That's funny. Waiting an hour isn't what we're talking about in a Socialized medicine state.. Try 8-12 months for a colonoscopy in England. That's waiting in line... and all the while, your cancer becomes deadly. No thanks.
The debate is settled. The scientists all agree. We are heading toward cataclysmic global warming. Al Gore told me so (while enriching himself to the tune of $100,000,000 +).
As far as I know, the US has NEVER run an actual surplus (at least since WW2). Those "surplus" claims were nothing more than projections based on income and expenses. Of course, regardless of the party in charge, they spend twice what ever is taken in (thrice if all Dem). Thus no surpluses. Ever.
I didn't realize sarcastic political comments were considered "trolling". But I guess on DailyKos-dot it is now. Better for me to just stay away from the politics here. It just makes me agitated that I can't get any sort of rational debate without insults.
Uh, if it were that easy it might not be such a problem. However, I heard an interview with the AG (Gonzales at the time) a few years ago where he described the '3 day excemption' process under FISA. It REQUIRED that there be a brief presented to the AG that he could hand to a judge as-is. Not build a case later, but have a case prepared. That takes too much time.
I have not idea what you mean by 'emergency legislation'. The Administration has enough trouble getting any legislation passed, much less any of the dreaded 'emergency spy powers' which everyone here at/. seems to be convinced is yet another attempt of BushCo to listen in your pizza order.
Just keep on believing that Bush is the real enemy and all will be well.
Agreed: The Republicans are racing the Democrats to see who can be more Socialist. Welfare for everyone! Power to the State! Classic Liberalism (ie Conservatism) is the only home of fiscal sanity anymore (well, ok... most libertarians/Constiutionalists as well). Too bad neither the GOP nor the Dems get it. All these "Progressives" will be the end of us as an economic superpower (which appears to be the goal).
Right. However, as I understand it, the AG is required to approve any such action ahead of time. A low level intelligence officer can't just listen in at his own discretion. All that needed to happen was for whatever intelligence agency to present a slam dunk 'probable cause' brief to the AG such that it would stand up in court as-is, then if the AG decided that the court would accept it, he could approve the tap... after which time it would be too late.
When things move at the speed of light, getting a case put together, presented to the AG, reviewed by him and then approved... just doesn't work.
If you ran a telecom company, knowing that there are currently 60 some lawsuits pending against you and your fellow companies, how excited are you going to be to offer up anything before having your own lawyers review every request? I'd probably just tell the NSA "good luck" and hang up. Its much safer to do that than defend yourself against the ACLU regardless of any guilt. But then, the ACLU is looking out for the little guy, right? Better to let terrorists make their phone calls than face a potentially company closing lawsuit.
Now when the US has an active intercept from a known terrorist in a foreign country who places a phone call to any US telephone number, they have to get a warrant before the telecom companies will allow them to listen in. The plan is all coming together. People have now seen reality: George Bush is the one true enemy we should be concerned with! Terrorists have been demonstrated to be nothing more than straw men for those power hungry fascists on the right bent on world domination. Men who will stop at nothing to listen in on each and every word each and every one of us utter. Wait, I think they're at my door!
I gotta buy stock in those disposable phone companies.
And yes. I know, I know.. Fascism really has its roots on the left, but if you speak a lie long enough it becomes the truth.
Its posts like this that really make me not like/. Might as well be DU or DailyKOS.
Wow. You'd think getting a competitive edge with a 30% reduction in power would have companies lining up at the door. If I could cut 30% of any expense from my company, I'd be all over it.
I see. So your rights are however you define them from behind your gun... wow... I guess that makes you an Anarchist then? "Whatever I say goes" if I have the power to enforce it?
Before you bash me as a zealot, I maybe go to church twice a year - maybe - (that's how religious I am) and even I can see that Secularism will be the death of the US (why do you think the removal of "God" from the culture is a major component of the Communist Party?). We'll continue to get Socialism (Tyranny as opposed to the Liberty promised in the Constitution) and follow Europe into the toilet while the Muslim's that this thread is about continue to gain power as our economy declines into its twilight. signing off.
Please point me to some quotes of the Founding Fathers stating that "religion is oppressive".
The mere fact they they started each day (and still do) in Congress with a prayer seems to directly contradict your argument, or the fact that they all believed that our "rights" did not come from man, but from "God". I guess if you're an atheist (and I don't mean you specifically), you must believe that our "rights" come not from God (however you define that) but rather from Man? So they are not, in fact, God given, but granted by the government who could take them away whenever they feel like it. See Russia, China, etc. You can't have it both ways.
You realize you just defined all the Founding Fathers (practically) and all those on the Mayflower, etc as "lunatics"? Are you sure you are prepared to do that? Perhaps you can point to a secularly formed government that created more Liberty? China? Russia? North Korea? Anyone? Frye?
I just wish YouTube would 'filter' out Jihadi videos... But they haven't/won't, because its Constitutionally protected 'free speech' for a foreign based terrorist organization to recruit online (I'm sure the ACLU and CAIR will take any cases pro-bono)...
Did Leahy not, in fact, leak classified information to the press? Was he not investigated for that / other leaks? Had I quoted a TIME article on Leahy's breaches of National Security would that have made it more true?
As for the insults, those always make the insulter look sooooo intelligent. Keep it up!
Uh, yeah. Patrick Leahy is a reliable source. No bias in his comments. As I recall he had to resign from the Intelligence Committee in the 80s for passing classified documents to reporters. That used to be called treason.
"in a 1985 television appearance Leahy disclosed classified information that one of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's telephone conversations had been intercepted. The information that Leahy revealed had been used in the operation to capture the Arab terrorists who had hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship and killed American citizens, and the Union-Tribune claimed that Leahy's indiscretion may have cost the life of at least one of the Egyptian operatives involved in that operation. In 1987, The Washington Times reported that Leahy had also leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration to overthrow Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. Leahy allegedly had said, "I thought [the operation] was probably the most ridiculous thing I had seen, and also the most irresponsible," and had threatened to expose the operation to CIA Director William Casey. A few weeks later, details of the plan appeared in The Washington Post, and the operation was cancelled."...
"Another example of Leahy revealing confidential information occurred just before the Iran-Contra hearings were to begin, when he allowed an NBC reporter to look through the Senate Intelligence Committee's confidential draft report on the burgeoning scandal. After NBC used the privileged information in a January 1987 report, Leahy came under increasing fire, and after a six-month internal investigation he was forced to step down from his seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Leahy's leak was considered to be one of the most serious breaches of secrecy in the Intelligence Committee's then-10-year history.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2038
A True Hero of the Left!
I appreciate your concern over my inability to understand your previous lengthy (and nicely articulated) post. While I do believe there to be a certain beauty in the whole 'if no one is observing it, its not there' theory related to quantum uncertainty, I'm not so far gone as to live in that world just yet.
Although this is irrelevant (and not meant to be sarcastic), you speak of scientific theories being confirmed tens of thousands of times...? Isn't that a bit of a stretch? Perhaps I _am_ misunderstanding your nuance of the word theory. Maybe the difference is between a theory and a Theory? Are all theories actually tested and confirmed tens of thousands of times? And is there a magic number of confirmations for when a 'new' theory goes from being a mere hypothesis to a practical fact?
I'm just getting fed up with all the hostility when someone questions a 'theory'. A theory is just that: A theory.
It may the best theory and the only one that can be seen to fit the circumstances from where we are, but that does not make it true. Just (extremely) likely.
And to be totally fair, I must admit I have never personally read (or looked for) any studies testing and confirming the theory of evolution so I can't really comment on their veracity, and while I have a hard time imagining setting up a test to prove eons worth of mutations outside of a computer simulation (gigo), I am certainly aware that basically all scientists agree on it.
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*snip* "Maybe the US needs a constitutional amendment to make these bailouts illegal. *snip*
Can you point out in the Constitution where the Federal Government has this power in the first place?
That's funny. Waiting an hour isn't what we're talking about in a Socialized medicine state.. Try 8-12 months for a colonoscopy in England. That's waiting in line... and all the while, your cancer becomes deadly. No thanks.
The debate is settled. The scientists all agree. We are heading toward cataclysmic global warming. Al Gore told me so (while enriching himself to the tune of $100,000,000 +).
As far as I know, the US has NEVER run an actual surplus (at least since WW2). Those "surplus" claims were nothing more than projections based on income and expenses. Of course, regardless of the party in charge, they spend twice what ever is taken in (thrice if all Dem). Thus no surpluses. Ever.
I didn't realize sarcastic political comments were considered "trolling". But I guess on DailyKos-dot it is now. Better for me to just stay away from the politics here. It just makes me agitated that I can't get any sort of rational debate without insults.
Uh, if it were that easy it might not be such a problem. However, I heard an interview with the AG (Gonzales at the time) a few years ago where he described the '3 day excemption' process under FISA. It REQUIRED that there be a brief presented to the AG that he could hand to a judge as-is. Not build a case later, but have a case prepared. That takes too much time. I have not idea what you mean by 'emergency legislation'. The Administration has enough trouble getting any legislation passed, much less any of the dreaded 'emergency spy powers' which everyone here at /. seems to be convinced is yet another attempt of BushCo to listen in your pizza order.
Just keep on believing that Bush is the real enemy and all will be well.
Agreed: The Republicans are racing the Democrats to see who can be more Socialist. Welfare for everyone! Power to the State! Classic Liberalism (ie Conservatism) is the only home of fiscal sanity anymore (well, ok... most libertarians/Constiutionalists as well). Too bad neither the GOP nor the Dems get it. All these "Progressives" will be the end of us as an economic superpower (which appears to be the goal).
Right. However, as I understand it, the AG is required to approve any such action ahead of time. A low level intelligence officer can't just listen in at his own discretion. All that needed to happen was for whatever intelligence agency to present a slam dunk 'probable cause' brief to the AG such that it would stand up in court as-is, then if the AG decided that the court would accept it, he could approve the tap... after which time it would be too late.
When things move at the speed of light, getting a case put together, presented to the AG, reviewed by him and then approved... just doesn't work.
If you ran a telecom company, knowing that there are currently 60 some lawsuits pending against you and your fellow companies, how excited are you going to be to offer up anything before having your own lawyers review every request? I'd probably just tell the NSA "good luck" and hang up. Its much safer to do that than defend yourself against the ACLU regardless of any guilt. But then, the ACLU is looking out for the little guy, right? Better to let terrorists make their phone calls than face a potentially company closing lawsuit.
Uh, sure. Just keep telling yourself that.
Finally!
/. Might as well be DU or DailyKOS.
Now when the US has an active intercept from a known terrorist in a foreign country who places a phone call to any US telephone number, they have to get a warrant before the telecom companies will allow them to listen in. The plan is all coming together. People have now seen reality: George Bush is the one true enemy we should be concerned with! Terrorists have been demonstrated to be nothing more than straw men for those power hungry fascists on the right bent on world domination. Men who will stop at nothing to listen in on each and every word each and every one of us utter. Wait, I think they're at my door!
I gotta buy stock in those disposable phone companies.
And yes. I know, I know.. Fascism really has its roots on the left, but if you speak a lie long enough it becomes the truth.
Its posts like this that really make me not like
Wow. You'd think getting a competitive edge with a 30% reduction in power would have companies lining up at the door. If I could cut 30% of any expense from my company, I'd be all over it.
I see. So your rights are however you define them from behind your gun... wow... I guess that makes you an Anarchist then? "Whatever I say goes" if I have the power to enforce it?
Before you bash me as a zealot, I maybe go to church twice a year - maybe - (that's how religious I am) and even I can see that Secularism will be the death of the US (why do you think the removal of "God" from the culture is a major component of the Communist Party?). We'll continue to get Socialism (Tyranny as opposed to the Liberty promised in the Constitution) and follow Europe into the toilet while the Muslim's that this thread is about continue to gain power as our economy declines into its twilight. signing off.
Please point me to some quotes of the Founding Fathers stating that "religion is oppressive". The mere fact they they started each day (and still do) in Congress with a prayer seems to directly contradict your argument, or the fact that they all believed that our "rights" did not come from man, but from "God". I guess if you're an atheist (and I don't mean you specifically), you must believe that our "rights" come not from God (however you define that) but rather from Man? So they are not, in fact, God given, but granted by the government who could take them away whenever they feel like it. See Russia, China, etc. You can't have it both ways.
You realize you just defined all the Founding Fathers (practically) and all those on the Mayflower, etc as "lunatics"? Are you sure you are prepared to do that? Perhaps you can point to a secularly formed government that created more Liberty? China? Russia? North Korea? Anyone? Frye?
As long as I can then do that to the most important person in your life (you?), I'm okay with that.
BD+ (1.1) is not BD-Live (2.0)
2.0 is not cracked. I presume it will be, but it not right now.
BD 2.0 is not cracked. New 2.0 Discs will remain locked unless/until a new crack is discovered.
I'll take a candidate backed by "big business" over a candidate backed by the ChiComs any day...
I just wish YouTube would 'filter' out Jihadi videos... But they haven't/won't, because its Constitutionally protected 'free speech' for a foreign based terrorist organization to recruit online (I'm sure the ACLU and CAIR will take any cases pro-bono)...
Um, which part of the bio is incorrect?
Did Leahy not, in fact, leak classified information to the press? Was he not investigated for that / other leaks? Had I quoted a TIME article on Leahy's breaches of National Security would that have made it more true?
As for the insults, those always make the insulter look sooooo intelligent. Keep it up!
Uh, yeah. Patrick Leahy is a reliable source. No bias in his comments. As I recall he had to resign from the Intelligence Committee in the 80s for passing classified documents to reporters. That used to be called treason. "in a 1985 television appearance Leahy disclosed classified information that one of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's telephone conversations had been intercepted. The information that Leahy revealed had been used in the operation to capture the Arab terrorists who had hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship and killed American citizens, and the Union-Tribune claimed that Leahy's indiscretion may have cost the life of at least one of the Egyptian operatives involved in that operation. In 1987, The Washington Times reported that Leahy had also leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration to overthrow Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. Leahy allegedly had said, "I thought [the operation] was probably the most ridiculous thing I had seen, and also the most irresponsible," and had threatened to expose the operation to CIA Director William Casey. A few weeks later, details of the plan appeared in The Washington Post, and the operation was cancelled." ...
"Another example of Leahy revealing confidential information occurred just before the Iran-Contra hearings were to begin, when he allowed an NBC reporter to look through the Senate Intelligence Committee's confidential draft report on the burgeoning scandal. After NBC used the privileged information in a January 1987 report, Leahy came under increasing fire, and after a six-month internal investigation he was forced to step down from his seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Leahy's leak was considered to be one of the most serious breaches of secrecy in the Intelligence Committee's then-10-year history.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2038
A True Hero of the Left!
A Clinton appointee sides with the ACLU. Amazing!
I appreciate your concern over my inability to understand your previous lengthy (and nicely articulated) post. While I do believe there to be a certain beauty in the whole 'if no one is observing it, its not there' theory related to quantum uncertainty, I'm not so far gone as to live in that world just yet.
Although this is irrelevant (and not meant to be sarcastic), you speak of scientific theories being confirmed tens of thousands of times...? Isn't that a bit of a stretch? Perhaps I _am_ misunderstanding your nuance of the word theory. Maybe the difference is between a theory and a Theory? Are all theories actually tested and confirmed tens of thousands of times? And is there a magic number of confirmations for when a 'new' theory goes from being a mere hypothesis to a practical fact?
I'm just getting fed up with all the hostility when someone questions a 'theory'. A theory is just that: A theory.
It may the best theory and the only one that can be seen to fit the circumstances from where we are, but that does not make it true. Just (extremely) likely.
And to be totally fair, I must admit I have never personally read (or looked for) any studies testing and confirming the theory of evolution so I can't really comment on their veracity, and while I have a hard time imagining setting up a test to prove eons worth of mutations outside of a computer simulation (gigo), I am certainly aware that basically all scientists agree on it.
Theories = facts... Not in my world, but if it does in yours, fine. You responded to nothing I said, so you win!
Right. A graph proves it all. Way to avoid all my points. Hyperbole and insults are not arugment. You sound like Al Gore.