO affiliate info in URLs):
Cocoon: Building XML ApplicationsCocoon 2 Programming: Web Publishing with XML and Java
Cocoon Developer's Handbook
If I were Novell, I'd be more interested in developing a Samba-style SMB server NLM to try to replace NT file and print servers
I've heard a lot of people making that suggestion, including members of the Samba team. The problem is that NetWare's file services are superior to NT's, so Novell isn't so anxious to emulate an NT server.
For example, NetWare has their "salvage" capability, in which deleted files can be restored. It's so powerful that it's been called "poor man's version control." Note for those who are security consious: the deleted files keep the same ACL they had before deletion, so they are never recoverable by somebody who didn't have rights to read them before they were deleted. Furthermore, individual files can be flagged as "purge immediate", and directories can be as well. Finally, the entire feature can be disabled.
Another advantage of NetWare file services is inherited rights, and the inherited rights filter. "Inherited rights" means that if you have a 50 GB disk that's got 175,000 files on it, and you want to grant one person read-rights to every file on the disk, you just grant them the read-right to the root, and you're done. Unlike NT, you don't have to wait 15 minutes for the rights to propagate through the entire filesystem. And if there's a branch of the directory tree that you don't ever want rights to flow into, you can add an inherited rights filter to prevent this from happening.
NetWare drivers also tend to be much more intelligent when copying files across the network. With NT, if you open up a folder that's on a server across the WAN, and copy a bunch of files to another folder on the same server, NT tends to pull the files across the WAN to your workstation, then send them back to the original server. Novell's been aware of and avoided this issue since the mid 1980's, when they first built NCOPY.EXE to avoid the problem in DOS.
If they implemented Samba, they'd lose some of their perceived technical advantage over NT, and they can't really afford to lose what little advantage they have.Show Off Your Skills
Normal.dot
Katherine L. Trunkey
Microsoft Word 10.0
Notice the bold name. It appears that Katherine downloaded the Word document, opened it up, and then saved it to her hard drive. Little did she know that Word would stick her name in the document. This anonymous coward isn't so anonymous any more!
Sorry to continue this off-topic (or is it tangential?) thread, but the construction {|parms| statements} is called a code block and comes straight from Smalltalk. That construction allows Smalltalk and Ruby to pass around code as an object. About 10 years ago, version 5.x of Clipper, a dBase compiler that still has a pretty big following, added code blocks using a similar syntax.
Sorry if this is redundant, but frankly who cares about bigger hard drives? Is this really news?
Bigger hard drives come out constantly, and yet we continue to find ways to fill them up within a couple of months.
If someone had asked me 10 years ago whether we'd still be using hard drives with magnetic media and lots of moving parts in 2002, I'd have said "no way". About the only major progress we've made is in capacity, and we've made slight improvements in speed, while bringing cost down a bit. But we still have all the drawbacks of 10 years ago.
Where is all the innovation in mass-storage?
I guess it's too late now, but I think the prosecution should have called Steve McConnell as a witness. You know, the guy who's written a number of highly-respected software development books which tout such best practices as "de-coupling" (i.e., making it easy to do what the states what to do).
Assuming that Steve would be honest (he's not an employee, after all), it would be interesting to see the defense squirm when the author who Microsoft thinks enough of to feature all 3 of his MS Press books on their Best Practices page says that not only can Windows be made modular, but it's poorly designed if it isn't modular.Yes, you are missing something. Windows XP embedded isn't offered for sale to consumers. It's only offered to OEMs, and in typical MS fashion, I'm certain the agreements these OEMs sign are incredibly restrictive. Furthermore, since the product is meant for specialized hardware platforms, it doesn't have normal OS features like the ability to install new applications.
When any firm chooses to hold cash rather than reinvest, it's a clear signal that the firm is not optimistic about its business outlook.
Naw, it's a sign of something else. It's a sign that they're a monopoly who makes more money than they know what to do with! They already have invested billions and billions in things that loose money, like the X-Box and the cable industry and MSN and MSIE. Heck, even NT Server and BackOffice probably weren't profitable until the last 2-3 years. They've accumulated $40 billion despite all those huge investments, because they have no competition in the desktop OS or office productivity markets, and thus can charge whatever they want. So they charge whatever maximizes profit. It's really just basic economic theory.
Windows and Microsoft shouldn't go out of its way to make it more difficult for non-MS apps to work well.
They don't, that's just anti-MS FUD.
Bullshit. You all can mod me down as flamebait, but I just can't let you get away with this lie. All one has to do is go back to the Caldera lawsuit, and read the transcripts. There was email after email between high-ranking MS execs coming up with a strategy to sabotage DR-DOS's perceived interoperability with Windows. They even went so far as to encrypt the code that displayed the "error" to make it harder to see that they were doing.
It ain't FUD if it's a matter of public record.