What the h**k you think Chinese people are not free and need to fight with their government? Form your media, ah! I'm Chinese woking in America. I really think we have more freedom in China than America. See, in here, your phone is monitored, maybe reocrded by FBI, I seldom read/see different opinion from outside world on media. Everthing I do can be traced, your bank, credit card, personal info, etc. I'm trapped. I need a fresh air from China.
This is where I love American.
If double standards is bad, the best approach is don't put standard. Why do you think American standard is world standard? Then you save yourself in all round.
As a Chinese, nobody cares about this topic. Don't be evil as Google motto said but don't be the God either.
First, business is business. No need to reiterate.
Second, don't want to raise to political level, but it seems everybody insists. Political right or not is standing point problem. If you think something is political wrong, that is probably right on your competitor's or even enemy's point of view. So you can argue but don't educate Chinese.
Third, cultural and philosophy are entirely different from America in China. Personal short term interests have to oblige mass and long term interests. We can sacrifice personal rights if that can save others instead of cultural here to respect personal rights absolutely.
Do something useful. Stop worrying about someone else issue where someone else never worry about it at all.
I'm Chinese and posted a reply a few posts back of yours. I don't think Chinese care about this issue. First, they use baidu.com more often. Second, nobody is interested in arguing with government these days since government is not that bad as American think. If they ban something, there is good reason. As far as I know, absolute every parents support government should censor the Internet for well known reason. Free information flow is double blade sword. We have much more important things to do than arguing this kind of crap. Last, most banned sites in China are in English which nobody visits them anyway. In a word, NOBODY CARES!
I really laugh at Western media always trying to educate Chinese what is right and what is wrong and they should fight what is wrong. See, the best way to help China is stopping condemn it. We know what is right/wrong from our long history not from Western point of view. Don't worry about us. We are happy and know what we are doing.
China is always an issue on this board. I know most Westerners don't like China government as well as some Chinese. I'm from mainland China and work in US for about 5 years. Do I like the freedom here? Ya, that works well here for American but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work in China. Then China must be bad guy. That is the simple logic from America. See, the America cultural is to respect others and difference. That is good, however, it only apply domestic, not international or political issue.
What the h*ll you think everybody else on the Earth has to have same ideology as yours? Simply because you're rich and powerful? Convince yourself first.
China has continuous 5000 years history with 2500 years very well documented. If something is wrong, it wouldn't survive such long. We, Chinese, know very well surviving skill. We see all kinds of countries rise and fall. "We are still here!" Does this imply anything? Don't teach what we should do. IMO, Western should worry about their future and culture seriously, if now is not too late.
Then what is key Chinese cultural and philosophy? Simple: follow the natural rule, don't push. Human and universe (see not only the Earth) are one unity. If you want to survive in this universe, be part of it. Western cultural is opposite: conquer the natural, let natural world service human being. Yes, you can conquer the natural and gain a better life. But you forget penalty sooner or later will come back. Why? The natural has its balance. If your destroy it, it will rebalance it by eliminate the culprit who destroys it. Chinese realized this about 3000 years ago. That's why China is still here. I really doubt human being can survive another 1000 years if we don't change our behavior and live style, including China who becomes more and more Westernized, which is very dangerous for Chinese. Wake up guys!
Sorry for the diverted topic and not answering question directly. I always think in boarder prospective.
China keeps progressing in all aspects at light speed and introduced tons of jealous, fears and misunderstanding from others. Remember China was the world No.1 economy power spanned over at least 1500 years in the past. It became terrible pathetic since Chinese held same attitude as some you guys now when Western ascended in last 300 years - laugh, suspicious and ignorant. Will history repeat itself? I'm pretty sure it will if the policy makers hold same attitude as some posts here.
Even if it's used for China domestci market, it is big enough to make their own standard. Look at the population of that country, five times more than US.
Well you're talking about analog format. They actually have their own digital compression standard compare to MPEG4/H264 which is call AVS. China is big enough by itself to throw away any standard if they want.
What's the point of 300 years life? It simply violates the natural rule. We as human being is the part of natural world and hence has to follow the natural law unless we think are not part of it which means we are finishing ourselves very soon. Nobody can conquer the natural though one can "win" in a period of time. Natural has its own way (or Tao) to keep balance. It's matter of time to pay back if you break it. Look at it, we enjoy our high tech life which is actually consuming our children's resource. I really doubt human will have another 1000 years life if we don't change our life style. Maybe it's the natural law of terminating ourselves since human being is too intrusive to natural world.
1. Please count the number of America soldiers around the world. Are they really doing peace working? And count again the number of people died under freedom gun? China has zero soldier outside its country.
2. Taiwan and Tibet were part of China and will be always. Learn some world/China history please. If you don't like the idea of independant Quebec or California or Ireland, then don't impose your statement on China.
3. Country as China was set up 2500 years again. The variety of dynasty donesn't mean different country. China is the name from Westerner. Chinese call them the center kingdom all the time. You can create country by name it a new name.
4. Using force. Ask the people other than American in the world. You will get the idea.
"The real potential danger for China is that Top-dowm management has worked for them for a couple of millenia, and they figure it'll be good for a few more."
Oops, that's what I called misunderstanding of Chinese ancient/modern governing system. We never have pure top-down management system. We knew it wouldn't work very well. It's Chinese culture, philosophy and moral managing the system. Even emperor can't change the system. It's self balanced system. Neither by pure law/constitution like US nor by pure religion like middle east. I still believe this system is the best. Time will tell.
I belong grassroot. But grassroots often short-sighted, selfish, easily misled by media which is controlled by big interest groups. It's not top-down or bottom-up. Neither works well. It's balanced approach works best.
One correction: China as a whole country has 2500 years history, not race only. Where is Rome?
Read some replies. Maybe this is off-topic. China becomes hot topic again and again on this site, mostly blamed or sympathized. It's look like joke to me. I'm Chinese, stay in US for years. Tell you what, China has its own means to deal with issues/problems. It's not prefect, but it's always the most practicable approach. That's China/Chinese surviving skill. You guys can NOT stand on Western foot to judge China, no way, never worked, will never work. China has at least 2500 years history with everything documented. She doesn't need to be told what is right or wrong. America has 300 years history is just equivalent to one dynasty in China. It's just too short to tell who is right for American. We saw all kinds of countries rose and gone, we are still here!. In Chinese philosophy, don't be too extreme, choose balanced approach is the way to live, and longer. Central government has to control that. If not, it will be replaced sooner or later either peacefully or brutally. And continue to live in this way. I'm pretty sure China is still there after 1000 years. But I really doubt if America will be there after 200 years with current Western approach (use force) to resolve disputes around the world.
Chinese knows very well what they are doing. If you don't get it, don't make rough judgment.
Sorry for any inappropriate wording if any. I'm going back to China.
What software you are talking about? You know only 10% CPU on the Earth running on desktop. 90% of them are embedded in HARDWARE which need software to drive them. Where do those software come from? India?
I guess you either from Mars or from fooled island called Taiwan. Watch news on CCTV! Man, open your eyes! See how biased Taiwaness by its media rather than mainland.
One correction: They said no killing in Tiananmen Square which is true. They admitted killing somewhere else. I don't see anything wrong.
BTW, US never say killing Iraq civilians is error since dead Iraqi are all terriosts and never say sorry on killing allies since those were all their mistakes.
Tell me what is right in this world.
Which country you're talking about? US or China?
See, I'm so scared to say anything against US government in US since FBI might come to me any time. You know, there are some well known opinions everybody knows on this Earth except Americans. Guess what that is? If you can't, read more news from other countries' media!
First, it's not worth to answer that. Second, everybody has right to criticize others. But we Chinese, often do self-exam to see anything wrong on ourselves before condemning others. You guys are different. It's a shame that "civilized" people don't know the how bloody of their hands and complain others' fault. China is not prefect. But it's far better than your imaging. We don't have military outside country. We don't force other to accept different believing. We are happy race on this earth for 5000 years. We see all kinds of emperor up and down. WE ARE STILL HERE! (Matrix?). Who will be the next one going up and down? If you want to be God, be a good model first. You can't criticize other before cleaning up your sh*t. At least Chinese wouldn't do that.
What about all those killing at Iraq? Surely you have a humane and acceptable explanation as to why the US government has always had a policy of total annihilation towards the "rebel country".
May I call rebelling country?
I agree some of your thoughts regarding the media control in China. I have to admit that there is strict control of all media in China. Freedom in media is good but not the most critical issue and everything has two blades in Chinese philosophy. I want to see more freedom in China as well but I also concern the stability and safety of China which is top priority. I have seen free information flow creating trouble in this world. Given few examples: certain disorders in this world are magnified to be the top stories in media which is creating unnecessary chaos. Culprit learns how to make weapon from Internet. Boy/girls can get everything from Internet which their parents don't want. And I don't believe any major media are entirely independent from government or big interest group in US (except radio like NPR which I like). I have seen American people are driven by American media which is totally different from rest of the World. Look at the rest of the world, hardly find any others are plausible over Iraq war. But all major America media do.
People are controlled by media is same in everywhere. And media is controlled by government or national interests has no fundamental difference around the world, just matter of means, either this way or other way. Besides, I don't think Chinese in China can't get right information. My friends and relatives are all in China. They know all kind of news around the World and actually, they know more than I do in America since America media turn to report their own issues and don't care the rest of the World. American are more biased over world issues, trust me!
Maybe I'm joking. I feel less freedom in America than in China since I have too many laws to obey. The culture in China is not law. It's moral, kind of Confucius. We don't need exhaustive law to tell people what can do and what cannot do. It's the believing to organize the people, sometimes individual has to sacrifice to achieve the long-term interests and benefits more people. We have this culture for 5000 years. You can't simply deny it even it's not good in Western view. Imaging 1000 years later, who will be on this Earth still living happily? America has only 300 years history. You guys built great country. I respect Americans. But don't force your believing or ideas to somebody else. Respect difference is very well maintained inside America but not outside of it. Your government tries to conquer the world with your believing. That may work in short term say 100 years. But that wouldn't work in long term (1000 years time frame). Human keep making same mistake all the time. Actually, the ancient Chinese had studied all those issues and strategies thoroughly 2000 years ago when 7 separate countries fought each other and unified by Qin kindom which last 15 years only.
We are not smarter than ancient people.
AChinese
US, wake up! A Chinese can go anywhere safely on this Earth without worrying about terrorist issue at all. Can you guys do that? Only in Western world, ah!? Even so, I still doubt it. Does this tell something?
Don't condemn others all the time. You are NOT GOD. Chinese say: only the stupidest people never see his/her mistake and feels superior to others.
I'm native Chinese from Beijing. Chinese people are very very sensitive to Taiwan's issue. IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT. It doesn't matter with communist party at all. If China has US kind of democracy, I don't think China's government can stay long simply because of soften stance on Taiwan's pro-independent movement (no military action so far). Actually, it's communist party try to suppress the Chinese people outrage over Taiwan's independent movement. What a bummer! Just imaging Quebec from Canada and Ireland from British. I can image the ban of this game make lot of sense in China.
Response to other replies on possible ban on this site or some others like CNN, blar blar. Why Chinese want to access this English site? Do you guys want to read Chinese site? It doesn't matter it's banned or not since no real Chinese in China are going to access them at all, period.
Sorry for inappropriate words if any.
A Chinese.
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What the h**k you think Chinese people are not free and need to fight with their government? Form your media, ah! I'm Chinese woking in America. I really think we have more freedom in China than America. See, in here, your phone is monitored, maybe reocrded by FBI, I seldom read/see different opinion from outside world on media. Everthing I do can be traced, your bank, credit card, personal info, etc. I'm trapped. I need a fresh air from China.
This is where I love American. If double standards is bad, the best approach is don't put standard. Why do you think American standard is world standard? Then you save yourself in all round.
As a Chinese, nobody cares about this topic. Don't be evil as Google motto said but don't be the God either. First, business is business. No need to reiterate. Second, don't want to raise to political level, but it seems everybody insists. Political right or not is standing point problem. If you think something is political wrong, that is probably right on your competitor's or even enemy's point of view. So you can argue but don't educate Chinese. Third, cultural and philosophy are entirely different from America in China. Personal short term interests have to oblige mass and long term interests. We can sacrifice personal rights if that can save others instead of cultural here to respect personal rights absolutely. Do something useful. Stop worrying about someone else issue where someone else never worry about it at all.
I'm Chinese and posted a reply a few posts back of yours. I don't think Chinese care about this issue. First, they use baidu.com more often. Second, nobody is interested in arguing with government these days since government is not that bad as American think. If they ban something, there is good reason. As far as I know, absolute every parents support government should censor the Internet for well known reason. Free information flow is double blade sword. We have much more important things to do than arguing this kind of crap. Last, most banned sites in China are in English which nobody visits them anyway. In a word, NOBODY CARES! I really laugh at Western media always trying to educate Chinese what is right and what is wrong and they should fight what is wrong. See, the best way to help China is stopping condemn it. We know what is right/wrong from our long history not from Western point of view. Don't worry about us. We are happy and know what we are doing.
China is always an issue on this board. I know most Westerners don't like China government as well as some Chinese. I'm from mainland China and work in US for about 5 years. Do I like the freedom here? Ya, that works well here for American but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work in China. Then China must be bad guy. That is the simple logic from America. See, the America cultural is to respect others and difference. That is good, however, it only apply domestic, not international or political issue. What the h*ll you think everybody else on the Earth has to have same ideology as yours? Simply because you're rich and powerful? Convince yourself first. China has continuous 5000 years history with 2500 years very well documented. If something is wrong, it wouldn't survive such long. We, Chinese, know very well surviving skill. We see all kinds of countries rise and fall. "We are still here!" Does this imply anything? Don't teach what we should do. IMO, Western should worry about their future and culture seriously, if now is not too late. Then what is key Chinese cultural and philosophy? Simple: follow the natural rule, don't push. Human and universe (see not only the Earth) are one unity. If you want to survive in this universe, be part of it. Western cultural is opposite: conquer the natural, let natural world service human being. Yes, you can conquer the natural and gain a better life. But you forget penalty sooner or later will come back. Why? The natural has its balance. If your destroy it, it will rebalance it by eliminate the culprit who destroys it. Chinese realized this about 3000 years ago. That's why China is still here. I really doubt human being can survive another 1000 years if we don't change our behavior and live style, including China who becomes more and more Westernized, which is very dangerous for Chinese. Wake up guys! Sorry for the diverted topic and not answering question directly. I always think in boarder prospective.
China keeps progressing in all aspects at light speed and introduced tons of jealous, fears and misunderstanding from others. Remember China was the world No.1 economy power spanned over at least 1500 years in the past. It became terrible pathetic since Chinese held same attitude as some you guys now when Western ascended in last 300 years - laugh, suspicious and ignorant. Will history repeat itself? I'm pretty sure it will if the policy makers hold same attitude as some posts here.
Even if it's used for China domestci market, it is big enough to make their own standard. Look at the population of that country, five times more than US.
Well you're talking about analog format. They actually have their own digital compression standard compare to MPEG4/H264 which is call AVS. China is big enough by itself to throw away any standard if they want.
What's the point of 300 years life? It simply violates the natural rule. We as human being is the part of natural world and hence has to follow the natural law unless we think are not part of it which means we are finishing ourselves very soon. Nobody can conquer the natural though one can "win" in a period of time. Natural has its own way (or Tao) to keep balance. It's matter of time to pay back if you break it. Look at it, we enjoy our high tech life which is actually consuming our children's resource. I really doubt human will have another 1000 years life if we don't change our life style. Maybe it's the natural law of terminating ourselves since human being is too intrusive to natural world.
1. Please count the number of America soldiers around the world. Are they really doing peace working? And count again the number of people died under freedom gun? China has zero soldier outside its country. 2. Taiwan and Tibet were part of China and will be always. Learn some world/China history please. If you don't like the idea of independant Quebec or California or Ireland, then don't impose your statement on China. 3. Country as China was set up 2500 years again. The variety of dynasty donesn't mean different country. China is the name from Westerner. Chinese call them the center kingdom all the time. You can create country by name it a new name. 4. Using force. Ask the people other than American in the world. You will get the idea.
"The real potential danger for China is that Top-dowm management has worked for them for a couple of millenia, and they figure it'll be good for a few more." Oops, that's what I called misunderstanding of Chinese ancient/modern governing system. We never have pure top-down management system. We knew it wouldn't work very well. It's Chinese culture, philosophy and moral managing the system. Even emperor can't change the system. It's self balanced system. Neither by pure law/constitution like US nor by pure religion like middle east. I still believe this system is the best. Time will tell. I belong grassroot. But grassroots often short-sighted, selfish, easily misled by media which is controlled by big interest groups. It's not top-down or bottom-up. Neither works well. It's balanced approach works best. One correction: China as a whole country has 2500 years history, not race only. Where is Rome?
Read some replies. Maybe this is off-topic. China becomes hot topic again and again on this site, mostly blamed or sympathized. It's look like joke to me. I'm Chinese, stay in US for years. Tell you what, China has its own means to deal with issues/problems. It's not prefect, but it's always the most practicable approach. That's China/Chinese surviving skill. You guys can NOT stand on Western foot to judge China, no way, never worked, will never work. China has at least 2500 years history with everything documented. She doesn't need to be told what is right or wrong. America has 300 years history is just equivalent to one dynasty in China. It's just too short to tell who is right for American. We saw all kinds of countries rose and gone, we are still here!. In Chinese philosophy, don't be too extreme, choose balanced approach is the way to live, and longer. Central government has to control that. If not, it will be replaced sooner or later either peacefully or brutally. And continue to live in this way. I'm pretty sure China is still there after 1000 years. But I really doubt if America will be there after 200 years with current Western approach (use force) to resolve disputes around the world. Chinese knows very well what they are doing. If you don't get it, don't make rough judgment. Sorry for any inappropriate wording if any. I'm going back to China.
What software you are talking about? You know only 10% CPU on the Earth running on desktop. 90% of them are embedded in HARDWARE which need software to drive them. Where do those software come from? India?
I guess you either from Mars or from fooled island called Taiwan. Watch news on CCTV! Man, open your eyes! See how biased Taiwaness by its media rather than mainland.
Otherwise, your kids will browse prono, drug, gun and suicide info on Dell laptop.
One correction: They said no killing in Tiananmen Square which is true. They admitted killing somewhere else. I don't see anything wrong. BTW, US never say killing Iraq civilians is error since dead Iraqi are all terriosts and never say sorry on killing allies since those were all their mistakes. Tell me what is right in this world.
Which country you're talking about? US or China? See, I'm so scared to say anything against US government in US since FBI might come to me any time. You know, there are some well known opinions everybody knows on this Earth except Americans. Guess what that is? If you can't, read more news from other countries' media!
First, it's not worth to answer that. Second, everybody has right to criticize others. But we Chinese, often do self-exam to see anything wrong on ourselves before condemning others. You guys are different. It's a shame that "civilized" people don't know the how bloody of their hands and complain others' fault. China is not prefect. But it's far better than your imaging. We don't have military outside country. We don't force other to accept different believing. We are happy race on this earth for 5000 years. We see all kinds of emperor up and down. WE ARE STILL HERE! (Matrix?). Who will be the next one going up and down? If you want to be God, be a good model first. You can't criticize other before cleaning up your sh*t. At least Chinese wouldn't do that.
What about all those killing at Iraq? Surely you have a humane and acceptable explanation as to why the US government has always had a policy of total annihilation towards the "rebel country". May I call rebelling country?
I agree some of your thoughts regarding the media control in China. I have to admit that there is strict control of all media in China. Freedom in media is good but not the most critical issue and everything has two blades in Chinese philosophy. I want to see more freedom in China as well but I also concern the stability and safety of China which is top priority. I have seen free information flow creating trouble in this world. Given few examples: certain disorders in this world are magnified to be the top stories in media which is creating unnecessary chaos. Culprit learns how to make weapon from Internet. Boy/girls can get everything from Internet which their parents don't want. And I don't believe any major media are entirely independent from government or big interest group in US (except radio like NPR which I like). I have seen American people are driven by American media which is totally different from rest of the World. Look at the rest of the world, hardly find any others are plausible over Iraq war. But all major America media do. People are controlled by media is same in everywhere. And media is controlled by government or national interests has no fundamental difference around the world, just matter of means, either this way or other way. Besides, I don't think Chinese in China can't get right information. My friends and relatives are all in China. They know all kind of news around the World and actually, they know more than I do in America since America media turn to report their own issues and don't care the rest of the World. American are more biased over world issues, trust me! Maybe I'm joking. I feel less freedom in America than in China since I have too many laws to obey. The culture in China is not law. It's moral, kind of Confucius. We don't need exhaustive law to tell people what can do and what cannot do. It's the believing to organize the people, sometimes individual has to sacrifice to achieve the long-term interests and benefits more people. We have this culture for 5000 years. You can't simply deny it even it's not good in Western view. Imaging 1000 years later, who will be on this Earth still living happily? America has only 300 years history. You guys built great country. I respect Americans. But don't force your believing or ideas to somebody else. Respect difference is very well maintained inside America but not outside of it. Your government tries to conquer the world with your believing. That may work in short term say 100 years. But that wouldn't work in long term (1000 years time frame). Human keep making same mistake all the time. Actually, the ancient Chinese had studied all those issues and strategies thoroughly 2000 years ago when 7 separate countries fought each other and unified by Qin kindom which last 15 years only. We are not smarter than ancient people. AChinese
US, wake up! A Chinese can go anywhere safely on this Earth without worrying about terrorist issue at all. Can you guys do that? Only in Western world, ah!? Even so, I still doubt it. Does this tell something? Don't condemn others all the time. You are NOT GOD. Chinese say: only the stupidest people never see his/her mistake and feels superior to others.
I'm native Chinese from Beijing. Chinese people are very very sensitive to Taiwan's issue. IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT. It doesn't matter with communist party at all. If China has US kind of democracy, I don't think China's government can stay long simply because of soften stance on Taiwan's pro-independent movement (no military action so far). Actually, it's communist party try to suppress the Chinese people outrage over Taiwan's independent movement. What a bummer! Just imaging Quebec from Canada and Ireland from British. I can image the ban of this game make lot of sense in China. Response to other replies on possible ban on this site or some others like CNN, blar blar. Why Chinese want to access this English site? Do you guys want to read Chinese site? It doesn't matter it's banned or not since no real Chinese in China are going to access them at all, period. Sorry for inappropriate words if any. A Chinese.