No one is going to give people tritium for plane fuel or tractor fuel.
So how do we use the new clean energy source for portable systems. Burning hydrogen cracked from water comes to mind, but is this really feasible? Is hydrogen energy dense enough to be a good fuel for a comercial airliner? For anything?
I'm not sure about gas-turbines (jet engines) but for most piston engines in cars, trucks and aircraft the idea would be to use either hydrogen fuel cells or hydrogen as a combustible fuel. This has already proven itself feasible in prototypes and the lab. However there's little point in doing this if you have to burn more fossil fuels to get the hydrogen in the first place - which is where fusion (or fission) comes in.
And what other uses besides fuel are we using Oil for? Like what percentage of oil goes for lubricants, chemicals?
Good question. But the more we reduce our use of oil the more will be available for things like this, and fusion is an essential part of this.
I really would like to see a great energy solution that makes all nations self sufficient. It would be a huge step towards reducing violence. But how does it work for the modern world and all its complicated pieces and processes.
Just because fusion promises huge benefits doesn't mean it will solve all the world's problems. It can't (for the foreseeable future) be put in vehicles or aircraft, not is it likely to reduce violence (people will just fight over some over resource - water for example). However it will, if it works, solve or drastically reduce our fossil fuel reliance for power generation and will allow the use of other technologies to also solve that reliance in vehicles at least.
Yes exactly and we already had natural examples of working heavier-than-air machines - birds. Its the same situation with fusion - we already have natural examples of energy-surplus self-sustaining fusion reactions (sun/starts).
You shouldn't feel ashamed of it or that you have to justify anything unless you are one of those people who sees creationism as a science. Some Christian Fundamentalists have tried to hold up creationism as a science where its been torn to shreds as nonsense and myth.
However there's nothing wrong with believing it as a religious belief, completely seperate and out of the scope of science, and you shouldn't feel ashamed of that. Maybe next time someone attacks you on sites like this point that out to them, while acknowledging that its nothing to do with science, and you might get a more rational response.
If you just wanted something up and working quickly then you shouldn't have used slackware. Its package management system deliberately doesn't have dependencies, so its up to the user to determine for themselves what other packages a package requires. The time taken to determine dependencies for something like X and GNOME would be massive and not trivial for mysql either. Not to mention that you downloaded RPMs off the MySQL website which probably weren't even meant for that distro - especially since it doesn't even use RPM packages!
At this point I have wasted most of my free weekend futzing around. I decide to install onto Windows Server 2003 just to "git 'r done" before Monday. The mysql graphical install goes without a hitch, enter my port and root password info in to the nice dialogs, and the service starts right up. Same with the apache install. Same with the Perl install.
If you really had used lots if different Linux distros consistently for years you'd have known that installing mysql, apache and perl on a modern Linux distro (such as Ubuntu/Debian, Mandriva, Fedora/RHEL and others) is as simple as: $PKGMANAGEMENTPROGRAM mysql apache perl where $PKGMANAGEMENTPROGRAM is one of apt-get, urpmi, yum etc.
This would automatically resolve and install dependencies and install those programs in a working state. You would even have saved a few minutes extra versus Win 2003 on the time it would take you to navigate to each of those program's web site, download and install through the install wizards on that system. You could then have spent your 2 hours on bugzilla config and been done - free to enjoy your weekend.
If you chose the wrong distro for your task then its not a fault with Linux but a problem between your chair and your keyboard.
ID is the proof that their is a super natural. ID is therefore not the study of the natural universe. So, ID is not science. ID is just logic.
ID is not proof of anything, its a subjective religious belief - a matter of personal faith.
Also I'd be hesitant to call it logic, which implies its derived from something concrete or factual. Its only logical if you are already a believer - ie. if you already believe in god - again this comes back to it being purely a matter of faith.
The main reason why I'm not reading/. as much anymore is because I'm fed up with all comments about why religion sucks/creationism and ID is bad/Bush was wrong
I agree with you that's annoying when the whole ID/creationism thing gets brought up off-topic. However you have to recognise that the opposition to it is based on its proponents pushing it as science when it doesn't even meet the most basic requirements of a valid (ie. testable) scientifc theory or hypothesis. This whole idea of calling intelligent design/creationism a science is part of a christian fundamentalist political movement that has existed in one form or another since Darwin first published his work.
It's not a knee-jerk or prejudiced reaction against religion or Christianity. It's justifiable criticism of a political movement to misuse and distort the meaning of the word 'science' to have religious beliefs accepted as literal facts - the very definition of religious fundamentalism.
This kind of thing shows why Microsoft just isn't trustworthy when it comes to security and privacy issues. For every good idea they have they have an equally bad idea that plays into the spyware-makers or spammers or crackers hands. Eg:
Good: Major security upgrade in Win XP SP2.
Bad: Accelerating marketing/political campaign to convince people that they are only safe with signed software. Ignores fact that most spyware out there is signed - signing provides no verification of software's function or motives/background of signer.
Good: Announces testing MS Anti-spyware Beta program which will be free to Windows users.
Bad: Apparent moves to downgrade or eliminate detection of the notorious Gator/Claria spyware due to commercial agreement with that company.
Good: Actively enthusiastic about SPF technology to counter forged emails
Bad: Soon emerges that MS's implementation is an attempt to use patents lock open-source software out of the world's email systems.
Good: Takes active role in legally pursuing spammers.
Bad: Pushes flawed and unwanted opt-out model for anti-spam regulation.
I hardly think the rantings of some guy who thinks he knows everything about the desktop because he wrote firefox is proof that Linux is not ready for the desktop. Linux is ready for the desktop, its not perfect but it is workable, but it hasn't 'taken off' simply because hardware and software is not targeted at/written for it and because literally the entire desktop computing world is used to Windows. People just don't see the point in making the effort to switch.
Typical of monpolies everywhere, wether goverment owned or private, Telstra is an absolute joke. They provide poor quality products and absolutely shit service at premium prices. All while using their monoply control over infrastructure to try and unfairly squeeze out competitors who actually manage to provide a worthwhile service at a more reasonable price.
They've single handedly held back the IT industry in Australia for years with their incredibly backward and stingy policies towards broadband and data limits.
This 'rise in violent crime' that's meant to have happened in the UK and Australia since guns were supposedly banned in these 2 countries is a fantasy of the US-pro gun lobby. Crime rates rise and fall all the time to do with factors like economic health, the supply of illegal drugs, police funding/corruption levels etc. None of these pro-gun nuts has been able to provide any kind of solid proof that any of this is related to gun ownership levels, but will instead selectively quote statistics which show rises in crime in one category or another to try and 'prove' their point. One fact that they usually gloss over or ignore is that US murder rates are consistently significantly higher than those in Australia and the UK.
Gun control doesn't have to mean a total ban on guns either - in Australia at least (and probably in the UK too) farmers and other legitimate registered gun owners can still buy non-semi- or fully-automatic weapons. Also our police and military have access to these weapons that is unaffected by these restrictions.
Yes but luckily these laws are not enforced and are ignored by everybody - after all they also make it illegal to record TV shows on a VCR. Even federal government ministers have admitted to doing that (and then expressed surprise when told its illegal). The govt. is currently considering changing the law to add some kind of fair use.
Anybody with a need for both operating systems will either purchase more hardware
Like most people I don't see the value of spending $1000 on a good new computer when what I want (the ability to run both Windows and Linux) could just as easily be achieved for free in software. Maybe if I was rich and $1000 was nothing to me I would. But while my $1000 could buy me a weeks holiday or pay my car insurance for a year I think I'll go with the free (as in beer) software option.
or virtualize it with VMWare
Again this is not free and is useless when it comes to the main reason people dual-boot Windows and Linux - all their games only run on Windows.
I'm curious. What makes you think the OASIS standard is even worth supporting? Other than as an interoperability device to OOo that is.
I'm curious. What makes you think the HTML/CSS/Javascript standards are even worth supporting? Other than as an interoperability device to non-Internet Explorer browsers that is.
everybody "owns" the code (as with the GPL) Everybody does not 'own' the code with the GPL or any other open source licence. FOSS is where the copyright holder of the code has decided to put it under a licence which allows anyone to use or modify it how they wish.
They do not 'own' the code because they cannot change those licence conditions - they have no control over them and are permanently bound by them.
You can do better than drive past it - they allow the local running club into the grounds of a weekend to hold races. They also have guided tours of the actual reactor facility.
Not sure how much this was tightened down (or not) since 11/9/01.
The www.mandrivalinux.com site is the old Mandrake site, and it looks like they are moving everything to the other site (slowly to be sure). Is the issue that they are simply in a transition, or are they deliberately allowing the free version to fall off the site?
mandrake.com was their corporate site and mandrakelinux.com was the site about the Linux distro itself. Its still the same - mandriva.com is their corporate site and mandrivalinux.com is the site about the distro itself. There is no transition and their not moving stuff between sites.
Even the support knowledge base requires a club membership (which is not free). On the support forums, you can browse the entries manually but to search the forums you (again) have to have a club membership
Yes of course the club forum is members only. If you want a good support forum try linuxquestions.org (they have a Mandriva forum) or mandrakeusers.org.
The community expects no such thing, you are either incredibly ignorant or just a troll. If you take a GPL'd program and make it part of a program you've written then you must licence your program as GPL if you distribute it. This is perfectly fair - you can't expect to just take a GPL program, modify it a bit, and then be able to distribute it closed source.
Otherwise you are perfectly free to write whatever software you want on Linux or any other open source platform and put it under whatever licence you want and sell it for however much you want etc.
Just try to see if you can have a computer simulation come up with something on the order of complexity of TCP/IP that works even half as well.
Given 4 billion years and an incredibly powerful 'computer' (the universe or at least an entire planet) you don't think your program might achieve something?
How did we evolve and the universe come into being in violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?
This is pure propaganda from creationists. There is not and has never been any conflict between evolution and the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Glad I'm not the only MDK fan here on/. I wouldn't say that urpmi is necessarily superior to apt, but its definately just as good and better in some ways.
There's nothing wrong with urpmi (and its GUI equivalent in the Mandrake Control Centre) - they work just as good as apt for me. I've been using MDK since 9.2.
Honestly, how do posts like yours get modded 'Informative'. You're anything but and you can't eve n navigate a simple website. www.mandrivalinux.com Click Downloads In the table see 'Download Edition' look across to 'Public FTP'. Click on the link in the box. Now select from list of mirrors whichever is closer to you.
www.mandrivalinux.com Click Download (in left hand menu like on most websites) It clearly lays out the 3 options you have for it (club membership, boxed set and download edition). Now look in the table on the row that says 'Download Edition' go across to 'Download from public FTP mirrors'. The next page is a list of mirrors by location.
How simple is that? You obviously didn't try very hard.
Also once you've installed it you can setup your software source automatically to get all the rest of the software (more than is in the boxed set almost, except for closed-source packages) by going to http://easyurpmi.zarb.org./
This is the answer to about half of the Mandrake related questions on any discussion board 'just go to easyurpmi, setup your sources and then install it from there'. Also in the latest version (2005LE) they have a convenient button in the software sources manager to setup all these free repos automatically.
There was no guessing as to "will this rpm have all the dependencies or do I have to search for those too?"
Not if you setup your repositories (which you have to do with Ubuntu's apt-get too BTW).
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No one is going to give people tritium for plane fuel or tractor fuel.
So how do we use the new clean energy source for portable systems. Burning hydrogen cracked from water comes to mind, but is this really feasible? Is hydrogen energy dense enough to be a good fuel for a comercial airliner? For anything?
I'm not sure about gas-turbines (jet engines) but for most piston engines in cars, trucks and aircraft the idea would be to use either hydrogen fuel cells or hydrogen as a combustible fuel. This has already proven itself feasible in prototypes and the lab. However there's little point in doing this if you have to burn more fossil fuels to get the hydrogen in the first place - which is where fusion (or fission) comes in.
And what other uses besides fuel are we using Oil for? Like what percentage of oil goes for lubricants, chemicals?
Good question. But the more we reduce our use of oil the more will be available for things like this, and fusion is an essential part of this.
I really would like to see a great energy solution that makes all nations self sufficient. It would be a huge step towards reducing violence. But how does it work for the modern world and all its complicated pieces and processes.
Just because fusion promises huge benefits doesn't mean it will solve all the world's problems. It can't (for the foreseeable future) be put in vehicles or aircraft, not is it likely to reduce violence (people will just fight over some over resource - water for example). However it will, if it works, solve or drastically reduce our fossil fuel reliance for power generation and will allow the use of other technologies to also solve that reliance in vehicles at least.
Yes exactly and we already had natural examples of working heavier-than-air machines - birds. Its the same situation with fusion - we already have natural examples of energy-surplus self-sustaining fusion reactions (sun/starts).
but does not agree that the solution to "public records management is to force a single, less functional document format on all state agencies."
Very true. So why then, Microsoft, are you trying to push Microsoft Office on this organisation?
You shouldn't feel ashamed of it or that you have to justify anything unless you are one of those people who sees creationism as a science. Some Christian Fundamentalists have tried to hold up creationism as a science where its been torn to shreds as nonsense and myth.
However there's nothing wrong with believing it as a religious belief, completely seperate and out of the scope of science, and you shouldn't feel ashamed of that. Maybe next time someone attacks you on sites like this point that out to them, while acknowledging that its nothing to do with science, and you might get a more rational response.
If you just wanted something up and working quickly then you shouldn't have used slackware. Its package management system deliberately doesn't have dependencies, so its up to the user to determine for themselves what other packages a package requires. The time taken to determine dependencies for something like X and GNOME would be massive and not trivial for mysql either. Not to mention that you downloaded RPMs off the MySQL website which probably weren't even meant for that distro - especially since it doesn't even use RPM packages!
At this point I have wasted most of my free weekend futzing around. I decide to install onto Windows Server 2003 just to "git 'r done" before Monday. The mysql graphical install goes without a hitch, enter my port and root password info in to the nice dialogs, and the service starts right up. Same with the apache install. Same with the Perl install.
If you really had used lots if different Linux distros consistently for years you'd have known that installing mysql, apache and perl on a modern Linux distro (such as Ubuntu/Debian, Mandriva, Fedora/RHEL and others) is as simple as:
$PKGMANAGEMENTPROGRAM mysql apache perl
where $PKGMANAGEMENTPROGRAM is one of apt-get, urpmi, yum etc.
This would automatically resolve and install dependencies and install those programs in a working state. You would even have saved a few minutes extra versus Win 2003 on the time it would take you to navigate to each of those program's web site, download and install through the install wizards on that system. You could then have spent your 2 hours on bugzilla config and been done - free to enjoy your weekend.
If you chose the wrong distro for your task then its not a fault with Linux but a problem between your chair and your keyboard.
ID is the proof that their is a super natural. ID is therefore not the study of the natural universe. So, ID is not science. ID is just logic.
ID is not proof of anything, its a subjective religious belief - a matter of personal faith.
Also I'd be hesitant to call it logic, which implies its derived from something concrete or factual. Its only logical if you are already a believer - ie. if you already believe in god - again this comes back to it being purely a matter of faith.
The main reason why I'm not reading /. as much anymore is because I'm fed up with all comments about why religion sucks/creationism and ID is bad/Bush was wrong
I agree with you that's annoying when the whole ID/creationism thing gets brought up off-topic. However you have to recognise that the opposition to it is based on its proponents pushing it as science when it doesn't even meet the most basic requirements of a valid (ie. testable) scientifc theory or hypothesis. This whole idea of calling intelligent design/creationism a science is part of a christian fundamentalist political movement that has existed in one form or another since Darwin first published his work.
It's not a knee-jerk or prejudiced reaction against religion or Christianity. It's justifiable criticism of a political movement to misuse and distort the meaning of the word 'science' to have religious beliefs accepted as literal facts - the very definition of religious fundamentalism.
This kind of thing shows why Microsoft just isn't trustworthy when it comes to security and privacy issues. For every good idea they have they have an equally bad idea that plays into the spyware-makers or spammers or crackers hands. Eg:
Good: Major security upgrade in Win XP SP2.
Bad: Accelerating marketing/political campaign to convince people that they are only safe with signed software. Ignores fact that most spyware out there is signed - signing provides no verification of software's function or motives/background of signer.
Good: Announces testing MS Anti-spyware Beta program which will be free to Windows users.
Bad: Apparent moves to downgrade or eliminate detection of the notorious Gator/Claria spyware due to commercial agreement with that company.
Good: Actively enthusiastic about SPF technology to counter forged emails
Bad: Soon emerges that MS's implementation is an attempt to use patents lock open-source software out of the world's email systems.
Good: Takes active role in legally pursuing spammers.
Bad: Pushes flawed and unwanted opt-out model for anti-spam regulation.
Meanwhile, Linux has been around since 1991, and it still isn't ready for the desktop.
I hardly think the rantings of some guy who thinks he knows everything about the desktop because he wrote firefox is proof that Linux is not ready for the desktop. Linux is ready for the desktop, its not perfect but it is workable, but it hasn't 'taken off' simply because hardware and software is not targeted at/written for it and because literally the entire desktop computing world is used to Windows. People just don't see the point in making the effort to switch.
Typical of monpolies everywhere, wether goverment owned or private, Telstra is an absolute joke. They provide poor quality products and absolutely shit service at premium prices. All while using their monoply control over infrastructure to try and unfairly squeeze out competitors who actually manage to provide a worthwhile service at a more reasonable price.
They've single handedly held back the IT industry in Australia for years with their incredibly backward and stingy policies towards broadband and data limits.
This 'rise in violent crime' that's meant to have happened in the UK and Australia since guns were supposedly banned in these 2 countries is a fantasy of the US-pro gun lobby. Crime rates rise and fall all the time to do with factors like economic health, the supply of illegal drugs, police funding/corruption levels etc. None of these pro-gun nuts has been able to provide any kind of solid proof that any of this is related to gun ownership levels, but will instead selectively quote statistics which show rises in crime in one category or another to try and 'prove' their point. One fact that they usually gloss over or ignore is that US murder rates are consistently significantly higher than those in Australia and the UK.
Gun control doesn't have to mean a total ban on guns either - in Australia at least (and probably in the UK too) farmers and other legitimate registered gun owners can still buy non-semi- or fully-automatic weapons. Also our police and military have access to these weapons that is unaffected by these restrictions.
Yes but luckily these laws are not enforced and are ignored by everybody - after all they also make it illegal to record TV shows on a VCR. Even federal government ministers have admitted to doing that (and then expressed surprise when told its illegal). The govt. is currently considering changing the law to add some kind of fair use.
Anybody with a need for both operating systems will either purchase more hardware
Like most people I don't see the value of spending $1000 on a good new computer when what I want (the ability to run both Windows and Linux) could just as easily be achieved for free in software. Maybe if I was rich and $1000 was nothing to me I would. But while my $1000 could buy me a weeks holiday or pay my car insurance for a year I think I'll go with the free (as in beer) software option.
or virtualize it with VMWare
Again this is not free and is useless when it comes to the main reason people dual-boot Windows and Linux - all their games only run on Windows.
I'm curious. What makes you think the OASIS standard is even worth supporting? Other than as an interoperability device to OOo that is.
I'm curious. What makes you think the HTML/CSS/Javascript standards are even worth supporting? Other than as an interoperability device to non-Internet Explorer browsers that is.
everybody "owns" the code (as with the GPL)
Everybody does not 'own' the code with the GPL or any other open source licence. FOSS is where the copyright holder of the code has decided to put it under a licence which allows anyone to use or modify it how they wish.
They do not 'own' the code because they cannot change those licence conditions - they have no control over them and are permanently bound by them.
You can do better than drive past it - they allow the local running club into the grounds of a weekend to hold races. They also have guided tours of the actual reactor facility.
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Not sure how much this was tightened down (or not) since 11/9/01.
Anyway here's the 'offending' image:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-34.049868,150.985
The www.mandrivalinux.com site is the old Mandrake site, and it looks like they are moving everything to the other site (slowly to be sure). Is the issue that they are simply in a transition, or are they deliberately allowing the free version to fall off the site?
mandrake.com was their corporate site and mandrakelinux.com was the site about the Linux distro itself. Its still the same - mandriva.com is their corporate site and mandrivalinux.com is the site about the distro itself. There is no transition and their not moving stuff between sites.
Even the support knowledge base requires a club membership (which is not free). On the support forums, you can browse the entries manually but to search the forums you (again) have to have a club membership
Yes of course the club forum is members only. If you want a good support forum try linuxquestions.org (they have a Mandriva forum) or mandrakeusers.org.
The community expects no such thing, you are either incredibly ignorant or just a troll. If you take a GPL'd program and make it part of a program you've written then you must licence your program as GPL if you distribute it. This is perfectly fair - you can't expect to just take a GPL program, modify it a bit, and then be able to distribute it closed source.
Otherwise you are perfectly free to write whatever software you want on Linux or any other open source platform and put it under whatever licence you want and sell it for however much you want etc.
Just try to see if you can have a computer simulation come up with something on the order of complexity of TCP/IP that works even half as well.
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Given 4 billion years and an incredibly powerful 'computer' (the universe or at least an entire planet) you don't think your program might achieve something?
How did we evolve and the universe come into being in violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?
This is pure propaganda from creationists. There is not and has never been any conflict between evolution and the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation-evolution_c
What (or who) created the original Order in the universe?
Science does not know this and neither does religion.
This is correct - I've been using it since 9.2
Glad I'm not the only MDK fan here on /. I wouldn't say that urpmi is necessarily superior to apt, but its definately just as good and better in some ways.
Autopackage is not a packaging system to build a distro, their own FAQ says so: http://www.autopackage.org/faq.html#1_2
There's nothing wrong with urpmi (and its GUI equivalent in the Mandrake Control Centre) - they work just as good as apt for me. I've been using MDK since 9.2.
Honestly, how do posts like yours get modded 'Informative'. You're anything but and you can't eve n navigate a simple website.
www.mandrivalinux.com
Click Downloads
In the table see 'Download Edition' look across to 'Public FTP'. Click on the link in the box.
Now select from list of mirrors whichever is closer to you.
So simple.
www.mandrivalinux.com
Click Download (in left hand menu like on most websites)
It clearly lays out the 3 options you have for it (club membership, boxed set and download edition). Now look in the table on the row that says 'Download Edition' go across to 'Download from public FTP mirrors'.
The next page is a list of mirrors by location.
How simple is that? You obviously didn't try very hard.
Also once you've installed it you can setup your software source automatically to get all the rest of the software (more than is in the boxed set almost, except for closed-source packages) by going to http://easyurpmi.zarb.org./
I would be very interested in finding these free urpmi repositories as every time I tried to find more, I kept running into "join mandrakeclub first"
The list is here: http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
This is the answer to about half of the Mandrake related questions on any discussion board 'just go to easyurpmi, setup your sources and then install it from there'. Also in the latest version (2005LE) they have a convenient button in the software sources manager to setup all these free repos automatically.
There was no guessing as to "will this rpm have all the dependencies or do I have to search for those too?"
Not if you setup your repositories (which you have to do with Ubuntu's apt-get too BTW).