1). Editors do have the right to "rewrite" articles so they are more pleasing to read. Newspapers do this all the time.
Didn't you see all the flap about VA taking over Andover and/. suffering. I for one would jump ship if they ever edited my comment to soothe someone's implacably sensitive ego. Just reject the comment if you think it sucks. Don't get soft one me. I don't like that.
Yeah, I got the joke too. And it was funny, but I have a feeling that my rewording of the original sentences not only conveyed the joke, but would have been a more satisfying read.
Wrong joke. The part about the gain is no surprise. In fact I'm basing my future businesses on it. There's no other useful content but the double negative.
>Well, yes and no. I got a lot of replies to my post, which was buried within another post about the grammar on slashdot, so someone must have read it. But I do think you are right, the general consensus on slashdot doesn't care too much.
Well, duh.:) You're talking about civilizing the one place people feel at home. They don't care about the grammar. They do care when ppl start trying to sterilize the place. With over a million readrs that is not going to happen.
We are living in an age that is overhyped and underrated:
Computers great for learning(underrated), let's give them MS Word(hype)
The fact is the invention of HTML and related web technologies have reduced something patentable in the case of hardware to 5-15 lines of code in software.
Until the shareholders realize that the web is in fact fully accessible to world on all levels (use, dev, hacking (as in unothodox building not breaking)) that HTML does not require a phd and that Debian producers are mostly under 17 yrs of age (relates to education and accessibility of the net) they won't know that the world's latest Gutenberg Award worthy product is being shanghaied .
We need to go on the info offensive. we are always on the defensive. And I don't mean FUD.
My 1st contribution: Unix in vented in 1970, GUI invented in 1971. Unix is 70s tech, but Windows isn't? WTF!?
Apps are built from libraries not window managers
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Let's drop the one ond only button you will ever need crap. It's the major reason people are scared shitless. How about teaching them first? No one has ever tried that yet.
Fine patent it. At least fucking sell it to somneone who will do something w/ it. If this ends up buried like the rotary engine, like Tesla's work, and like all technologies that can harm the revenues of bloated companies who know they have no future, I'm going to be very pissed.
Open UP a Unix shop in a mall. Hire young people 15+ yrs of age. Offer scholarships. Hype up the productive day-cre environment. (Even if it isn't true, as long as they're learning.) And sponsor gender-neutral science fairs. Oh yeah stalk the bullshit boys and girls clubs and hire kids from them to so they can really get ahead.
Talk about your coy evasion. You either show them the truth or you don't. This is R-E-A-L-I-T-Y which is based on consistent rules when studying people in the context of unconscious convictions.
It's like taking low impact cyanide for that responsible but adult indulgence in the intricacies of suicide.
The bottomline regardless of mindset (which is an effect not a cause, god people can't put the horse before the cart to save their life!), is vanity and what is comfortable for the thinskinned. The hell w/ Japan in the original post. Look at the Middle East.
Re:Jon, *please* leave the research to the pros.
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As if the researchers did any researching themselves.
CeBIT 2000 is banning online journalists from their Hanover, Germany trade show. Tom's Hardware can't get in. Reuters can't get in. the Register can't get in.
It's a good thing IBM and PSion are sponsoring net journalists to get in.
So yes, the net is isolation. Isolation caused by choice. But it is not a completely different planet.
Differentiating the net from other media on any basis other than content is what causes big shows like CeBIT to dismiss the net as a fringe entity, when in fact their most interested audience use the net, not TV, and not even newspapers to communicate, though thankfully they do write books.
Time to open up a CompUnix shop so people don't go home clueless. If people need Windows (every other alternative has a Unix leaning BeOS for example.) fine, but it's a whole different story when you're treated unfairly because you DIDN'T make yourself visible, or because a bunch of isolated mainstream creeps don't bother to stasy up to date.
I thought GUIs were the standard? Or wait didn't Gates say a while ago that mice and menus are obsolete and Voice rules them all. I'll be damned if they invented the up arrow. Why hide it if it's available the code is already made so the don't do more work than you have to clause doesn't apply.
I do not believe it is even a Unix invention.
I kinda doubt it's a u~1 invention, they tend to be very superficial and moan and groan when it's time to invent. Look how long it took before NT came out on Alphas even though Alphas wipe the floor w/ PCs and even though it took not too long for a Linux Alpha port to be avbailable.
If u~1 invented the up arrow, that's totally out of character for them. Not a bad thing to have invented it if they did, but very doubtful.
Nevermind NDOS4 had it too w/ other great history features that u~1 shell can't touch. Like picking out a command from an on screen menu in commandline mode. Unices don't have that, how could u~1.
Try this out with me por favor:
Many Unix shells available. Developed for Unixers needs since way before DOS was around. Yes, you dodo, MSDOS was ages behind. You're going to tell me a shell that has history, current dir command autocomplete(now used in browsers) and pattern match history recall, is going to miss a fundamental thing like the up arrow when in fact Unix got there before the rest of them? Puhlease
Oh and by the way to talk of fragmentation... Why doesn't Win98 interfacewise suffice for NT. I certainly can move my experience from one Unix to another quite easily.
And yes, all the distros are the same. It's stupid fucks who can't use an app if you change the color scheme slightly.
And that's after suffering Windows Brain Numbimg for 3 straight years.
I keep seeing a billion text editors. A billion HTML editors. A billion irc... well nevermind irc rules.
But my point is not that I hate "variety" (it ain't the spice of life just a side effect of it), but that there's a billion people out there creating a thing and they honestly thinbk it's going to look different than the last one.
I'm not so dense to think innovation is something our universe is compatible with. It isn't. This goes beyoind the classic new and improved hype.
There's rules and there's limits. If anybody tells you they've found a shape with equal length sides that you can put side to side to build a three dimensional object perfectly closed with no irregulasrities and the number of sides for the shape is more than 5, they're full of shit. The rules of geometry prohibit anything over five. You can't fight it. I love that about sciences. you can tell who's full of shit by whether or not they accept the concept of limitations.
Need to go back to basics and go even where Unix can't. Unix laid the ground work but didn't finish it. Whereas Windows is a giant tower made out of pebbles, rocks, stones, and boulders. Only they put the boulders at the top and a couple of grains on the bottom to hold it up.
'Course all bets are off 2000 cuz it's starting to display Unix-like behavour. Not exactly done right, though it's nice that the shell they use for command.com now allows you to use your up arrow instead of that stupid F3 key. I wonder where they got that from?
That's probably why Linuxnewbie.org exists. I as a computer user, programmer, and hacker since the age 8 have found their responses to issues frindly enough, supportive enough, and I suppose useful enough for whatever problem pewople had to deal with, but I never see them go further. They never investigate to learn that one thing that would solve similar problems.
Which is how most people get on w/ everyday life. Fine. In fact I found by reading some of the comments on the site they get more comfortable w/ Linux as they go along. More curious? Courageous maybe, but not what I would call curious.
That's probably where the rift is.
However, because I think very object oriented and build models easily almost out of habit w/o a second thought, I have been frustrated in the past by that same lack of curiosity. Most people never take guesses as to why things don't work or how they might work. When they ask for help they're vague about their difficulty and confused. And sometiomes darned inconsistent. This goes beyond the so-called limits of "man". While I don't really meet the people who never read the dialog boxes that much on #linuxhelp at irc.linux.com (thank god the ones at work are horrible and in all their whiny glory.), I find that sometimes I'm seriously unable to help them.
Solution as the DDOS FBI guy said, most people don't grok the concept of general purpose machines, not even that same concept in cars which have been around for over a hundred years. As he put it most people don't understand that computers aren't toasters (yet ironically they assume no kids should be allowed to use them for anything besides homework. Oops, I ranted. Sorry.)
Abstraction isn't for everybody. It'll be a few more Windows marred years before they realize why almost every other alternative OS went Unix including OS/2 and BeOS.
Unix's devices==files concept pretty much flattens the whole model. I mean that's as important to shels as drag and drop is to GUIs. But it'll be awhile before that sinks in.
nevermind the idea that shells are interface parallel not under GUIs in Unix. Oh well. Iwish them luck. Glad to help but it ain't easy.
Emulating is not rocket science you dildo. I honestly doubt it took a lot of work to get it done.
I'm sick and tired of this software is hard crap. No Barbie software is easy.
Plus given the fact they didn't have the Sony owned libraries to work with in the first place, they didn't have to reinvent the whole damn thing probably not even half of it. There's plenty of replacement libraries all over the net.
How do you people fall for all this hype?
It's not rocket science. It took no more than a couple of weeks to Port Linux and BSD to the DreamCast not that's to port a whole kernel to a an rchitecture not just interface the architecture which uis all you really have to do to emulatre an asrch. I mean let's suppose a library that does the same work as the the hardware beats the fuck out of the Sony hardware when it's designed for the PC? Why the fuck would anyone do a true blue emulation if there's better ways. And it's not hard to get things to work perfectly. Take up some coding classes before you go paranoid like that.
Finally,
Open source software sells (when it does) It sells period. for multitudes of times cheaper than commercial software
Can family support overcome that? HA! Not in a million years. Recent article I read in Family PC talked all about how many parents restrict their kids computer time to purely homework related use. I really want to know how much those kids are learning regurgitating Encarta.
I was fucking 8 when I got my computer. I learned the English language on it (Born in Romania). I'm able to participate in everything from f-cpu.tux.org to dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu (run by openlaw.org) at the age of 23 with only an Associates degree. I never took high level computer science and engineering classes yet I'm able to keep up with all but the VHDL/PCB layout in a mailing list for a group that's going to build a microprocessor. I'm not a law student yet I can follow every argument made on the dvd-discuss list which is the research list for the NY court case. All because I was exposed to technology. How fucking Myopic can people get? Horatio Algier can kiss my ass.
Family PC assholes touted it as an article on raising geniuses, actually it's as useless as that story about kids making cartoons about guns and violence -- how about having them discuss it instead for Christ's sake. How cute? They're learning human beings, not dumb pets.
Slashdot Mirror
See above article.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What the fuck does this have to do with data collection?
This is about personal info.
Fsck, this is about respect.
The right to be left alone is essential to freedom, to paraphrase a judge's comments.
Privacy != Secrecy
Privacy != Security
Privacy != Safety
Gah... c'mon.
Okay gentlegeeks, and geekchix... Shall we run around Jericho or the end run around of making Canaanites evil enough to piss of the Israelites?
Politics... ugh!
If I use a stick of dynamite to put out a fire by choking it... (fires are put out this way sometimes) am I a criminal?
oh god... who let let the nazi lemur out of the cage...
moderate(down) same post every day...
1). Editors do have the right to "rewrite" articles so they are more pleasing to read. Newspapers do this all the time.
/. suffering. I for one would jump ship if they ever edited my comment to soothe someone's implacably sensitive ego. Just reject the comment if you think it sucks. Don't get soft one me. I don't like that.
:) You're talking about civilizing the one place people feel at home. They don't care about the grammar. They do care when ppl start trying to sterilize the place. With over a million readrs that is not going to happen.
Didn't you see all the flap about VA taking over Andover and
Yeah, I got the joke too. And it was funny, but I have a feeling that my rewording of the original sentences not only conveyed the joke, but would have been a more satisfying read.
Wrong joke. The part about the gain is no surprise. In fact I'm basing my future businesses on it. There's no other useful content but the double negative.
>Well, yes and no. I got a lot of replies to my post, which was buried within another post about the grammar on slashdot, so someone must have read it. But I do think you are right, the general consensus on slashdot doesn't care too much.
Well, duh.
We are living in an age that is overhyped and underrated:
Computers great for learning(underrated), let's give them MS Word(hype)
The fact is the invention of HTML and related web technologies have reduced something patentable in the case of hardware to 5-15 lines of code in software.
Until the shareholders realize that the web is in fact fully accessible to world on all levels (use, dev, hacking (as in unothodox building not breaking)) that HTML does not require a phd and that Debian producers are mostly under 17 yrs of age (relates to education and accessibility of the net) they won't know that the world's latest Gutenberg Award worthy product is being shanghaied
.
We need to go on the info offensive. we are always on the defensive. And I don't mean FUD.
My 1st contribution: Unix in vented in 1970, GUI invented in 1971. Unix is 70s tech, but Windows isn't? WTF!?
Let's drop the one ond only button you will ever need crap. It's the major reason people are scared shitless. How about teaching them first? No one has ever tried that yet.
That is what the andvantage of Linux (which is about competition not prepubescent territorial wars) is about.
I'm getting tired of this doubletalk:
People scream about lack of innovation. Then they scream about standards.
WTF!
Hooyah.
Fine patent it. At least fucking sell it to somneone who will do something w/ it. If this ends up buried like the rotary engine, like Tesla's work, and like all technologies that can harm the revenues of bloated companies who know they have no future, I'm going to be very pissed.
Sorry but unlike you I don't live in a vacuum.
Open UP a Unix shop in a mall. Hire young people 15+ yrs of age. Offer scholarships. Hype up the productive day-cre environment. (Even if it isn't true, as long as they're learning.) And sponsor gender-neutral science fairs. Oh yeah stalk the bullshit boys and girls clubs and hire kids from them to so they can really get ahead.
sexually innocent environment?
What in East Bumblefuck is that?
Talk about your coy evasion. You either show them the truth or you don't. This is R-E-A-L-I-T-Y which is based on consistent rules when studying people in the context of unconscious convictions.
It's like taking low impact cyanide for that responsible but adult indulgence in the intricacies of suicide.
The bottomline regardless of mindset (which is an effect not a cause, god people can't put the horse before the cart to save their life!), is vanity and what is comfortable for the thinskinned. The hell w/ Japan in the original post. Look at the Middle East.
As if the researchers did any researching themselves.
CeBIT 2000 is banning online journalists from their Hanover, Germany trade show. Tom's Hardware can't get in. Reuters can't get in. the Register can't get in.
It's a good thing IBM and PSion are sponsoring net journalists to get in.
So yes, the net is isolation. Isolation caused by choice. But it is not a completely different planet.
Differentiating the net from other media on any basis other than content is what causes big shows like CeBIT to dismiss the net as a fringe entity, when in fact their most interested audience use the net, not TV, and not even newspapers to communicate, though thankfully they do write books.
http://linuxtoday.com/story.php3?sn=17047
http://linuxtoday.com/story.php3?sn=17046
Time to open up a CompUnix shop so people don't go home clueless. If people need Windows (every other alternative has a Unix leaning BeOS for example.) fine, but it's a whole different story when you're treated unfairly because you DIDN'T make yourself visible, or because a bunch of isolated mainstream creeps don't bother to stasy up to date.
How did this guy miss the two other news stories available in the side bar:
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Windows For All: Everyone deserves good software
http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/upshot?id=38adb
and...Dell Back on Bill's Team: Win2k will erode Unix, CEO says
http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/upshot?id=38a9e
I thought GUIs were the standard? Or wait didn't Gates say a while ago that mice and menus are obsolete and Voice rules them all. I'll be damned if they invented the up arrow. Why hide it if it's available the code is already made so the don't do more work than you have to clause doesn't apply.
I do not believe it is even a Unix invention.
I kinda doubt it's a u~1 invention, they tend to be very superficial and moan and groan when it's time to invent. Look how long it took before NT came out on Alphas even though Alphas wipe the floor w/ PCs and even though it took not too long for a Linux Alpha port to be avbailable.
If u~1 invented the up arrow, that's totally out of character for them. Not a bad thing to have invented it if they did, but very doubtful.
Nevermind NDOS4 had it too w/ other great history features that u~1 shell can't touch. Like picking out a command from an on screen menu in commandline mode. Unices don't have that, how could u~1.
Try this out with me por favor:
Many Unix shells available. Developed for Unixers needs since way before DOS was around. Yes, you dodo, MSDOS was ages behind. You're going to tell me a shell that has history, current dir command autocomplete(now used in browsers) and pattern match history recall, is going to miss a fundamental thing like the up arrow when in fact Unix got there before the rest of them? Puhlease
Oh and by the way to talk of fragmentation... Why doesn't Win98 interfacewise suffice for NT. I certainly can move my experience from one Unix to another quite easily.
And yes, all the distros are the same. It's stupid fucks who can't use an app if you change the color scheme slightly.
And that's after suffering Windows Brain Numbimg for 3 straight years.
So I quit. Never felt better.
I keep seeing a billion text editors. A billion HTML editors. A billion irc... well nevermind irc rules.
But my point is not that I hate "variety" (it ain't the spice of life just a side effect of it), but that there's a billion people out there creating a thing and they honestly thinbk it's going to look different than the last one.
I'm not so dense to think innovation is something our universe is compatible with. It isn't. This goes beyoind the classic new and improved hype.
There's rules and there's limits. If anybody tells you they've found a shape with equal length sides that you can put side to side to build a three dimensional object perfectly closed with no irregulasrities and the number of sides for the shape is more than 5, they're full of shit. The rules of geometry prohibit anything over five. You can't fight it. I love that about sciences. you can tell who's full of shit by whether or not they accept the concept of limitations.
Need to go back to basics and go even where Unix can't. Unix laid the ground work but didn't finish it. Whereas Windows is a giant tower made out of pebbles, rocks, stones, and boulders. Only they put the boulders at the top and a couple of grains on the bottom to hold it up.
'Course all bets are off 2000 cuz it's starting to display Unix-like behavour. Not exactly done right, though it's nice that the shell they use for command.com now allows you to use your up arrow instead of that stupid F3 key. I wonder where they got that from?
That's probably why Linuxnewbie.org exists. I as a computer user, programmer, and hacker since the age 8 have found their responses to issues frindly enough, supportive enough, and I suppose useful enough for whatever problem pewople had to deal with, but I never see them go further. They never investigate to learn that one thing that would solve similar problems.
Which is how most people get on w/ everyday life. Fine. In fact I found by reading some of the comments on the site they get more comfortable w/ Linux as they go along. More curious? Courageous maybe, but not what I would call curious.
That's probably where the rift is.
However, because I think very object oriented and build models easily almost out of habit w/o a second thought, I have been frustrated in the past by that same lack of curiosity. Most people never take guesses as to why things don't work or how they might work. When they ask for help they're vague about their difficulty and confused. And sometiomes darned inconsistent. This goes beyond the so-called limits of "man". While I don't really meet the people who never read the dialog boxes that much on #linuxhelp at irc.linux.com (thank god the ones at work are horrible and in all their whiny glory.), I find that sometimes I'm seriously unable to help them.
Solution as the DDOS FBI guy said, most people don't grok the concept of general purpose machines, not even that same concept in cars which have been around for over a hundred years. As he put it most people don't understand that computers aren't toasters (yet ironically they assume no kids should be allowed to use them for anything besides homework. Oops, I ranted. Sorry.)
Abstraction isn't for everybody. It'll be a few more Windows marred years before they realize why almost every other alternative OS went Unix including OS/2 and BeOS.
Unix's devices==files concept pretty much flattens the whole model. I mean that's as important to shels as drag and drop is to GUIs. But it'll be awhile before that sinks in.
nevermind the idea that shells are interface parallel not under GUIs in Unix. Oh well. Iwish them luck. Glad to help but it ain't easy.
Emulating is not rocket science you dildo. I honestly doubt it took a lot of work to get it done.
I'm sick and tired of this software is hard crap. No Barbie software is easy.
Plus given the fact they didn't have the Sony owned libraries to work with in the first place, they didn't have to reinvent the whole damn thing probably not even half of it. There's plenty of replacement libraries all over the net.
How do you people fall for all this hype?
It's not rocket science. It took no more than a couple of weeks to Port Linux and BSD to the DreamCast not that's to port a whole kernel to a an rchitecture not just interface the architecture which uis all you really have to do to emulatre an asrch. I mean let's suppose a library that does the same work as the the hardware beats the fuck out of the Sony hardware when it's designed for the PC? Why the fuck would anyone do a true blue emulation if there's better ways. And it's not hard to get things to work perfectly. Take up some coding classes before you go paranoid like that.
Finally,
Open source software sells (when it does) It sells period.
for multitudes of times cheaper than commercial software
Bull fucking shit.
Do you want configurability or vendor lock-in? Geez.
Can family support overcome that? HA! Not in a million years. Recent article I read in Family PC
talked all about how many parents restrict their kids computer time to purely homework related use.
I really want to know how much those kids are learning regurgitating Encarta.
I was fucking 8 when I got my computer. I learned the English language on it (Born in Romania). I'm able to participate in everything from f-cpu.tux.org to dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu (run by openlaw.org) at the age of 23 with only an Associates degree. I never took high level computer science and engineering classes yet I'm able to keep up with all but the VHDL/PCB layout in a mailing list for a group that's going to build a microprocessor. I'm not a law student yet I can follow every argument made on the dvd-discuss list which is the research list for the NY court case. All because I was exposed to technology. How fucking Myopic can people get? Horatio Algier can kiss my ass.
Family PC assholes touted it as an article on raising geniuses, actually it's as useless as that story about kids making cartoons about guns and violence -- how about having them discuss it instead for Christ's sake. How cute? They're learning human beings, not dumb pets.
What an absolute disappointment.