It's not really true that the cost is just the electricity. The more traffic the network has, the more and better base stations you need. This is infrastructure cost, but it may need upgrades, and definitely needs maintenance.
Now, the moment you KNOW that it's spreading faster than you have the capacity to contain and control, THEN you take the drastic step of public alerts limited quarantine. Before then, it's just irresponsible.
An unusual new flu virus has spread widely and cannot be contained, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed on Saturday.
"It is clear that this is widespread. And that is why we have let you know that we cannot contain the spread of this virus," the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat told reporters on a conference call.
My point was that the revenue from these fines is insignificant next to their other revenues. So it was quite appropriate to post revenue numbers in this context.
Anyway a few million dollars is irrelevant for those corporations.
It's not like 2.7 million euros divided by four companies is any real money to them. We're talking about companies with hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue every year.
No, it's more about helping these guys not get bankrupt, if needed. But first there's all the appeals to go through, of course. Theoretically it could go up to the European Supreme Court.
No, quite different. In C (and to a smaller extent C++) you know exactly what's happening in every statement. In Java, with the massive confusion of existing libraries, it's quite easy to ignore what your code is really doing. This often results in horribly inefficient code.
If I understand correctly, to do an RSA signature, the person sending the file holds the private key, not the person receiving it. That's what wikipedia says as well.
It's the opposite of RSA encryption in this regard.
You could, but then you'd be talking a different kind of coolness. Your point is that TCP makes it easier to program, the other separate point is that UDP doesn't require reliability which is good in some way.
According to this page, the same PC I mentioned before uses up 40 more watts when under full load than when idling. That's about 27% of the 150 watts I mentioned before.
These figures are just ballpark numbers which give a rough idea. There are all kinds of people running these programs... Some make computer farms specifically to run them, some others don't buy new computers but leave theirs when they otherwise wouldn't, and then there's those who don't change their habits because of distributed computing. There's everything in between as well, making it very hard to estimate the real impact.
Let's assume the project will terminate when 50% of the keyspace has been searched. That's 2^71 keys to search.
A E6600 Core 2 Duo PC calculates about 17M keys per second according to a quick google search. This means around 1.4e14 computer-seconds to search 50% of the keyspace, or 3.85e10 hours.
A PC like this one uses around 150 watts, so it would consume 5,775,000,000 KWh of energy to search that keyspace.
Some different ways of visualizing this amount of energy:
At $0.10 dollars per KWh, that's almost $600 million worth of electricity
It's the energy contained in 600 million liters of gasoline (157 million gallons)
This of course doesn't take into account future improvements in CPU efficiency.
Exactly... I participated in RC5-64, but RC5-72 just seems pointless to me. It's the exact same problem, just 256 times harder.
Furthermore, these encryption challenges are not actually discovering anything. They're essentially brute-forcing a random number which another computer chose.
Contrast this with distributed computing challenges about mathematics (such as OGR-25 which is being discussed here), health or other issues where the result is something meaningful and potentially useful about the world.
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You have just made a macro which evaluates one of its arguments twice. Very bad idea...
Imagine someone writes:
memcpy (ptr1, ptr2, size++);
Demons will fly out of the user's nose.
2 Euros (why does Slashdot not display the Euro sign correctly when pretty much every other internet forum does?)...
Yeah I'm sure the 2 for each EU resident will save the whole continent
because MS's offer to buy Yahoo was not all in cash, part of it was stock.
It's not really true that the cost is just the electricity. The more traffic the network has, the more and better base stations you need. This is infrastructure cost, but it may need upgrades, and definitely needs maintenance.
... since they were referring to realistic emulation... meaning closer to the reality of the system being emulated.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN25473389
An unusual new flu virus has spread widely and cannot be contained, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed on Saturday.
"It is clear that this is widespread. And that is why we have let you know that we cannot contain the spread of this virus," the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat told reporters on a conference call.
Not just a group that lobbies, a group that lobbies together with the prosecution!
My point was that the revenue from these fines is insignificant next to their other revenues. So it was quite appropriate to post revenue numbers in this context.
Anyway a few million dollars is irrelevant for those corporations.
What do you mean?
Let's take Sony as an example since it's one of the companies:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/07q4/slide/image/03_image.jpg
As you can see, 8871 billion yen or $89 billion in revenue. That's for Sony alone.
Does it?
So you're telling me it would be really hard to find an illegal torrent through google?
It's not like 2.7 million euros divided by four companies is any real money to them. We're talking about companies with hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue every year.
No, it's more about helping these guys not get bankrupt, if needed. But first there's all the appeals to go through, of course. Theoretically it could go up to the European Supreme Court.
For starters maybe we can all donate a little bit to pay their fine. I hope there's some way to do it at least.
The questions that come to mind:
1- Will Google be sued next (filetype:torrent anyone?)
2- Where can we donate to help pay the fine?
No, quite different. In C (and to a smaller extent C++) you know exactly what's happening in every statement. In Java, with the massive confusion of existing libraries, it's quite easy to ignore what your code is really doing. This often results in horribly inefficient code.
Why do you assume it was premature optimization?
If I understand correctly, to do an RSA signature, the person sending the file holds the private key, not the person receiving it. That's what wikipedia says as well.
It's the opposite of RSA encryption in this regard.
By user I hope he means the program which is using TCP, not the human user at the computer.
You could, but then you'd be talking a different kind of coolness. Your point is that TCP makes it easier to program, the other separate point is that UDP doesn't require reliability which is good in some way.
1200 watts is not surprising to me. A coffee maker has to boil water after all.
In what way does knowning which machine you voted on constitute a violation of your vote's privacy? There are many people voting on the same machine.
As others have said, it's probably for auditing reasons and in case the machine breaks down.
Sorry if I sound young and ignorant, but how exactly is that a good idea?
Scenario 1: You let the car with the lights on alone... The owner either has to replace his battery or comes back before it runs out.
Scenario 2: You go and switch off the lights. The owner or the police thinks you're attempting to steal the car and you end up in jail.
So what's worse... Someone having to replace a battery or someone ending up in jail?
According to this page, the same PC I mentioned before uses up 40 more watts when under full load than when idling. That's about 27% of the 150 watts I mentioned before.
These figures are just ballpark numbers which give a rough idea. There are all kinds of people running these programs... Some make computer farms specifically to run them, some others don't buy new computers but leave theirs when they otherwise wouldn't, and then there's those who don't change their habits because of distributed computing. There's everything in between as well, making it very hard to estimate the real impact.
Let's assume the project will terminate when 50% of the keyspace has been searched. That's 2^71 keys to search.
A E6600 Core 2 Duo PC calculates about 17M keys per second according to a quick google search. This means around 1.4e14 computer-seconds to search 50% of the keyspace, or 3.85e10 hours.
A PC like this one uses around 150 watts, so it would consume 5,775,000,000 KWh of energy to search that keyspace.
Some different ways of visualizing this amount of energy:
This of course doesn't take into account future improvements in CPU efficiency.
Exactly... I participated in RC5-64, but RC5-72 just seems pointless to me. It's the exact same problem, just 256 times harder.
Furthermore, these encryption challenges are not actually discovering anything. They're essentially brute-forcing a random number which another computer chose.
Contrast this with distributed computing challenges about mathematics (such as OGR-25 which is being discussed here), health or other issues where the result is something meaningful and potentially useful about the world.