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UK UFO Sightings Declassified, Still No Intergalactic Relations
schwit1 is just one of the massive flood of readers (and publications) writing to tell us about the recently declassified UK Ministry of Defense account of a supposed UFO sighting. Included are nineteen sightings between 1986 and 1992, with the most notable being a sighting in 1991 with a US Air Force pilot's first-hand account. Not that this lends an air of credibility to anything, just more papers with more words. "Almost 200 such files will be made available by the MoD over the next four years. [...] UFO expert and journalism lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, Dr David Clarke, said the documents would shed new light on relatively little-known sightings. He said some conspiracy theorists would already have decided that the release of the papers was a 'whitewash.' He added: 'Because the subject is bedevilled by charlatans and lunatics, it is career suicide to have your name associated with UFOs, which is a real pity. The National Archives are doing a fantastic job here. Everyone brings their own interpretation. Now you can look at the actual primary material — the stuff coming into the MoD every day — and make your own mind up.'"
The U.S. government weren't trying to cover up aliens at places like Roswell, they were covering up their secret spy aircraft. Why do you think most of these "UFO cover-ups" involved strange craft spotted near isolated air force bases at the height of the Cold War? Project Blue Book wasn't about little green men, it was about making sure no one had gotten a good look at their latest prototype stealth planes and also checking to see if any hillbillies might have actually spotted any Soviet spy planes in the area.
No alien civilization is expending the mammoth amount of resources needed to traverse the vast distances of interstellar space just to stick a probe up your ass. Deal with it.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Do you really think the MoD (or the CIA, NSA, etc.) are going to provide us with the real deal? Of course it's a whitewa.....NO, NO NOT THE ANAL PROBE AGAIN!!!
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Every UFO conspiracy theorist is waiting to find out the percentage of Slashdotters who are not from this world.
I'm betting it's a bit over 27.18% but a friend of mine thinks it's around 31.42%.
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it is career suicide to have your name associated with UFOs
Not career suicide, just a hilariously pointless hobby like squirrel eating ... or Warcraft.
Something that's always bothered me about Alien sightings and 'abductions' is that the sightings really didn't kick off until 1897 which coincides closely with the release of the War of the Worlds. And, interestingly enough, alien abductions didn't really take off until the 1960s when movies about abductions had been in circulation since the 50s (as any devout MST3K fan knows).
Aside from a few odd reportings (and maybe a few religions) the above holds true.
We are human beings, we have awesome imaginations and a multitude of chemicals that effect them. I don't know what it's like to be coked out in an opium den or suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning but I think a lot of UFO stuff is pretty much a direct result of the human psyche, not extraterrestrials.
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"charlatans and lunatics" - what an exquisitely perfect choice of words ...
Great! Maybe it's time to have another chat with Edgar Mitchell...
The government is still holding onto the REAL paperwork that shows what they've been hiding all these years! This stuff they're declassifying is just a distraction. ...or so the kooks will be saying shortly, if not already.
Do you mean the UK Ministry of Defence???
The aliens vaporized it.
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This came out last May guys...
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Sorry as long as there aren't good and verified explanations for all the UFO sightings out there we can't rule out the existence of alien craft visiting our planet. Having said that, the chances of aliens visiting us is really very small. The first reported UFO sightings are much older than 1897, BTW.
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To counter your wildly irresponsible statements, I offer proof.
Maybe the aliens just want to test our tendency to panic, create histaria, and believe ridiculous things even though a plausible explanation may already exist ?
to hide the fact they have been spending the defence budget on giant Nerf guns.
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Obviously these are just the reported UFO sightings that weren't aliens.
Say it with me folks.... UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Of course UFO's exist! If a flaming dead cat is dropped from an airplane at night, and no one can identify it, it's a UFO. Anything that cannot readily be identified, and that flies, is a UFO. Now, whether some of these UFOs are alien spacecraft is an entirely different matter. Of course, once a UFO is identified as an alien spacecraft, it would then cease to be a UFO at all.
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I see something.
I don't know what it is.
Therefore it is an alien spacecraft.
QED
I'm from Earth, but I'm a cyborg. No, really, I am. You will be assimilated.
Anyway, back on topic. I just had New Scientest open, and they are running the same story:
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Can we please get some entertaining trolls? This simply makes no sense.
The documents actually contain correspondance from people writing to the minister of defense asking for more information. So the material would also be of interest for researching what questions people ask about the UFO sightings. I wrote ver briefly about it earlier today here: http://www.arnold.se/chris/2008/10/british-ufo-archive-released/
"Not that this lends an air of credibility to anything, just more papers with more words. " ...spoken like someone who didn't take the time to read the documents before jumping to conclusions. Congratulations on that.
The ancient Sumerians had a Star Gate and in their cuneiforms a tale was told of a craft with a lapiz lazuli underbelly and inside it had walls that talked and gave advice. I can not find a direct link to the text at the moment.
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Don't you all realize that by now? We are nothing more than a lab experiment for them. Our world is their test tube. The sightings etc are just them coming to check on our progress. the pyramids, stonehenge, and the heads on easter island..are just a few of the things created to worship our alien Gods.
Bow now and worship before its too late! When is the next comet due?? Anyone for some kool aid?
Interestingly, the US has had, for several decades, a system which can detect UFOs - GEODSS, the Ground Based-Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance System. Each GEODSS site (there are three currently active, plus a mobile unit) has a pair of 40-inch telescopes. These were the first fully computerized telescopes, working since the 1980s. The telescopes scan the sky every night. They can detect moving bright objects as streaks, but there's more capability than that. They have a star atlas, and know what should be in each image, so anything that shouldn't be there is detected. If a known star is missing, that's interesting too; it may indicate a dark object. There are two telescopes, so for low-orbit objects, they can get parallax. Multiple sites can be coupled together to get parallax on more distant objects. They can even use one telescope with a laser to illuminate satellites while taking a picture with the other. This is how the USAF finds new satellites, near-earth asteroids, and nonmetallic space junk. The system was recnelty upgraded to use CCD imagers (it used to be tube camera based) and to use better alignment algorithms, so it's now both more sensitive and more accurate.
This is all tied to NORAD in Colorado Springs. GEODSS knows what an incoming ICBM trajectory looks like, and if it ever sees one, NORAD gets notified, without any action from the GEODSS site operators.
GEODSS is a real, live, functional UFO detection system that's been running for decades. If anything big enough to be interesting was anywhere near the planet for more than a few hours, it would be noticed. Even the target didn't reflect radar or light, it could be detected because it would occasionally occult a star.
... seem to be centred around Bonnybridge. Now, without wanting to sound like a UFO skeptic (I'm not) I do find myself wondering if "strange lights in the east" might have something to do with the flare stacks at the oil refinery in Grangemouth, the very bright strobes on a nearby pair of *immense* electricity pylons (couple of hundred metres tall) and a very tall power station chimney with strobes. Couple all that up with a bit of low cloud and you get some very odd effects. I used to drive through this area every day - at night in the winter you got some really odd glare off the clouds.
UFO..... Maybe a secret hypersonic craft, since the SR 71 is retired, and there in "no" current replacement ? A cover up for soviet hypersonics ? Can't admit they have one and we don't. Consider that it is a great big deal to get here. I agree with the poster that your "abducted" people story is not rational. Kidnap a few humans if you need them, breed, and sequence the DNA, or just clone your own if you need to at this level of supposed technology. No one is coming here to bugger Bubba. Of course, if anyone had alien tech, it would be a huge leg up, aka the Terminator or Star Trek's Timeship stories. The fact that no one has just come out with a clean endless power source or radical new weapon is proof that no one has any significant alien artifacts.. -or at least ones we can figure out.
...good for, when you've got genuine castles with even more genuine ghosts, and then again Nessie if Scottish summer gets all too boring?
If anything, Her Majesty's extraterrestrials, keen to avoid any interference with the Royal Air Force (or, heaven forfend, the Home Secretary's wrath), stay orderly well grounded, and are kept busy making corn circles to lure Japanese tourists or those from insubordinate colonies to the fields of Devon!
There are literally tens-of-millions (if not hundreds of millions) more cameras in the hands of the residents of the planet earth than there were even 15 years ago. Cameras in phones, cameras in purses, cameras in trunks of cars, cameras in PDAs, the list goes on. Most of the cameras also shoot video.
As a consequence we have many more pictures of police misconduct and celebrity's privates than we ever have in the past, but we have no noticeable increases in the numbers of good UFO pictures (or good sasquatch pics for that matter).
If the number of UFOs are constant, and there are many more cameras, why aren't we seeing many more pictures flooding the intertubes?
There's obviously a lot of skepticism on this site.. however a few years ago I was having a bbq and, before you ask no one had started drinking or smoking anything, but a couple of us saw these silver globes traveling EXTREMELY fast around the clear sky, they (and there was about 8 of them) sped over the horizon and then shot upwards twirling around each other. DEFINITELY not a bird, plane.. photos are: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/2959668832_e5abe840d1_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2959668228_778ac7d3d9_o.jpg After seeing these, I'm convinced we're not alone..
Where F-94s and F-86Ds.
The ADC would practice night intercepts on airliners. Those two aircraft where some of the first to have afterburners. The pilots would often light the burner and pull up. Then shut down the burner.
Strange light making unusual maneuvers then is gone...
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Yeah. Everyone knows that the actual aliens that visit Britain are quite easy to identify, since they'll usually introduce themselves if asked.
Though they sometimes introduce themselves by exterminating you.
Don't forget the bad teeth. British aliens all have bad teeth.
... kept busy making corn circles to lure Japanese tourists or those from insubordinate colonies to the fields of Devon!
Heaven knows there's bugger-all else worth seeing in Devon.
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I once saw something exactly like you describe and your pictures show. I got my telescope and saw an aluminum foil balloon. It was much smaller and nearer than it seemed before I recognized it. It's really funny, how something that seemed like a huge metallic spacecraft flying extremely fast miles away was suddenly diminished to a small child's toy floating at a hundred yards distance.
I just had interstellar relations with that radiator woman from the radiator planet.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
The second half was footage from the night before of a group of cidered up locals constructing the circle with the aid of some lengths of string and wooden planks.
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If the number of UFOs are constant, and there are many more cameras, why aren't we seeing many more pictures flooding the intertubes?
You must look in order to see. --This is always the case when it comes to subjects which do not bear the stamp of, "Official Truth".
There are actually quite a lot of phone camera UFO pictures. Videos, too. --Many tend to be poorly shot and of low resolution, but that's to be expected given that the objects are photographed with crappy cameras at great distances by untrained people. I expect as resolutions on phone cameras get more powerful, we'll also get better images.
-FL
Sorry, having an Air Force captain (pilot) describe seeing this *does* lend an air of credibility. The Air Force doesn't let Jim from the trailer park fly their planes.
Do you have ESP?
Rectal thermometers are standard in hospitals and rectal probes would be safer for the patient and the alien scientist than oral ones.
Second if youre doing scientific experiments on a primitive population your not going to raid the population center youll grab somone on an outlying settlement. Plus you would figure the rednecks would have interesting diseases to study.
I hung out with journalist John Keel (investigator of the "Mothman" phenomena on which the "Mothman Prophecies" movie with Richard Gere was based) back in the early '70's. Even at that time, he had figured out and convinced me that what was going on with UFOs was far more complex and intricate than mere "alien spacecraft". All the conventional explanations were clearly wrong. Yet, forty years after he began his investigations in the late '60's. most people still think the alternatives are either mundane phenomena or "aliens".
UFO research has not advanced intelligently in forty years - or sixty years if you count from the original 1947 disk sightings (which, by the way, were just another variant of related phenomena going back thousands of years.)
My own theory is simply that some protohuman species got smart before humans did, developed technology before humans did, and developed nanotechnology before humans even had any sort of civilization. This theory requires nothing but the realization that there were several protohuman species that existed before humans, and that nanotechnology would eventually lead to the ability to do what these phenomena appear to do. No "aliens" required. What you're looking at when you see a UFO is not an "alien spacecraft" but a Transhuman - or something a Transhuman conjured up for you to look at while it goes about its business.
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Nice to see that all this material has been kept safe so long while mundane crap like the proles' names,addresses,social security numbers, bank account numbers, passport data etc ad nauseum get left in every train carriage and taxi in the land.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
I agree to the assumption that we can't possibly be the only sentient species in the universe and given there were a few million years to evolve why shouldn't have something come up with better ways of generating energy? Not every species is as retarded as ours...
Millionaire internet entrepreneur Joe Firmage (he cashed in before the dotcom credit crash) has plenty to say about UFOs!
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How do I know? Well ... you hear too many accounts of sightings for it not to be true. Where there is smoke there is fire. Am I right?
And the fact that we don't see more accounts of this in the mainstream media and that declassified reports don't mention them only means that there's a huge conspiracy to suppress all the evidence.
So there!
(Of whatever origin they may be)...
When I was a kid and we used to make annual or even bi-annual trips down to see my grandmother and my uncles, my dad would tell me all sorts of stories about when he was younger, things like Soviet weapons tests over the Mediterranean, projects in the US & Canada (and things like the flower planting projects along Texas highways), along with other more random things...
My dad's not the kind of person to think UFO = aliens, but UFO = americans thinking outside the box. For all I know he's worked on some of these projects... Well, one of the things he told me about, was what he thought the USAF was up to... And this is some interesting stuff. So he's talking to me about airspaces, and how 50,000+ (or was it 500k?) is gvt-only, and past that is space... Well, he started talking about how you could judge a plane's direction (headed for Cuba, LA, England, or just to Chicago) based on its size in the sky (guessing at how high up it was based on things like airspaces)...
And he mentions to me this: that the US army likely has giant planes, floating around, with big plasma (or LCD or w/e) screens attached at the bottom, used to reflect what's above down below. So for non-government onlookers, nothing is there. But, go up into gvt-airspace, or out in to space, and tada! Giant airship! Able to stay in the sky fairly long; maybe not nuclear-powered, but maybe refueled from other planes, or simply refueled remotely and "carried up"...
Just was curious to see what people thought of it. Maybe this is why only the Russians seem to do commercial space travel and often it's a warned-far-in-advance sort of thing, with you up in space for only a couple of days? (I think. maybe longer to wait for another shuttle?)
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On earth the highest order creatures use rectal "probing" more than the lower creatures. It only stands to reason that more advanced creatures would have an even greater interest on rectal probing than us humans.
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It is also worth reading "DMT - The Spirit Molecule" by Dr. Rick Strassman.
Dimethyltryptamine is the most powerful hallucinogenic known to man, and the book concerns the study of the effects DMT has on the human mind. During the experiements he discovers that the "alien abduction experience" can be recreated "at will" by administering relatively high doses of DMT.
DMT occurs naturally in the human brain and is regulated by the pineal gland - we are all taking a dose of the schedule one drug right now.
From this we can determine that perhaps the "alien abduction experience" is built in to us at some level, and that those who experience it have somehow triggered a flood of DMT.
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you all are amazing. I thought slashdot would have a more open minded group of readers than this. UFOS ARE REAL and I know it because I have seen them. Why is everyone so full of themselves to not even consider the possibility? I thought intelligent people came here , not a bunch of elitist know-it alls.
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Anybody who drinks enough Windex will se a UFO, flashing lights and all.
Keep in mind, "UFO"s are anything that flys and cannot be identified. This means that *anything* that flies anywhere and cannot be ID'd is technically a UFO.
Just because you, or anybody else cannot ID something flying doesn't mean that is a spaceship.
Personally, I'd recommend laying off of the whiskey and "Duck Dodgers" reruns for a while.
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
The captain of the Alitalia airliner shouted "Look out" to his co-pilot at the sight of a brown missile-shaped object shooting past them overhead.
Sounds like a big piece of shit to me.
That really is the crux of it as I see things.
We're only likely to see the appearance of benevolent aliens if their technology is so advanced that inter-galactic travel is relatively cheap: in both cost and time. Thus their motivation is more likely to be for scientifiy study, cultural exchange or perhaps trade.
Any alien race who is not as advanced and who have to spend huge resources to make a long drawn out journey here, is only going to do so if there's something worthwhile in it for them at the end of the trip. i.e. a hunt for new resources, living space, etc. And they would be more inclined to take what they're after to justify the effort, time and expense.
Having said that, why would any benevolent alien race really want to make contact and establish relations with us? We can hardly offer them peace and friendship without risk to themselves, as we can't even work out how to co-exist with other members of our own species without resorting to violence.
Maybe in 500 years or so, when all countries in the world have grown out of their current tendancies for feudal self interest, and are more focused on mutual economic security, then we'll we fit to interact with any benevolent aliens that (might) exist.
Not in our lifetime though.
Have you heard of the "Kaikoura Lights?"
Another well-documented UFO case with plenty of independent verification from multiple reliable witnesses in different locations, along with air traffic control, etc.
Too bad you posted as AC...let me know if you want to hear more. There is not that much out there on the net about it.
P.S. I am not 100% sure whether aliens or whatever were responsible, but there was definitely some crazy shit going on!
Really? You're pretty sure? Thanks for the heads up!
I think you need to read that book again. DMT is not the most powerful hallucinogen, nor are we "taking a dose ... right now"
Some might subjectively find the experience more powerful than other drugs, but objectively, the active dose is higher than, say, LSD or Salvinorin A. It occurs as an intermediary in meletonin production, but is rapidly converted to other substances. It is possible that for some unknown reason large amounts could accumulate in rare occurrences, and Strassman speculates that this might explain alien abductions and other hallucinatory religious experiences, but there is currently no evidence that it does.
Well, it is...
Venus can look like a bright aircraft landing light coming right at you. You change course 30 degrees and it moves 30 degees, but still keeps a constant bearing - therefore STILL coming right at you. You climb or descend and it STILL lines up right at you! Then you call ATC and they don't see traffic for 100 miles in that direction. Then someone else advises you that the planet Venus is after you and you are so embarassed that you don't talk to anyone for the next hour.
Here's three:
1. The Queen of England is a lizard in a human costume.
2. The Earth is only 5000 years old and the bible is verbatim truth.
3. The Earth is Flat.
4. The "Photon Belt" is coming along with the hollow Nibiru/Planet X filled with alien troops.
5. Elvis is still alive.
To me, those kinds of ideas resonate on the frequency of 'Bullshit'. --And I'm not (just) saying that facetiously. They really DO feel/sound/smell lame in a way which I can't quite put my finger on, but which I can sense from a mile away as being simply wrong. This does not stop many people from believing them, however, which suggests to me that not everybody knows how to use their nose, so to speak.
By contrast, I find that alternate/invisible levels of reality over-lapping ours and traversed by non-human beings visible to us via the near-ubiquitous UFO reports (among other things) in fact doesn't fail my smell-test. There's just something about it all which resonates differently than Elvis.
The mountains of evidence in all its variety also helps to make it convincing. --Though I sometimes think that to dissuade people with well-tuned noses, there is a hefty effort put forth to 'Elvis-ify' the UFO phenomenon by painting it with the same brush as that other nonsense.
Then there are those who don't do any sniff-testing at all, but just believe and react the way they are told to. While it may appear to be a subtle difference, (it's not actually that subtle except to those who are so embroiled), there IS a difference between the smell-test, and measuring something against one's library of accepted facts and experiencing an automatic negative emotional response against anything which isn't in the official card catalog.
Anyway. . , when I give the albeit cool-sounding plasma-tv airship idea offered up by your father the smell-test, it doesn't do so well.
-FL
ufos monitor and land in areas of lesser technology and intelligence so the scrutiny holds less value.