There's a vote to concede in HoN, too, but that seems to be used more when people leave the game and don't reconnect, or towards the end when the winner is obvious, not so much as a "The hell with this team, we're done" button.
I had never heard about LoL until after this thread--probably something for me to look into. I like the 'dungeon crawler' feel, but as the GGP said, the community is quite noxious, and it's not really the type of game one can learn by soloing everything on the map in practice mode.
I had a closed beta invite early on, but the community is angry, rude and just spoil the game.
Echo this. I was lucky enough to get into the closed beta a few weeks ago, when one of my friends sent me an invite key.
There was no tutorial when I started (though there's one now), so I just went into a no stats game. The people there, and in most HoN games, seem to be just generally mean, elitist people who votekick at a moment's notice when another player doesn't exhibit some tidbit of knowledge that they're supposed to have acquired. This is really bad in HoN, since those votekicks affect your ability to play legitimate games.
So, if you know a lot about DoTA, good game. Otherwise, stay away from it unless you know other people in meatspace that can help you out.
So you read the affidavit and think that the hostnames recorded by the DHCP (or other IP-assigning method) server when assigning the IP to the computers used to commit acts being the same hostnames as the ones this guy uses on his laptops isn't probably cause to think his two laptops were involved in those acts?
Considering that changing a hostname is as easy as editing a hosts file, no, I don't. That's pretty common knowledge on a college campus (at least, it is on mine), it could have been spoofed by any of his peers; same with the name of the computer. An entire three commands run on any box could produce that result.
I'd rather he get away with being guilty and keep this kind of thing from happening to innocent people than innocent people have to go through this.
Really, though, I'm more worried about item 4(f)(g); namely, that the fact that he uses an "uncommon operating system" is being considered by some as probable cause in its own right.
I did, before I even posted that. I don't see why that matters, though.
Whether or not an expert was 'requested' doesn't change that they should analyze this kind of information analyzed by someone who knows what's going on *before* taking steps to try to get a judge to authorize the seizure of someone's personal effects. That should obviously be part of the "things that happen before we ruin this guy's life" list, not part of the "things we can wait until later to worry about" list.
2. This was from a search warrant application. Not every cop is computer literate. This is worthy of a few snickers, not a front pager.
If their job includes deciding who to go after based on what happens on teh intarweb, then they should be, or have access to someone who is. It's worthy of being a front pager because he isn't and no one stopped him on that basis.
1. This case involved a "crime" committed using a computer. I know personally if I was put in charge of investigating a computer crime, I would seize every piece of magnetic and writable optical media I could find in the suspect's possession. Doing less would be incompetence.
I think doing less (read: obtaining only items specified in the search warrant) would be more along the lines of "reasonable search and seizure", and anything more would be a violation of basic constitutional rights.
If you're a great player and win against a crappy player, you'll gain very little and he'll lose very little, as that is the expected outcome.
You're missing the point.
It isn't about the magnitude of the gain. Its about there being a gain at all, and whether or not the same level of gain can be achieved through speed and efficiency killing new players rather than fighting one another.
If I can kill swaths of noobs at the starting city at 10 a minute and get 2.4 points for each one, what's the point of a 10-minute long PVP session that nets me 24 points?
I think the idea itself has merit. If you see a possible exploit, you should maybe explain how it could be done so the flaw can be removed.
Its pretty simple.
Person ranked #2 decides he wants to be ranked #1. He's not really good at the game, but he does have a lot of time on his hands. So, he spends 20 hours a day fighting and killing people who just started playing. Even though he's only getting one or two points a kill, it doesn't matter; if he can kill new players at a rate 24x that of player ranked #1, then he can ascend to that spot. Does that help?
This would work in most current MMOs because playability is tied to the level; e.g, a high-level character is going to be better than a low-level character. You can't take a low-level character and put him with a bunch of high-level characters and expect him to be of any use. With the possible exception of games like EVE Online, where even a newly made character can at the very least jam you and run away, the new players would get walked all over for points.
It doesn't really need to be said how it rewards griefing; it already intrinsically does so. if it offers any kind of benefit at all for killing newer players, and especially if it offers the same or better benefits, taking into account the amount of time required to kill one, number killed per day, etc, its going to reward it.
The question is how to make it NOT do that; e.g, establish a point below which no reward is gained, and stick it about halfway down from your current level or whatever.
Please, as the GP posts, don't consider implementing this anywhere without addressing some of the more glaring issues.
I was merely answering the question; the parent to my original post said 'Who doesn't go to Youtube'? Being one such person, I replied, with the said reason I don't use it.
I don't think that he understands that if you want something on demand in this way, you're going to pay for it; either you're going to pay for the hosting yourself and ensure that no data gets kept or anything like that, or you pay the cost in the users privacy, farming them out as eyes for advertisers and data for demographic mining.
I'd rather spend money and retain my privacy. My privacy is more valuable than I can put a dollar amount on.
Troll?
For valuing my freedom above the ability to watch 3 minute segmented episodes of anime and the other things of critical importance residing on youtube, I get modded troll?
If Gnash worked with Youtube, I'd use it. But it doesn't, whether through some error of my own, mirrored across my circle of friends, or due to some defect.
Since I refuse to install a nonfree application *just* to go to youtube, I don't go.
Don't assume that absolutely everyone uses youtube.
1. It is a youtube link. Who doesn't go to youtube?
Me. A lot of other people I know who run Linux.
It depends on Flash, and the GNU implementation of Flash is rather broken. I refuse to use the nonfree version, and it doesn't work with anything else, so...
What was the point of it if they could continue for 4 years without repercussions? Just to let the RIAA know that the federal judges in Austin won't be kind to them?
To survive for years in space, astronauts may need to bring along miniature ecosystems that provide necessities such as oxygen and food. Past research into what animal protein astronauts might live on has assessed poultry, fish, and even sea urchin larvae. All of these animals have drawbacks. Poultry needs a large amount of food and space, which is typically limited on expeditions, and it produces a lot of excrement. Fish and other aquatic life are very sensitive to water conditions, disturbances in which could delay spawning, hatching, and development.
Enter silkworms.
They're not talking about just carrying silkworms. They're talking about creating miniature ecosystems containing them.
He was sent an e-mail by HR about two weeks after this all started and was told that it would be against policy to accept interns with a criminal record
Sorry, Freudian slip. Obviously, he doesn't actually have a criminal record per se, and that's not what was exactly said--I don't recall the exact wording, but you understand what I mean.
Actually, we tried to get the student-run newspaper to run a story about it. They decided that to do that would be in bad taste.
The most interesting reaction, though, was when some of us called the local paper; we figured this would be "Wow, holy shit" news, but the reporter we ended up talking with answered "That's not really newsworthy, that happens all the time." I had one of those moments where one of the foundations of your philosophy gets blown apart and your entire way of thinking just stops and tries to rebuild itself.
He considered legal action against the school, but he was told by counsel that he couldn't do anything about it, and that even if the court did find in his favor, he would have to reapply, and they would probably just screen him out during application.
He has coped with it EXTREMELY well; despite being very intelligent, he hasn't been able to get into any other 'reputable' schools, so he had to attend a state university.
For more information, at the end of the quarter, he was going to go intern at IBM. He was sent an e-mail by HR about two weeks after this all started and was told that it would be against policy to accept interns with a criminal record, so he lost his co-op for that quarter, which was something he was really looking forward to at the time. Now, every time he applies to an internship, it gets brought up quietly, he always tells his story, and he never gets accepted (although he always gets selected quickly for an interview).
If "secret courts" where there's no press is the only way to solve these kinds of problems for people who are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, then I'm all for it. If they're found guilty, great; publish it all over the place. Until then, there's no need to ruin people's lives like this whenever some vindictive woman gets mad because she lost her boytoy.
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...Seriously?
There's a vote to concede in HoN, too, but that seems to be used more when people leave the game and don't reconnect, or towards the end when the winner is obvious, not so much as a "The hell with this team, we're done" button.
I had never heard about LoL until after this thread--probably something for me to look into. I like the 'dungeon crawler' feel, but as the GGP said, the community is quite noxious, and it's not really the type of game one can learn by soloing everything on the map in practice mode.
That would be RIT's Computer Science system administrator. All our non-Windows, non-mac labs run Solaris, on Solaris workstations.
And we learn database concepts on Oracle.
Is this awesome? (y/n)
I had a closed beta invite early on, but the community is angry, rude and just spoil the game.
Echo this. I was lucky enough to get into the closed beta a few weeks ago, when one of my friends sent me an invite key. There was no tutorial when I started (though there's one now), so I just went into a no stats game. The people there, and in most HoN games, seem to be just generally mean, elitist people who votekick at a moment's notice when another player doesn't exhibit some tidbit of knowledge that they're supposed to have acquired. This is really bad in HoN, since those votekicks affect your ability to play legitimate games. So, if you know a lot about DoTA, good game. Otherwise, stay away from it unless you know other people in meatspace that can help you out.
To torture and a dishonest government? Yes.
Good timing, Google.
Same here. I was pulling a bare 3.0 until I started smoking my 2nd year.
People have access to a resource that they wouldn't have had otherwise?
I don't know about you, but that seems like a definite improvement to me.
I wish I could get 2Mbps where I live. That would double what I can get here.
I didn't know he played other characters!
So you read the affidavit and think that the hostnames recorded by the DHCP (or other IP-assigning method) server when assigning the IP to the computers used to commit acts being the same hostnames as the ones this guy uses on his laptops isn't probably cause to think his two laptops were involved in those acts?
Considering that changing a hostname is as easy as editing a hosts file, no, I don't. That's pretty common knowledge on a college campus (at least, it is on mine), it could have been spoofed by any of his peers; same with the name of the computer. An entire three commands run on any box could produce that result.
I'd rather he get away with being guilty and keep this kind of thing from happening to innocent people than innocent people have to go through this. Really, though, I'm more worried about item 4(f)(g); namely, that the fact that he uses an "uncommon operating system" is being considered by some as probable cause in its own right.
I did, before I even posted that. I don't see why that matters, though.
Whether or not an expert was 'requested' doesn't change that they should analyze this kind of information analyzed by someone who knows what's going on *before* taking steps to try to get a judge to authorize the seizure of someone's personal effects. That should obviously be part of the "things that happen before we ruin this guy's life" list, not part of the "things we can wait until later to worry about" list.
Think.
Because campus cops can apparently do whatever the hell they want?
2. This was from a search warrant application. Not every cop is computer literate. This is worthy of a few snickers, not a front pager.
If their job includes deciding who to go after based on what happens on teh intarweb, then they should be, or have access to someone who is. It's worthy of being a front pager because he isn't and no one stopped him on that basis.
1. This case involved a "crime" committed using a computer. I know personally if I was put in charge of investigating a computer crime, I would seize every piece of magnetic and writable optical media I could find in the suspect's possession. Doing less would be incompetence.
I think doing less (read: obtaining only items specified in the search warrant) would be more along the lines of "reasonable search and seizure", and anything more would be a violation of basic constitutional rights.
Some schools have public safety officers who are also sworn police officers, and thus have full police powers.
I'm not sure about Boston College, though.
Depending on who that someone is, yes.
How does it reward griefing?
If you're a great player and win against a crappy player, you'll gain very little and he'll lose very little, as that is the expected outcome.
You're missing the point.
It isn't about the magnitude of the gain. Its about there being a gain at all, and whether or not the same level of gain can be achieved through speed and efficiency killing new players rather than fighting one another.
If I can kill swaths of noobs at the starting city at 10 a minute and get 2.4 points for each one, what's the point of a 10-minute long PVP session that nets me 24 points?
Explain how this rewards griefing.
I think the idea itself has merit. If you see a possible exploit, you should maybe explain how it could be done so the flaw can be removed.
Its pretty simple.
Person ranked #2 decides he wants to be ranked #1. He's not really good at the game, but he does have a lot of time on his hands. So, he spends 20 hours a day fighting and killing people who just started playing. Even though he's only getting one or two points a kill, it doesn't matter; if he can kill new players at a rate 24x that of player ranked #1, then he can ascend to that spot. Does that help?
This would work in most current MMOs because playability is tied to the level; e.g, a high-level character is going to be better than a low-level character. You can't take a low-level character and put him with a bunch of high-level characters and expect him to be of any use. With the possible exception of games like EVE Online, where even a newly made character can at the very least jam you and run away, the new players would get walked all over for points.
It doesn't really need to be said how it rewards griefing; it already intrinsically does so. if it offers any kind of benefit at all for killing newer players, and especially if it offers the same or better benefits, taking into account the amount of time required to kill one, number killed per day, etc, its going to reward it.
The question is how to make it NOT do that; e.g, establish a point below which no reward is gained, and stick it about halfway down from your current level or whatever.
Please, as the GP posts, don't consider implementing this anywhere without addressing some of the more glaring issues.
That's your choice, then, isn't it?
Of course it is. I'm not complaining about it.
I was merely answering the question; the parent to my original post said 'Who doesn't go to Youtube'? Being one such person, I replied, with the said reason I don't use it.
I don't think that he understands that if you want something on demand in this way, you're going to pay for it; either you're going to pay for the hosting yourself and ensure that no data gets kept or anything like that, or you pay the cost in the users privacy, farming them out as eyes for advertisers and data for demographic mining.
I'd rather spend money and retain my privacy. My privacy is more valuable than I can put a dollar amount on.
Troll? For valuing my freedom above the ability to watch 3 minute segmented episodes of anime and the other things of critical importance residing on youtube, I get modded troll?
If Gnash worked with Youtube, I'd use it. But it doesn't, whether through some error of my own, mirrored across my circle of friends, or due to some defect. Since I refuse to install a nonfree application *just* to go to youtube, I don't go. Don't assume that absolutely everyone uses youtube.
1. It is a youtube link. Who doesn't go to youtube?
Me. A lot of other people I know who run Linux. It depends on Flash, and the GNU implementation of Flash is rather broken. I refuse to use the nonfree version, and it doesn't work with anything else, so...
I don't really understand it, either.
What was the point of it if they could continue for 4 years without repercussions? Just to let the RIAA know that the federal judges in Austin won't be kind to them?
They're not talking about just carrying silkworms. They're talking about creating miniature ecosystems containing them.
He was sent an e-mail by HR about two weeks after this all started and was told that it would be against policy to accept interns with a criminal record
Sorry, Freudian slip. Obviously, he doesn't actually have a criminal record per se, and that's not what was exactly said--I don't recall the exact wording, but you understand what I mean.
Actually, we tried to get the student-run newspaper to run a story about it. They decided that to do that would be in bad taste. The most interesting reaction, though, was when some of us called the local paper; we figured this would be "Wow, holy shit" news, but the reporter we ended up talking with answered "That's not really newsworthy, that happens all the time." I had one of those moments where one of the foundations of your philosophy gets blown apart and your entire way of thinking just stops and tries to rebuild itself.
He considered legal action against the school, but he was told by counsel that he couldn't do anything about it, and that even if the court did find in his favor, he would have to reapply, and they would probably just screen him out during application.
He has coped with it EXTREMELY well; despite being very intelligent, he hasn't been able to get into any other 'reputable' schools, so he had to attend a state university.
For more information, at the end of the quarter, he was going to go intern at IBM. He was sent an e-mail by HR about two weeks after this all started and was told that it would be against policy to accept interns with a criminal record, so he lost his co-op for that quarter, which was something he was really looking forward to at the time. Now, every time he applies to an internship, it gets brought up quietly, he always tells his story, and he never gets accepted (although he always gets selected quickly for an interview).
If "secret courts" where there's no press is the only way to solve these kinds of problems for people who are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, then I'm all for it. If they're found guilty, great; publish it all over the place. Until then, there's no need to ruin people's lives like this whenever some vindictive woman gets mad because she lost her boytoy.