Re:Where to find info (and some personal favs)
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Coruscater,
Good summary of the games. Not sure I'd agree with all your comments (for example, I love T&E, I don't mind Citadels, and I find it hard to see the similarities between PR and El Grande).
Firstly, you are being nitpicky. You might want to check up the dictionary on what 'expect' means (most people wouldn't assign 100% certainty to an expectation).
Secondly, the issue you have raised is the reason why many people (including myself at this stage) don't rate many 10s.
Thirdly, your statement 'With chess, this is a reasonable expectation' is your opinion - obviously you like Chess. I would never rate it as '10 - Outstanding. Always want to play and expect this will never change.' I That doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Or illogical. Or inferior. I just vastly prefer many games over chess (I think I rank chess 5 or 6).
Fourthly, I suggest if you want a reasonable discussion, don't throw out unsubstantiated statements like 'People don't vote honestly' or 'explain to me why over 90% of those 211 above chess will be replaced with completely different games'. It doesn't add any value to the discussion, and weakens the rest of your post.
In general, I think you are missing the point of the whole BGG rating system. It is based on people saying what they like playing. A 10 rating is a little odd in that it is considering the possibility of whether you will like the game in future. But it does have a purpose - to distinguish an excellent game that you are playing now from an excellent game that you expect you will keep playing. Can you be sure you will be right in your expectation? No - of course not. But then you can always come back and change your rating to a 9 - so the system self corrects anyway.
Again, I would suggest giving a couple of the Top 20 a whirl - I expect you will enjoy Settlers of Catan. But I can't be 100% certain.;-)
In the world of board games there are crap games, just as there are in computer games.
If your frame of reference is Monopoly (which sells well, but is not a favourite of the majority of the 'gamer crowd') you probably should play something else - http://www.boardgamegeek.com/top50.htm/ will give you some ideas...
Re:There's also Warcraft and Civilization
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People aren't rating games highly at BGG because they feature in an encyclopedia. They are rating them according to the documented rating system at the site:
10 - Outstanding. Always want to play and expect this will never change.
9 - Excellent game. Always want to play it.
8 - Very good game. I like to play. Probably I'll suggest it and will never turn down a game.
7 - Good game, usually willing to play.
6 - Ok game, some fun or challenge at least, will play sporadically if in the right mood.
5 - Average game, slightly boring, take it or leave it.
4 - Not so good, it doesn't get me but could be talked into it on occasion.
3 - Likely won't play this again although could be convinced. Bad.
2 - Extremely annoying game, won't play this ever again.
1 - Defies description of a game. You won't catch me dead playing this. Clearly broken.
While Chess may be a classic (just as Monopoly and Risk may be 'classic') doesn't mean I would play it when I have other games to play (which are more 'fun' for myself and the people I play with). Mind you, a ranking of 212 (score of 7.12) for Chess is not to be scoffed at - obviously alot of people would play it...
As an aside - if you haven't played any of the games in the BGG Top 20 you really should give them a whirl. Settlers of Catan is a simple place to start, then maybe look into Puerto Rico or El Grande.
There is no real 'losing position' where fellow players have to play for ages without having any chance to win, at least not until the latter stages of the game.
I would have to disagree. If a weak player plays strong players (many can be found at http://www.brettspielwelt.de/gate/jsp/base/) the weak player will be completely thumped. Also, the first 3 or 4 rounds are critical in PR - screw them up and chances of winning drop heavily.
BTW, if you want to play it fast - http://www.brettspielwelt.de/gate/jsp/base/ is a good place to start. No setup time since its online...
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Coruscater, Good summary of the games. Not sure I'd agree with all your comments (for example, I love T&E, I don't mind Citadels, and I find it hard to see the similarities between PR and El Grande).
Tigris and Euphrates (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/42) is undoubtably a good choice based on the games you have enjoyed.
Firstly, you are being nitpicky. You might want to check up the dictionary on what 'expect' means (most people wouldn't assign 100% certainty to an expectation).
Secondly, the issue you have raised is the reason why many people (including myself at this stage) don't rate many 10s.
Thirdly, your statement 'With chess, this is a reasonable expectation' is your opinion - obviously you like Chess. I would never rate it as '10 - Outstanding. Always want to play and expect this will never change.' I That doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Or illogical. Or inferior. I just vastly prefer many games over chess (I think I rank chess 5 or 6).
Fourthly, I suggest if you want a reasonable discussion, don't throw out unsubstantiated statements like 'People don't vote honestly' or 'explain to me why over 90% of those 211 above chess will be replaced with completely different games'. It doesn't add any value to the discussion, and weakens the rest of your post.
In general, I think you are missing the point of the whole BGG rating system. It is based on people saying what they like playing. A 10 rating is a little odd in that it is considering the possibility of whether you will like the game in future. But it does have a purpose - to distinguish an excellent game that you are playing now from an excellent game that you expect you will keep playing. Can you be sure you will be right in your expectation? No - of course not. But then you can always come back and change your rating to a 9 - so the system self corrects anyway.
Again, I would suggest giving a couple of the Top 20 a whirl - I expect you will enjoy Settlers of Catan. But I can't be 100% certain. ;-)
If your frame of reference is Monopoly (which sells well, but is not a favourite of the majority of the 'gamer crowd') you probably should play something else - http://www.boardgamegeek.com/top50.htm/ will give you some ideas...
I would probably read the reviews at http://www.boardgamegeek.com/ before buying either of them...
10 - Outstanding. Always want to play and expect this will never change.
9 - Excellent game. Always want to play it.
8 - Very good game. I like to play. Probably I'll suggest it and will never turn down a game.
7 - Good game, usually willing to play.
6 - Ok game, some fun or challenge at least, will play sporadically if in the right mood.
5 - Average game, slightly boring, take it or leave it.
4 - Not so good, it doesn't get me but could be talked into it on occasion.
3 - Likely won't play this again although could be convinced. Bad.
2 - Extremely annoying game, won't play this ever again.
1 - Defies description of a game. You won't catch me dead playing this. Clearly broken.
While Chess may be a classic (just as Monopoly and Risk may be 'classic') doesn't mean I would play it when I have other games to play (which are more 'fun' for myself and the people I play with). Mind you, a ranking of 212 (score of 7.12) for Chess is not to be scoffed at - obviously alot of people would play it...
As an aside - if you haven't played any of the games in the BGG Top 20 you really should give them a whirl. Settlers of Catan is a simple place to start, then maybe look into Puerto Rico or El Grande.
English rules can be found at http://www.brettspielwelt.info/rules/
That is a good list, but nowhere near as active as http://www.boardgamegeek.com/top50.htm
There is no real 'losing position' where fellow players have to play for ages without having any chance to win, at least not until the latter stages of the game. I would have to disagree. If a weak player plays strong players (many can be found at http://www.brettspielwelt.de/gate/jsp/base/) the weak player will be completely thumped. Also, the first 3 or 4 rounds are critical in PR - screw them up and chances of winning drop heavily. BTW, if you want to play it fast - http://www.brettspielwelt.de/gate/jsp/base/ is a good place to start. No setup time since its online...
Risk? You need to play some good games. http://www.boardgamegeek.com