On the plus side, everyone playing Half-Life deathmatch online would only use the crowbar, because they'd be so good at using that and only that... because no one could make it past golfing with headcrabs...
So stay the hell away from the single platform code! It's that simple!
GDI is a wrapper on a legacy WINFORMS library. That doesn't make.NET's core intent anti-cross platform. It just means they haven't really sorted out a common.NET GUI yet., instead opting to develop ASP.NET as a front end. This is probably more of a function of Linux's tremendously good support for video cards... lol.
So let me get this straight; Call Windows API with.NET = NOT X-PLATFORM Call THE SAME API with java = X-platform???
Double standards much? Gotta love/.
Early java wasn't cross platform in THE SAME WAY that people here consider.NET not cross platform - only solaris & sun-flavored joe really supported it the way sun intended. Other people's implementations weren't so hot. Just like early.net is only supported on a windows box, even tho IT IS POSSIBLE and intended for people to write their own.NET implementation.
"You may use any information in intangible form that you remember after accessing the Software. "
Rotor's a learning tool, so someone else can create their own implementation. Why should MS devote so much time to something they will get zero reward from, and judging from the attitudes around here - zero respect from?
MS puts out code that is free, allows anyone to implement it (MONO is not an MS project...) and would enable win apps to be easily used on another platform...
And DOESN'T ask for licensing...
and/.'rs still bitch about MS.
MS put out the specs so anyone can implement.NET in their OS... for free... and you guys can still find fault in it. Amazing.
Well, I'm not specifically referring to Red Hat as much as the whole process, end to end. Red Hat's not giving money to the developers that worked on linux on their free time... are they? Basically, RH is selling other people's work for profit that the original developers never see.
What's stopping another company from taking the Red Hat installation tools and repackaging them, though?
Maybe I just don't understand the GPL... but the whole thing seems like the good programmers get screwed by the programmer who comes along and packages it nicely.
Again - you can't code java to only run on your environment? You're not trying hard enough.
GDI+ is a windows-specific API... GDI+ is -not- marketted as cross-platform anything. A library written in.NET that runs on only Asus video cards doesn't make.NET not cross-platform capable.
Sure; they're desktop support, at times for major clients. What about applications? No way stuff like, say, an MP3 player is going to make enough off support to pay developers. And paid support? People don't like to pay for support, certainly not support when it's your app that's broken.
Plus, call me crazy, but I consider the eventual goal of perfect software be ZERO support needed. Don't you? Shouldn't software be immediately intuitive, rock solid, and end-user configurable?
Remember that I have a strong background in support. I don't see it's a money maker for apps. For that matter, I don't think that $90M would cover the developers -and- support staff salary for everyone that worked on red hat. The 'labor of love' ideal only works so long before the 'realities of life' set in and people want to eat more than ramen for their college education. You'd have a better gauge than I - what number of developers were required for Red Hat? How many man-hours?
I bet between support and development, you'll find that later versions will not be considered as profitable; especially given the competition that all has similar if not customer-indistinguishable features.
I was just reading the OSS DB article and thinking about that - that OS developers probably aren't always willing to do tech support for their work and such...
But still, the amount of money made from support is still not enough to fund development. I still see OSS is a great way for developers to reduce their value to -zero-; someone's willing to do it free.
* GOALS.
We're at v1.1 - how cross platform was Java version 1? Ans: Not very - and you couldn't do windows-proprietary things with java either. So -what- if win-proprietary features work with.NET only on win machines? That's not the definition of cross-platform development; it's a feature.
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It's this retro thing... First there was C= then C+ then C++ then C# now C= again... ( And don't forget pacman - C... )
Now if someone could only get her a thong instead of those granny-panties...
On the plus side, everyone playing Half-Life deathmatch online would only use the crowbar, because they'd be so good at using that and only that ... because no one could make it past golfing with headcrabs...
It'd be awesome if it became a crossover. They could do it without stepping on too many toes.
So stay the hell away from the single platform code! It's that simple! GDI is a wrapper on a legacy WINFORMS library. That doesn't make .NET's core intent anti-cross platform. It just means they haven't really sorted out a common .NET GUI yet., instead opting to develop ASP.NET as a front end. This is probably more of a function of Linux's tremendously good support for video cards... lol.
So let me get this straight; .NET = NOT X-PLATFORM
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.NET not cross platform - only solaris & sun-flavored joe really supported it the way sun intended. Other people's implementations weren't so hot. Just like early .net is only supported on a windows box, even tho IT IS POSSIBLE and intended for people to write their own .NET implementation.
Call Windows API with
Call THE SAME API with java = X-platform???
Double standards much? Gotta love
Early java wasn't cross platform in THE SAME WAY that people here consider
"You may use any information in intangible form that you remember after accessing the Software. " Rotor's a learning tool, so someone else can create their own implementation. Why should MS devote so much time to something they will get zero reward from, and judging from the attitudes around here - zero respect from?
Wow, then I'm one 1337 cracker running this shit on MONO.
Wow. That's pretty impressive.
/.'rs still bitch about MS.
.NET in their OS... for free... and you guys can still find fault in it. Amazing.
MS puts out code that is free, allows anyone to implement it (MONO is not an MS project...) and would enable win apps to be easily used on another platform...
And DOESN'T ask for licensing...
and
MS put out the specs so anyone can implement
Well, I'm not specifically referring to Red Hat as much as the whole process, end to end. Red Hat's not giving money to the developers that worked on linux on their free time... are they? Basically, RH is selling other people's work for profit that the original developers never see.
What's stopping another company from taking the Red Hat installation tools and repackaging them, though?
Maybe I just don't understand the GPL... but the whole thing seems like the good programmers get screwed by the programmer who comes along and packages it nicely.
Again - you can't code java to only run on your environment? You're not trying hard enough. GDI+ is a windows-specific API... GDI+ is -not- marketted as cross-platform anything. A library written in .NET that runs on only Asus video cards doesn't make .NET not cross-platform capable.
Sure; they're desktop support, at times for major clients. What about applications? No way stuff like, say, an MP3 player is going to make enough off support to pay developers. And paid support? People don't like to pay for support, certainly not support when it's your app that's broken. Plus, call me crazy, but I consider the eventual goal of perfect software be ZERO support needed. Don't you? Shouldn't software be immediately intuitive, rock solid, and end-user configurable? Remember that I have a strong background in support. I don't see it's a money maker for apps. For that matter, I don't think that $90M would cover the developers -and- support staff salary for everyone that worked on red hat. The 'labor of love' ideal only works so long before the 'realities of life' set in and people want to eat more than ramen for their college education. You'd have a better gauge than I - what number of developers were required for Red Hat? How many man-hours? I bet between support and development, you'll find that later versions will not be considered as profitable; especially given the competition that all has similar if not customer-indistinguishable features.
Question: Can I write an application in .NET that will run on ANY platform that has a .NET implementation?
Answer: Yes.
MS never said -they- were going to port the .NET framework to other platforms; they made it available for others to do it.
Hence, Mono.
And yet, you're blaming Mono's shortcomings on MS.
So if I write code in Java that only runs on my machine (easy enough), suddenly Java is not cross-platform?
Cross-platform does not mean a downstream developer *can't* narrow the code into single-platform.
I was just reading the OSS DB article and thinking about that - that OS developers probably aren't always willing to do tech support for their work and such... But still, the amount of money made from support is still not enough to fund development. I still see OSS is a great way for developers to reduce their value to -zero-; someone's willing to do it free.
* GOALS. We're at v1.1 - how cross platform was Java version 1? Ans: Not very - and you couldn't do windows-proprietary things with java either. So -what- if win-proprietary features work with .NET only on win machines? That's not the definition of cross-platform development; it's a feature.
Yeah... I get bored at work. Never really cared about replying on /. before...
... why do you think .NET is around? Cross platform programming is one of the goals of .NET.
Yeah, and so is replying with absolutely no experience or education on a topic...
I thought the infinite improbability drive behaved a lot like a Tardis... the heart of gold could be small, but have huge room inside.
TIM from "The Office" as Arthur Dent!
*BING* "This icy patch sponsored by Michelin Goodyear... For when you're carrying the very best, drive our all-weather radials..."
*K.I.T.T. Be more worried about the A-Team van...
But hey, now you can run a jerk off the highway AND the 'superhighway' at the same time!
I just KNOW my landlord will be looking for the Newton rent check...