Please don't group mySQL (crap) and Postgres (great system) into the same grouping
Why not? Both are open source DBMS, right? Next you're going to tell me not lump Emacs and Vim in the same category. Both accomplish the same task, each have their strengths and weakness, and each represent a very different design. I don't see the problem.
It's actually not all that unusual for the source code for an OS (or any project, for that matter) to be much, much larger than the resulting installable code.
Take a look, for example, at the Linux source. The kernel source is like -- what? -- 300MB?
The resultant compiled and compressed kernel on a 32-bit system is like 1.7MB.
So the source is like 300X the size of the resultant kernel.
Earth to Slashdot... this is how almost every major OSS project runs; people who pay for developers [such as me] will get the features they want.
Indeed. This is not new. Apache, Samba, the Linux kernel, OpenOffice.org, Mozilla's product line, Eclipse, etc., all have features that were bought and paid for by someone, whether by directly employing the individuals involved, or through donations to a supporting foundation, or a little of both.
I'm not saying that's good or bad -- it's just a part of the open source landscape today and will remain so for quite some time to come. It's good in that encourages development that benefits everyone. It's bad in that development effort may tend to get concentrated along pet projects that may or may not be useful to the greatest number of users.
But, like everything else in life, you take the good, the bad and the ugly and roll with it.
Piracy --> copyright infringement Innovation --> purchasing software technology and companies in order to illegally maintain a monopoly Retail version --> beta test version Beta version --> alpha test version Technology preview --> smoke and mirrors demo Vista --> abbreviation of 'Windows Hasta la Vista, Baby!', a horribly broken release of Microsoft Windows almost nobody likes Global anti-piracy day --> Fsck you Linux-using dirty, filthy hippie pirates!
For what? As some sort of example of reality? The movie is about a black box encryption device that can supposedly break any encryption on any computer built by, of all people, the Russians.
No. My point is that Oracle scales very well and is trusted in the enterprise for enterprise-level applications. It's supported by major enterpise application vendors as SAP, UGS/Siemens, etc. It's a known quantity. Truth be told, until enough large enterprises are running MySQL or Postgres for applications on this scale, they will never be trusted for major enterprise-level applications. These databases are shared out all over the globe and if they're not running Oracle, they're running DB2 on an IBM mainframe. Downtime is simply not an option.
clearly you've never been somewhere that thought oracle was a good idea either...
In many cases, Oracle is a good idea. There are many cases where MySQL or Postgres will just not due. I've seen 96 CPU Oracle servers (actually CPUs, not just 96 cores) kicking around databases with terrabytes of data. How many Postgres boxes have you seen at that scale? I haven't seen any.
It's not as if Red Hat doesn't negotiate enterprise and volume licensing just like Microsoft. Since Red Hat is a much smaller company with lower overhead and a product that doesn't cost nearly as much to maintain thanks to the slave labor, uh, I mean, volunteer efforts of the open source community, they have a lot more wiggle room.
Do you really think the MoD (or the CIA, NSA, etc.) are going to provide us with the real deal? Of course it's a whitewa.....NO, NO NOT THE ANAL PROBE AGAIN!!!
Jeff Hornby: Hello, Mr. Bin Laden. I have an 11-year-old Jeep parked outside. Buried somewhere in that Jeep is enough weapons-grade plutonium to make 4 nuclear warheads. How much will you give me for my 11-year-old Jeep? Osama Bin Laden: 25 billion dollars! Assuming what you say proves to be true, that is. Jeff: Okay! My 11-year-old jeep is worth $25 billion! Study complete!
Interesting. Are you implying that you believe that Fossett may not actually be dead, but is hiding out in a submarine somewhere deep below the surface of the ocean? Or am I reading too much into your statement?
You can't say we're unique in the galaxy and you can't say we're not. Our galaxy alone is vast. The problem is exactly as you describe it. As long as you're dealing with unknown data and unknown quantities and making any assumptions about life or conditions elsewhere, you're just generating bullshit.
'Advanced' life could be like it is here, but it could be something we've failed to imagine. Life exists in all sorts of conditions here on Earth. We don't even know for sure that there isn't life on some place as close as Mars, mostly because we are only looking for life as we know it. What about life we have no clue about? And if that's the case, then how can we be sure about anything?
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Please don't group mySQL (crap) and Postgres (great system) into the same grouping
Why not? Both are open source DBMS, right? Next you're going to tell me not lump Emacs and Vim in the same category. Both accomplish the same task, each have their strengths and weakness, and each represent a very different design. I don't see the problem.
It's actually not all that unusual for the source code for an OS (or any project, for that matter) to be much, much larger than the resulting installable code.
Take a look, for example, at the Linux source. The kernel source is like -- what? -- 300MB?
The resultant compiled and compressed kernel on a 32-bit system is like 1.7MB.
So the source is like 300X the size of the resultant kernel.
And that's just the kernel.
Earth to Slashdot... this is how almost every major OSS project runs; people who pay for developers [such as me] will get the features they want.
Indeed. This is not new. Apache, Samba, the Linux kernel, OpenOffice.org, Mozilla's product line, Eclipse, etc., all have features that were bought and paid for by someone, whether by directly employing the individuals involved, or through donations to a supporting foundation, or a little of both.
I'm not saying that's good or bad -- it's just a part of the open source landscape today and will remain so for quite some time to come. It's good in that encourages development that benefits everyone. It's bad in that development effort may tend to get concentrated along pet projects that may or may not be useful to the greatest number of users.
But, like everything else in life, you take the good, the bad and the ugly and roll with it.
Today is Global Linux on the Desktop Day!
You, too, can speak Microsoft-ese!
Here is a Microsoft-ese to English primer:
Piracy --> copyright infringement
Innovation --> purchasing software technology and companies in order to illegally maintain a monopoly
Retail version --> beta test version
Beta version --> alpha test version
Technology preview --> smoke and mirrors demo
Vista --> abbreviation of 'Windows Hasta la Vista, Baby!', a horribly broken release of Microsoft Windows almost nobody likes
Global anti-piracy day --> Fsck you Linux-using dirty, filthy hippie pirates!
I have no idea. But it wasn't my money. I was just being paid for my Oracle expertise. Very well, I might add. ;)
We watched it in my IT class,
For what? As some sort of example of reality? The movie is about a black box encryption device that can supposedly break any encryption on any computer built by, of all people, the Russians.
No. My point is that Oracle scales very well and is trusted in the enterprise for enterprise-level applications. It's supported by major enterpise application vendors as SAP, UGS/Siemens, etc. It's a known quantity. Truth be told, until enough large enterprises are running MySQL or Postgres for applications on this scale, they will never be trusted for major enterprise-level applications. These databases are shared out all over the globe and if they're not running Oracle, they're running DB2 on an IBM mainframe. Downtime is simply not an option.
clearly you've never been somewhere that thought oracle was a good idea either...
In many cases, Oracle is a good idea. There are many cases where MySQL or Postgres will just not due. I've seen 96 CPU Oracle servers (actually CPUs, not just 96 cores) kicking around databases with terrabytes of data. How many Postgres boxes have you seen at that scale? I haven't seen any.
It's not as if Red Hat doesn't negotiate enterprise and volume licensing just like Microsoft. Since Red Hat is a much smaller company with lower overhead and a product that doesn't cost nearly as much to maintain thanks to the slave labor, uh, I mean, volunteer efforts of the open source community, they have a lot more wiggle room.
True. But Red Hat owns and supports JBoss, so, uh, what do you think they're going to be pushing to their enterprise customers?
Arrrrgghhhh!!! OMFG! He's TAKING OVER!!!
And this coming from a guy who lives in France. Sheesh.
Figures. Half the things that Anonymous Coward guy says definitely sound like they came from the mouths of aliens.
Do you really think the MoD (or the CIA, NSA, etc.) are going to provide us with the real deal? Of course it's a whitewa.....NO, NO NOT THE ANAL PROBE AGAIN!!!
Exactly which database MEMBERS are these compatible with?
In that case, it should work great for my collection.
Get a windows mobile device then.
No thanks.
In particular, the touchscreen model, the Thunder, is sold exclusively through Verizon in the U.S.
Certain models are on exclusive contract with the carriers.
You mean like this?
Jeff Hornby: Hello, Mr. Bin Laden. I have an 11-year-old Jeep parked outside. Buried somewhere in that Jeep is enough weapons-grade plutonium to make 4 nuclear warheads. How much will you give me for my 11-year-old Jeep?
Osama Bin Laden: 25 billion dollars! Assuming what you say proves to be true, that is.
Jeff: Okay! My 11-year-old jeep is worth $25 billion! Study complete!
Mod parent recursive !!!
I did, but now I can't seem to read it or my own post!
$ chmod -R +1 ../.. .: Permission denied.
$ ls -al
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You're probably right, although who knows what improvements in advanced SONAR the military might have.
Interesting. Are you implying that you believe that Fossett may not actually be dead, but is hiding out in a submarine somewhere deep below the surface of the ocean? Or am I reading too much into your statement?
Exactly right.
You can't say we're unique in the galaxy and you can't say we're not. Our galaxy alone is vast. The problem is exactly as you describe it. As long as you're dealing with unknown data and unknown quantities and making any assumptions about life or conditions elsewhere, you're just generating bullshit.
'Advanced' life could be like it is here, but it could be something we've failed to imagine. Life exists in all sorts of conditions here on Earth. We don't even know for sure that there isn't life on some place as close as Mars, mostly because we are only looking for life as we know it. What about life we have no clue about? And if that's the case, then how can we be sure about anything?