I take it this is an opinion that is at best uninformed. Or perhaps you have different definitions for "best tool for software development".
Sure, Visual Studio offers you interesting features such as automatic typed data set generation. Automatic WSDL generation. However, a good deal of other IDEs out there offer you the same benefits. Take for example WebLogic's Workshop or look at the plugins available for Eclipse.
However, Visual Studio can NOT be considered more than a BETA product for the following HUGE problems:
1.) When you compile a Windows Forms Application, if the compilation does not succeed, all the custom controls are ERASED from your code by the designer because it can't RENDER them. This is only one of the problems stemming from having a "Design-time" runtime built into your IDE. Those controls could just as easily have been replaced by a "Error, cannot DISPLAY control" rather than taking it out of your code so you have to drag all your controls back in. This is also inconsistent with the Web development side of Visual Studio which does this correctly.
2.) Code reformatting in ASP.NET. This thing reformats your code wildly. It is not annoying, it is detrimental to the project because hours can be lost trying to look through someone else's HTML to find a problem and not being able to because start / close tags don't line up well AND Visual Studio lacks even the basic Notepad++ capability of matching up tags into regions.
3.) The integration with source control makes it possible for the following scenario: When you're checking in a file, if you're typing comments in the comments box on the "Pending Checkins" window, and you need to press BACKSPACE to erase something, it won't erase from your comments, it'll erase from the FILE UNDERNEATH. This has led to a horrible bug in our application and cost many headaches.
4.) Notorious for this, at random times Visual Studio will erase the Event Handlers inside the "Designer Generated Code". It will also lose IntelliSense. Both of these are issues with thread priority and scheduling by Visual Studio that makes these threads not run at certain times for big projects.
The worst part is, Microsoft is aware of all these bugs and MANY MANY MORE but it will not fix them. About the HTML reformatting thing: "We will have to address this in another release because as it stands it is a feature that can not be removed from the code editor".
So, you've obviously:
1.) never used high class IDEs such as Eclipse, XDevelop, or IntelliJ IDEA which have infinitely brilliant features such as code refactoring and while-you-code compiling.
2.) have not used Visual Studio for too much time or on any project that exceeds 100,000 lines of code
3.) are not aware that even on Microsoft's projects Visual Studio is not widely used at all. My friends on the Redmond campus all use EMacs.
Can't believe you said "best tool". You're a tool dude. A dumb droning Microsft tool. Open your eyes dude, take the red pill.
Good point about software, it's really more like architecture than engineering. I think that's the most familiar and deep analogy. It's really old school to call it "engineering".
Now, the thing about turning out good coders. I consider myself a very passionate and thorough coder. I love both web and database development. I understand the mathematical subtleties of good indexing and query optimizations and smart datastructures and good algorithms but I also love clean, beautiful design. I am still young but I aim to produce all of those things. I came from a traditional, try not to fucking fall asleep in class teaching method. I did fall asleep (a lot) and I messed up a lot but in the end I've been given a vast array of perspectives and experiences which I can BASE my education on. I think a common mistake is that your education ends when you leave college. I think that's when it begins. And in a way, you are an aprentice to everyone in your office, they all have something to teach you.
My point is, it's not about how you learn but about how dedicated you are and how much you can make of your environment, no matter what that may be. That's essentially the quality that makes a good programmer anyway, the amplification of good things in an environment.
no, I was talking about OS 9, from what I've used of it, it did that, unless I missed some option to turn it off. In any case, the same point is valid for dragging and dropping things on the desktop. I just can't drag and drop with that mouse.
The one thing that gives my stomach a fuzzy feeling is that this two button thing for apple *may* lead to them releasing a two button notebook. That would be amzing, I'd buy one immediately because I do love OS X very much.
Ok, so I had a biiiig problem with the regular Mac Mouse. The reason is because a very common activity with a mouse is to drag and drop. Specifically on Macintosh operating systems, you have to click on the menu, hold the click and drag the mouse down through the items till you get to the one you want. THIS IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE WITH THEIR MOUSE. I sat there watching a 4 year Mac veteran trying to use the menus with their stupid ass mouse and they missed like every other click. It's designed to fail. Basically, the only way you can scroll all the way down in a long menu is if you pick the mouse up. BUT THE WHOLE FUCKING THING IS A BUTTON. So you have to pinch it by the two stupid ass ridiculously small side things and hope to god you can hold it's weight between your index and pinky for long enough to move it back up your desk so you can continue scrolling back down the menu. WTF^2
So this new "mouse" if that's what you people want to call this abomination, has introduced the world's dumbest feature. The two side things that were your only hope of getting to the bottom of that horrid menu are now BUTTONS. WTF^4?????
So now, not only is the whole damn thing a button but you can't ever pick it up off the fucking desk to drag and drop an appropriate distance. USABILITY? What is wrong with you people?
Actually, if it's mainstream, as you very well pointed out,
"more people downloading increases its efficiency"
If it's mainstream, more people will download it. Also, however, I mentioned that it's not perfect and the point you bring up is exactly the point I implied. I think there should be a way to customize it so that the tracker can also upload the file to you and so that it can vary the upload bandwidth based on how many people are seeding that torrent at that particular time.
Someone more knowledgeable help me out, is there a way to do this yet? I know it's possible, and it seems desirable.
From what I understand, Office is one of Microsoft's biggest revenue sources. Additionally, projects such as CrossOver have shown that it can be profitable to enable Linux to run MS Office. Are you investigating the possibility of releasing products such as Office for Linux?
Every time I use BitTorrent I think of another reason to hit myself in the head for not coming up with it. It's one of those technologies, like the internet, that make you amesic about the time before it existed. Downloading regular files seems to me stupid.
That is not to say BitTorrent is perfect. I think there is tons of room for optimization and customization of a BitTorrent download session. But the important question is... why not BitTorrent?
Tell them, I was in a bind to figure out how to introduce open source to you guys. So I asked one of the premier open source / techie news sites out there: slashdot. This in itself embodies the idea of open source. You have a project idea, some initial primers and you get people to contribute out of their free time and imagination. The huge benefits of multiple points of view produce a quick way to get a solution.
You can use that as a lead in to the story of Linux, I don't know what fires people up more than Linus' original post in that forum about how he got Linux to work.
I don't think it's a good idea at all. Just stuff that sounds cool. Us putting people back on the moon is just about as usefull as me installing another distribution of Linux:
12:00 am... breaking current distro with dependency issues and rm -R * everything by accident
1:00 am... giving up trying to fix broken distro, hunting for disgruntled users and their choice for the next distro
2:00 am... installing new distro 3:00 am... thank god I got the package cd so I don't have to compile all this shit 4:00 am... it F*ING Works!!! I don't believe it, it WORKS 4:05 am... 4:10 am... now what? I wonder if I can upgrade my compiler to the unstable version to get all these cool new versions of packages... (continue from 12:00 am)
Seriously though, unless we have a Purpose there, like finding Osama Bin Laden, why are we going?
Ok, right, both these companies *provide* these services, but both don't *sell* them. I think it's not competition unless you sell it, because otherwise it could be argued that if Dr. Lee left and went to work for McDonald's that some manager from McDonald's runs his own web and mail server and lets people use it for free and associates it with that particular franchise and so therefore Dr. Lee is violating a non-competition agreement because he's working for a McDonald's that offers web and mail hosting!?
That's really funny, that's exactly my problem, and here is someone else that agrees with me so I'm not crazy. Even funnier, the last poster on the first page suggested Slackware, just like you, so I'm happy I spent all day downloading all 4 CDs : )
Totally true. I feel this is just like big cock thumping by the two Giants. If Google really just wanted to take this dude, they would not be employing him but letting him start his own company in China and signing deals with him through his company. Or... they'd pay for a 6 month vacation for him and then hire him. Microsoft couldn't touch Google then. But there seems to be a reason Google is all up in Microsoft's face about this. Perhaps they were waiting to get sued.
excuse my ignorance, but how exactly are Microsoft and Google competing? By that definition, any two companies are competing.
I think for the definition of competition, we should look at what products or services a company sells. Microsoft sells Operating Systems, Office software, some hardware, and a few other things. Google sells advertisement space and search capabilities. Again... how exactly are these two companies "competing"?
It's not a bad experience as much as an inherent problem. I did not report the problem, but the only way to solve it would be to use old versions of the software. I'm not implying that I don't like Linux because of it. I'm just saying that on Windows, I can install the latest version of everything with no problems...
Hm... interesting, so slackware doesn't have dependency management? I'll give that a try, it was one of the major ones that I haven't installed yet because it was on kernel 2.4 and I am working off a laptop so the power management was easier with 2.6 for a newb.
I'll let you know how my Slack install goes : ) Gee, I sure hope I'm not wearing out that teetering logical partition by wiping it every two days. Thanks for the insight.
"instead of giving a list of software that people are running just fine"
Ok, I'm really insistent on getting this exact point ironed out. People in all the linux comunity keep saying that, but what I was trying to point out with the list I mentioned is that this is not true if you examine it deeper.
The problem, as I see it, and again I'm no expert, is that dependencies are not controlled as tightly. So for example in Ubuntu right now in order to get any of the latest software (like ipf-line or mplayer, or a bunch of other things) it keeps giving me this error like: you need libc6 version 2.4.3.
for reference: I did a standard install of Ubuntu from the CD. I then went to install stuff and there was like NO SOFTWARE including xine or vlc or libdvdcss2. Now, that's shit you definitely need. So I went to the forums... they told me to change my sources.list to include such and such new servers, ok, I did that. Then I went to install stuff. VLC runs with no sound, mplayer complains about libc6, etc.
But if you upgrade libc6 the system becomes unstable from what people have posted on the forums. I'm trying to say, it may be something a geekhead can figure out, but that doesn't make it right to claim something like: Linux installs and runs software as easily as Windows. That is just not true. I can't believe I got modded flamebait, I'm making possibly the only point that is relevant to make about Linux:
Wake up people, it's not the cat's pajamas and there is A LOT more to do in terms of stability, and compatibility.
THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. See, my original point (which very amuzingly got rated flamebait) was that you can't get ALL of these to work. In windows, if I want a bunch of different things to work together, I just install them. I have gotten each one of those things to work but never have successfully gotten all of them to work together on a good stable, multi-user system. From the small list of packages, that seems like a small request.
heh, I'm sorry, I did not mean any offense, and I did not say that alcohol is the cause for ALL depression. I think you're making the first mistake of arguing which is to argue against the person making an argument instead of against the argument.
As a matter of fact, I'm an entirely different person from what I say in anonymous slashdot posts used to incite people's response... I do sincerely apologize for any offense. In any case, I'm actually very interested in depression as my girlfriend actually suffers from it. She's been diagnosed with it and everything, had things subscribed, but I find that spending a little time with her and making her laugh is just as good a cure as anything else. I'm curious, how does your disease manifest itself, what do you do on a daily basis, and what do you think is the cause?
For everyone that's seen the Serenity Sneak Peak, I'd just like to point out how Awesome (was this intended???) it is that this Slashdot story is right above the story about the little mind-altering depression curing device. If you did this on purpose, whoever you are, VERY FUNNY.
Stop binge drinking yourselves to death you dumb Americans.
Alcohol is a bypass way to feed your brain some of the chemicals that it normally regulates, most notably some chemical that regulates mood. If you use alcohol, your brain stops producing that shit. Consequentially you become "depressed". I'm willing to bet some money on whether or not Alcohol industry invests in the manufacturing of this "serenity device". (If you've seen the sneak peak of Serenity, you totally appreciate this story and the responses).
Note to idiot country: drink more like the europeans and less like the rednecks that taught you this stupid hobby passed from wandering lonely whiskey guzzling ancestors.
In general America, for a reality check look at other countries and if you can't do it, buy a George Carlin CD and let him do it for you. Example: Bulemia is NOT a real disease. Notice how it's not as popular these days as in the 80s when the ideal for beauty was thinner than it is now (Thank god for that, keep it up busty ladies). Ok, enough of my ranting, this country's going to shit anyway and I'm moving to the moon soon, so good luck America.
Actually, I've kinda got the same problem. I just use the Ctrl+SCROLL on steroids solution.
1.) Buy a logitech mouse with more than 3 buttons (I love my MX 500) 2.) Set up one of the buttons on the side to be Ctrl and the other one to be Ctrl+TAB. 3.) Enjoy the awesome feature of zooming everything on your page with only the mouse (Just click the Ctrl-assigned button and scroll at the same time) 4.) Discover with awe the other abilities to Ctrl+Click to open in new tabs and Ctrl+Tab to switch between these tabs.
I know that Ctrl+SCROLL doesn't do what you're trying to do, but if you can do it so easily with the mouse, you can just keep doing it to a page to switch between easily reading text to seeing the page how it was meant to be.
Desist Slashdot Hoarde... No more jokes, be serious for a second. This IS true. I'm between a newb and intermediate on Linux but have been using MS since DOS. I've used Mandrake, Red Hat, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Beatrix, Knoppix, and SLAX for different purposes. My laptop is going back and forth from Ubuntu to Gentoo dual booting with Windows.
I always find myself going back to windows when I can't figure out how to do something in Linux. My latest example is how I installed Gentoo and f*ed up the user management part and ran everything under root. I then tried to install wine and discovered why (besides security wise) this is bad. So I tried to add a normal user and move all my preferences from fluxbox, mozilla, etc over to the user. I failed miserably and from chair reactions broke my install by rm -R * everything... lol. Ok, so that was my bad but the frustrations that the process led me to were the cause. I then moved to Ubuntu and have not been able to get VLC to work correctly. It keeps telling me I don't have the correct version of libc6 but I looked this up on user forums and the only way to get libc6 is to upgrade to breezy and people said all hell broke loose when they did this. SO, in grandiose conclusion... doesn't this sound like a headache compared to in windows... download, run, it works. IT JUST F*ING WORKS. I have a gazillion programs installed on it. It never crashes Windows XP SP2, it works nicely with firefox and ClamWin so it's lightweight, and it's overall hassle free. Say what you will of microsoft, but although Linux has some wonderful package management *IDEAS* the implementation and collaboration between package developers and distribution developers is poor to say the least. For example, I Love Gentoo's emerge system but every once in a while you get a messed up ebuild or some dependency can't be met and if you're not an expert you're not gonna figure it out. I'd love to hear some feedback if someone's found a nice and easy way to manage packages on Linux to get a good installation of:
Seriously Google, take them ALL take all their fucking people. EVERY ONE OF THEM. Microsoft is so hipocritical. They stole people from all over the IT industry. Everything they have is stolen bought or copied technology.
*MS*DOS belonged to... Windows paid settlement for basing their UI on... NT was developed by... ActiveDirectory is adapted from... Visio was developed by... C# is based on...
Microsoft should be sued by God on account that they've persuaded his talent to join the dark side.
hahaha... hardly today's most sexist remark. That would be more along the lines of "Woman: life support for a vagina". Or... "Women suck totally huge ass all the time and they don't deserve to be part of society because they're backstabbing caniving double standarded bullshitting bitches who wouldn't give you the time of day unless you had a big cock, money, a nice car, and then when they did give you the time of day, it would only be so they can take from you what you have earned with hard work... burn them all".
But... who am I to judge... maybe what he said is sexist. Or, maybe what he said is indicative of a very large amount of relationships in the United States. Maybe what he said lightly hints along the lines of the line from Magnolia: "Respect the Cock!". Maybe what he said represents how a lot of guys feel about their spouses.
I personally don't agree, I fucking hate everybody and I love everybody at the same time. I think if you're dumb enough to sell your shit cause ANYBODY tells you to (which we don't even know the person in TFA did), you don't deserve sympathies and more power to the *person* that told you to sell your shit, he/she has control over you and you just lost in the game of social evolution.
ONE thing I do know. The advice the OP gave us does not apply to most people. Keeping women at arm's length would make sex impossible for most of us.
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I take it this is an opinion that is at best uninformed. Or perhaps you have different definitions for "best tool for software development".
Sure, Visual Studio offers you interesting features such as automatic typed data set generation. Automatic WSDL generation. However, a good deal of other IDEs out there offer you the same benefits. Take for example WebLogic's Workshop or look at the plugins available for Eclipse.
However, Visual Studio can NOT be considered more than a BETA product for the following HUGE problems:
1.) When you compile a Windows Forms Application, if the compilation does not succeed, all the custom controls are ERASED from your code by the designer because it can't RENDER them. This is only one of the problems stemming from having a "Design-time" runtime built into your IDE. Those controls could just as easily have been replaced by a "Error, cannot DISPLAY control" rather than taking it out of your code so you have to drag all your controls back in. This is also inconsistent with the Web development side of Visual Studio which does this correctly.
2.) Code reformatting in ASP.NET. This thing reformats your code wildly. It is not annoying, it is detrimental to the project because hours can be lost trying to look through someone else's HTML to find a problem and not being able to because start / close tags don't line up well AND Visual Studio lacks even the basic Notepad++ capability of matching up tags into regions.
3.) The integration with source control makes it possible for the following scenario: When you're checking in a file, if you're typing comments in the comments box on the "Pending Checkins" window, and you need to press BACKSPACE to erase something, it won't erase from your comments, it'll erase from the FILE UNDERNEATH. This has led to a horrible bug in our application and cost many headaches.
4.) Notorious for this, at random times Visual Studio will erase the Event Handlers inside the "Designer Generated Code". It will also lose IntelliSense. Both of these are issues with thread priority and scheduling by Visual Studio that makes these threads not run at certain times for big projects.
The worst part is, Microsoft is aware of all these bugs and MANY MANY MORE but it will not fix them. About the HTML reformatting thing: "We will have to address this in another release because as it stands it is a feature that can not be removed from the code editor".
So, you've obviously:
1.) never used high class IDEs such as Eclipse, XDevelop, or IntelliJ IDEA which have infinitely brilliant features such as code refactoring and while-you-code compiling.
2.) have not used Visual Studio for too much time or on any project that exceeds 100,000 lines of code
3.) are not aware that even on Microsoft's projects Visual Studio is not widely used at all. My friends on the Redmond campus all use EMacs.
Can't believe you said "best tool". You're a tool dude. A dumb droning Microsft tool. Open your eyes dude, take the red pill.
Good point about software, it's really more like architecture than engineering. I think that's the most familiar and deep analogy. It's really old school to call it "engineering".
Now, the thing about turning out good coders. I consider myself a very passionate and thorough coder. I love both web and database development. I understand the mathematical subtleties of good indexing and query optimizations and smart datastructures and good algorithms but I also love clean, beautiful design. I am still young but I aim to produce all of those things. I came from a traditional, try not to fucking fall asleep in class teaching method. I did fall asleep (a lot) and I messed up a lot but in the end I've been given a vast array of perspectives and experiences which I can BASE my education on. I think a common mistake is that your education ends when you leave college. I think that's when it begins. And in a way, you are an aprentice to everyone in your office, they all have something to teach you.
My point is, it's not about how you learn but about how dedicated you are and how much you can make of your environment, no matter what that may be. That's essentially the quality that makes a good programmer anyway, the amplification of good things in an environment.
no, I was talking about OS 9, from what I've used of it, it did that, unless I missed some option to turn it off. In any case, the same point is valid for dragging and dropping things on the desktop. I just can't drag and drop with that mouse.
The one thing that gives my stomach a fuzzy feeling is that this two button thing for apple *may* lead to them releasing a two button notebook. That would be amzing, I'd buy one immediately because I do love OS X very much.
Ok, so I had a biiiig problem with the regular Mac Mouse. The reason is because a very common activity with a mouse is to drag and drop. Specifically on Macintosh operating systems, you have to click on the menu, hold the click and drag the mouse down through the items till you get to the one you want. THIS IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE WITH THEIR MOUSE. I sat there watching a 4 year Mac veteran trying to use the menus with their stupid ass mouse and they missed like every other click. It's designed to fail. Basically, the only way you can scroll all the way down in a long menu is if you pick the mouse up. BUT THE WHOLE FUCKING THING IS A BUTTON. So you have to pinch it by the two stupid ass ridiculously small side things and hope to god you can hold it's weight between your index and pinky for long enough to move it back up your desk so you can continue scrolling back down the menu. WTF^2
So this new "mouse" if that's what you people want to call this abomination, has introduced the world's dumbest feature. The two side things that were your only hope of getting to the bottom of that horrid menu are now BUTTONS. WTF^4?????
So now, not only is the whole damn thing a button but you can't ever pick it up off the fucking desk to drag and drop an appropriate distance. USABILITY? What is wrong with you people?
Check out the Logitech MX 500 for a real mouse.
"distributing out of the mainstream material"
Actually, if it's mainstream, as you very well pointed out,
"more people downloading increases its efficiency"
If it's mainstream, more people will download it. Also, however, I mentioned that it's not perfect and the point you bring up is exactly the point I implied. I think there should be a way to customize it so that the tracker can also upload the file to you and so that it can vary the upload bandwidth based on how many people are seeding that torrent at that particular time.
Someone more knowledgeable help me out, is there a way to do this yet? I know it's possible, and it seems desirable.
From what I understand, Office is one of Microsoft's biggest revenue sources. Additionally, projects such as CrossOver have shown that it can be profitable to enable Linux to run MS Office. Are you investigating the possibility of releasing products such as Office for Linux?
Every time I use BitTorrent I think of another reason to hit myself in the head for not coming up with it. It's one of those technologies, like the internet, that make you amesic about the time before it existed. Downloading regular files seems to me stupid.
That is not to say BitTorrent is perfect. I think there is tons of room for optimization and customization of a BitTorrent download session. But the important question is... why not BitTorrent?
actually, that's really funny you say that because check out my other post: recursive question. I was just kidding in this post.
Dudes, stop giving this guy answers.
Dude, do your own homework.
I just had a cool idea regarding your question:
Tell them, I was in a bind to figure out how to introduce open source to you guys. So I asked one of the premier open source / techie news sites out there: slashdot. This in itself embodies the idea of open source. You have a project idea, some initial primers and you get people to contribute out of their free time and imagination. The huge benefits of multiple points of view produce a quick way to get a solution.
You can use that as a lead in to the story of Linux, I don't know what fires people up more than Linus' original post in that forum about how he got Linux to work.
I don't think it's a good idea at all. Just stuff that sounds cool. Us putting people back on the moon is just about as usefull as me installing another distribution of Linux:
... breaking current distro with dependency issues and rm -R * everything by accident
... giving up trying to fix broken distro, hunting for disgruntled users and their choice for the next distro
... installing new distro ... thank god I got the package cd so I don't have to compile all this shit ... it F*ING Works!!! I don't believe it, it WORKS ... ... now what? I wonder if I can upgrade my compiler to the unstable version to get all these cool new versions of packages... (continue from 12:00 am)
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Seriously though, unless we have a Purpose there, like finding Osama Bin Laden, why are we going?
Ok, right, both these companies *provide* these services, but both don't *sell* them. I think it's not competition unless you sell it, because otherwise it could be argued that if Dr. Lee left and went to work for McDonald's that some manager from McDonald's runs his own web and mail server and lets people use it for free and associates it with that particular franchise and so therefore Dr. Lee is violating a non-competition agreement because he's working for a McDonald's that offers web and mail hosting!?
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/1114.htm
That's really funny, that's exactly my problem, and here is someone else that agrees with me so I'm not crazy. Even funnier, the last poster on the first page suggested Slackware, just like you, so I'm happy I spent all day downloading all 4 CDs : )
We'll see how it goes.
Totally true. I feel this is just like big cock thumping by the two Giants. If Google really just wanted to take this dude, they would not be employing him but letting him start his own company in China and signing deals with him through his company. Or... they'd pay for a 6 month vacation for him and then hire him. Microsoft couldn't touch Google then. But there seems to be a reason Google is all up in Microsoft's face about this. Perhaps they were waiting to get sued.
excuse my ignorance, but how exactly are Microsoft and Google competing? By that definition, any two companies are competing.
I think for the definition of competition, we should look at what products or services a company sells. Microsoft sells Operating Systems, Office software, some hardware, and a few other things. Google sells advertisement space and search capabilities. Again... how exactly are these two companies "competing"?
It's not a bad experience as much as an inherent problem. I did not report the problem, but the only way to solve it would be to use old versions of the software. I'm not implying that I don't like Linux because of it. I'm just saying that on Windows, I can install the latest version of everything with no problems...
Hm... interesting, so slackware doesn't have dependency management? I'll give that a try, it was one of the major ones that I haven't installed yet because it was on kernel 2.4 and I am working off a laptop so the power management was easier with 2.6 for a newb.
I'll let you know how my Slack install goes : ) Gee, I sure hope I'm not wearing out that teetering logical partition by wiping it every two days. Thanks for the insight.
"instead of giving a list of software that people are running just fine"
Ok, I'm really insistent on getting this exact point ironed out. People in all the linux comunity keep saying that, but what I was trying to point out with the list I mentioned is that this is not true if you examine it deeper.
The problem, as I see it, and again I'm no expert, is that dependencies are not controlled as tightly. So for example in Ubuntu right now in order to get any of the latest software (like ipf-line or mplayer, or a bunch of other things) it keeps giving me this error like: you need libc6 version 2.4.3.
for reference: I did a standard install of Ubuntu from the CD. I then went to install stuff and there was like NO SOFTWARE including xine or vlc or libdvdcss2. Now, that's shit you definitely need. So I went to the forums... they told me to change my sources.list to include such and such new servers, ok, I did that. Then I went to install stuff. VLC runs with no sound, mplayer complains about libc6, etc.
But if you upgrade libc6 the system becomes unstable from what people have posted on the forums. I'm trying to say, it may be something a geekhead can figure out, but that doesn't make it right to claim something like: Linux installs and runs software as easily as Windows. That is just not true. I can't believe I got modded flamebait, I'm making possibly the only point that is relevant to make about Linux:
Wake up people, it's not the cat's pajamas and there is A LOT more to do in terms of stability, and compatibility.
THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. See, my original point (which very amuzingly got rated flamebait) was that you can't get ALL of these to work. In windows, if I want a bunch of different things to work together, I just install them. I have gotten each one of those things to work but never have successfully gotten all of them to work together on a good stable, multi-user system. From the small list of packages, that seems like a small request.
heh, I'm sorry, I did not mean any offense, and I did not say that alcohol is the cause for ALL depression. I think you're making the first mistake of arguing which is to argue against the person making an argument instead of against the argument.
As a matter of fact, I'm an entirely different person from what I say in anonymous slashdot posts used to incite people's response... I do sincerely apologize for any offense. In any case, I'm actually very interested in depression as my girlfriend actually suffers from it. She's been diagnosed with it and everything, had things subscribed, but I find that spending a little time with her and making her laugh is just as good a cure as anything else. I'm curious, how does your disease manifest itself, what do you do on a daily basis, and what do you think is the cause?
Cheers
For everyone that's seen the Serenity Sneak Peak, I'd just like to point out how Awesome (was this intended???) it is that this Slashdot story is right above the story about the little mind-altering depression curing device. If you did this on purpose, whoever you are, VERY FUNNY.
Here's a hint to solve depression:
Stop binge drinking yourselves to death you dumb Americans.
Alcohol is a bypass way to feed your brain some of the chemicals that it normally regulates, most notably some chemical that regulates mood. If you use alcohol, your brain stops producing that shit. Consequentially you become "depressed". I'm willing to bet some money on whether or not Alcohol industry invests in the manufacturing of this "serenity device". (If you've seen the sneak peak of Serenity, you totally appreciate this story and the responses).
Note to idiot country: drink more like the europeans and less like the rednecks that taught you this stupid hobby passed from wandering lonely whiskey guzzling ancestors.
In general America, for a reality check look at other countries and if you can't do it, buy a George Carlin CD and let him do it for you. Example: Bulemia is NOT a real disease. Notice how it's not as popular these days as in the 80s when the ideal for beauty was thinner than it is now (Thank god for that, keep it up busty ladies). Ok, enough of my ranting, this country's going to shit anyway and I'm moving to the moon soon, so good luck America.
Actually, I've kinda got the same problem. I just use the Ctrl+SCROLL on steroids solution.
1.) Buy a logitech mouse with more than 3 buttons (I love my MX 500)
2.) Set up one of the buttons on the side to be Ctrl and the other one to be Ctrl+TAB.
3.) Enjoy the awesome feature of zooming everything on your page with only the mouse (Just click the Ctrl-assigned button and scroll at the same time)
4.) Discover with awe the other abilities to Ctrl+Click to open in new tabs and Ctrl+Tab to switch between these tabs.
I know that Ctrl+SCROLL doesn't do what you're trying to do, but if you can do it so easily with the mouse, you can just keep doing it to a page to switch between easily reading text to seeing the page how it was meant to be.
Cheers
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No more jokes, be serious for a second. This IS true. I'm between a newb and intermediate on Linux but have been using MS since DOS. I've used Mandrake, Red Hat, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Beatrix, Knoppix, and SLAX for different purposes. My laptop is going back and forth from Ubuntu to Gentoo dual booting with Windows.
I always find myself going back to windows when I can't figure out how to do something in Linux. My latest example is how I installed Gentoo and f*ed up the user management part and ran everything under root. I then tried to install wine and discovered why (besides security wise) this is bad. So I tried to add a normal user and move all my preferences from fluxbox, mozilla, etc over to the user. I failed miserably and from chair reactions broke my install by rm -R * everything... lol. Ok, so that was my bad but the frustrations that the process led me to were the cause. I then moved to Ubuntu and have not been able to get VLC to work correctly. It keeps telling me I don't have the correct version of libc6 but I looked this up on user forums and the only way to get libc6 is to upgrade to breezy and people said all hell broke loose when they did this. SO, in grandiose conclusion... doesn't this sound like a headache compared to in windows... download, run, it works. IT JUST F*ING WORKS. I have a gazillion programs installed on it. It never crashes Windows XP SP2, it works nicely with firefox and ClamWin so it's lightweight, and it's overall hassle free. Say what you will of microsoft, but although Linux has some wonderful package management *IDEAS* the implementation and collaboration between package developers and distribution developers is poor to say the least. For example, I Love Gentoo's emerge system but every once in a while you get a messed up ebuild or some dependency can't be met and if you're not an expert you're not gonna figure it out. I'd love to hear some feedback if someone's found a nice and easy way to manage packages on Linux to get a good installation of:
Firefox,
OpenOffice,
VLC,
XMMS,
ACPI,
Flux
... There can be only ONE.
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Seriously Google, take them ALL take all their fucking people. EVERY ONE OF THEM. Microsoft is so hipocritical. They stole people from all over the IT industry. Everything they have is stolen bought or copied technology.
*MS*DOS belonged to
Windows paid settlement for basing their UI on
NT was developed by
ActiveDirectory is adapted from
Visio was developed by
C# is based on
Microsoft should be sued by God on account that they've persuaded his talent to join the dark side.
hahaha... hardly today's most sexist remark. That would be more along the lines of "Woman: life support for a vagina". Or ... "Women suck totally huge ass all the time and they don't deserve to be part of society because they're backstabbing caniving double standarded bullshitting bitches who wouldn't give you the time of day unless you had a big cock, money, a nice car, and then when they did give you the time of day, it would only be so they can take from you what you have earned with hard work... burn them all".
But... who am I to judge... maybe what he said is sexist. Or, maybe what he said is indicative of a very large amount of relationships in the United States. Maybe what he said lightly hints along the lines of the line from Magnolia: "Respect the Cock!". Maybe what he said represents how a lot of guys feel about their spouses.
I personally don't agree, I fucking hate everybody and I love everybody at the same time. I think if you're dumb enough to sell your shit cause ANYBODY tells you to (which we don't even know the person in TFA did), you don't deserve sympathies and more power to the *person* that told you to sell your shit, he/she has control over you and you just lost in the game of social evolution.
ONE thing I do know. The advice the OP gave us does not apply to most people. Keeping women at arm's length would make sex impossible for most of us.