To lend credibility to your post, please cite the "TWO" (in capital letters) scientific research papers you are referring to. Also, point out the sections which prove that you "CAN NOT COUNT ON THEM" (again your caps). BTW, Caps don't make your post more accurate for lack of links to proper information.
If you accuse grandparent of getting info from wrong places, then why do you not provide sources to back up your claims? (Do as I say, not as I do?)After you provide the info we can analyze it. TIA
I'm sorry, but people don't buy Windows XP because it's "hyped and marketed",
Try to tell that to the common person like my parents and many others who have questioned whether they should upgrade to Vista, because they've seen the advertising and are convinced by it. The common person does not know of Peter Gutmann or Bruce Schnier let alone put any weight to their words. The common person is who Microsoft is going after with advertising and it's working effectively.
The only Vista sales that represent sales to people who might even have potentially switched to Linux are sales to people who are already running XP and who don't need to switch to Vista.
And that would have been even more the case if Vista had not come to market. You are correct, and as more time passed, there would have been more potential of this happening, which is one of my original arguments.
because the whole point to the DRM components in Vista is to reduce the reliability of the operating system
I'm unsure how focus switched over to an unusual claim about DRM that would have made it into XP too, even to the same degree (through software updates) had XP not been succeeded by Vista. When Microsoft wants to do something they go ahead using what they have. It's soup du jour to rag on DRM here on Slashdot which lends an air of interest to that statement in this context.
This is just the start of the backlash against Vista. Far from being necessary to "keep linux from the door", Vista is a tremendous risk for Microsoft... and no matter what they say in public they have to be worried about the low uptake.
Consider this simple point: When Microsoft drops support for XP, then Vista will indeed become the most secure and reliable. Microsoft is not stupid. They have already taken the steps to ensure Vista will have nothing to worry about, either low uptake- or reputation-wise. Everyone has their plunder on Vista now but the arguments are reminiscent of when Windows 95 (the next big step at the time) supplanted Windows 3.x. Just by looking at history repeating itself, we can see these arguments will fade into the same places as time wears on and then be brushed off and offered again in the future when Microsoft makes another large change.
Briefing for your call with Wired is below. We want to keep it short and not offer any
new avenues to him - Fred has done plenty of reporting here and it is time for him to
stop and just write the article.
Microsoft PR Person:... Um, I'm sorry Mr. Balmer, did you mean *not* to leak his dossier to him? Just put down the chair PLEASSEEE !
Mono is taking a lot of good concepts away from.NET (which M$ stole from others). From reading the posts here I see many people have a weird knee-jerk reaction when the name Microsoft is mentioned and then they immediately and totally lose perspective and jump to conclusions.
Many people should do some reading about Mono and how it also embraces open source solutions, incorporating a lot of the good features from a variety of open source projects.
As a developer, don't necessarily talk yourself out of an interesting development platform.
I'm all for the complete separation of Mono from Microsoft.NET. Sandbox it for open source needs and usage. It has a lot of potential. And don't forget, you wouldn't be using "Microsoft" technologies because Microsoft stole most of the ideas from other languages and platforms i.e. Java, C++. Embrace and extend.
That he now is just a corporate shill investing all his time and energy in a misguided language project [...] he has ceased to be a big player.
Whoa, below the belt! I don't know about you, but if De Icaza can reimplement a complete framework built by Microsoft teams (cutting edge stuff), he has a lot of programming prowess and deserves respect in my books no matter if I agree with the Mono project or not. Because you don't agree with his decision, you have decided to disparage everything about him in your post: all the good he has done, and even his talent. Something tells me you're soar about something, although nobody knows what that is. But I can surely say you don't stand a chance when put up against someone who is as accomplished as De Icaza whether you agree with him or not. Whoever you are I doubt you would even be a lot of fun at a party. *Cold chill* *shudder*
They're selling almost the same number of copies of Windows as they would have if Vista had never shipped.
Indeed, which in and of itself constitutes making a killing because a lot of Windows is still being sold, making Microsoft the largest software company, because they know how to keep doing this. If they had left XP alone too long, there would not have been much remaining to cannibalize because a product can only be hyped and marketed for so long before it starts losing ground to the competition, like to Linux. Microsoft needed to replace XP with Vista to keep the cash cow going. The new Vista can be hyped to oblivion now but someday they will need to replace it too. XP ran its time, even if it would have been sold anyway because it would have started losing ground. Regardless of what product Microsoft is replacing with a successor, they are going to ensure they keep making a killing in the software business and therefore ensure they will be around for a long time.
The Associated Press dug deeper, noting that since XP's release the overall PC market has grown by almost a factor of 2, so it would be a surprise if Vista didn't do twice as well:
Why split hairs about comparative "wellness". Regardless, Microsoft is making a financial killing. If they've sold twice as much Vista then they've sold twice as much Vista no matter what's happening with the PC market. The money is in their pockets and they will continue to be the largest software company because they can keep doing that.
The small size is so problematic that they actually fit another key on the keyboard; therefore we can determine the more problems they encounter due to the small form factor, the larger the small keyboard will grow. Isn't there something wrong with this logic? Ah there we go.
I was actually going for more of a sense of situational irony; however I admit not much thought went to the wording at the time. The best part has been the enjoyment of reading through all the comments about my statement. Isn't that just a little bit... ironic?
Indeed not buying Vista ever will save you the headaches of Windows just as never buying Tiger will save you the headaches of Mac and never buying Ubuntu will save you the headaches of Linux. However if everybody followed this advice then nobody would have an operating system.
Just to be ironic I downloaded and installed Gran Paradiso Alpha 3 and then read this thread and submitted this comment through it. (Well, will see about comment in a moment when I press the button...)
[Microsoft] never would have made source for ajax available had open source not existed.
If open source did not exist what would be the point of anybody opening up source code? You can't really put Microsoft down based on a flawed theory. It's like putting down Lance Armstrong because he wouldn't have put the effort forward to win the Tour de France if bicycles had not existed.
Sure, paint three walls and knock out the fourth so you can get access in the next room (or the same room now). Repeat until wireless signal is available *only* throughout office or home. Quick, shut down the wireless network, I need to open the front door. Why's it so dark in here... oh ya we painted over the Windows.
I couldn't easily find the KinderStart web site via Google search results funny enough; however if you type kinderstart.com into your address bar you'll get there. Really hard to find on Google for some weird reason.
That doesn't make firewalls near worthless. The firewall wasn't meant to handle the situation you described. Instead of comparing apples and oranges, consider instead that different kinds of security are needed in addition to the firewall. This still doesn't discount the usefulness of the firewall for its purpose. Change your perspective for a moment and consider that when a malware-infested laptop is plugged into the network there are other mechanisms that can be implemented to handle it. Think outside the box.
"they produced a three second movie showing the initial burst that is thought to be the source of much of the iron in the universe"
Bob: But we'll never get funding with a three second image. This thing had to have caused something useful..
Joe: Well, um... how about something specific like Kevin Federline?
Bob: No, panders too much to popular culture.
Joe: That's too bad because my next thought was heavy metal music. Oh, how about some type of boring "metal" like iron ore. It's in some vitamins too which will interest the average consumer.
Bob: That'll do. We have to get the funding proposal out by noon.
Those employees had better be damned dedicated to the company if no centralized physical space exists anymore. You will find yourselves meeting in a lot of places.
Maybe just downgrade the space to something like a meeting room you can rent a few times a week.
If I may refute my own post, I'm somewhat full of shit, not about language changing, but about Shakespeare. I just downloaded the complete works. He does use "am"'ing (e.g. "I am going, forsooth"). You have to go back even further to find such examples missing from the language.
Maybe someone with more knowledge of the subject can provide more clarification. I'm done trying for now.
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If you accuse grandparent of getting info from wrong places, then why do you not provide sources to back up your claims? (Do as I say, not as I do?)After you provide the info we can analyze it. TIA
Try to tell that to the common person like my parents and many others who have questioned whether they should upgrade to Vista, because they've seen the advertising and are convinced by it. The common person does not know of Peter Gutmann or Bruce Schnier let alone put any weight to their words. The common person is who Microsoft is going after with advertising and it's working effectively.
The only Vista sales that represent sales to people who might even have potentially switched to Linux are sales to people who are already running XP and who don't need to switch to Vista.
And that would have been even more the case if Vista had not come to market. You are correct, and as more time passed, there would have been more potential of this happening, which is one of my original arguments.
because the whole point to the DRM components in Vista is to reduce the reliability of the operating system
I'm unsure how focus switched over to an unusual claim about DRM that would have made it into XP too, even to the same degree (through software updates) had XP not been succeeded by Vista. When Microsoft wants to do something they go ahead using what they have. It's soup du jour to rag on DRM here on Slashdot which lends an air of interest to that statement in this context.
This is just the start of the backlash against Vista. Far from being necessary to "keep linux from the door", Vista is a tremendous risk for Microsoft... and no matter what they say in public they have to be worried about the low uptake.
Consider this simple point: When Microsoft drops support for XP, then Vista will indeed become the most secure and reliable. Microsoft is not stupid. They have already taken the steps to ensure Vista will have nothing to worry about, either low uptake- or reputation-wise. Everyone has their plunder on Vista now but the arguments are reminiscent of when Windows 95 (the next big step at the time) supplanted Windows 3.x. Just by looking at history repeating itself, we can see these arguments will fade into the same places as time wears on and then be brushed off and offered again in the future when Microsoft makes another large change.
Briefing for your call with Wired is below. We want to keep it short and not offer any new avenues to him - Fred has done plenty of reporting here and it is time for him to stop and just write the article.
Microsoft PR Person:
Many people should do some reading about Mono and how it also embraces open source solutions, incorporating a lot of the good features from a variety of open source projects.
As a developer, don't necessarily talk yourself out of an interesting development platform.
I'm all for the complete separation of Mono from Microsoft .NET. Sandbox it for open source needs and usage. It has a lot of potential. And don't forget, you wouldn't be using "Microsoft" technologies because Microsoft stole most of the ideas from other languages and platforms i.e. Java, C++. Embrace and extend.
Whoa, below the belt! I don't know about you, but if De Icaza can reimplement a complete framework built by Microsoft teams (cutting edge stuff), he has a lot of programming prowess and deserves respect in my books no matter if I agree with the Mono project or not. Because you don't agree with his decision, you have decided to disparage everything about him in your post: all the good he has done, and even his talent. Something tells me you're soar about something, although nobody knows what that is. But I can surely say you don't stand a chance when put up against someone who is as accomplished as De Icaza whether you agree with him or not. Whoever you are I doubt you would even be a lot of fun at a party. *Cold chill* *shudder*
Indeed, which in and of itself constitutes making a killing because a lot of Windows is still being sold, making Microsoft the largest software company, because they know how to keep doing this. If they had left XP alone too long, there would not have been much remaining to cannibalize because a product can only be hyped and marketed for so long before it starts losing ground to the competition, like to Linux. Microsoft needed to replace XP with Vista to keep the cash cow going. The new Vista can be hyped to oblivion now but someday they will need to replace it too. XP ran its time, even if it would have been sold anyway because it would have started losing ground. Regardless of what product Microsoft is replacing with a successor, they are going to ensure they keep making a killing in the software business and therefore ensure they will be around for a long time.
Salads and sheep are made of the same building blocks.
Think about that the next time you feed the salad to the sheep.
The small size is so problematic that they actually fit another key on the keyboard; therefore we can determine the more problems they encounter due to the small form factor, the larger the small keyboard will grow. Isn't there something wrong with this logic? Ah there we go.
Hahahahhaha ROTFL ... I wish I had mod points right now. What a crazy find that is.
Obviously you aren't aware of the expense of funeral costs nowadays. Being dead does not save you money, just aggravation. One out of two ain't bad.
I was actually going for more of a sense of situational irony; however I admit not much thought went to the wording at the time. The best part has been the enjoyment of reading through all the comments about my statement. Isn't that just a little bit ... ironic?
Indeed not buying Vista ever will save you the headaches of Windows just as never buying Tiger will save you the headaches of Mac and never buying Ubuntu will save you the headaches of Linux. However if everybody followed this advice then nobody would have an operating system.
Now that's some the most interesting or insightful advice I've heard.
If somebody comes by with mod points, I suggest taking a look at parent post.
It just means I bought music in bulk at a discounted price.
Just to be ironic I downloaded and installed Gran Paradiso Alpha 3 and then read this thread and submitted this comment through it. (Well, will see about comment in a moment when I press the button ...)
Sure, paint three walls and knock out the fourth so you can get access in the next room (or the same room now). Repeat until wireless signal is available *only* throughout office or home. Quick, shut down the wireless network, I need to open the front door. Why's it so dark in here ... oh ya we painted over the Windows.
I couldn't easily find the KinderStart web site via Google search results funny enough; however if you type kinderstart.com into your address bar you'll get there. Really hard to find on Google for some weird reason.
That doesn't make firewalls near worthless. The firewall wasn't meant to handle the situation you described. Instead of comparing apples and oranges, consider instead that different kinds of security are needed in addition to the firewall. This still doesn't discount the usefulness of the firewall for its purpose. Change your perspective for a moment and consider that when a malware-infested laptop is plugged into the network there are other mechanisms that can be implemented to handle it. Think outside the box.
Bob: But we'll never get funding with a three second image. This thing had to have caused something useful .. ... how about something specific like Kevin Federline?
Joe: Well, um
Bob: No, panders too much to popular culture.
Joe: That's too bad because my next thought was heavy metal music. Oh, how about some type of boring "metal" like iron ore. It's in some vitamins too which will interest the average consumer.
Bob: That'll do. We have to get the funding proposal out by noon.
Wow, you typed ALL that in 10 mins? I would have instead started with "I'll respond only because I've got 2.5 paragraphs to waste ..."
But why would SAP spider Oracle's support site? What could they do with support information?
Those employees had better be damned dedicated to the company if no centralized physical space exists anymore. You will find yourselves meeting in a lot of places. Maybe just downgrade the space to something like a meeting room you can rent a few times a week.
If I may refute my own post, I'm somewhat full of shit, not about language changing, but about Shakespeare. I just downloaded the complete works. He does use "am"'ing (e.g. "I am going, forsooth"). You have to go back even further to find such examples missing from the language. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the subject can provide more clarification. I'm done trying for now.