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"The issue at hand is that this user was flammed as a communist for simply wanting to control what information he personally disseminates. "
And this is where you are wrong. He wants to control what comes across his node of the network, but it's not information that he is 'personally' disseminating. It is just information that is flowing across a PUBLIC MEDIUM of which his system is now a part.
If he is able to censor that, what is the difference of say, a telelvision mogul wanting to keep mentions of the GPL off of TV? Or perhaps the government deciding that such and such books shouldn't be in libraries?
In each case there are resources that are owned and controled by an entity, and then put to public use. The idea behind free speech is that people shouldn't be limmited in what they say or think in any kind of public medium. Just like if you become a member of the Freenet you are giving your system up for public use. People are going to be able to say things that you don't like, but you have to deal with that, if you can't, then get out.
Free speech isn't something the government lets you have, it's something that a society should live by. Consider that this is a government of the people, and hardly anybody really seems to be able to deal with free speech on a personal level. This persons statement is just one more example of that. When I stop and think that most people think this way, It's really no wonder our rights are constantly getting trampled.
I guess you would really be pissed to learn of program that converts bitmaps to html. Friend of mine did it in an afternoon and I thought it was pretty neat. How'd he do it? 1x1 pixel tables with a hex color value. Completely useless, Netscape would die on any picture bigger than about 30x30 but it was a neat hack.
Great idea! It looks like we may have made a mistake in computing the age of the martian meteorites, so God must have created the heavens and the earth and we are all sinners.
Carbon 14 is only a valid way to test the age of organisms that were once alive on Earth.
Carbon 14 is only ONE of MANY ways to check the ageo of something by examining isotops.
I think in the case of creatitionists looking for ways to bash scientists, they can't find enough flaws to attack so they make dumb assumptions (such that carbon-14 is the only way to age something) and then continue to beat their Carbon-14 dead horse.
One thing a lot of you may not realize is that Hackersquest is in China. This makes litigation a lot more of a problem, I wonder if Verant could even get the logs from the ISP to see who is actually doing this.
The MUD that Brad used to play on was called "Sojourn" AKA "Toril"
Although you seem to be implying that EQ used MUD source. Are you serious? Mud's where you move from 1 room to the next by pressing a direction key compared to a full 3d game where you move around the zone (level) you are in with freedom?
Use the movie ratio to justify it. $7 for 2hours at the movie or $10 for unlimited hours for a month on Everquest. Your average EQ player spends 23 hours a week playing, so for most it's a good value.
Are you stupid?
When EQ came out it looked better than any other FPRPG (First Person RPG) out there, and rivaled many of the FPS. Christ, did you play Daggerfall?
This is so pathetic it makes me sick. Unfortunately a great many people think like you do, and that is the problem. I suppose this post serves a purpose in pointing out what we are really dealing with here; the selfishness and general stupidity of the average person.
Complete lie: The air is vastly cleaner than it was 30 years ago.
The 'air' is bad and getting worse. A person who lives in the suburbs of rural America who goes to any city larger than 100,000 pop notices immediately. A friend of mine recently went from his small middle america town for a 2 week visit to Seatle, he said the hardest thing to deal with was the fact that for the first few days the air gave him a headache and he felt like he was breathing through a filter.
Americans are using more gas now than we ever have. Our mean MPG right now is lower than it has been at any time since 1980. True these vehicles are lower emissions but not -much-. A great many of these vehicles are SUV's which are classified as 'small commercial trucks' and as such their efficiency and emissions are not regulated under the same laws that control other vehicles. The average SUV gets 17mpg and mpg that drop to single digits are not unheard of.
"The reality is that the only way to reduce CO output is to reduce the utility of cars in some way, by making them smaller or slower or more dangerous. "
What is so bad about that? Does your average soccer mom really need the power to pull a fucking Oak out of her front yard or climb the rockies without getting out of her vehicle? Christ, she just needs to get around and lug some groceries once in awhile. Of course her vanity requires that she spend twice as much on a car that costs three times to operate, is twice as inconvenient (ever try parallel parking a Ford Expedition?) and 5 times as bad on the environment. At least she looks good to her friends.
Wow that is a pretty complicated explanation to come up with. Why would I believe that is what is happening instead of the fact that our warming the atmosphere is doing it? I mean, it is a given that we are warming the atmosphere, this fact is nearly uncontested in science, so why dont you just say "Um. yeah.. warm air melts things." Instead of coming up with some bullshit theories about tectonic plate movements block bathtub style drains.
I wasn't there but I would suspect he ment that the reason the coconut wouldn't be harmful is due to the fact that the liklihood of hitting a given coconut in the ocean with your rowboat is pretty damned slim.
Don't think this vindicates you. The liklihood of hitting any of those 8000 articles is still extremely slim. This system isn't being made to deflect Nasa's lost objects, it's there to deflect natural space debris.
I wonder what Mrs. Pournell said to her husband about you.
Oh, so sorry to infringe on your pristine OS. It is a terrible tragedy that some of us are trying to make a viable alternative to MS Windows and are using Linux to do it, I know. Hey, if I agree not to play games will you let me into your club? What? I'm not 3l33t enuff?
You have not seen a full version of Win98 for $75 that was legit. Those are OEM cd's are only supposed to be sold with computers.
Win98 retail is around $189
"I remember, it was about eight months ago, as I was using Napster, that I began to fully contemplate what this 'digital age' was going to do to the media. "
A whole 8 months huh?
"Basically, things are in the very early iterations of a change that we are all just begining to contemplate."
I hate to break this to you (no I don't), but a great many of us have seen this coming for years.
Arguing over analogies is a really stupid way to screw up a debate. Did you even read the article? Napster had almost nothing to do with it.
Any analogy can be found to be wrong if you look at it from enough angles, instead of doing that why don't you try to figure out what is right about it? Don't disagree with the entire article because you were too unimaginative to understand the analogy.
Anyway, after the EVIL NAPSTER company dies. I'm going to make an mp3 filesharing system that isn't evil!
err...
hrm...
Is that even possible? If not, maybe it's not the company that is evil then?
Work on your reading comprehension skills sparky. The Napster comparison wasn't perfect, but the point was that both Napster and Tivo attack industries with services that are driven by consumer demand. It doesn't apply from all angles, but no analogy is perfect.
In any case, the article states that on a Tivo unit 88% of the commercials go unwatched. In fact, both Tivo and Replay have the ability to avoid commercials. Tivo has 3 different fast forward speeds, and Replay has a "Skip ahead 30 seconds" button, which in effect "chops out commercials". So perhaps your premise is wrong?
Ah well, so consumers gain the ability to chop out 30 second ads. Does this mean the industry dies when everyone gets a Tivo? Of course not, it means television is going to change, the mass market is going to break into smaller more focused markets, and the industry is going to have to adapt. A premise that I'm pretty sure is accurate.
People will still watch the big games live, probably anyway, but so what? Thats not a whole lot of television.
The entire premise of the article was that the data shows that people who own these black boxes cease to even CARE when shows air. Why would I? If I come home and look at my Tivo's list of things it has recorded without me asking, and 90% of it is shows I like, why would I start surfing the channels? I have a DSS with a huge amount of channels, Im certain that in a 24 hour period a Tivo unit could find enough shows to keep me entertained for at least 6 or 7 hours of television viewing.
The point is, people with Tivo's are not just watching whatever is on at the moment anymore. Suddenly every show that is has been on for the past day or two is at your disposal. You really think "Friends" is going to maintain it's huge audience under those conditions?
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"The issue at hand is that this user was flammed as a communist for simply wanting to control what information he personally disseminates. "
And this is where you are wrong. He wants to control what comes across his node of the network, but it's not information that he is 'personally' disseminating. It is just information that is flowing across a PUBLIC MEDIUM of which his system is now a part.
If he is able to censor that, what is the difference of say, a telelvision mogul wanting to keep mentions of the GPL off of TV? Or perhaps the government deciding that such and such books shouldn't be in libraries?
In each case there are resources that are owned and controled by an entity, and then put to public use. The idea behind free speech is that people shouldn't be limmited in what they say or think in any kind of public medium. Just like if you become a member of the Freenet you are giving your system up for public use. People are going to be able to say things that you don't like, but you have to deal with that, if you can't, then get out.
Free speech isn't something the government lets you have, it's something that a society should live by. Consider that this is a government of the people, and hardly anybody really seems to be able to deal with free speech on a personal level. This persons statement is just one more example of that. When I stop and think that most people think this way, It's really no wonder our rights are constantly getting trampled.
You just don't get it do you?
I guess you would really be pissed to learn of program that converts bitmaps to html. Friend of mine did it in an afternoon and I thought it was pretty neat. How'd he do it? 1x1 pixel tables with a hex color value. Completely useless, Netscape would die on any picture bigger than about 30x30 but it was a neat hack.
Great idea! It looks like we may have made a mistake in computing the age of the martian meteorites, so God must have created the heavens and the earth and we are all sinners.
The above paraphrased: Yeah, I was wrong, but let me argue an unrelated point in an attempt not to look like a total ass.
Carbon 14 is only a valid way to test the age of organisms that were once alive on Earth.
Carbon 14 is only ONE of MANY ways to check the ageo of something by examining isotops.
I think in the case of creatitionists looking for ways to bash scientists, they can't find enough flaws to attack so they make dumb assumptions (such that carbon-14 is the only way to age something) and then continue to beat their Carbon-14 dead horse.
One thing a lot of you may not realize is that Hackersquest is in China. This makes litigation a lot more of a problem, I wonder if Verant could even get the logs from the ISP to see who is actually doing this.
The MUD that Brad used to play on was called "Sojourn" AKA "Toril"
Although you seem to be implying that EQ used MUD source. Are you serious? Mud's where you move from 1 room to the next by pressing a direction key compared to a full 3d game where you move around the zone (level) you are in with freedom?
That's a pretty big stretch.
$10 a month actually.
Use the movie ratio to justify it. $7 for 2hours at the movie or $10 for unlimited hours for a month on Everquest. Your average EQ player spends 23 hours a week playing, so for most it's a good value.
Are you stupid?
When EQ came out it looked better than any other FPRPG (First Person RPG) out there, and rivaled many of the FPS. Christ, did you play Daggerfall?
This is so pathetic it makes me sick. Unfortunately a great many people think like you do, and that is the problem. I suppose this post serves a purpose in pointing out what we are really dealing with here; the selfishness and general stupidity of the average person.
The majority of this is just outright lying.
Complete lie: The air is vastly cleaner than it was 30 years ago.
The 'air' is bad and getting worse. A person who lives in the suburbs of rural America who goes to any city larger than 100,000 pop notices immediately. A friend of mine recently went from his small middle america town for a 2 week visit to Seatle, he said the hardest thing to deal with was the fact that for the first few days the air gave him a headache and he felt like he was breathing through a filter.
Americans are using more gas now than we ever have. Our mean MPG right now is lower than it has been at any time since 1980. True these vehicles are lower emissions but not -much-. A great many of these vehicles are SUV's which are classified as 'small commercial trucks' and as such their efficiency and emissions are not regulated under the same laws that control other vehicles. The average SUV gets 17mpg and mpg that drop to single digits are not unheard of.
"The reality is that the only way to reduce CO output is to reduce the utility of cars in some way, by making them smaller or slower or more dangerous. "
What is so bad about that? Does your average soccer mom really need the power to pull a fucking Oak out of her front yard or climb the rockies without getting out of her vehicle? Christ, she just needs to get around and lug some groceries once in awhile. Of course her vanity requires that she spend twice as much on a car that costs three times to operate, is twice as inconvenient (ever try parallel parking a Ford Expedition?) and 5 times as bad on the environment. At least she looks good to her friends.
Good point. We shouldn't change anything we are doing until we are SURE.
So just as soon as it is impossible to walk 2 blocks outside because of either a: Heat or b: cold then we will act.
How shortsighted....
Wow that is a pretty complicated explanation to come up with. Why would I believe that is what is happening instead of the fact that our warming the atmosphere is doing it? I mean, it is a given that we are warming the atmosphere, this fact is nearly uncontested in science, so why dont you just say "Um. yeah.. warm air melts things." Instead of coming up with some bullshit theories about tectonic plate movements block bathtub style drains.
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I wasn't there but I would suspect he ment that the reason the coconut wouldn't be harmful is due to the fact that the liklihood of hitting a given coconut in the ocean with your rowboat is pretty damned slim.
Don't think this vindicates you. The liklihood of hitting any of those 8000 articles is still extremely slim. This system isn't being made to deflect Nasa's lost objects, it's there to deflect natural space debris.
I wonder what Mrs. Pournell said to her husband about you.
I didn't find it obfuscated (Katzified) at all.
Bad morning?
This looks like a troll, but maybe not...
Oh, so sorry to infringe on your pristine OS. It is a terrible tragedy that some of us are trying to make a viable alternative to MS Windows and are using Linux to do it, I know. Hey, if I agree not to play games will you let me into your club? What? I'm not 3l33t enuff?
You have not seen a full version of Win98 for $75 that was legit. Those are OEM cd's are only supposed to be sold with computers.
Win98 retail is around $189
"I remember, it was about eight months ago, as I was using Napster, that I began to fully contemplate what this 'digital age' was going to do to the media. "
A whole 8 months huh?
"Basically, things are in the very early iterations of a change that we are all just begining to contemplate."
I hate to break this to you (no I don't), but a great many of us have seen this coming for years.
Oh no! And then it will get up while you are sleeping and put a transmitter in your brain so They (tm) can read your thoughts!
*gasp*
Pfffff sensationalism. I guess it got you a karma point though.
"It makes the assertion that if 88% of commercials are never viewed by Tivo viewers, then commercial tv will cease to exist. bzzzzt.
"
bzzztttt! You're wrong.
Try finishing an article before you start posting.
Arguing over analogies is a really stupid way to screw up a debate. Did you even read the article? Napster had almost nothing to do with it.
Any analogy can be found to be wrong if you look at it from enough angles, instead of doing that why don't you try to figure out what is right about it? Don't disagree with the entire article because you were too unimaginative to understand the analogy.
Anyway, after the EVIL NAPSTER company dies. I'm going to make an mp3 filesharing system that isn't evil!
err...
hrm...
Is that even possible? If not, maybe it's not the company that is evil then?
Ah yes, the holy grail of the entertainment industry, micropayments.
Yeah, it'll be nice when someone figures it out.
Work on your reading comprehension skills sparky. The Napster comparison wasn't perfect, but the point was that both Napster and Tivo attack industries with services that are driven by consumer demand. It doesn't apply from all angles, but no analogy is perfect.
In any case, the article states that on a Tivo unit 88% of the commercials go unwatched. In fact, both Tivo and Replay have the ability to avoid commercials. Tivo has 3 different fast forward speeds, and Replay has a "Skip ahead 30 seconds" button, which in effect "chops out commercials". So perhaps your premise is wrong?
Ah well, so consumers gain the ability to chop out 30 second ads. Does this mean the industry dies when everyone gets a Tivo? Of course not, it means television is going to change, the mass market is going to break into smaller more focused markets, and the industry is going to have to adapt. A premise that I'm pretty sure is accurate.
People will still watch the big games live, probably anyway, but so what? Thats not a whole lot of television.
The entire premise of the article was that the data shows that people who own these black boxes cease to even CARE when shows air. Why would I? If I come home and look at my Tivo's list of things it has recorded without me asking, and 90% of it is shows I like, why would I start surfing the channels? I have a DSS with a huge amount of channels, Im certain that in a 24 hour period a Tivo unit could find enough shows to keep me entertained for at least 6 or 7 hours of television viewing.
The point is, people with Tivo's are not just watching whatever is on at the moment anymore. Suddenly every show that is has been on for the past day or two is at your disposal. You really think "Friends" is going to maintain it's huge audience under those conditions?
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games nowadays suck
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I remember when..
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Don't you have anything better to do, like purchase your burial plot maybe?