Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Name an SGI system that isn't based on Intel/Linux, is even remotely competitive (in performance, not price), and is actually intended for this sort of work.
I'm guessing most major 3D design companies don't "do it properly" when they build clusterfarms out of consumer level gear? This guy is talking about 30-40 NODES, the equipment will cost less than an SGI service contract alone. A 30 node cluster doing 3D rendering doesn't really need uber-I/O, the bottleneck will be at the CPU/FPU level 95% of the time.
What is wrong with arrays running at 7200RPM? They generate more heat than a 5400 RPM, but not as much as 10K or 15K drives which are common in five 9's servers...
There would actually be more than 1120 pins, the 190 pins is just for the SECOND controller...so you could say that the memory controller on a dual channel system is ~360 pins, so in a dual channel, dual controller system 720 pins would be used for the memory controllers alone. Obviously this is not 100% accurate, but is as close to real numbers as we can get without looking at a white sheet;) That would mean that a dual core, dual controller, dual channel opteron (2x2=4 channels) would have ~1300 pins.
I'll agree with the rest of your statement, just saying that it is even MORE unlikely than you point out...a 1300 pin CPU isn't coming to the desktop or low end server market any time soon (I don't know of ANY CPU with that many pins, but I guess it is possible in a market without extremely tight budgets).
What he meant was that he would use the ID part of RAID (Inexpensive Disks) to the extreme. He would act as a Joe Consumer and buy normal size drives and then just array them...instead of buying server oriented gear...
Yea, its a VERY impressive technique but I didn't think that tech demo was very VISUALLY impressive so I didn't mention it.
There is an HDR demo floating around out there that any DX9 card can run that is really impressive, it consists of several spheres surrounding a large one with very nice lighting. Pretty simple, but less mathematically demanding and still more impressive visually than Far Cry (in my opinion at least...). I can't think of the name of it though, I'm sure a search for HDR lighting will turn it up quickly...
You may be right...I've never used it. I'm just a geek who was reading their white papers =)
They list their own software render (selective raytracing) and the Mental Ray rendered (real raytracer), the vector renderer (for Flash and the like), and a hardware rendered. Since the hardware renderer doesn't support Irix, it would be hard to imagine a feature as important as particles not being available on a platform that important...
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He didn't say that games do it, he said that the GPUs can do it. Look at some of the tech demos...
Specifically, have a look at: http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/rx800.html
Click on the Quicktime of the Ruby demo...
You want to click on "the doublecross" this is a realtime rendering that can be done on the newest ATI GPUs. Alternatively, if you HAVE one of the newest ATI GPUs, download the executables and watch them render in realtime...
I'll agree it isn't perfect yet, but it is a big step above Far Cry...The demo itself actually looks a little bit better than this MPEG4 because of the lossy nature of the codec (and the not quite photorealistic nature of the images).
I agree with most of your comments (and your sentiment...don't bash it, its FREE!!! Fix it if you want to gripe about a feature) but no commercial app really uses the GPU in quite the way you ascribe, at least currently. When you render a Maya image, it is being done completely in software. The previews may be being massively accellerated in hardware, but the final image is ALL done in software (unless you have one of those extremely expensive hardware RT boxes...which the typical person doesn't). Now obviously they don't have to raytrace everything, but even when using a real raytracing renderer (like Mental Ray), they are quite fast...faster than POVRay. I'm NOT complaining though...just backing up his statement...
Oh, if not more;) I was just clarifying that things haven't advanced quite as much as you were implying though. A 386 with 387 co-pro would have actually been faster at rendering than your 486SX.
Don't feel too bad though, I was using an Amiga 1200 without any accellerator at the time of the 486SX...I was slower than you were =)
Damned, you are easily confused... That "unknown" character is the amazingly obscure "space" (which for this subject matter is a bit coincidental). You can easily delete that "wacky character" and then the URL works fine.
This has always happened with moderately long URLs on Slashdot (at least those not posted as hyperlinks).
When you are paid in cash or in stock options that you cash out before the tanking begins your network doesn't dip all that much. Many people at SCO made a lot of money on basically nothing the past year.
I live in a town of roughly 60K people and there are numerous decent local bands playing here every night. While technically I live in a metropolitan area, it isn't exactly NY or LA. There are several music venues here that also allow 18+, they just can't drink and are stamped as such, still leaving out the 16 and 17 year olds but allowing the 18, 19, and 20 year olds.
I agree with your sentiment though, most people here the music they listen to on a Clear Channel et al radio station and not at a local club. Most people who go to local clubs still listen to commercial radio a LOT.
I agree with most of those shows, but Dennis Miller hasn't always been "conservative." I stopped watching his show when he left HBO and I realize he has probably changed a bit, but then it was almost but not quite liberal. He had no problems whatsoever with bashing the right pretty hard.
I can think of several liberal television shows which are ALMOST talk, like The Daily Show. John Stuart is definitely liberal, not necessarily a Democrat, but definitely not conservative. Of course, his format is quite different being a comedy, but I used to watch Rush to get a good laugh too!
If you compare Tokyo to the ten or so most densely populated US metros, it wouldn't be that much of a cost difference. Obviously he isn't implying that a guy in Alfred Kansas or something should be able to get fiber to the home, but a guy in Manhattan or Lincoln Park should be able to.
I'll address each problem in your argument one at a time:
I think 14 trillion might be overstating it by a few orders of magnitude... I'll assume you just put in an extra set of,000 in there...not really a problem, but still an error.
There are hundreds of billions of different things on this planet in abundance which as far as we know the universe has never created by random chance. Imagine the incredibly complex set of random events which would be required to build the CPU of the computer you are sitting at right now.
So just because the universe has never created it by random chance it can NEVER happen, huh? What the hell does "of the order of E=mc^2" even mean? That's like saying "of the order of X^2=Y". I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but E=MC^2 is just as valid for miniscule amounts of energy as for terajoules of energy. It is a formula expressing the ratio of mass to energy in a perfect system of conversion.
I agree with the a-bomb tests, in retrospect at least.
There are numerous ways we could destroy the Earth not involving a black hole. However, the Earth doesn't have to be destroyed for humanity to very quickly and completely die out. Imagine a virus much like HIV which is spread via personal contact, with a 10+ year latent period it could easily kill a large percentage of the population. Not every single person, but ~99% would be possible. That would destroy our civilization, you know that thing that makes us human.
I am NOT afraid of the unknown, but there is a middle ground between blindly darting through the dark assuming that since the universe hasn't killed you yet you can not die and quaking in fear at the mention of things new. It is called scientific responsibility.
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Yes they are, but that is something SCO is BUYING from their lawyers...not selling to them...
Yea, it's definitely Eastasia... I remember them bringing some of those Eastasian bastards into the square at some point in the past!
Also, we are approaching Hate Week....better prepare!
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Name an SGI system that isn't based on Intel/Linux, is even remotely competitive (in performance, not price), and is actually intended for this sort of work.
I'm guessing most major 3D design companies don't "do it properly" when they build clusterfarms out of consumer level gear? This guy is talking about 30-40 NODES, the equipment will cost less than an SGI service contract alone. A 30 node cluster doing 3D rendering doesn't really need uber-I/O, the bottleneck will be at the CPU/FPU level 95% of the time.
What is wrong with arrays running at 7200RPM? They generate more heat than a 5400 RPM, but not as much as 10K or 15K drives which are common in five 9's servers...
There would actually be more than 1120 pins, the 190 pins is just for the SECOND controller...so you could say that the memory controller on a dual channel system is ~360 pins, so in a dual channel, dual controller system 720 pins would be used for the memory controllers alone. Obviously this is not 100% accurate, but is as close to real numbers as we can get without looking at a white sheet ;) That would mean that a dual core, dual controller, dual channel opteron (2x2=4 channels) would have ~1300 pins.
I'll agree with the rest of your statement, just saying that it is even MORE unlikely than you point out...a 1300 pin CPU isn't coming to the desktop or low end server market any time soon (I don't know of ANY CPU with that many pins, but I guess it is possible in a market without extremely tight budgets).
Yea, I know..I was being sarcastic ;)
What he meant was that he would use the ID part of RAID (Inexpensive Disks) to the extreme. He would act as a Joe Consumer and buy normal size drives and then just array them...instead of buying server oriented gear...
Nope, you were right the first time...100GB total capacity
That's it...bookmarking now (too bad I have to reboot into Windows to look at it :/)...
Yea, its a VERY impressive technique but I didn't think that tech demo was very VISUALLY impressive so I didn't mention it.
There is an HDR demo floating around out there that any DX9 card can run that is really impressive, it consists of several spheres surrounding a large one with very nice lighting. Pretty simple, but less mathematically demanding and still more impressive visually than Far Cry (in my opinion at least...). I can't think of the name of it though, I'm sure a search for HDR lighting will turn it up quickly...
Yea, I did pretty much the same thing... I bought a 68030 card running at 30 Mhz and found a crystal to run it at 37 Mhz... Early overclocking ;)
I agree though about the fun, maybe it was just that we were younger ????
You may be right...I've never used it. I'm just a geek who was reading their white papers =)
They list their own software render (selective raytracing) and the Mental Ray rendered (real raytracer), the vector renderer (for Flash and the like), and a hardware rendered. Since the hardware renderer doesn't support Irix, it would be hard to imagine a feature as important as particles not being available on a platform that important...
He didn't say that games do it, he said that the GPUs can do it. Look at some of the tech demos...
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Specifically, have a look at:
http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/rx800.htm
Click on the Quicktime of the Ruby demo...
You want to click on "the doublecross" this is a realtime rendering that can be done on the newest ATI GPUs. Alternatively, if you HAVE one of the newest ATI GPUs, download the executables and watch them render in realtime...
I'll agree it isn't perfect yet, but it is a big step above Far Cry...The demo itself actually looks a little bit better than this MPEG4 because of the lossy nature of the codec (and the not quite photorealistic nature of the images).
I agree with most of your comments (and your sentiment...don't bash it, its FREE!!! Fix it if you want to gripe about a feature) but no commercial app really uses the GPU in quite the way you ascribe, at least currently. When you render a Maya image, it is being done completely in software. The previews may be being massively accellerated in hardware, but the final image is ALL done in software (unless you have one of those extremely expensive hardware RT boxes...which the typical person doesn't). Now obviously they don't have to raytrace everything, but even when using a real raytracing renderer (like Mental Ray), they are quite fast...faster than POVRay. I'm NOT complaining though...just backing up his statement...
Oh, if not more ;) I was just clarifying that things haven't advanced quite as much as you were implying though. A 386 with 387 co-pro would have actually been faster at rendering than your 486SX.
Don't feel too bad though, I was using an Amiga 1200 without any accellerator at the time of the 486SX...I was slower than you were =)
Well, with the 486DX it would have been insanely faster even then. You were having to emulate FP math with the SX.
Damned, you are easily confused... That "unknown" character is the amazingly obscure "space" (which for this subject matter is a bit coincidental). You can easily delete that "wacky character" and then the URL works fine.
This has always happened with moderately long URLs on Slashdot (at least those not posted as hyperlinks).
Except this isn't intended for tanks...tanks already have nice reactive armor. This is a replacement for lightly armored vehicles.
I know I know, but when one is from an area with 8M people, a city of 60K (albeit 350K in the area) seems like a town.
When you are paid in cash or in stock options that you cash out before the tanking begins your network doesn't dip all that much. Many people at SCO made a lot of money on basically nothing the past year.
I live in a town of roughly 60K people and there are numerous decent local bands playing here every night. While technically I live in a metropolitan area, it isn't exactly NY or LA. There are several music venues here that also allow 18+, they just can't drink and are stamped as such, still leaving out the 16 and 17 year olds but allowing the 18, 19, and 20 year olds.
I agree with your sentiment though, most people here the music they listen to on a Clear Channel et al radio station and not at a local club. Most people who go to local clubs still listen to commercial radio a LOT.
I agree with most of those shows, but Dennis Miller hasn't always been "conservative." I stopped watching his show when he left HBO and I realize he has probably changed a bit, but then it was almost but not quite liberal. He had no problems whatsoever with bashing the right pretty hard.
I can think of several liberal television shows which are ALMOST talk, like The Daily Show. John Stuart is definitely liberal, not necessarily a Democrat, but definitely not conservative. Of course, his format is quite different being a comedy, but I used to watch Rush to get a good laugh too!
If you compare Tokyo to the ten or so most densely populated US metros, it wouldn't be that much of a cost difference. Obviously he isn't implying that a guy in Alfred Kansas or something should be able to get fiber to the home, but a guy in Manhattan or Lincoln Park should be able to.
I'll address each problem in your argument one at a time:
,000 in there...not really a problem, but still an error.
I think 14 trillion might be overstating it by a few orders of magnitude... I'll assume you just put in an extra set of
There are hundreds of billions of different things on this planet in abundance which as far as we know the universe has never created by random chance. Imagine the incredibly complex set of random events which would be required to build the CPU of the computer you are sitting at right now.
So just because the universe has never created it by random chance it can NEVER happen, huh? What the hell does "of the order of E=mc^2" even mean? That's like saying "of the order of X^2=Y". I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but E=MC^2 is just as valid for miniscule amounts of energy as for terajoules of energy. It is a formula expressing the ratio of mass to energy in a perfect system of conversion.
I agree with the a-bomb tests, in retrospect at least.
There are numerous ways we could destroy the Earth not involving a black hole. However, the Earth doesn't have to be destroyed for humanity to very quickly and completely die out. Imagine a virus much like HIV which is spread via personal contact, with a 10+ year latent period it could easily kill a large percentage of the population. Not every single person, but ~99% would be possible. That would destroy our civilization, you know that thing that makes us human.
I am NOT afraid of the unknown, but there is a middle ground between blindly darting through the dark assuming that since the universe hasn't killed you yet you can not die and quaking in fear at the mention of things new. It is called scientific responsibility.
Explain? I have definitely seen application crashes cause hard reboots when not running in "administrator mode".
I couldn't agree more, I was simply commenting that you CAN make it more like Windows and integrate them if that is your cup of tea.