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Fun and Informative Way to Introduce Open Source?

jwg asks: "I work in an office environment where I provide technical services and solutions to my co-workers (as I am sure most Slashdot readers do at their respective places of employment). Once a month, we have a round-table meeting to discuss pressing issues in our office. At the beginning of these meetings, it is one person's job to provide some form of 'professional development', usually an activity or game to teach some skill, idea, or trend directly related to their job. My turn is coming up soon, and I would like to introduce my co-workers to the idea (and to some, the way of life) of Open Source. There are many examples of Open Source software and communities out there to reference (Mozilla, Wikipedia, MySQL and... oh yeah, Linux), but has anyone come up with or come across a method to introduce it in a quick, fun, and informative way to a wide variety of people each of which possess a even wider range of technical skill? Did I mention it has to be fun?"

364 comments

  1. Open Source Computer on a Stick by Ohmster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about creating or buying a ready-made "computer on a stick"? That is a USB memory stick...there's a fair bit of open source software, OS, apps, utilities etc., that can boot from a USB drive. You can put this together or buy one from third-party vendors. Another inexpensive alternative would be to pass around a "how to" sheet to your group after you give them a demo off a USB drive. On it you could also include the PCmag reviews of OpenOffice reassuring Microsoft Office compatibility. If you want to go the extra mile, you could even set up the Mozilla browser with all the open-source resources bookmarked like wikipedia, Wikinews, imdb, openmedia.org etc. It's an eye-opener for those not familiar with open source. More here: http://mp.blogs.com/mp/2005/07/on_computers_on.htm l

    1. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by UnderScan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Computer-on-a-stick uses the Gnome desktop, includes remote access via SSH, VNC, RDP, and runs on Linux kernel 2.6.x so it is impervious to 99% of all spyware, adware, viruses & exploits since they target Windows OS & applications.

      If you already have a USB memory device or if you PC can not boot from a USB device, then there are alternatives.

      Two Linux distros designed for small size & boot on CDR or USB devices
      Damn Small Linux 50MB http://www.thepodcastnetwork.com/linuxuser/2005/06 /13/puppy-linux-live-reviewed/
      Puppy Linux 40-90MB http://flaviostechnotalk.com/wordpress/index.php/2 005/06/11/damn-small-linux-12-review/

      Two Linux distros designed to boot from CDR & used as the base for many derivatives
      Knoppix http://www.linuxforums.org/news/article-24309.html
      Slax http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/1193

    2. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by gavinjolly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about putting as many of your business functions on a linux box, for the ultimate Wank factor create a custome Knoppix Disk and startup in front of them, that enables the attendees to do their work.

      The idea is to suprise them at what they could do on Linux with OS apps. Ensure you have network access and can fire up a browser and access network documents.

      Follow up with a rough summary of the licensing costs for the entire organisation per PC making sure your figures are transparent.

      If you could provide access to their:

      • Email
      • Documents (Open Office)
        Adobe Reader for Linux or other
      • Browser with flash and shockwave plugins
        Plugins are for those who would scoff at them not being there
      • Tools/Utilities for
        Database apps
        Web/XML
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    3. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by bxbaser · · Score: 1

      Maybe computer on a stick is noy a very good open source example.

      From the computer on a stick website

      Currently, FingerGear does not offer the
      Operating System as a download to restore the OS.

    4. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by bxbaser · · Score: 1

      Found a bit more info on thier site it seems you need a boot cd.
      Does anyone know if this is where the open source software is?

    5. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You could even configure your computer-on-a-stick to have multiple X sessions; one for Dad, running Icewm, one for Mom, running Gnome, and one for Junior, running KDE. No longer can Junior rearrange/delete the desktop icons that Mom needs to balance the checkbook.

      Or set up your computer-on-a-stick with two video cards, along with two USB keyboards and mice, and show that you can have two people using one CPU at the same time.

      Set up a dual-head system, and move windows from one monitor to the other. Lots of oohs and aahs with that one. (Of course you can do this, and far easier, with Windows and OS/X, but they don't know it.)

      Virtual desktops.

      Show 'em the recent Slashdot article(s) indicating that they'll soon be running Linux anyway, on their cell phones.

      The Gimp.

      lynx. Yes, lynx. As an "emergency" browser.

      Firefox with extensions, particularly Adblock, maybe ForecastFox. Find as you Type.

      Hack the code for ping with one of the attendees' name so it says something like "Jack's ping returns 64 bytes blah blah blah" and re-compile it in front of them. Many of them will be familiar with ping; now they know they can hack their tools as needed, as opposed to proprietary software.

      Give each attendee an ice-cold Coke in a glass bottle, but charge $1 for the use of an opener. One of the attendees will whip out his Swiss Army Knife and defeat your monopoly on openers; that's the value of Open Source and competition.

      Legos are always fun, but I don't know how you'd turn them into a lesson on Open Source.

    6. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by kabads · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always talk about how open source at the moment is big in software (apart from wikipedia and a few others), but also should apply to other areas - especially teaching materials (I work in education). People often see the value of sharing valuable materials which teach a point effectively, but also allowing others to save teachers' time (which is very limited here in the UK) by adapting the materials themselves.

      PDF is a good example of how not to publish teaching materials (unfortunately lots of people love to publish in PDF in education - oh why?) The IPPR (google for it - a left-wing Governmental policy thinktank) is waking up to this idea of open source for education and is starting to publish reports which advocate this idea. So finally, we may see the Government moving away from the old top-down (aka Cathedral) approach, which hasn't been at all effective.

      Perhaps think about an area in the company where people could share information more freely?

    7. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Slightly off-topic.

      AFAIK, the USB drive is good for only some number of reads and writes. It could fail after that. If you are using the USB drive as the HDD, wouldn't it fail far quicker than your normal hard-drive? Say, in less than 6 months?

    8. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by indifferent+children · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about us: The United Evolutionarians of Latter Day Natural Philosophers! You insensitive clod.

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    9. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by gavinjolly · · Score: 1
      Don't forget about us: The United Evolutionarians of Latter Day Natural Philosophers! You insensitive clod.

      Move along. Small scientific religious faction. Nothing to see.

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    10. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by Calyth · · Score: 1

      Puppy Linux is quite neat. In Live-CD form once everything is loaded, you could remove the CD and use the CDROM. Also as a USB Linux Distro it's quite responsive even when used with USB 1 computers (those would probably require some other method of booting).
      I would've kept the computer in Linux, if only we don't have to use bloody Outlook for email, and I have to help test the new server.

    11. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by Rxke · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of the Mozilla browser with the bookmarks.
      You could do a presentation with only FireFox/Mozilla, too...
      Present them the 'naked' version, w/o bells and whistles, and do a round of 'wouldn't it be great if the browser could do...'
      and then demonstrate how easy it is to, yes, add those wishes with the extensions/themes.

      Show them a page without and with adblock installed and see their faces...

      Show them how to personalise browsers... for people with different priorities (people in sales or r&d have different prefs of getting things done...)

      Then explain them, if they still are not convinced, that it is possible to come up with further suggestions, to put them up at Mozilla, and get feedback frrom the maintainers...

      Not too great example, maybe, but I liked this one: the Gmailnotifier stopped working, because Gmail restructured somethings, lo and behold, people started to complain, and now there's already an upgrade that not only restores functionality, but expands it.
      Try doing that with IE...

    12. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by pek314159 · · Score: 0

      Here is an IBM site with some fun Linux stuff:
      http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/

    13. Re:Open Source Computer on a Stick by tommy_traceroute · · Score: 1


      Damn Small Linux embedded
      +
      QEMU
      +
      A tiny (64/128MB) USB memory stick

      = A functional linux distro that's bootable instead of or even inside of windows.

      Sure, most of us here realize that running linux on top of 'doze basically negates 90% of the value of running a linux distro in the first place, but it does make for one Hell of a parlor trick to impress the coworkers

      Took me most of a weekend to get mine fully operational, and I not only learned a whole lot in the process, but now I have a gadget that impresses the suits in IT at work almost as much as teh 1447 h4xx0r k1ddiez down the block. And, oh yah, it's damn useful as well.



      (probably -1 Redundant by now, but I don't have time to browse the whole goddamn thread)

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  2. first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    you could always try the whole falling thing you know where everyone catches the falling person. then demonstrate it if everyone tried to make there catching system "propritary"

    1. Re:first post by tsalaroth · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it, but this should be modded up.

      It's a good idea, even if it is poorly presented.

    2. Re:first post by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then make sure you explain that 2/3 of the "catch projects" will be abandoned as folks decide to do something that will actually pay money. So, 1/3 of the demonstrations WON'T result in concussions.

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    3. Re:first post by llamaguy · · Score: 1

      Shh, don't give the patentors any ideas...

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    4. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So when the person falls and busts their ass you can say, "well if you don't like it, fix it!"

    5. Re:first post by baxissimo · · Score: 1

      Uh, wouldn't it be more like:

      Proprietary: someone will catch you if you offer to pay enough money.

      Open Source: someone will catch you as long as they aren't too busy doing other things at their real jobs, and they find it personally interesting that you're falling.

      I love open source, don't get me wrong, but I certainly wouldn't characterize it as something you can count on in a pinch. You can't really count on propietary software either, but at least if they let you fall then you've got a chance at getting some damages back in the courts.

    6. Re:first post by sparkz · · Score: 1
      2/3 are dropped; the other 1/3 result in "concussions"?!!

      Are you sure?

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    7. Re:first post by Reverend528 · · Score: 1

      no, you just warn them that the "catch projects" are provided "as is" without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including, but not limited to. the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose.

    8. Re:first post by shmlco · · Score: 1
      You can't really count on propietary [sic] software either...

      I guess that depends on your viewpoint. Most companies that sell commercial/proprietary software have a somewhat vested interest in keeping their customers happy... as unhappy customers tend to switch to other options and not buy upgrades and new versions and so on.

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    9. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't really count on proprietary software either, but at least if they let you fall then you've got a chance at getting some damages back in the courts.

      Err, when was the last time your heard of a software company being sued sucessfully because their software didn't work as advertised?

      "No warrenty" isn't just open source software... it's *all* (non-custom) software.

    10. Re:first post by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Reading is fundamental.

      Try re-reading the post.

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    11. Re:first post by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      Then make sure you explain that 2/3 of the "catch projects" will be abandoned as folks decide to do something that will actually pay money. So, 1/3 of the demonstrations WON'T result in concussions.

      The problem with this analogy is that, if you rely on the an open source projects that gets abandoned, you can take up the job of maintaining it to make sure it stays alive to meet your needs. With closed source software, you truly are up the creek sans paddle unless you have some kind of source escrowing contract.

    12. Re:first post by baxissimo · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more in terms of big corporate deals for custom software. Contract work. If you have a contract and they don't deliver the software promised in the contract, then the courts can help. Or more likely an arbiter because the contract probably stipulates that you agree to binding arbitration, but whichever. You still have some recourse if they don't come through with the software.

      But now that I think about it more, that's got nothing to do with open or closed source. You can hire out contract work under either licensing model.

  3. show em' why its good by QaBOjk · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's always fun to have your oppinions matter. Maybe collaborate a cool fictional car, that everyone can have a say what goes into it and everyone can make a difference.

    1. Re:show em' why its good by guaigean · · Score: 1

      No one wants a car made through committee... That's just scary.

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    2. Re:show em' why its good by sharkey · · Score: 1

      And I want a horn here, here and here. You can never find the horn when you're mad.

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  4. Get them thinking... by avronius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ask everyone in the group to imagine a simple piece of paper.
    Ask them:
    What would use a blank sheet of paper for?
    What do you know about where the paper was manufactured?
    What do you know about the inventor of paper?

    There are few simple alternatives to paper. Sure there are whiteboards / chalkboards / computers / sheets of mylar, etc., but each has limitations that are not inherent to paper.

    Ask them how they would feel if it suddenly cost $300.00 to purchase each sheet of paper simply because the biggest vendor decided that that was what they wanted to charge. What would they do to get around this barrier to their productivity. The alternatives aren't very convenient for most people. Would they look into making their own paper?

    Then tell them that there is a community that is offering other ways to manufacture paper that drastically decreased the cost - back down to the previous rate - how would they feel about that.

    Better still, what if that community were all volunteers, whose goal is to make access to this type of information / service / activity available to as many people as possible?

    This is rather simplistic, and doesn't address a lot of what OSS/FOSS is about, but it is a simple way to introduce the subject.

    It wouldn't hurt if you could download an Open Source paper airplane design so that they can build $300.00 paper airplanes at the end of your chat.

    - A

    1. Re:Get them thinking... by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Expanding on the paper airplane thing might make more sense than hammering on the cost. Start with a simple paper airplanne, get ideas from the room to improve it. Eliminate what doesn't work, and keep building off what does. SHow that thats how the open source model works- individual contributors adding together neat ideas to make the whole.

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    2. Re:Get them thinking... by avronius · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good idea. In my defence, I'm operating on 0 sleep and 0 coffee...

    3. Re:Get them thinking... by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Informative

      jezus christ does anyone here apart from me actually work in a company with real people and real project teams where we all contribute to achieve a goal?
      Trying to persuade people that what they do normally at work is open source, but calling it open source makes it somehow better will see you swiftly moved into the loon category in the workplace hierarchy.

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    4. Re:Get them thinking... by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 1
      Get them thinking about how *they* would like it if there was a community of underemployed kids who wanted to do their jobs for free.

      In all seriousness, I don't know why folks who wrte computer software for a living like free software. You don't expect free rent, food, clothing, etc. Why should software be free?

    5. Re:Get them thinking... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Quit conflating "free as in beer" and "free as in speech".

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    6. Re:Get them thinking... by mrmoj0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then show how even if everyone has access to the underlying knowledge of how to fold an airplane, someone can still offer a paid service that folds the paper airplanes for people and repairs if a wing gets bent.

      And maybe mention in passing that the community airplane has the unique advantage of not bursting in to flames after 12 minutes of flight time.

    7. Re:Get them thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'now imagine you write on this piece of paper,, then a few thousand nerds come and write all over it too'......

    8. Re:Get them thinking... by LordoftheWoods · · Score: 1

      Well, of course you might think that how a team works on a project seems open like Open Source from within the company, but what counts is how things look from the outside. The point is to introduce to them that maybe collaboration could be extended outside the select group of people who are employees of Whatever Corp. Sharing of information with EVERYONE is what Open Source is about and is a critical point which you miss. You are not persuading them that they are already doing things the Open Source Way (tm) but they don't realize it, you are trying to pursuade them that the making the resources which are currently available exclusively to employees (ie, source coed) universally available will be beneficial.

    9. Re:Get them thinking... by wanonyme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You could also write a sentence full of spelling mistakes, and get people to fix it, one word at a time. Spelling mistakes are bugs, they are the developers, and closed source would be an audio file that does not allow you to see the spelling mistakes.

    10. Re:Get them thinking... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      Why should software be free?

      Why should software developers create one piece of software, then get paid over and over every time that piece of software is copied?

      _Most_ craftspeople assume that they will get paid if they provide a desired product or service. If they want to _continue_ to get paid by people, they will have to keep creating new products and/or keep providing desired services.

      Why should software developers get special privileges over every other craftsperson on the planet?

    11. Re:Get them thinking... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, I don't know why folks who wrte computer software for a living like free software. You don't expect free rent, food, clothing, etc. Why should software be free?

      When software is a piece of intellectual property, most of the profit of the writing of it goes to the owner.

      When software is a bunch of open source code that people share, all of the profit goes to the person hired to write it.

      When software is a piece of intellectual property, no one shares it with anyone else, so you end up writing the same damned thing over and over and over again because it's usually cheaper to hire someone to write it yet again than it is to pay for it because you end up paying a ton of people to shuffle paper and line some executive pockets in the process.

      When software is a bunch of open source code, you can fasttrack through all the boring shit that's been done a million times by reusing another implementation and stick to the actual interesting creative work.

      You can tell what sort of a person you're dealing with by their opinion on the subject. If they think open source is the devil, they're either a useless paper shuffling con-artist, or they have aspirations to become one. If they think it's a good idea, they're a creative person who appreciates process improvements that allow them to be more creative and less of a drone.


      You know what, fuck free software. What I'd really like to see is Free Milk. For years and years we've been paying farmers to make less milk so the bottom won't fall out of the market while buying up surplus and selling it to foreign countries for next to nothing so the market here won't be saturated. If milk is so amazingly efficient to produce, and it's so easy to make more than everyone can drink, and we're spending all this tax money anyways, why can't we just subsidise them outright and give it away? If we weren't paying farmers not to make milk in order to put ourselves in a position where we have to pay other people to create less efficient foodstuffs to take milks place so we don't starve, all those people that are wasting their time making all that other stuff could stay home, drink milk and create art and music. Then we wouldn't need to have intellectual property anymore to motivate people who are overly busy for no good reason to create. They'd just do it because it's fun and they've got some free time for a change.

      I wonder if they'll tap my phone because I posted this? I have a few red shirts... perhaps I should throw them out, just to be safe.

      You don't expect free rent and free food do you?

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    12. Re:Get them thinking... by Stauf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ask them how they would feel if it suddenly cost $300.00 to purchase each sheet of paper simply because the biggest vendor decided that that was what they wanted to charge.

      The easiest way I've found to completely undercut all arguments to open source is to describe it how you just did - as a reaction to paying for software. It makes it sound like a juvenile reaction to the 'real world'; it makes it sound like no serious developer would touch it; and it makes it sound like the whole thing is driven by people too cheap to buy commercial software.

      The best results I've had selling the idea of OSS is to start out with the idea that software began as a free commodity, and it's really only big business (like Microsoft) that want you to believe that things should be different now.

      Then move onto open standards, point out that if someone came up with a paper size designed as a common format (to replace A4 or foolscap, ignoring anyone who would actually need the extra space - flawed analogy I know) that was too big for regular filing cabinets, and required you to buy your cabinets from one company and one company only (lets assume the size is patentable and patented) - noone would want to use it. Point out that that's exactly what you've got with closed standards, and that you are literally trusting your data to the whims of a company (bonus points if you can say foreign company).

      My point is that you really shouldn't compare OSS to non-OSS. You should compare the OSS philosophy to that of non-OSS. Point out that if noone will necessarily profit, noone has a larger stake then anyone else - i.e. if there's noone who has a vested interest in forcing you to upgrade, there's noone who will be able to dictate your pace of IT development to you.

    13. Re:Get them thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your stupid

    14. Re:Get them thinking... by thesnarky1 · · Score: 1

      Wow, both this and the parent are excellent. I'm a student in college who frequently fixes computers for my friends, and I try to explain to them why I use Linux instead of Windows. I'll keep these in mind, because most of the time a really simple answer is what convinces them they should try Open-Source. Thanks

    15. Re:Get them thinking... by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      Why should software developers create one piece of software, then get paid over and over every time that piece of software is copied?

      Because they can.
    16. Re:Get them thinking... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      When software is a bunch of open source code, you can fasttrack through all the boring shit that's been done a million times by reusing another implementation and stick to the actual interesting creative work.

      Yes, but nobody actually does that.

    17. Re:Get them thinking... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I do. I've written a lot of "plumbing" code and I reuse it for client after client. I stipulate that I retain the right to reuse it and any improvements that are made to it during my job for future work before I sign on, while giving them free right to use it endlessly as they see fit. Then I give it to them for free and just charge for my time. And I teach anyone in their IT department how to use it if they're interested.

      End result? They love me, they love my work, the IT department loves me and picks my brain, and they hire me to do way more interesting and powerful things than they otherwise would have. Do I get more money out of them? Short term, no, I'm giving it away. I'm passing up the opportunity to milk them for every dime. But because of this approach, my name is gold with every client I've done work for, I get good references and more work, my portfolio is way more advanced than it otherwise would be, my skills advance faster because I'm challenging myself more, and I become more employable and earn more with each subsequent job I take.

      Oh, and my work life is more interesting than it otherwise would be. Dunno about you, but that's worth a lot to me. Given the choice between doing a job in 6 boring months as I reinvent the wheels because they wouldn't pay upfront for the code I wrote long ago or just giving them the code for nothing, doing it in 2 months, earning a bigger hourly rate during those two months than most, learning new skills during all of those 2 months and giving them more than they asked for with the gained time then moving on to another job, I know which I'd choose. I suppose if I found it hard to find new work I might want to milk them for every dime, but I've never had that problem... why do you think that is?

      Give them what costs you nothing (existing code) for nothing. Charge more for what costs you (your time). Always be working. They win, you win, everyone wins.

      Oh, and as an aside, you're also generating more real wealth in this fashion rather than wasting time. So you're enriching the world and making it a better place. At least, that's my perspective.

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    18. Re:Get them thinking... by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      Why ask them to imagine the paper....

      Why not play Paper Wiki....
      Each person is given a piece of paper and ask to write a question or statement at the top. Any thing they like, but suggest a recipe that they like or the paper plane.
      When passes to left. The next person responds to the question but can only write on every 4th line.
      pass again but the next person every other line.
      pass again but from now people can add comments where they like.

      All the while make it fun and chat about open source but in the more abstract ideas, like sharing a passion, a hobby. Ways of interacting. Keep it positive, and talk about the oppertunities the approach gives.

      Unless everyone is a techincal person talking about virus and spam, and weakness is going to bore them.

      Now just before the paper get back to the orginal author, collect them all , tease them with some of the good information
      "who would have thought you could use a Carrot that way"
      and ask how much they are willing to pay for the answer.
      Hopefully they should Laugh or at least react.

      "or we could open source the answer. you get it for free.
      The condition is the answer has to stay open to anyone who's interested."

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    19. Re:Get them thinking... by madtinkerer · · Score: 1

      Of course the problem is that the original paper airplane project will get forked into smaller groups over minor design disagreements and there will end up being a bunch of paper airplanes which are good, but essentially do the same thing. Yes, the freedom to do such a thing is truly wonderful and a great strength of the community - driving innovation, etc. But there is also a point when it's time to pool resources to create a better paper airplane, not just a different one.

    20. Re:Get them thinking... by houghi · · Score: 1

      SHow that thats how the open source model works- individual contributors adding together neat ideas to make the whole.

      Use examples they can understand. If they had a teambuilding, one of the things they did was to proove that a group achieves more then individuals.

      That at least is what the teambuildings I had had in common. Go back to what the group did then, to the results and the experience.

      If you never did a teambuilding, a good test to do this is: The Moon Landing Game

      Use the PDF file so you do not give them the answers. ;-)

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    21. Re:Get them thinking... by kbielefe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First of all, a vast majority of people who actually write software for a living don't work for a software company. Most of those that do, don't get paid per copy. They get paid according to how much time they spend creating the software.

      I can't speak for all free software developers, but the main reason I donate time to free software is that I want to contribute to the sustenance of an environment that gives me a lot more back than I put in. I have over 800 packages installed on my system, and have only contributed significantly to one.

      If you could let someone stay in your house for a month in exchange for 800 months of rent, would you house him?

      If you could cook a meal and get 800 free meals in return, would you cook it?

      If you could knit a sock and get 800 articles of clothing in return, would you knit it?

      The fact that software is essentially free to duplicate makes contributing one package and receiving 800 possible, what isn't possible with material goods. It even allows plenty of room for freeloaders, as long as there are enough people like me working to sustain the environment.

      In summary, I don't expect software to be free, but I know a good investment when I see one.

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    22. Re:Get them thinking... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Why should software developers create one piece of software, then get paid over and over every time that piece of software is copied?

      Because the first purchase of that software very rarely covers all the costs. The cost of developing that software is usually amortised over a large number of sales, not just one sale, so when people on slashdot say 'The cost of copying software is zero' its basically omitting the cost of creating that software in the first place.

      People got out of the habit of paying $250,000 for a bit of software years ago, back when it was called 'custom designed' software. Software still costs $250,000 or more to create, but now its called 'off the shelf' where one solution is good for many people, and they all pay less for it than they would if they had commissioned it independantly.

      By spreading the cost over many copies, developers bring down the cost of the software to levels where more people can buy it. Or would you enjoy not being able to play Halflife 2 until someone stumped up $1million for the first copy and then the developers put subsequent copies out there for free?

    23. Re:Get them thinking... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      What I'd really like to see is Free Milk.

      Somewhat OT, but check out Milk Sucks. I'm not a rabid environmentalist (this is a PETA site); however, I truly believe that milk is for babies, and not cross-species babies either.

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    24. Re:Get them thinking... by mindaktiviti · · Score: 1

      What is that, likd a -5 penalty on all intelligence checks?

    25. Re:Get them thinking... by indifferent+children · · Score: 1
      I don't know why folks who wrte computer software for a living like free software

      For the same reason that Taxi drivers like 'free' roads (yes, I know that they pay for them in taxes, but they don't pay more for using them more). Every software developer is a software user first.

      Besides, software developers don't want to get paid for writing software. They want to get paid for writing interesting software. Re-implementing the operating system, web server, word processor and RDBMS over and over again is not interesting or desirable. Software that can be classified as 'infrastructure' or 'commodity' is boring, and will be replaced by open source alternatives. Custom software that meets oddball requirements (and has requirements that change every two weeks) will not be the domain of open source software. However, as much commonality as possible should be squeezed out of those custom projects and put into re-usable packages such as JBoss, because re-implementing object containers for custom business objects is also not interesting.

      BTW, I think that OSS is already reducing offshoring in this way. It makes more sense to offshore large projects than small ones. It makes more sense to offshore well-understood and already-solved problems than it does to offshore novel solutions to unique problems (you need the responsiveness and collaboration of onsite developers (co-located with your analysts) for novel problems). Since you can grab an OSS product off the shelf for more of your infrastructure needs, a much larger percentage of your now smaller project consists of the novel and unique.

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    26. Re:Get them thinking... by dovetail3 · · Score: 1

      If you want to decorate those airplanes, dont forget to get compatible pens. And you should check the ink too, some ink manufactures weren't let in on the composition of the paper material, so the ink doesn't always bond. If you dont have alot of time for your decorating session, you might want to get efficient pens, like the ones that only require 1 click to open them...

    27. Re:Get them thinking... by dovetail3 · · Score: 1

      I had this pen with black ink once, and I would usually just leave it in my desk... and, this may sound strange, but I would come back sometimes, and like, the ink would have turned totally blue. There was nothing I could do but just keep emptying it out, and refilling it with black ink. Anyway, I stopped using that kind of pen...

    28. Re:Get them thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No---my stupid, shitcock!

    29. Re:Get them thinking... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      Because the first purchase of that software very rarely covers all the costs.

      Then selling large, expensive-to-develop software packages as a retail product isn't a successful business model, is it? Why am I being required to subsidize a failed business model? And even worse, instead of just being taxed & the money being used to subsidize the failed business model, I am subsidizing that failed business model by being forced to give up my natural rights to do whatever I want with my own private property (like make copies of it for my friends).

      People got out of the habit of paying $250,000 for a bit of software years ago, back when it was called 'custom designed' software. Software still costs $250,000 or more to create, but now its called 'off the shelf' where one solution is good for many people, and they all pay less for it than they would if they had commissioned it independantly.

      The type of software that "regular people" would use does not cost $250k to create - especially if software developers can reuse code wherever they can get it without worrying about getting their asses sued off by litigous parasites. Using freeware software, I could build a decent text editor in a couple of days - hardly $250k in cost even with my best consultant fees :-) - and at that point it would be just a matter of time & incremental development to build a word processor that could do everything I wanted. If you've got 100,000 developers spread across the globe doing that incremental development, in parallel & borrowing ideas from each other, you _will_ end up with something very usable (probably with a lot of weird sidebranches - look at emacs for goodness sake :-).

      In the absence of IP laws, there would still be cheap software - although it would've been developed in a more evolutionary way, with each advance being used to support the next, and certainly wouldn't have supported the growth of a certain Software Behemoth.

      It sounds like it's difficult for you to conceive of the development of a market for software in any form other than what already exists. But that's one of the good things about a free market - over time, there WILL be cost-effective solutions to whatever problems need solving, even if the individuals involved can't comprehend the full path to get from "here" to "there" (or even what the eventual "there" might look like).

      As for the type of software which _does_ and would cost $250k to create - the type of large software packages used by companies are _still_ custom (or at least heavily customized), except that it runs behind the scenes where you don't usually see it. Many companies consider their in-house software to be a competitive advantage, and usually think it's worth it to pay for the services of software developers to maintain it & keep it up-to-date.

      And those things don't usually start as expensive packages - they usually start as small, simple solutions to some problem & get incrementally modified as business needs drive them. That's a _natural_ business model - getting paid for actual services rendered, instead of having laws which force people to pay you something they wouldn't ordinarily do.

      By spreading the cost over many copies, developers bring down the cost of the software to levels where more people can buy it. Or would you enjoy not being able to play Halflife 2 until someone stumped up $1million for the first copy and then the developers put subsequent copies out there for free?

      As I said above, wherever there is a demand, there will be solutions - it just wouldn't take the highly-distorted form of the current market that IP laws cause today. As far as the highly-advanced games - I suspect that they would've ended up being developed more on game-console type of hardware instead of on generic PCs. So they'd still be available, although tied more to the hardware.

    30. Re:Get them thinking... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I'm not a programmer, get off your damned high horse.

      I'm just saying that with the, what, four or more widgets sets, the dozens of window managers, the thousands of text editors... in general, people in the open source community don't recycle code. Why does Firefox have its own widget set that no other produce uses? Why does Open Office? Don't these companies realize that if they'd used a single toolset with cross-platform support, maybe their editfields would work correctly in OS X by now?

      (I'm tired of "cross-platform" projects that always get the OS X editfields wrong. They don't behave like Linux editfields, and they don't behave like Windows editfields, damnit! When I hit the down arrow in a single line editfield, I want the cursor at the end of the line! If it doesn't do that in OS X, it's wrong. Period.)

    31. Re:Get them thinking... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the propaganda.

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    32. Re:Get them thinking... by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      First of all, a vast majority of people who actually write software for a living don't work for a software company.

      This sounds like the parable of the blind men and the elephant. Can you support this assertion?

    33. Re:Get them thinking... by avronius · · Score: 1

      I chose a dollar amount as it is the easiest barrier for a diverse group of people to accept.

      It could just as easily been "now assume that the technology has been lost..." or some other crisis based issue.

      I don't believe that money should be a driving factor. It just seemed to be the easiest method to introduce a concept.

    34. Re:Get them thinking... by servicemaster · · Score: 1

      How is $30 billion/year profit a failed business model?

      Software licensing is an excellent way to generate revenue...

    35. Re:Get them thinking... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      How is $30 billion/year profit a failed business model?

      I assume you're referring to the current software industry. Their "business model" is subsidized by special laws ("intellectual property" laws). A "successful", natural business model doesn't require special laws to prop up that business model - it becomes successful by providing desired goods & services at a value that customers are willing to pay for.

      Software licensing is an excellent way to generate revenue...

      Getting a law passed that forces everyone to give me 1% of their income would be a great way for me to generate revenue too, but I really doubt that I could convince everyone that it would be in their best interests to do so.

      Try to evaluate whether a business model would succeed in the absence of "intellectual property" laws. If it looks like it can, then _that's_ a good business model.

    36. Re:Get them thinking... by servicemaster · · Score: 1

      Oh I get it I should evaluate "whether a business model would suceed in the absense of 'intellectual property' laws" .... so basically evaluate it under hypothetical circumstances.... so yes very good point. How insightful. My apologies for the error.

    37. Re:Get them thinking... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      Gee, I can tell you're really up for the challenge.

      What's so hypothetical about a business model which doesn't depend on intellectual property laws? Try every single business which provides a service or sells an actual physical product. I'll leave it up to your so-obviously-superior intellectual abilities to think of a few.

    38. Re:Get them thinking... by servicemaster · · Score: 1

      Whoah! chill dude. I'm just saying that making a supposition based on something that doesn't exist doesn't help REAL software developers. Software developers have to work with the world as it exists. YES other business models exist, YES physical product can't (or just isn't) sold on the same terms as software. But that doesn't mean that it's wrong to use the current system of software revenue generation to feed my family... If I create something unique, I don't want someone else to profit from it. That's the root of intellectual property, even if it is abused and used for other things. If you completely ignore that, and just suppose that it shouldn't exist, then you are creating a hypothetical, and that does me no good in the here and now. BTW> don't get pissy.

    39. Re:Get them thinking... by kbielefe · · Score: 1
      Interesting parable. I have to admit you may be right. I was basing my assertion on the fact that I have worked in the industry for 10 years and don't remember ever meeting someone who was currently or previously employed at a software company. I do live in the Phoenix area, which has a lot of technical jobs, but a much lower concentration of software companies than areas like Silicon Valley or Seattle.

      My definition of a software company may be different than yours as well. I exclude consulting firms who pretty much only sell one copy of their software, writing different software for each contract, or who get paid to heavily customize and install their software for each individual customer. I consider those companies to be selling software engineering services rather than selling software, and that matches with the point of my original post.

      I did find this link, which states that 46% of software engineers work in the computer and data processing services industry. 54% is only a small majority, so "vast" is perhaps an overstatement. But it includes the companies that I excluded in my above statement, so there is no way of knowing what the actual figure is from that source.

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    40. Re:Get them thinking... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      This whole thread was about whether the current system of intellectual property is necessary for SOCIETY, not whether an individual software developer can make good under the existing system. When I pointed out that it was perfectly possible for software development to occur _without_ any support from intellectual property laws, you very sarcastically commented that my thought scenario was completely hypothetical, completely ignoring the examples that I was discussing about how people make a living without depending on intellectual property.

      If you don't want pissy, then don't piss first.

      Frankly, I think an individual software developer is pretty much screwed under the current system - if they're not working for a big company, then they have to pretty much hope that nobody sues them since there's almost nothing interesting that any individual developer can do which doesn't violate somebody's intellectual property somehow.

      But that doesn't mean that it's wrong to use the current system of software revenue generation to feed my family... If I create something unique, I don't want someone else to profit from it.

      Sounds like a selfish reason to me. Why should you have control over what other people want to do? How is that going to benefit society? It certainly doesn't benefit the people you are trying to control.

      How about all the work that other people did that YOU took advantage of to create your "unique" thing? What if THEY didn't want you to be able to use their ideas to do YOUR creative work? How would you feel about intellectual property then?

      And what if somebody completely unrelated & who had no idea you existed ends up creating something very similar (which occurs quite often due to the widespread distribution of interesting research) - should you have the right to crush THEIR creative efforts because you had money & filed some papers with the government first?

      It's funny - I have _never_ seen any studies indicating that intellectual property laws have had a net benefit for society (although there's a lot of hot air by people with vested interests), but I sure have seen a lot of anecdotes about how intellectual property laws were hurting innovation.

  5. I would... by daviq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd personally start by installing and putting Firefox as the default browser on their computers. If you have extra computers lying around, i'd set them up in your lounge or other central location with an easy distro of Linux installed(Mepis, Ubuntu).

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    1. Re:I would... by One+of+the+abnormals · · Score: 0

      I disagree. This won't show anyone the uses of FOSS - many people I've shown Firefox to say, "This is the same as what I'm already using (IE)." Firefox isn't a good way to introduce FOSS because the main competitor is also free (as in beer).

      My view, then, is to start by installing OpenOffice.org as the default office suite. This will demonstrate to the employees - as well as the management - that FOSS can be just as effective as closed source software.

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    2. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just what every computer user wants! An admin who installs new programs on their computers without asking, especially one that replaces the one they are using.

    3. Re:I would... by clem · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why stop there? I like to sneak into my manager's office, wipe his harddrive and slap a ten year old version of Slackware on his system.

      Wait, was this supposed to be fun for him or for me?

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    4. Re:I would... by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 1

      Oh, oh, but this is open source, so it's OK.

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    5. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be more up-to-date than what he's currently running.

    6. Re:I would... by WetCat · · Score: 1

      Two possible really fun outcomes:
      - You'll break the process of his really important documents transmitted by troyan spyware to the company competitors.
      - What if tomorrow comes the BSA?

  6. Viruses by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bring a couple hundred viruses into the office, they'd be glad to not use proprietory windows afterwards.

    1. Re:Viruses by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was going to say to bring a nice packet sniffer in the week before and then present them with their private emails and instant messages. Tell them they can be a super spy too with open source.

    2. Re:Viruses by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      And in order to make it "fun", you could always put this information up on the big screen and have the audience play a guessing game as to who's chatting online pretending to be a 16-year old looking to hook up at the mall...

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    3. Re:Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A long time ago there was an old man, and he lived in an old, old house. The bed creaked the roof leaked, and the chair squeaked.

      So he went to a wise man and told him his house is too noisy. The wise man told him to get a cow. The man thought it was a silly idea but he did it anyway.

      The next day he went back to the wise man he said, my house is still too noisy. The wise man said to get a donkey. The man thought it was a stupid idea but he did it anyway.

      The next day he went back to the wise man he said, my house is still too noisy. The wise man said to get a sheep... a dog... a cat..." ...you know how the story ends. ;)

    4. Re:Viruses by ultramkancool · · Score: 0

      I prefer to bring PHLAK or Knoppix STD and use filesnarf dsniff msgsnarf and arpspoof to present them with all the files passwords and messages that go around the network.

    5. Re:Viruses by sharkey · · Score: 1
      Tell them they can be a super spy too with open source.

      Super Spy? Small potatoes. Don't settle for less when you can be so much more.

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  7. Two Words: by Mad_Rain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Enemy Territory.

    Okay, some further explanation might be in order - it's an FPS that was released free to the public. It can be used/modified by anyone who is interested because it is - Open Source. And play a game or two (if your office can handle your l33t pwn4g3 sk1llz!) before steering the conversation in to the other good things about Open Source.

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    1. Re:Two Words: by lxs · · Score: 1

      Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory - Resource Site: Access Denied

      You are trying to access a restricted area.

      We are Sorry, but this section of our site is for Registered Users Only.


      I can feel the freedom from here.

      So is there a way to try this out without having to register on a forum where the vast majority of downloaders will never post?

      I understand that they want to keep the bandwith bills down, but would it be too hard to put up a torrent or provide an ed2k:// link? It would certainly help spreading the word (and the code) much quicker.

    2. Re:Two Words: by bot24 · · Score: 1

      Enemy Territory does not come from enemy-territory.com. Get it from splashdamage.com.

    3. Re:Two Words: by Mad_Rain · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't run the site, and it is a 250+MB download, so I can understand their hesitancy to let just anyone use up their bandwidth. ;)

      Here's what I found using Google:
      Torrent links here
      regular download here
      and another faster-for-registered-users here

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    4. Re:Two Words: by lxs · · Score: 1

      Downloading it now. Thanks.

  8. Don't even bother... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most people outside of IT (and many who do work in IT) could not care any less about the politics of software. They don't really care about this "Open Source" thing. And why should they? What they care about are applications that install and work as close to flawlessly as possible (or at least allow them to accomplish their tasks with a minimum of problems). I really don't think you'll get much more than "Gee, that's interesting... By the way, after the meeting, can you come by my cube and show me what I'm doing wrong with this Excel macro?" If I where you, I'd "introduce" specific applications (like OpenOffice, Firefox, other more specific applications...), not the concept of "Open Source". The accounting / administrative / human resources / other non-IT folks cjust have other things to worry about.

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    1. Re:Don't even bother... by crimethinker · · Score: 5, Informative
      What they care about are applications that install and work as close to flawlessly as possible (or at least allow them to accomplish their tasks with a minimum of problems).

      I agree that most people don't care about the freedom aspect, but if you start pointing out the forced upgrade cycles, the inevitable breakage of some app or another with the next security patch or service pack, the fact that F/OSS puts as much guarantee on their software as Microsoft does for theirs (NONE), and if something bugs you about a F/OSS app, you can change it.

      People want a minimum of hassle. So point out things like the Word 95/97/2000/XP incompatibilities. My previous employer sent out a company-wide e-mail stating that we were not to install Office XP on any systems, either from our own CD's (as this amounted to piracy) or from MS Developer Network CD's, and we especially weren't to spend company money to buy a copy. The reason was that they didn't want to upgrade the entire organization to Office XP, and yet once you saved a doc with XP, you had a decent chance of being able to open it only with XP.

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    2. Re:Don't even bother... by Ucklak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. People won't care. People who did care enough have stoopped using IE though.

      You could get them into the 'free' aspect of it by showing them Open Office and Gimp. Gimp will be the most useful for Mary Jane and Brad who want to make a collage of their kids.

      Most browsers are free so that won't woo them and most desk jockeys use IE for the games that sites like Popcap has that are IE only (recent ones)

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    3. Re:Don't even bother... by rizzo420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the word incompatiblities are fewer now, at least with the later versions. but it is a good point to bring up.

      people definitely don't give a crap about the politics and why free/oss is better than proprietary software (try telling any graphic designer that there's a f/oss thing that's better than the adobe products).

      your grandparent mentioned firefox. start there. talk about extensions. talk about spyware and popups and how it's mainly for IE. mention the ieview extension. show other cool extensions and cool features of firefox that IE lacks... because being a computer tech for an office generally means you are their spyware remover... show them how to avoid it with firefox. i think that'll get their attention and make it a bit more interesting.

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    4. Re:Don't even bother... by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
      The reason was that they didn't want to upgrade the entire organization to Office XP, and yet once you saved a doc with XP, you had a decent chance of being able to open it only with XP.

      How about bringing in a couple of copies of Knoppix, than challenging them to create an MS Word document (using MS Word) that could be opened by MS Word, but not by Open Office? Start by showing them how to create a document (with Word) that can be opened by OpenOffice, but not by MS Word.

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    5. Re:Don't even bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk about the not-caring aspect as if it's a good thing - good luck in your ever-pessimistic *do nothing about it because oh well thats the way the world is* dive downwards....

    6. Re:Don't even bother... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1
      Gimp will be the most useful for Mary Jane and Brad who want to make a collage of their kids.

      I don't think so. Gimp is not ready for professionals that now use Photoshop, and way too much for people that just want to make a collage for their kids. Gimp has potential but trying to say it is anywhere near what current Photoshop users want is just dilusioning yourself.

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    7. Re:Don't even bother... by Bastian · · Score: 1

      (try telling any graphic designer that there's a f/oss thing that's better than the adobe products)

      You could try, but you'd be wrong. There are plenty of features that professional graphic designers rely on which are absent from most FOSS tools - like good, solid support for Pantone or Wacom tablets.

      For most tasks, they may be as good, or even better, but a lot of the stuff that isn't so hot on the FOSS stuff is absolutely critical for many professionals.

    8. Re:Don't even bother... by natmsincome.com · · Score: 1

      People don't care until it affects them.

      Give someone a peice of software like a spam filter and then after 30 days it stops working and they have to register - At this stage they care.

      They buy it and then try to use it on there notebook as well but they can't - At this stage they care.

      They tell there friend that they to can get rid of spam but they'll have to pay for it - At this stage they care.

      They upgrade there email client and they have to upgrade the spam filter - At this stage they care.

      They get a second account but to filter two accounts you need the "Pro" version - At this stage they care.

      They decide to use it at work but the license is a non commercial license so they have to upgrade to the enterprise version - At this stage they care.

      So while people don't care about the license in a static world, once things start to change they often do. When I tell someone that something is "Open Source" they know that they are able to do what ever they want with it even if they don't use the code.

      An example. In the past there were about 5 different ftp clients that people I know use to use. You'd go to a friends place and they would all have a different client. No one would want to change because they'd haveto register again or figure out a new interface. Last year I changed to filezilla and over the last year almost every other FTP client has been replaced.

      Why?

      Well no one wanted to pay to upgrade there client so generally it was 1 or 2 versions behind the latest version (which had features they would have liked)and no one would change because if they changed they may as well have upgraded. By using filezilla which had most of the features they wanted (if a bit rough around the edges initally) and knowing that they wouldn't be stuck in the same position they were currently in they slowly changed but once a couple of them changed almost all the rest did straight away expect for a few that took longer.

      They didn't care about the license but they did care about the freedom.
      http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/

    9. Re:Don't even bother... by generic-man · · Score: 1

      That's easy. Make a macro.

      Slashdotters love to mock businesses' use of VBA in Office documents, but they're a big (and non-free) barrier to adoption of OpenOffice.org.

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    10. Re:Don't even bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that most people don't care about the freedom aspect, but if you start pointing out the forced upgrade cycles, the inevitable breakage of some app or another with the next security patch or service pack [...] People want a minimum of hassle.

      People are idiots. In general, trying to explain anything beyond, "push this button," "this is where you sit" and "look at my lovely powerpoint presentation," is going into dangerously complex territory. And, in most places, if you're explaining something that people can't understand because they're too stupid, it's only a matter of time before they either quit or you're fired depending upon who the boss is. Now, there are exceptions, but they're called individuals, not people.

    11. Re:Don't even bother... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      In the English language, and most others as well, the first word of a sentence is capitalized. Most educated people know this.

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    12. Re:Don't even bother... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      I agree with you completely, OSS prepress isn't there yet. Ghostscript is making big strides though!

      But I was thinking about this the other day...

      There should be little legal obstacle to something like gimp adding Pantone support.

      Sure Pantone charges to use their library, so don't use it!

      I've done some patent research, and Pantone has exactly two patents, hexachrome, and proofing on paper that is the same as the paper on press. No patents relating to their enumeration of colors.

      Trademarks... just don't use the Pantone name. Call it Gimptone or whatever you want, and let the end-user define what colorant name prefixes wind up in the file (so if they wanted to change Gimptone to Pantone, no sweat).

      Copyright... that's easy, just don't copy anything other than the process build data for each color. They can't copyright a list of facts, and they can't copyright a number, and it's a fact that Pantone 191 is best represented by xx% cyan xx% magenta, etc. That's not a creative work, and not protected by copyright.

      If you wanted it even cleaner, take a spectrophotometer to a pantone to process book and sample each color for CMYK (and thus RGB) build values. That would make it blaringly obvious that the data was measurements of facts and not subject to copyright.

      So really, we can have Pantone support in Gimp whenever we want it. The only obstacles are technical, not legal.

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    13. Re:Don't even bother... by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      I think so. There are the Yahoo webmail users that won't and there are the Outlook (Express) users that know their settings and where to change them.

      Yeah, Thunderbird has better Spam filters, more secure but it doesn't use Plaxo like O(E) (and yes, people do use Plaxo and it annoys the crap outta me). It doesn't sync with their PDA just the way they're used to. I tell you what though, users who have had problems with Outlook Express will gladly switch to Thunderbird especially after a corrupt mail store or WAB.

      I've tutored a few of those on the concept of layers with Gimp. Once they get that, they're pretty much set

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    14. Re:Don't even bother... by strider44 · · Score: 1

      We're not trying to pursuade them of the politics of IT. People are naturally suspicious of a free lunch. We're trying to break that suspicion, for this case at least.

    15. Re:Don't even bother... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I had a customer who refused to use anyhtign other then IE. One day when presenting him a bill, I sugested he check out how much IE actualy costs him.

      His responce was it is free. NO it isn't, i explained. You have paid me for a total of 15 hours labor in the last 1-2 years or so to remove spyware and other malware that just doesn't effect the firefox i tried to get you on over a year ago.

      In reality he didn't realize that quite a bit of support costs was because he and other employies were going to websites and installing stuff without paying attention. This is compounded when you realize that employies were sitting there getting paid for doing nothign while waiting for me to remove somethign or because windows slowed to a crawl and they had to reboot every hour or so. After looking at it this way, he decided to give alternatives a try. My business has droped a little from not having to fix spyware issues as much but word of mouth references has more then mad up for the drop in income.

    16. Re:Don't even bother... by the_womble · · Score: 1

      They may not care much about the politics of it but it may be possible, by discussing analogies such as cars to make them more sympathetic towards those who do.

      A lot of people can be made to care about the financial and business implications. Most importantly, and open source vendor can not lock you in to their product and can not force the upgrade cycle.

      Ask a finance person who they think you should cost lock-in when making a purchasing decision. The answer will be that it is impractical, so buying software that might lock you in means committing to an unquantified future cost.

    17. Re:Don't even bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. IE was free. His stupidity cost him 15 hours labor.

      A lesser known browser would fix the easiness of the virus-catching, but the stupidity would still be there, and eventually the virii will return.

      It doesn't take an exploit to click on the "dialer-xxx" program that loves you long time.

    18. Re:Don't even bother... by blackdragon7777 · · Score: 1

      Ok. Create a document that has some vector graphics in it or that has a pdf inside and then open it up in openoffice. All of the nice vector stuff is now rasterized and looks horrible.

    19. Re:Don't even bother... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      if you start pointing out the forced upgrade cycles

      What forced upgrade cycles? My company has a site licence for Office 2000. Several of my clients use Office XP. I've had no problems opening and reading their documents, nor they mine.

      My previous employer sent out a company-wide e-mail stating that we were not to install Office XP on any systems... from MS Developer Network CD's

      Good, because the licence expressly prohibits using any of the included software for anything other than development and testing purposes. If you install Office, any of the OSes, etc for normal, day to day use you are in violation of the licence.

    20. Re:Don't even bother... by crimethinker · · Score: 1
      What forced upgrade cycles? My company has a site licence for Office 2000.

      "Site license" doesn't mean what it used to; in the past it was "thanks for the money, go ahead and install it on every computer your company owns or ever will own." Nowadays, it's "you have permission to install it on 1,000 PC's in your company. Each new PC will cost you an additional $2.50."

      At some point in the future, incremental additions to your site license will not be available. Imagine if your company has standardized on an older OS for which MS no longer wants to sell licenses? In 1996, I was a consultant in the Atlanta, GA area. During one of many searches for a new gig, a colleague told me that a certain large company still used Win 3.1 because the IT department had standardized on it. Were they eventually forced into an upgrade? Youbetcha.

      Good, because the licence expressly prohibits using any of the included software for anything other than development and testing purposes. If you install Office, any of the OSes, etc for normal, day to day use you are in violation of the licence.

      I failed to elaborate in my original post that as part of forbidding desktop installs from MSDN, they explained that the reason was the license restrictions on MSDN; the company hadn't paid for a "desktop" license for Office XP, whether it was your CD from home, or the CD from MSDN.

      -paul

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  9. show them the beauty of open source by 54v4g3 · · Score: 0

    you say these people are techs like yourself?

    Show them the beauty of OSS software ^_^. Find some software that doesn't work they way you'd like (it could be web-based software such as minibb, or desktop-oriented, such as the gameboy advance emulator Visualboy Advance), edit the source code, recompile it [if needed], and then show them the software, changed to fit your needs. You simply can't do that with closed-source software.

  10. There is only one way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Blockquoth conerned.user.question {
    but has anyone come up with or come across a method to introduce it in a quick, fun, and informative way to a wide variety of people each of which possess a even wider range of technical skill? Did I mention it has to be fun?"
    }concerned.user.question

    There is only one way: swear to them that Linux was responsible for the removal of GOATSE!

    Tru that, my gay nigga...tru that. When yoos at the round table of niggas, let them know I can't attend because I'm outa diapers.w
  11. Make it a game for everyone to play... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Why not introduce OpenSource to them by example?

    Example:

    You one person a piece of paper and ask if that person want to type something of interest down on that paper.

    Then you tell him/her to pass the paper along to someone else

    Further - tell everyone that anyone who wants to see whats on that paper can get a copy right away (ok..I hope you have a photocopier standing by)

    Now that everyone has a paper with all these "fun" suggestions or words on the paper introduce to them - the fact that they've just participated in an opensource project.

    By that you can demonstrate the quick evolution process that a developement project can have if willing participants freely participate in an "OpenSource" project.

    That is a dead-giveaway for you to start introducing real world examples of your own (insert long interesting speech here), and will be sure to make your audience listen.

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    1. Re:Make it a game for everyone to play... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      Thats weird. I wonder how "Give" turned into "You"... Someone messing around? Hm?

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  12. Write a story by Locarius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have each person write a paragraph for a story, and allow each other person to edit parts that they feel could use work. Use it as an illustration to show that if people pitch in and contribute ideas to a project work can be fun, and much faster than conventional methods of doing work.

    1. Re:Write a story by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      Be careful with the collaborative activities. Remember, the various developers of the open source community do not always agree. The disagreements themselves can often consume huge amounts of time and effort. While you may want to show that that is part of any group effort, don't let it get too out of hand.

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  13. jesus by Cylix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would shoot myself if I had to do this.

    Prime examples of wasted time at the work place. You know what would make this even worse? Having to do something like this with co-workers you hate. Even so, I think I could make it fun.

    "Today, were going to play some reality television. I want everyone to vote for someone to leave the office. Now, while this isn't indicative of that person losing his or her job... it just might help.

    It's secret ballot... so have at it... I should also mention that not choosing another individual indicates you are not a "Team Player" and will be autmoatically chosen for not submitting a ballot."

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    1. Re:jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can just imagine:
      "Milton, you've been voted out of your cubicle because you're squirrely looking, you mumble a lot, and you listen to the radio too loud."

    2. Re:jesus by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I want everyone to vote for someone to leave the office. Now, while this isn't indicative of that person losing his or her job... it just might help.

      Can I vote for myself?

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    3. Re:jesus by vidnet · · Score: 1

      It's at a reasonable volume!

  14. Emule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Emule http://www.emule-project.net/ is without a doubt one of the most popular open source apps (over 125 million downloads from SourceForge).

    You can teach your coworkers how to acquire pirated software, music, dvds, and ebooks all for free. Certainly a valuable professional skill, especially if one wants to take work home with them.

    And you can't beat the fun! ;-)

  15. Fun and Informative Way to Introduce Open Source? by OctoberSky · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do anything but show them source code.

  16. yeah baby! by dotpavan · · Score: 1

    "open" the source slowly and seductively.. I am definitely having fun! errr and getting info too....

  17. Nethack by overshoot · · Score: 1
    Of course, you provide it on a Knoppix disk.

    From reliable reports, it's epidemically infective in offices that have never encountered it before.

    Sort of like when the Europeans introduced smallpox to the Western Hemisphere, there's no resistance.

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  18. Start off with... by michrech · · Score: 1

    ...something they can take home and run on their computer UNMODIFIED. Mozilla, Firefox, OpenOffice, Gimp, etc.

    Let them decide if they want to trash their existing software in a jump to a full linux machine on their own. If they think they might want to but aren't sure, give them a Knoppix (or similar) CD to play with BEFORE they trash their software.

    It's the forcing them into an all-or-nothing situation that will turn them away from you faster than girls from pocket-protector-wearing, tape on the bridge of the nose support on your glasses geeks. :)

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    1. Re:Start off with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that tape contrasts beautifully against the glasses. It's just a matter of choosing the right color.

  19. The Open CD by Glomek · · Score: 2, Informative

    Give them each a copy of The Open CD. It's got games and screensavers and a bunch of work-friendly Free Software on it too.

    1. Re:The Open CD by intnsred · · Score: 1

      I kind of like that idea -- and if you burn a few of them it'll give them a toy to take home, which would probably be unusual for these types of training sessions.

  20. I know a way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I mention it has to be fun?

    It's called swinging, aka "Open Source IRL."

  21. Black Box by guaigean · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about making a black box that blinks in a certain order known only to you. Let them try and figure out what it does, and see how long it takes. Now open the box and pull out the instructions. Simple.

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    1. Re:Black Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      open the box and pull out the instructions

      Or.. to make it even more realistic, ditch the instructions, open the box and just let them poke around inside until they understand how it works themselves :-)

      Seriously, get one of those old Simon games -- the one that blinks the lights and plays tones at you and you have to repeat the sequence. Open it up and rewire a couple of the lights so the wrong light lights. Give it to them to play. Then let them open it up and see what is wrong or "fix" it.

      Perhaps better, get several of the small versions and rewire them all the same broken way, pass them out and then let the "community" spread the knowledge of what's wrong with them and how to fix them or cope with them.

      Explain the difference between proprietary things and open source ones and how those that understand the innards help those who don't.

  22. LiveCD's by wickedmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about some CD's (or wallet CD's) that have open source software on it. You can get them started with the OpenCD, then Damn Small Linux, then maybe Knoppix. Try demo'ing them.

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  23. Walk into work in a penguin costume and a baseball bat. Then walk around from cube to cube smashing anything MS related chanting screaming "Linus is lord!".

  24. Transverse the alphabet in nonalphabetical order by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    AZBYCXDW...
    ACBDEGFH...
    You can transverse any collection of letters (i.e. sentences, product names) in this manner to memorize them.

    Also take a look at the "Name Game". One thing holding back discovery of good ideas is prejudices like "It's just for young people/people some age younger than 18". It isn't just that the good idea is viewed that way as much as ways of discovering good ideas is thought of that way.

  25. Set up some software that they can play with like by o517375 · · Score: 1

    Lincity on a few linux laptops. I was really addicted to that game for a few weeks. It's better than any game that comes with windows. Install frozen bubble on there too http://www.frozen-bubble.org/

    Set up Xfce with these and other games. Maybe the Gimp. Even Vlc (Videolan) with some porn movies. Hey, I think I have a project for home...

  26. I had this same problem, here's what I had to do: by eldavojohn · · Score: 0

    I had a few friends and coworkers I wanted to turn onto Linux. This entailed creating instructions for them, burning four fedora core or mandrake discs, explaining how to set up a dual boot with several partitions and, in the end, turned out to be more trouble then it was worth. I stopped suggesting it, but it wasn't so long ago that I was a freshman in college and a friend of mine handed me a debian disc....

    I suggest showing them how to edit photos in The Gimp 2.0 in Win32. Or maybe making documents in OO.o in Win32 (there's an easy .exe available). Or perhaps they'd enjoy the simple beauty of emacs...well, maybe you should leave out emacs.

    Maybe you should start with simple tools first like pdfcreator on sourceforge. Or even show them how to use GAIM instead of 3 different IM programs. Maybe let them toy with NASA World Wind?

    Most of these suggestions are just tiny steps, actually running Linux was one of the greatest eye-openers I've ever experienced.

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  27. Collaborative Effort Game by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Play a game where each person contributes their expertise. Tell a collaborative story, or make a drawing on the white-board.

    One person draws something, then each person takes a turn 'fixing it.'

    Or, play a mini-game of "Clue." You come up with something like maybe 'Dumbo.' Then you tell one person to draw an elephant while you give everyone else individual clues as to specifics about what you want this elephant to look like.

    The Clue people tell the elephant person small changes to make for the elephant to look more like it's supposed to. (You can have the clues be images, to more accurately explain what the clue givers are supposed to describe.)

    Okay, so that's nothing like "Clue." The point is, you involve your coworkers in an exercise where they each contribute to help the outcome achieve a more desired shape.

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    1. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by ultramk · · Score: 1

      I guess the problem I see here is that if nothing else, it will highlight the flaws in the process. Committees are extremely bad at some things. For example, almost anything creative.

      One person draws something, then each person takes a turn 'fixing it.'

      Oh, great. Sounds like loads of fun.

      Remember:

      None Of Us Is As Dumb As All Of Us.

      m-

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    2. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then you try to do the same with the whiteboard turned around so that no-one can see what the cow-orker is drawing.. turn the whiteboard around and BAM everyone can see how freakin' insane it is to keep your software proprietary.

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    3. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by houghi · · Score: 2

      Who modded this funny? This is as insightfull as it gets.

      You could even do both at the same time. Both are allowed to ask questions, but the 'market' only sees the Open Source one.

      Now see what result is better. The closed source one will have listend to the market and did what the marked told him to do.

      This must be the easiest way to explain OS I have ever heard. Even if you do not have a whiteboard, explaining this will be very easy for laymen to understand. Thanks for this great idea (or did you patent it?)

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    4. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by mrjb · · Score: 1

      I ork
      you ork
      he/she/it orks
      we ork
      you ork
      they ork

      Moo

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    5. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by Himring · · Score: 1

      cow-orker

      Is that some veiled Tolkien thing?...

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    6. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by mike2R · · Score: 1

      A good example of this is the 'drawing an elephant' example given in this IBM document: pdf

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    7. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      Good idea about the drawing on the whiteboard and having people offer suggestions. Perhaps I can refine the idea a little.

      Lets say you show them the two methods of development as cars that are being offered. You can make this demo a bit more fun with some model cars or Matchbox cars. I would suggest the proprietary model first. Show them a car, and explain that this is the only model of car that is offered by the One Big Company right now. You can start asking around, "What do you need in a vehicle?" Throw out suggestions if necessary like, "Do you need a bigger vehicle to carry your kids? Do you need something with an outside bed to haul dirt or rocks? How about some of you who are looking for a commuter car to get good gas mileage so you're not spending $80 a week to fill up your vehicle?" Now show them a very different vehicle, and explain that it is the new model from the One Big Company. Ask if it effectively addresses everyone's needs. (obviously not) Be sure to mention that the One Big Company immediately stops making the first car because they want everyone to buy their new one.

      Now show (by pulling out a bunch of your small cars) how there are other companies who are making sports cars, commuter cars, luxury cars, minivans, scooters, motorcycles, semi trucks, SUVs, Mini Coopers, limousines, and modified hot rods. Tell them how any of these cars can be had for cheaper than the extremely limited selection from the One Big Company.

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    8. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> cow-orker

      > Is that some veiled Tolkien thing?...

      No. Moo.

    9. Re:Collaborative Effort Game by Intron · · Score: 1

      No. Just someone who orks cows.

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  28. focus on the business/development model by nietsch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my experience, most people have trouble understanding the business model that open source companies make their money off. They will by now have heard something about open source, so they will likely have some preformed opinion on that issue. The most conservative will insist on skewing the licence terms to the company because that how they are used to making money.

    If you figure out a way to get the point across that the different business model you need for open source is not hindering your chances of succes, you will have your 'war' won. You will still have to battle the nah-sayers, but if you can show the money and how it's made, you win.

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  29. Free as in Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yesterday's /. actually answered this question for you - look at the article "Free Beer That's Free as in Speech", and make a catchy presentation about open source that doesn't refer once to software, Mozilla, Linux or any of that nerdy stuff. I'm sure a few references to Bud/VB/Stella or whatever the brew of choice is in your part of the world will do enough to conjure up images of big bad software monopolies versus the equally good open source little guy.

    People understand Beer. Beer is fun. :-)

  30. Fun With Firefox Extensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Introduce the staff to the fun and excitement of installing Firefox and using Extensions. Most of them don't require a great deal of skill and regardless of the industry you work in, many of them can be extremely useful. Adblock is an easy one. Mouse gestures could also be. Show the staff how to navigate the Extensions site and take them through the installation of a few, then encourage them to each go out and find an extension that would help them in their job.

    This has a dual effect. It will increase the number of Firefox installs in your office (which will probably increase your job satisfaction as you decrease the spyware outbreaks you have to deal with) and will do the job of promoting open source software.

  31. Or you could PUT THEM IN A HEADLOCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and say "FREE AS IN FREEDOM, BIATCH!!!!!"

    Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like
    Reason: Don't use so many
    Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like caps. It's like

    1. Re:Or you could PUT THEM IN A HEADLOCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...yelling?

  32. Knoppix by Frank+Dreben · · Score: 2

    Why not use a Knoppix CD to demonstrate Firefox, OpenOffice.org, and Linux? Then give CDs to anyone that wants to play with it. They can try it all with no risk.

  33. LiveCDs + media by Lifewish · · Score: 1

    Given that your audience has a range of technical ability, just showing them software isn't going to cut it. One idea would be to grab a bunch of customised knoppix distros. For example, there's a Linux Audio LiveCD which, if topped up with lots of Creative Commons samples, would probably allow you to have a pretty good attempt at some on-the-spot DJing (disclaimer: I haven't tried the CD, I have no idea if it's any good). I don't know if there's an equivalent for video, but that would also be cool. And, of course, there's always Games Knoppix. Burn a bunch of each type and pile 'em up on the table so people can grab whatever they want on the way out.

    Two important caveats: firstly, make sure the CDs run properly on the demonstration computer - I know that Knoppix has some trouble with my mum's new LCD monitor. Secondly, if you want to demo more than one LiveCD, you'll probably want to have more than one machine rather than waiting for each Knoppix instance to shut down and the next one to boot up.

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  34. firefox by memnon · · Score: 0

    just install firefox on a comp and give to them, show them all the extesions and other good things about it that IE doesnt have, like security. now that doesnt sound like much fun maybe but after using IE for a long time i bet they find it funny

  35. You're welcome to have my machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See if you can get Linux installed on this piece of crap. I've had such bad luck it's ridiculous.
    First the MGA Mystique is never ever ever recognized by the X11 - EVER!!! Oh sure, Knoppix can figure it out, to give me false hope, but then I try installing and nope! Not fedora, not suse, not mandrake, not ubuntu. None of them recognize it.

    So I switch to an ATI card and I get ubuntu installed, but there was some error configuring something and it fails. so i try again and again and again and I give up after the fourth time.

    So I switch back to fedora and it won't recognize my mouse. Now this is a pretty standard simple mouse. But nothing I do can get fedora to see the mouse.

    so I install windows with MGA card - fine. I install windows with the ATI card and the mouse - fine.

    I wipe it all out to try linux - because that's my main goal, and this time I try mandrake and it doesn't see the mouse.

    WTF!!!!!

    I think your office mates would love open source after first trying to install linux on my machine, and then trying to install windows.

    yup. Love it the way I do.

  36. TheOpenCD by Wapiti-eater · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just in case you didn't see it before: TheOpenCD is a project - at least partly - developed with this in mind.

    Chock full of F/OSS software for Windows, it's a great tool to introduce MS entrenched minds to the availability of quality, alternative software.

    http://www.theopencd.org/

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    1. Re:TheOpenCD by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Burn off a bunch of copies, and hand them out while talking about the Free beer/speech concept.

      For anyone who hasn't looked at the Open CD lately, it still has all the OSS for windows goodness it always had, and now it includes Ubuntu live on the same CD with the same apps installed there.

      I was also going to suggest GnuWin as well, but they seem to be in limbo at the moment. Maybe put together your own disk of OSS apps based on their list, which has several good titles that the Open CD doesn't have. The two compliment each other fairly nicely.

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  37. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mozilla, MySQL

    Try getting permission to contribute to one of those "open" projects and see how far you get.

    Why not show them some real OSS? They might not work properly (think GNOME, Linux), but they are open: every idiot who has once written a line of code in GWBasic is allowed to change core functionality.

    Of course, the kernel is deeply broken since 2.6.7 and is only in a working state because Suse fixed the idiots' idiocies, but hey: it's open source.

    Great days we are living in. We are jolly geek giants, we walk the earth, with compilers.

  38. One word... or two by GuitarNeophyte · · Score: 2, Funny

    One phrase. Frozen Bubble.

    Fun, exciting introduction to Open Source.

    But, then again, nobody would have any productivity for the rest of the day.

    Luke
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    1. Re:One word... or two by arodland · · Score: 1

      And probably the most popular game ever to be written in Perl.

    2. Re:One word... or two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      N00b! Prel isteh wurst lgnuge ev4r!!!!1one. forzenbbule would of ben progmed with aumthing moor 1337.

    3. Re:One word... or two by generic-man · · Score: 1

      The most exciting Open Source app is a clone of Puzzle Bobble or Snood? That's not very inspiring.

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    4. Re:One word... or two by TheClam · · Score: 1

      What, you think the Snood idea is original? Please...I agree that it's not really a good example for "Best Game on Linux" or what-have-you but don't think it's the Windows arcade games being cloned.

    5. Re:One word... or two by wirefarm · · Score: 1

      You are evil.
      I have a lot of stuff to do today and now I'm going to be playing that all day... ;-)

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    6. Re:One word... or two by generic-man · · Score: 1

      It isn't. That's why I mentioned Puzzle Bobble before Snood in my post. Snood is basically Puzzle Bobble for Windows with no time limit to fire a bubble at the board. Many people recognize Snood before Puzzle Bobble, though.

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    7. Re:One word... or two by swiggidy · · Score: 1

      So I follow your link to ChristenNerds (hoping it would be funny). What's on the front page; the definition for Uninterrupted Power Supply. The site compares it to the power supply inside the computer, which is completely different. Not correct, and not funny? Extremely disappointed.

  39. Firefox by bahwi · · Score: 1

    Firefox, Greasemonkey, Platypus, BetterSearch to name a few are pretty fun and interesting. RSS Feeds as well can encourage some people(As well as save them time while reading the news during work hours!).

    All I can think of, other than PenguinRacer that is. =)

  40. The egg trick by big.iron.wiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Try to give:
    - 1 pan to each participant;
    - The same number of eggs as participants to one of the participants;
    - Salt to another;
    - Dishes to another; ... and so on, and then ask them to make an omolete by convincing each other to that you pan is better to do the omollete.

    Secretlly promise sushi lunch to one or two of the participants if they get the ommolet on the pan they have.

    After some time reveal you secret agrrement, and ask each participant to give some of the things youo gave them.

    Finnally you will have Open Source lunch;
    - Everyone gave very little, but all gainned.

    or

    "I found it faster to explain the effort of open sourced projects when i show wikipedia,"

    (I am portuguese. If you think my english is bad, try posting in portuguese!)

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    I am portuguese. If you think my written english is bad, try posting in portuguese!
  41. Dunno... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny
    This has a whole "Fisher-Price/Romper Room" stink about it.

    Our Host: Hey, kids! I'm Open Source Bob! Today we're going to have informative fun with the wonder of open source.

    Children: (dead silence)

    OSB: And here to help me is my sidekick, Tickle-Me-Tux, the Linux penguin! Say hello to the children, Tux!

    Tickle-Me-Tux: (takes a draw from cigarette) Hey, kids.

    C: (tepid cheers and puzzled looks.)

    OSB: Where shall we begin today, Tux?

    TMT: (stares at OH while grinding out cig under foot) Look, kids, it's all a lie. Open source is a fun thing, but when you need to get things done in the real word and in mass numbers, just buy a fucking Winblows box and be done with it.

    C: (uncomfortable giggles and a few sobs)

    OSB: Um. Yeah. Well. Tux. You did get the updated script?

    TMT: Script my fuzzy black and white ass. Hey kids, any chance this is a reform school? Any of you got a shiv? How about a nice sharp protractor?

    OSB: Tux!

    TMT: For fuck's sake, I can't go on living this lie, like some sort of craven icon of hope and desperation for the geek set. Hey, you. Fat kid. Would you fall on me? All I want now is the cold, silent, endless sleep of death.

    OSB: That does it, Tux. It's back to the hot box for you. For a month. And you can forget those conjugal visits from Gadget Mouse.

    (OSB grabs Tux and storms from the room)

    TMT: Like I can get it up anymore, you fucking ballsucking cockgobbler. Hey, you in the back, toss me that drain cleaner. Hurry! Dammit! Augh! Someone fucking kill me!

    C: (open bawling from the kids who haven't fled screaming)

    1. Re:Dunno... by taustin · · Score: 1

      To be honest, that would actually be a pretty good presentation. At least at any business meeting I've ever been to.

      At least it would keep them awake.

    2. Re:Dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of "you fucking ballsucking cockgobbler," I think you should have said "you fucking faggot," or better yet, "you fucking n****r-lover" if you're looking for a generic hateful thing to say.

      Note to moderators: Please, no matter how funny/insightful/interesting you think something is, the second you hit yet another one of these adolescent gay bashings on Slashdot, you ought to go straight to -1 Troll.

    3. Re:Dunno... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1
      Who the fuck cares? It was a depressed penguin character. Those things have become generic insults. Don't take it so seriously.

      I knew the stuffed shirt, defenders of the universe, modder downers would come out from under their rocks when this post hit 5.

  42. Bring in a stripper with OSS tatoos by exes · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bring in a stripper with OSS tatoos

    1. Re:Bring in a stripper with OSS tatoos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and lose your job.

  43. SLAX! by pakkman781 · · Score: 1

    SLAX Linux is perfect to start with, Hand out some SLAX Mini-CDs. Have two choices, SLAX KillBill for Intermediate Computer Users, and SLAX Popcorn for Novices. SLAX

  44. Pain vs. Pleasure. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with most open source software are that they are designed to elevate pain from working with closed source software. Open Source doesn't really give a person pleasure, just relief from pain. The trick is to figure out how using open source can actually give pleasure. You need to find tools and applications that actually can give people pleasure.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:Pain vs. Pleasure. by Stauf · · Score: 1

      The problem with most open source software are that they are designed to elevate pain from working with closed source software.

      While this is sometimes true, it often is not. If it were true, every open source package would simply be a clone of some closed source package. Open Source Software is not a reaction to closed source software - OSS is a movement all of its own.

      Describing it as simply a reaction to closed source software really just makes it sound like a bunch of cheap and uppity developers one day got sick of pirating their software, so built their own. Does that make it sound like these are competant developers? No, it makes them sound arrogant and juvenile. It makes it sound like they can't deal with the way things work in the 'real world'.

  45. Introduce it like this: by lightyear4 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Make a list of popular, successful Open Source programs. For example:
    • Firefox (thunderbird, mozilla, etc)
    • Gaim
    • Open Office
    • (insert the best of whatever slashdotters suggest here)

    Give a brief synopsis on each of them, and then ask how many of your colleagues have heard of one or more. Then throw a curve: Continue speaking, and itemize the cost per program by comparing with other examples of such software. (i.e. the latest edition of MS Office retails for almost a grand). Now say: "These programs and their alternatives are compatible, deployed in many hundreds of companies and countries. They have a loyal user base, are easy to use, and are well known for their professional quality. ..The difference between these and their alternatives is simple. These are free."

    1. Re:Introduce it like this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, yeah. That sounds really fun, doesn't it?

  46. Introduce them to Wikipedia by robert+bitchin' · · Score: 1

    Everyone is an expert on something..even, non-professional things like food or recreation. Dig up info on the most opinionated people in your office, divine their opinions..and then see what Wikipedians have had to say about them. Chances are they'll disagree somewhat and want to correct it on the spot. The 'gee whiz' factor should make converts of some of them.

  47. Whip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    out an AK-47 and make everyone pay. Then as the cops kill your ass make sure you're wearing your Open Source T-shirt so that the news helicopters can get a good view. That should be fun to watch.

  48. What do you work at Initech? by jinzumkei · · Score: 1

    sorry, this whole "Fun with co-workers" seems a little Office Space to me :)

    "And remember Friday is Hawaiian shirt day! So If you want go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans."

    1. Re:What do you work at Initech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you do realize that the movie office space is a pretty realistic view of coporate america dont you?

      or did you think we all sit around playing with nerf guns and filling peoples cubicles with packing foam...

  49. Show them the command-line by __aahsof7392 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kill all of your processes.
    $ ps -ef|awk '{print $2}'|xargs kill

    Edit a file and delete the first and last line.
    $ vi
    1GddGdd:wq!

    Find out what's filling up your home directory.
    $ du -k|sort -rn|head

    Who has access to the computer?
    # cat /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f1,3

    Add commas to numerical strings
    sed -e :a -e 's/\(.*[0-9]\)\([0-9]\{3\}\)/\1,\2/;ta'

    1. Re:Show them the command-line by isorox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny? Seriously, I've used pretty much the exact lines showing unix to some collegues. It puts them off for life, meaning I get more job security :)

    2. Re:Show them the command-line by FrankDrebin · · Score: 1

      Play a DVD from any world region.
      $ mplayer dvd://1

      --
      Anybody want a peanut?
  50. Call someone's cel from your laptop thru Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install Asterisk on your laptop and spend a few bucks on a Voice-over-IP Service Provider for termination (to make outbound calls), then fire up a softphone on your laptop and call someone on their cel in the meeting.

    Cheers

  51. Three words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free Software Song!

  52. Post copies of the GPL and pix of RMS in all cubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That will endear you to your friends and cow-orkers.

  53. For example... by Decameron81 · · Score: 1

    Tell them that it's immoral to develop close sourced programs.

    Then tell them that if they use close sourced programs they become immoral too.

    Then tell them that immoral people go to hell.

    And if that doesn't work, turn off the light, light your face with a torch and repeat. It may help to change the tone of your voice accordingly.

    --
    diegoT
  54. Obviously... by Lost+Found · · Score: 1

    ...the best fun and informative way to introduce Open Source is to order a bunch of free Ubuntu CDs, and use them to play a massive game of office frisbee.

  55. Or... by hobbesx · · Score: 1

    You could make up some sort of presentation with some sort of animated character...

    Let's see, you'd want him to be something everyone in the office was familiar with, say a paperclip or something...

    --
    This rating is Unfair ( ) ( ) Fair (*) Funny
    Sigh... If only. Modding would be so much more fun.
  56. Myth TV Setup by a3217055 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try setting up a myth tv box it is pretty cool what Myth can do. Lot of youngsters and adults would like. It can be a commmunity project.

    Get a normal ariel antenna, get a tv card ( get the one that works please no tv card hackin ) and a box that can hold all that stuff and an nvidia gfx card. Put it together. Tell people why you have the hardware you have.
    Get a good guide, and start getting the parts of mythtv installed. Make small groups and make everyone install a small portion. The zap2it direcotry services. One group does the mytht tv config, one group does the themes etc....

    End result you will have people doign the samething at home. Sure Linux is free, only if your time is free. And if you get a community and each individual gives a small bit and talks what they have done then, you get a pretty fast application turn around. And mythtv is easy. Tiedious but with good instructions you got MythTV box ready to blow away the TiVo and that VCR.

    PS nothing against Gentoo but please no gentoo distro because the time required to install would be too great. And yes Distcc is great but it doesn't work all the time etc... This is educational so use a binary disribution. Afterwards you will be set. Men will want to be you and women will want you and children will make you their idols. And slashdot users will slashdot your webpage.

    Mythtv is fun try it :). Big project and each person can do a small bit. Lot of small parts but with enough guidance people can get all of it to work together.

    1. Re:Myth TV Setup by L.Bob.Rife · · Score: 1

      I dont know how happy the boss would be that you made the whole office collaborate on a machine that encourages the workers to sit around watching TV.

  57. keyword: refreshments! by 10am-bedtime · · Score: 1

    presuming such a topic as beer is not going to get you fired, you could get them into the hacking mode w/ a little bit of "spirited" (yuk yuk, i slay me) fun.

    the best way to teach is to do, the best way to do is to not fear failure, the best way to not fear failure is to use failure to learn, the best way to learn is up to each person to find. so, don't worry if no one groks your presentation. w/ some luck there will be a bite, if not sooner, then perhaps later.

  58. ...or Wiki in general by Em+Ellel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is a difference between introducing them to OSS software (i.e. using oss software instead of closed source) and understanding the concept and usefullnes of open colaboration. If your goal is latter, introduce them to Wikipedia, and then set up a Wiki instance on the intranet for colaborative information storage. Show them the basic concept of Wiki and, set some loose goals for what sort of data you would want to share, and then set them loose on it for a few weeks. I think it is probably the best way to show what OSS is capable of - as well as showing the benefits (and pitfalls!) of open cooperation.

    -Em

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    RelevantElephants: A Somatic WebComic...
    1. Re:...or Wiki in general by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1
      If your goal is latter, introduce them to Wikipedia, and then set up a Wiki instance on the intranet for colaborative information storage.

      Oh hell. Why even bother with that intranet stuff? Just start putting out a bunch of real Wiki nodes with names like SecretProject that links to more pages. That way we can all observe and see what they're doing and offer helpful edits!

      Even better, show them the real joys of Wikipedia by having them edit pages, seeing how their content comes back after they do so. And then, when they go home and try to show to their spouse/roommate/pet rhinocerous their scintilating comment: "Elvis suckz bAllz", posted on the main Elvis Presley page, you can get their call and try to explain to them why it isn't there any longer.

      --
      That is all.
    2. Re:...or Wiki in general by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Adrian, you'll have less of a problem with fishy cunt smell if you duche with Coke-A-Cola.

    3. Re:...or Wiki in general by stivi · · Score: 1
      ...understanding the concept and usefullnes of open colaboration

      Well, this is the biggest problem. While your idea is great, I have to, unfortunately, disappoint you. You are too wise and you are too far away from "standard employee's/person's" way of thinking. The Wiki does not work so simply. I have tried it (in a quite large company), so I know what I am talking about.

      If only people wanted to colaborate, it would be much easier, but they do not see any benefints of it. Why? Simply they expect immediate pay-off from their contributions. For me and you, it is obvious, that that they will not get it until the collaboration produces critical amount of results. They give up long before that, and they stop collaborating.

      I am afraid, that before people will understand benefits of collaboration and synergy, they will not understand benefits of Open Source (or more generic "open idea designs").

      Yes, Wiki can help, however you have to overcome that great barier in people's minds and make them contribute. And it is sad that I have to say, that the best way how to make them contribute is to force them by order of a superor. If you have a better way, let me know...

      Conclusion? Before one starts explaining Open Soruce, he has to make sure that the listener understands collaboration. There are not so many who do.

      --
      First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    4. Re:...or Wiki in general by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

      Well, this is the biggest problem. While your idea is great, I have to, unfortunately, disappoint you. You are too wise and you are too far away from "standard employee's/person's" way of thinking. The Wiki does not work so simply. I have tried it (in a quite large company), so I know what I am talking about.

      Well, you may be right about "standard employees". I am used to small groups of fairly bright people. I have recently implemented a TWiki intranet server in our place and after a few weeks of complaining about the "anarchy of wiki" and some getting used to it, people have accepted it. At this point I would probably get lynched if I took the Wiki server down - too much usefull info, people rely on it too much

      -Em

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      RelevantElephants: A Somatic WebComic...
  59. Why Not Show them examples they can use at home? by ZOverLord · · Score: 1

    A GREAT example would be show them Open Office: http://openoffice.org/ ask and tell them they can install this on their systems at home, to communicate with work as well. It shows them just how much money they can save using open source concepts and also saves them a ton of money instead of them needing to purchase a version of Microsoft Office form their home systems and at their cost. You could also explain, that unlike Microsoft Office, when a bug is found in this software because you have he source, you can fix it, instead of waiting for patches from Microsoft. Heck, if you can convince your office to use it, you just might save the company a TON of money as well ;-)

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  60. your job sounds gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  61. Recipe swap? by Noctrnl · · Score: 1

    Why not have everyone take 2 pieces of paper and write down the dish they make the best on one, and the ingredients on another. Have each person hand in the dish name, but not the recipe. Then, read off all the names of the [some no doubt very exotic] dishes. Then, after you're done, take a poll and find out how many people would like the recipe to them. Tell them they can't have it. Then, equate that to closed source software. Pick one or two and give the ingredient list out. Tell them that's what OSS is like.

    Just something that came to mind off the top of my head, and something most people can participate in. :) If people don't have a dish they make, or a recipe, just have them pick their favorite and have them imagine if anyone could make it just the way they like it!

    My $0.02 might be worth slightly less, but at least I tried!

  62. Two Word Answer: "Briefing Puppets" by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 3, Funny


    Yep. Seriously.


    They're fun to make and great fun in those long, boring staff meetings.

    Just decorate old tube socks (Puh-leeese wash them first) or paper lunch sacks with bits of brightly colored felt and pipe cleaners. Use Dilbert comic strips for subject matter inspiration if you lack creativity in this area.

    Once complete, break out your favorite Monty Python sketch recital voices and brief your audience's pants off!



    P.S. If you get fired, I NEVER POSTED THIS and YOU DIDN'T READ IT!



    Now, where did I leave those Meds.....

    --
    "A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
    GeneralEmergency
  63. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, "open source" is an anagram for "once poseur", invented by SCO-executive and Linux-inventor Darl McBride to characterize the unsocial and immature attitude of software thieves Linx Torfland, Robert Stallmayr and Eric Sigourney Gaymond.

  64. examples you could use... by kuom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One example I've found to be rather effective is compare it to medicine or food recipes. Ask them if they would buy a medicine that does not list the ingredients (hopefully most would answer 'no'). Then compare that to software that don't tell you what's in it. Not a perfect comparison, but I find this to be a good introduction for most non-technical people. A slightly better example might be to compare it to cars. Take Linux for example, when you buy a Linux-powered car, you have the permission to open up the hood, take the engine apart, fix it, enhance it, tweak it, and share your improvements with the other linux-car owners, thus making their cars better too. Compare this to a Microsoft car, where opening your hood will void the warranty.

    1. Re:examples you could use... by Shulai · · Score: 1

      Cook recipes are one of the favorite RMS's examples. Also he told about sex advices, of course, you maybe cannot use that without disturbing some people.
      If possible, try to get a record of RMS a speech about Open Source. I heard him live in a Linux event and was very funny. It could give you some ideas, providing you mention your sources ;-)

    2. Re:examples you could use... by allanw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You don't get a warranty with Linux in the first place.

    3. Re:examples you could use... by millette · · Score: 1

      Yup, Stallman was in Montreal three weeks ago giving his talk on Copyright vs Communities and mentionned the recipe analogy. There are audio recordings available in speex but it's mostly in french, see Copyright 2005 recordings to download.

    4. Re:examples you could use... by Romeozulu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>you have the permission to open up the hood

      No, you're *required* to. It's what separates tools from hobbies. Most people want the computer to be a tool. All they want to think about is the task they want to solve, and that does not involve messing with the computer.

      I want my car to get me to work and to the store with the least bit of my involvement. Most people want that of their computer as well.

    5. Re:examples you could use... by baxissimo · · Score: 2

      I don't know about you, but I eat stuff all the time that doesn't have ingredients listed. And odd thing is, the more I pay, usually the less they're willing to tell me about the recipe.

      Medicine is a good analogy. But then again most software isn't life and death. So there isn't as compelling a reason why the "ingredients" should be listed on software.

      Then there's the old car analogy which is becoming less and less apt by the year. "Would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?" Even if you don't know how to fix it, don't you like knowing that you can take it to whoever you want to get it fixed? Sure, but these days, more and more functionality is sealed inside the car's embedded computer running its closed source code, and even your mechanic just has to shrug and send it to the dealer for fixing. So, sadly, it matters less and less that we can get under the hood of our cars.

    6. Re:examples you could use... by Lillesvin · · Score: 1

      Or download a copy of his Free Software Song - if nothing else it'll definitely make them laugh. :-)

      --
      "Live free or don't."
    7. Re:examples you could use... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Umm, not your not. At least not anymore then in windows.

      Every office enviroment i have seen has someoen that set up the computers and works on them. Wether or not this is johny good wrench in the corner office or an actualy it staff or even a local repair shop the employies don't generaly have to do anyhtign other then reboot the computer.

      This holds true for linux and any other opensource software. As a matter of reality i generaly prefere to install linux for novice users who don't need a particular windows only program to run. Once it is set up, it just works for what they do. There is no reason for this to be any different in an office enviroemnt. The programs the user needs will be installed and the computer will work.

      What you trying to get at is either you install some outdated distribution and had problems or you got brand new blazing top of the scale first generation hardware and didn't have any driver support. Or maybe you have installed every server componant under the install menu and realize that you have to spend some time figuring out what it does and howe to turn it on.

      This also doesn't happen in office enviroments. Anyone that installs the latest greatest anyhting without a direct need in an office enviroment is just waisting money. Once a generation has passed the drivers are stable and most OSS distro's will have picked up support for it. This falls true for windows too. Too many time have i got the latest greates device only to find it flaky untill the next set of drivers are availible.

      You car analogy would be better suite to be stated like this. I want my car to get me to work with the least bit of involvment but when i try to take it to the drag races i understand i might have to spend some time under the hood making it ready. Even if you could buy a car ready for the drag strip, It would still be in the same spirit of an office system because some designated indevidual set it up before it was placed into production.

      The office that gives a user a computer and says here install the operating system, configure the network, and install all the games/programs you think you need is asking for trouble. This is why they have people do it for them. There is no difference between having someone install windows and office and setting up email and internet access and someoen doing the same for linux or some mac enviroment. Once these are set up, in either situation, the computer then becomes a tool. If you don't know how to do it efficiently, someone else does.

    8. Re:examples you could use... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't get a warranty with Linux in the first place.

      Why is this insightful?

      Apple
      You expressly acknowledge and agree that use of the Apple Software is at your sole risk. The Apple Software is provided "AS IS" and without warranty of any kind

      Microsoft:
      In no event shall microsoft or its suppliers be liable for any special, incidental, punitive, indirect, or consequential damages whatsoever (including, but not limited to, damages for loss of profits or confidential or other information, for business interruption, for personal injury, for loss of privacy, for failure to meet any duty including of good faith or of reasonable care, for negligence, and for any other pecuniary or other loss whatsoever) arising out of or in any way related to the use of or inability to use the product,

      Nobody is required to give warranties on consumer OS or software. It's one of the reasons why there's so much crap out there

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    9. Re:examples you could use... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You don't get one with windows either. What is the point here?

      Ahh maybe you mean you don't get support with linux, well yes you do. RedHat has been offering official support for quite a while now. So has SuSE and a couple of others. If you buy your windows machine preinstalled you don't get support form microsoft and the vendor usualy tell you to just stick the reload cd in and reboot. So you decid eto buy a brand new windows (XP) upgrade, ther has to be support there. Sure, you get 2 free calls then you pay and after 90 days i believe, thats gone, you do however get unlimited instalation support for your upgrade. But what about microsoft support website you might ask, how is that any different then and linux flavors support site?

      I'm not exactly sure if you weren't aware of how this works or if your just spouting some fud. I see someone has already moded you insightfull wich i guess wouold be somewhat acurate if windows did give some warranty. This is like saying if you drive a particular car(say ford explorer) off the cliff you will die when in fact if you drive any car off the same cliff you are just as likley to die. It apears to be just enough information to be acurate but misleading.

    10. Re:examples you could use... by __aadhrk6380 · · Score: 2, Funny

      (With tongue in cheek):

      Present them with a freshly installed linux box running the distro of your choice, sans web browser. Then, tell them that they can open a terminal window and surf the web by simply typing "lynx" at the command prompt.

      When they start asking questions about the text only browser, stare at them like they are idiots and chant "man lynx" like it will make a difference.

    11. Re:examples you could use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it isn't life and death. but is money, which is more important.

    12. Re:examples you could use... by Transmogrify_UK · · Score: 1

      Your car metaphor is a rubbish one. Name one car manufacturer that voids the warranty when you open the hood? How would you put oil in it for starters?

    13. Re:examples you could use... by sionki · · Score: 1

      I would suggest you try downloading Linux again. I have found it to be about the same amount of effort to load Linux on a machine as I would do for Windows and I have every tool I would need in one shot. I don't have to load Office and a Firewall software, ect.. They are just there and the main stuff works from the start. If you want to do more than cruise the internet or work on your documents you'll need to tweak it a bit but that is no different than Windows.

    14. Re:examples you could use... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to be rude, but your post was so badly written that I didn't understand some parts of it, even though I really tried.

    15. Re:examples you could use... by mindaktiviti · · Score: 2, Funny
      Compare this to a Microsoft car, where opening your hood will land them in jail.

      No need for thanks, to help is what I'm here for.

      You've also seemed to have omitted the following:

      Furthermore while you're driving your windshield is completely covered with advertisements (i.e. spyware), and when you get into a fatal accident due to these adverts, clippy finally pops out while your brains are oozing out of your head and he asks "It seems you've been in a near-fatal car accident and are unable to move while you barely cling on to your life, click OK to dispatch an ambulance.

    16. Re:examples you could use... by mrogers · · Score: 1

      Ingredients: useful features 10%, developers' pet features 10%, marketing-inspired features 17%, bugs 19% (approx.), legacy code that makes no sense but breaks things if we remove it 28%, documentation 24% (of which useful documentation 3%). Warning: may contain traces of Knuth.

    17. Re:examples you could use... by harrkev · · Score: 1

      You DO get a warranty with Windows. If the CD is defective, they will happily mail you a new one. And I bet that they would probably only charge $10 shipping and handling, too!

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    18. Re:examples you could use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the car example holds true:

      1. It's probably only a small, niche portion of the population that interested in being a back-yard mechanic just like there's only so many people that would actually be interested in tinkering with their OS.

      2. I'm not sure if you've owned a new vehicle recently, but making modifications to the engine (other than manufacturer authorized mods) is definitely going to void your warranty.

    19. Re:examples you could use... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      And if you buy a linux cd, the same goes. were is the difference? ahh there is no difference because thewarenty is on the media and the choice of media you get. BTW, try gettign a cd replaced on a dell or hp that doesn't even come with one. Better yet try getting the cd replaced after the frive expores and the "computer" is out of warrenty.

      There is no specific warrenty that windows has and linux doesn't have availible. This is another comment that is trying to spread some fud. If an imaginary warrenty advantage is all windows has going for it, i suspect they won't maintain a lead long.

    20. Re:examples you could use... by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Whoosh.. the sound of the joke going right over your head...

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    21. Re:examples you could use... by Romeozulu · · Score: 1

      I suggest you sit down next to a non-nerd user and watch them download and install Linux. You can't help them, you just watch them.

      Problem #1. Downloading Linux...really.

    22. Re:examples you could use... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Yes i missed the joke.

      At the expense of others though, this joke is misunderstood by the masses who just understand the fud. Now that i know it was more or less an inside joke, I can see the humor in it. Maybe my reaction would have been different if i heard it in another way.

    23. Re:examples you could use... by gowen · · Score: 1
      Downloading Linux...really.
      Easier than downloading Windows...really.
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  65. Scavenger hunt! by KhaymanUCSD · · Score: 1

    Every time I try to talk open source to non-technical folks their eyes glaze over real fast. So don't get too technical. If you just want to introduce the idea that, hey... there might be other alternatives out there divide the group in half. Give each "team" a laptop. One should have a copy of MS Encarta on it (they were giving it away with every OEM for a while, shouldn't be too hard to scrounge one up). Set the other up with a web browser with Wikipedia as their home page. Then have an information scavenger hunt with a prize to whichever team can find all the answers to a series of questions using their particular tool the fastest. Then do a little 5-minute talk about the differences (Wikis being community developed, etc...).

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  66. Free Beer! by HermanAB · · Score: 1

    What can be easier, more informative and more fun than free beer?

    It is guaranteed to enhance the team spirit(s) and after a while, you may even be able to convince one or two of them to boot Knoppix or Puppy Linux and try it... hic...

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  67. You've picked quite a challenge by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

    If you're trying to demonstrate the advantages of OSS over the rest to the ordinary office person, you've picked a challenge. The benefit of OSS is that anyone can examine and alter the source. The traditional OSS development model also builds a community of people who develop and share ideas related to that source.

    Your challenge is to make looking at source code and changing it fun for people who may not nessecarily have the skills to do so. It may very well be that although OSS is beneficial to a company, it is not of direct use to many of the people you serve. Several people have suggested FrozenBubble, but in as much as you demonstrate Open Source principles, you might as well have used Snood.

    Whatever you do, there should be a take-away that the accountants and everyone else you assist can observe in action in your demo. Perhaps you can intro a game, ask for some quick suggested changes, and introduce them into the game. If you can't, then you're just highlighting that your company isn't capable of utilizing OSS to its full capacity.

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  68. Re:Why Not Show them examples they can use at home by ZOverLord · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the Typos, but I think you get my point

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  69. Legos and CD's by vinn · · Score: 1

    Along similar lines to some things mentioned..

    Bring a tub of legos. Not the fancy stuff, just simple rectangular blocks. Before the presentation, prep the foundation of a house using the blocks. Then during the presentation, pass the house around with the tub of blocks and ask everyone to add something to it until you have a simple house-like structure.

    When you're done, point out that everyone working together can produce something. Usually it takes someone with some inspiration to start it. The community built the rest. When you're done, you can clearly see the work involved. Someone else could look at it and make a copy or disassemble it to see the individual blocks that make it up.

    That's source code.

    While you're passing around the legos, show >> EYE CANDY . Show some awesome 3D stuff, show a web browser, OpenOffice, Word running under Wine, etc. All the common stuff they would expect a computer to be. (DON'T SHOW SOURCE CODE - EYES WILL GLAZE OVER.)

    Bonus points for showing off the corporate Intranet. The big challenge is always breaking the mindset of, "Open source is great, but it can't work here."

    Playing with legos is fun.

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    1. Re:Legos and CD's by vinn · · Score: 1

      I meant to add, bring some CD's with a bootable distro to take home. Maybe someone will actually try it out! The revolution is proceeding on schedule.

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  70. Use "utilities" and entertainment software first. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Scrap the meeting, leave that for the end.

    In the course of the month, introduce people to some cool software that also include their source code.

    Some of it could be, for example, Firefox :) You can say: "Use this when browsing the web for non-office uses", then show it off like the plugin capabilities, etc.

    For peer to peer downloads, recommend shareaza 2.1 (it's free of spyware!)

    You could ALSO use freeware (but not open source), like CDBurnerXP Pro or IrfanView for image editing. Earn your reputation as the "free software guy".

    Then people will begin to ask you about free software that fits certain needs. So, when you get 10 or 15 people asking you for stuff, you could say: "Hey, remember this or that software? Well, guess what, they have their sourcecode published!"

    Also, you could install OpenOffice on YOUR MACHINE and begin using it and showing it off in front of your friends. Then they'll ask you: "It's free? And they release the sourcecode?!?!?"

    THEN you could offer to talk to them about this new "open source" philosophy in the next meeting.

  71. Open Hand Game by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Try playing a few hands of poker, 5 card draw - just to warm up, get a sense of the game. Everyone plays against each other, against the dealer too. Tell them "that's closed source".

    Then make everyone but the dealer play 5 card stud - the dealer continues to play 5 card draw - and everyone plays against the dealer, blackjack style. Tell them "that's open source, in a closed source world".

    Then switch to everyone, including the dealer, playing 5 card stud, but with all cards showing, and everyone against the dealer. And let everyone draw a card either from the (facedown) deck, or from any hand, including the dealer. Tell them "that's an open source world".

    Lean back and collect the pot.

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    1. Re:Open Hand Game by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I note that the "fortune" at the bottom of the page in which I'm submitting this comment says "One good suit is worth a thousand resumes.". Maybe there's a career in this, if you play your cards right.

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  72. Open Source Cartooning by tverbeek · · Score: 1
    Something I like to do with my cartooning friends is something you could (with some fudging of definitions) call "open source comics". One person draws a panel, then passes it on to the next, who draws another, and so on. At the end, you usually have something far funnier than any one person could have come up with in the same amount of time.

    Of course not everyone's comfortable with the process of sequential-art storytelling, so maybe instead you could produce an "open source" drawing of a beach scene, or the company cube farm, or whatever. To increase the parallel to open-source development, do it on a dry-erase board, and give everyone an eraser and pen, so they can modify each other's work. If you're lucky, you'll get some people contributing rough ideas (the owner of the company being crushed by a piano), others improving on that (changing the piano into a giant stapler), and still others tweaking things with finishing touches (e.g. adding the word "Swingline" to the stapler or coloring it red), and the "I can't code^H^H^H^Hdraw" folks adding word balloons ("We need to talk about your TPS reports!"). Then at the end, take a digital photo of the result, and make copies (either on paper or distributed by e-mail) for everyone to take with them and fork to their heart's content.

    Of course this demo depends on people playing nice (i.e. no Wikipedia-style vandalism), and it'd probably help to stack the deck a little with some people you know will fill some of these roles. But it illustrates the whole concept of open source in terms that non-geeks should grok.

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  73. -1, offtopic by Krunch · · Score: 4, Informative

    ET is not Free/Open source. However there are tons of fun Open Source multiplayer games that you can use.

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    1. Re:-1, offtopic by Mad_Rain · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're talking about when you say ET is not free... From the Official Web Page (sorry, it is Flash-based), to the FAQ at the previously mentioned 4players site; It's free to download and play. Modding of the game is encouraged, and there are several mods, maps and skins for it. Getting ahold of the code for the game is possible, for the purposes of making mods.

      However, since it uses the Quake 3 engine, it may not be as free as you'd like it to be. (I'm not sure whether the source code for that is out there and available now - but given iD's past releases of the Quake and Quake 2 engines, it will be soon). Feel free to pick some nits about the definition of the word "free".

      Thanks for pointing out the other games as well though, the more the merrier.

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    2. Re:-1, offtopic by Christopheles · · Score: 1

      Contrary to the original post, ET, though a good game is not Open Source, and as the grand parent stated (albeit in a confusing manner), it is also not "Free Software". It is, however, available for zero cost. You may download it from Splashdamage, id software, or probably 3dgamers. There are some pretty good mods for it as well, since it is basically a free Quake 3 engine that anyone can use.

    3. Re:-1, offtopic by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      Ignoring whether it's true, you surely mean "incorrect" not "offtopic". The latter does not imply the former, and vice versa.

  74. Start off with a contest by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dig an old PC out of storage, like maybe something around a P500. Install Linux. Install OpenOffice and Firefox.

    Start your activity by having everyone use the PC for a bit, then have them try to guess the MHz of the machine.

    Give the winner the PC. Give everyone who attends a copy of TheOpenCD.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:Start off with a contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno. What about the desktop environment? Sure, you can run these programs under some super light window manager like fvwm, but you'd likely be showing a potential convert something a bit heftier and full-featured like Gnome or KDE. And, for various reasons, Gnome and KDE will probably be slower than Windows XP on the same computer. Now, it's not a big deal. I use Linux and prefer it, but I don't do it for the nonexistent speed increase.

  75. A fun way by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

    Why, there is no more fun a way than teaching them to compile a linux kernel! Just give them a copy of the sources and off they go! It's quick, fun and most importantly easy. If they can't handle it, your co-workers are probably retarded and you should find another job.

  76. Just say save money.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you have to do is mention the potential costs savings. Being a business owner nothing is more fun than cost savings.

  77. The open sourced frog by big.iron.wiz · · Score: 1

    It's a Open Source show and tell, not a linux install party.

    Do a cartoon:
    "For my show and tell i bring to you a dissected frog, my version of closed source pet after some messing around with no instructions in how to adapt the pet to my needs.

    This is not a Open Sourced Pet, so i have no license to chnage it.

    Since the lincense is propriatary, i can't do the changes to upgrade im into a flying pet and catch more flies."

    (I am portuguese. If you think i write bad, try posting in portuguese!)

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  78. games by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

    Theres a lot of open source games, get them into one of them then get some guys to add some new content and such.

    You then explain how OSS works and if any of them make any content (maybe even some new clothes in a game or whatever). Explain how they are now "part of the system" and they should spread stuff on and such, so then everyone benefits and gets a better game because everyone shares.

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  79. Legos & Wikis' by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 1

    How about legos? Provide a general 'concept' of an object you want people to build. Let teams of people build what they think matches the concept best. Share all of the results as a group, then choose the best one out of the several made. Then take this one and extend and improve it as a group.

    Another approach would be to start with a 'base' for a particular object, then pass it around the room and have people 'extend' it. You could be the project 'mantainer' and decide if a persons 'extensions' really improve the object or not.

    I think this would show the benefit of FOSS pretty well. With proprietary system you don't get the 'blocks' to rearrange things and make improvements. You also don't get the benefit of collaborative effort guided by some general leadership.

    Perhaps another idea is to introduce WikiWkiWebs, and how they are constantly improved because everyone can change them.

  80. It's fun! by pegasustonans · · Score: 2, Funny

    Every time you have to enter the root password, take a shot. Every time someone says, "That's really neat," take a shot. Every time someone says something starting with, "But [MS] Office lets me," take a shot. Every time someone says, "I don't like this commie crap," beat them with a chair.

    You'll be having lots of fun in no time!

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  81. Re:Most fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where would I find one of those? I thought BSD was dead.

  82. Let's play .. "help your neighbor"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    To play this fun game, you need the following items:

    * one Windows XP disk
    * one Linux disk
    * one FreeBSD disk
    * one telephone
    * computer (any OS) with a few CD burners

    Have the group divide into pairs. Call them "departments". One pair can be "accounts receivable", the other "human resources", and "I.T.". Yay!

    Now, give a short presentation on the GPL, the BSD license, and the Microsoft EULA. Have each "department" pick one of the three OS CDs to run their department.

    Then burn a copy of each team's choice onto a fresh CD. Hand it to the team.

    Then, use the phone to call the BSA and BUST THE ASSES of those fuckers that PIRATED WINDOWS XP!! YEAH!!!!

    As they are dragged kicking and screaming by the men in the flack jackets, remind them of your presentation on the GPL and BSD licenses, and why they are stupid.

    After they are gone, fire them.

    WASN'T THAT FUN??? YAY!!!

  83. Ask them what they want. by PengoNet · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well I have moderator points that are about to expire so I thought here's an easy discussion to mod a few people up for. Unfortuntely the best reply so far compared the whole thing to Romper Room and I really hate funny replies.
    Our Host: Hey, kids! I'm Open Source Bob! Today we're going to have informative fun with the wonder of open source.
    Children: (dead silence)
    Now first off you're asking the wrong crowd. You already know about open source, and therefore you are, what they call in the field of education, a Subject Matter Expert (SME). Yes, educators have lots of stupid acroynms just like geeks do. Now who do you ask for advice on giving a presentation? more SMEs! no. you should be asking trained educator and facilitators. But no matter. I've dipped my toe in the training field so I'll lend a hand (or attempt a crappy reply like everyone else at least).

    Secondly, don't give them this: WikiReader on Free Software unless you want to confuse and bore them with a Stallmanesque view of open sour--, er, --Free Software. [sorry, obligatory wikipedia link, even if it is really bad]

    Briefly talk about some open source projects and licensing (e.g. Firefox, Knoppix, GPL).

    Come up with a stupid focus question like "What would it take for this company to open source its in-house accounts program if you were X" where X is a different role assigned to each person. Get them to break up into groups and discuss it. Bring them back together after 5 minutes to talk about it. Field some questions because no one understood what they were meant to be doing. Now find out what they're actually interested in about it and try to answer. Then play the omlette game that someone else suggested but make sure no one's vegan, and make sure you use free range eggs--think about those poor little chickens in cages. Hand out free copies of Knoppix "for when your home computer/laptop stops working, just stick this in and use it instead of Windows" and force migrate everyone to use Firefox at work. Voila. Great presentation, John.

    But seriously,

    Try checking out some actual activism/training sites, such as the change agency (some people who do know how to facilitate a training session) or TFC or this one.
    1. Re:Ask them what they want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excellent post.

      this a bookmark.

      thanks!

  84. Do a quick role play. by holy+zarquon's+singi · · Score: 1
    Something like:

    Manager[M]: We need this new piece of sofware that does [something open source does well like simple database server or intranet.]
    Nerd[N = you]: Well here are the alternatives [list alternatives]. This one's made by [propietary], this one's open source.
    M: How much will they cost
    N: Well for the propietary one, we need to buy a server, the licence for the server and the licence for the software and time to set it up and probably a new pc. So it will cost around about [amount]. For the open source one, we pull a redundant computer from store, install an easy to install version of linux [debian,ubuntu,knoppix etc - I did a clean install of debian the other day in about 20 minutes], install the server software at no charge except time and then there's the software setup time, so that will cost about [amount]. A difference of [amount]
    M: But there must be a catch?
    N: Yes, there are some gotchas with open source [examples], but there are gotchas for prop software too [examples]. It's not just servers you know. Pull out a quick [creative commons licenced] powerpoint/whatever presentation out about open source and present it on your linux laptop about open source software products for servers and desktops using open office or a full screen pdf viewer.

    Voila.

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  86. A Software Program Is Just Another Hammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non-IT people start a software program with the same attitude that a skilled carpenter has when he picks up a hammer, or even a power nailer. They are thinking about the job, and don't want to have to think about the tool. You need to convince people that whatever open source tool you recommend is going to allow them to think about the job more and the tool less, and take them less time and require less effort than the proprietary counterpart. To get them to change, you, not your co-workers, but you simply must think in these terms, and be able to present software tools that meet these terms.

    Microsoft Office versus OpenOffice is probably the worst one to start with because of the complexity of full-fledged word processors and spreadsheets. There is also the "baby duckling" syndrome - a baby duck fixes on the first thing it sees as it's mother, likewise, users (even technorati) tend to fix on the first word processor or text editor they learn to use as the "best" or at least, their favorite, no matter how miserable it is. I've seen it! So I recommend you hold off bringing OpenOffice up until the company or department complains about the high cost of upgrading Office.

  87. recursive question by milimetric · · Score: 1

    I just had a cool idea regarding your question:

    Tell them, I was in a bind to figure out how to introduce open source to you guys. So I asked one of the premier open source / techie news sites out there: slashdot. This in itself embodies the idea of open source. You have a project idea, some initial primers and you get people to contribute out of their free time and imagination. The huge benefits of multiple points of view produce a quick way to get a solution.

    You can use that as a lead in to the story of Linux, I don't know what fires people up more than Linus' original post in that forum about how he got Linux to work.

  88. Do a 2.6 Kernel Compile... by TheNucleon · · Score: 1
    on a Pentium 233. There is no better beer-drinkin', foot-stompin' fun to be had in this galaxy.

    Oh yeah. Follow it up with a Gentoo install, purely from source. If the first thing didn't get 'em, this will be the hook.

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  89. freeloader by milimetric · · Score: 1

    Dudes, stop giving this guy answers.
    Dude, do your own homework.

    1. Re:freeloader by TheClam · · Score: 1

      Don't you realize what's going on? Now everyone here who is 'that person in the office who knows about computers' has a lot of ideas to choose from, put forth by people in similar situations (or not, even) who have good ideas.

      Which is the beauty of open source.

      Take your proprietary ass to another story.

    2. Re:freeloader by milimetric · · Score: 1

      actually, that's really funny you say that because check out my other post: recursive question. I was just kidding in this post.

  90. Open source isn't "fun" sorry dude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people don't find hacking kernels and compiling their own software fun. I like it, but I would be hard pressed into telling people they would enjoy doing it.

  91. Try a story... OS Airlines by JidsDB · · Score: 1

    This is an old story, i think i got it from a fortune cookie, i can't remember...

    "If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines...

    UNIX Airways

    Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building.

    Air DOS

    Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on...

    Mac Airlines

    All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.

    Windows Air

    The terminal is pretty and colourful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

    Windows NT Air

    Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes.

    Windows XP Air

    You turn up at the airport,which is under contract to only allow XP Air planes. All the aircraft are identical, brightly coloured and three times as big as they need to be. The signs are huge and all point the same way. Whichever way you go, someone pops up dressed in a cloak and pointed hat insisting you follow him. Your luggage and clothes are taken off you and replaced with an XP Air suit and suitcase identical to everyone around you as this is included in the exorbitant ticket cost. The aircraft will not take off until you have signed a contract. The inflight entertainment promised turns out to be the same Mickey Mouse cartoon repeated over and over again. You have to phone your travel agent before you can have a meal or drink. You are searched regularly throughout the flight. If you go to the toilet twice or more you get charged for a new ticket. No matter what destination you booked you will always end up crash landing at Whistler in Canada.

    Linux Air

    Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself.

    When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"
    Sorry, this is the best analogy on the subject of linux, has been around for a long time, and is anonymous.

    BTW, linux is the kernel, GNU/GPL software make up the rest of the OS and apps. GNU/Linux is the way lawyers will say it in court."

    1. Re:Try a story... OS Airlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very good indeed ... It puts just the right angle on the software. E.g. with the Linux OS all you had to do just bolt the seat in not the whole plane.

    2. Re:Try a story... OS Airlines by Omega996 · · Score: 1

      Wow, your Linux airlines sounds like no version of Linux I ever ran on the desktop. I always had as many problems with Linux as with Windows (though they weren't the same problems, I'll grant you that).

      I understand your point about evangelizing OSS, but truthfully I've moved on to being more interested in having a fully-functional UNIX-like desktop than the ideological benefits of Linux or FreeBSD (which is more free, fuck you GPL huggers everywhere).

      At the risk of being modded a troll ::shrugs:: Linux on the desktop is a dead horse. Mac OS X is a real UNIX-like desktop, and lets you fiddle with things as little or as much as you'd like. You might bitch because it costs $129, or because it doesn't run on your computer cobbled together from 15 years of computer upgrades, but it does work, and it works very well. And it's not Windows, nor does it aspire to be. If you want a UNIX-like work environment in which you can still run real-world, commercial applications, it's your only choice.

  92. do what I did... by bad_outlook · · Score: 1

    "order" a bunch of free cds from Ubuntu - once you get em bring them in, pile 10-15 on your desk at work, watch ppl come up and ask what they are. I've gotten 3 ppl to install Linux at home with em in 2 weeks.

    I've got more cds, and the packaging includes a live cd, install cd, and nice artwork; it's quite a package.

  93. Mod Parent Up, and demo tabbed browsing by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Firefox is, for the average user, much more accessible than many of the traditional Open Source tools like gcc and emacs. Popup Prevention *was* a really useful demo, though some Flash things seem to have gotten around it, and IE is starting to add popup prevention. Tabbed browsing is really nice, especially for applications like "So you want to open a bunch of articles from Google News / Your company website, etc. at once". Furthermore, you can show off how easy it is to install extensions (giving a plug for how Open Source makes it possible to write them) like Linky which lets you open a bunch of images in new tabs (so go to an image-rich website, open up the pictures, and tab through.)

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  94. How about Blender by LetterRip · · Score: 1

    Painting, animating, and modeling tools are fun. I'd do a quick demo with Blender http://www.blender3d.com/cms/Home.2.0.html , perhaps do a quicky animation (of your logo or some such), or sculpting using the sculptmesh http://wiki.blender.org/bin/view.pl/Blenderdev/Scu lpMesh (shameless self promotion) plugin.

    LetterRip

    1. Re:How about Blender by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      So how about making some low poly models for those of us trying to make open source games?

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    2. Re:How about Blender by LetterRip · · Score: 1

      You can take the makehuman model and remove edges and verts till it is low poly. The new model (which is of greatly improved quality) is under the MIT license so can be used with proprietary or non proprietary games.

      LetterRip

    3. Re:How about Blender by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Character models are needed, sure, but we need mundane things like doors and walls and streets and traffic lights. Seems if programmers want this stuff they have to hire an artist or stumble through Blender tutorials and make it themselves. Where are all the open source minded modellers?

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      How we know is more important than what we know.
    4. Re:How about Blender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Where are all the open source minded modellers?

      Electronic Arts had them all whacked.

  95. Firefox extensions by karstux · · Score: 1

    As part of the meeting, you could demo Firefox and its powerful plug-in system.

    First, show them just the naked browser, and how it doesn't differ much from IE in its capabilities.

    Then begin installing extensions, as diverse as possible: maybe mouse gestures, adblock, an RSS reader, scrapbook, smoothwheel, tab extensions and so on.

    Finally make the point that all of this is only possible because every part of the browser is open and can be extended or overwritten by extensions.

    Now while such a demo might not be overly spectacular, I can't think of a better and more tangible example of OSS. Doing a few live edits of Wikipedia is certainly a good idea, too.

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  96. Instruction Game by CowboyRobot · · Score: 1
    1. Split the group into two teams: 'oss' and 'proprietary'.
    2. Give everybody equal number of supplies (paper, pens, rubber bands).
    3. Give one member of each team instructions for some simple task, eg. making an origami crane.
    4. Everyone has the goal of accruing as many cranes and as many other supplies as possible
    5. The OSS group is able to share or copy the instructions among themselves (and even with the other team), while ithe proprietary team cannot copy the instructions and only person may look at them at any time.
    6. Players build cranes and buy supplies by selling the cranes they make, and in the case of the proprietary team, the current owner of the instructions may choose to sell them for an inordinate amount of supplies.
    7. After an hour of fun mayhem, see which team was able to build more cranes, and see which team has more diffuse dispersal of resources.
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  97. Do these people need to munge data? by grantm · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing some of the people you'll be talking to are spreadsheet junkies. Often such people have requirements that can't be met easily by a spreadsheet but would be easy to do in a script (eg: munging data from text files into CSV so they can get it into a spreadsheet).

    My Sprog project is targetted at exactly that type of user, the project catch phrase is "Scripting for the GUI Guys". It's a friendly GUI environment in which a user can drag and drop reusable components to 'build' a script rather than 'write' a script.

    This article gives some hint of what's possible (and has pictures too).

    At this point, a GNOME desktop on Linux would be the best demo platform, but Windows support is coming.

  98. Play X-pilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get them all to play xpilot :-), introduces X windows , networking and fun.

    http://www.xpilot.org/ :-)

  99. Dont forget Tux Racer!! ;) by Halvy · · Score: 0

    And put Him on a fat laptop.

    If you use a Knoppix (like) disk-- make sure it is geared to your companies business.

    Most importantly (other than Tux), make sure you explain that Linux comes from the OS (Unix) that made the worlds Telephone Network AND InterNet. :)

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  100. When your turn comes up... by x136 · · Score: 1

    Tell everyone that you have a great idea for the next meeting, but don't tell them what it is! When your turn comes up, show up to the meeting fashionably late if possible.

    Before your co-workers can react to your entrance, stroll into the meeting room and shoot each and every person in the kneecap.

    While they're wailing in pain and rolling in pools of their own blood, fire a few rounds into the air to get their attention. If you're out of ammo, just bang the butt of the gun on a table or wall.

    Once you have their attention, mention that if you ever catch any of the fuckers using that Windows bullshit ever again, you're going to call another meeting. If they don't seem to be catching your drift, call attention to the gun in a subtle manner. Make sure they know you're dead serious, and be sure to use strong language for the greatest impact!

    At the end of the meeting, as they're limping out of the room using each other for support, hand out Knoppix discs and pamphlets about popular alternative operating systems and books that will help them get started. ...

    Oh, wait, you mean fun for them? I think that'd be a mistake. After all, fear is an excellent motivator. Your boss may even be so impressed with your strong leadership style, that you'll get a raise out of it all.

    Good luck!

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  101. How about: If you don't use open source, then... by kuom · · Score: 2, Funny

    you are a terrorist!

    Hey, some people might just convert... :)

  102. Play Distro Wars with them by Gypsy2012 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040111

    It wont really teach them what OOS is but it will be fun and introduce them to some of the players. :P

  103. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about skipping to the real reasons to meet and/or doing some real work on whatever your company's product is? Or maybe work on your resume? Sorry, but I just can't stand this kind of forced office politics-driven management fluff.

  104. Beer is fun! by Argon+Sloth · · Score: 1

    Bring a sixpack of the open source beer featured on ./ a day or two ago.

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  105. I opened up my laptop by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    ...it had e17 on it and looked like none of the bland green meadows at work. But the 'money shot' was when I turned on 'snow' that I had personally tweaked so that instead of snowflakes, it was all bullet shell casings falling at varying speeds gracefully like rain.

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  106. Intoxicated Gentoo Install by VersatilePrimate · · Score: 1

    Get them drunk and then have them start a Gentoo install.

    Worked for my girlfriend.

    Wait.. that was fun for ME.

  107. play the apt-get game by jab · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's performance art.

    Get a computer with Debian attached to a network and projector. Then take software installation requests from the crowd. For example, when some says "computational linguistics" hunt through the package listings and apt-get install the closest program - probably mmorph in this example. Encourage bizarre requests and surprise yourself at how much wild and crazy open source software is at your fingertips.

    PS. If anyone asks how it works, say the computer is downloading knowledge from 'The Matrix' and refer to the helicopter scene in the movie.

    1. Re:play the apt-get game by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      This gets my vote. I hadn't thought of that. This is one of the best things about an open source system with access to open source software repositories. That will really impress them that they can get almost any type of software they want in less than a minute for free.

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  108. Warzone 2100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Future 3D RTS, design your own units, developed as proprietary, now GPL (art and sound available, too; however, not the videos):
    http://developer.berlios.de/projects/warzone/

  109. A difficult task by DCJimS · · Score: 1

    I am a Linux guru (whatever that is) for a major defense contractor. And I would say this is the hardest task that I have to do everyday. Explain Open Source. For example: Technical- maybe I talk about lack of virus etc (at least for now). Or maybe talk about Zen or RHN. Patch management is a biggie. Management - Talk about the cost savings. It was recently estimated that one gov't agency could save over 8M per year in maint just by switching to Linux (just maint costs, no other considerations). This usually gets some attention. $ still talks! Sales - This is tough. But I usually bring up the annuity of Linux licenses. But where do I talk about the VALUE of Open Source? So far, I can't find anyone in my organization that cares! I LOVE the paper idea, and some of the others discussed. But honestly, except for us, WHO CARES? Here are the arguments I get: 1. Open, not proprietary. "I don't care if the proprietary software does what I want it to. And with the proprietary software, I can exchange my documents with anyone in the world" 2. You can see (and change) the kernal. Seriously, does anyone using Linux as a production web/file/print/database server EVER change the source code? 3. Better performing (against U**x systems). "I know you are probably right, but I have these systems and if I have to replace all the servers with X86 boxes, I don't save any money" Anyway. This is a HARD question and the oft given answers don;t seem to work. Linux is catching on in the federal gov't as it is everywhere, but unless you "get" the arguments on your own, its a tough sell.

  110. Why not give them the Open CD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The latest version of The Open CD has an excellent selection of Windows open-source apps...but it is also bootable as a Linux OS with the same apps in their Linux incarnations.

    Either way, you've got them!

  111. Hey, here's an idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about not being that asshole at the office always lecturing about open source like you just discovered it?

  112. Learning tool? by infochuck · · Score: 1

    I'd suggest getting a job where everybody isn't a tool. I hate to be a sarcastic prick (no I don't), but c'mon, what is this, kindergarten? Sounds like you've got some touchy-feely, "I'm okay, you're okay" pinhead boss. If you insist on staying, just stick to something lame and trite and 'fun', just like the fun little activity itself. Learning is its own reward.

  113. Open up your mind!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    becarefull those with a virgin mind may be shocked by what's below:

    Get everyone nacked! and show them to be more open to sharing, even the married ones, we all benefit from experiencing chances to reproduce with as many partners as possible, it avoid chances of DNA related diseases and conquering a new sex partner always give us a very big smile :-D

  114. How about issuing a challenge by tolkienfan · · Score: 1
    Set up a Linux system with email, www, Open Office, etc,etc... you know your audience.

    Then challenge them to find fault in certain defined areas:

    1. Try and catch a virus
    2. Try to get infected with malware of any kind (without running Wine)
    3. Find a problem in compatibility - say between MS Office docs and Open Office.
    4. Hack in from outside
    5. Hack your way to escalated privilege
    6. Find some hidden piece of info

    You get the picture

    Make sure that the software is all configured correctly - give them user accounts, etc. You don't want anything to break due to incorrect configuration.

    Some things may not be hard to break - like Office compatibility, but that's not necessarily a downside: You can't hide issues. It'll be fun figuring out what fit's well in your environment.

  115. Do it naked by pynchon · · Score: 1
    "...Did I mention it has to be fun?"
    You want fun? That'll be fun.
  116. Mention Google is powered by Linux by ewg · · Score: 1

    Mention that Google is powered by Linux. Everyone has used Google, and so everyone has used Linux indirectly.

    Explain that if Google needs to double the number of servers they use, they don't have to buy more copies of Linux.

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  117. Re:Dont forget Tux Racer!! ;) by malelder · · Score: 1

    aww, stole my idea (; glad I searched first, avoided that redundant mod..

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  118. So who's in charge of by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    inventing the new game of "Software Monopoly"? (Soft-opoly?)

    Hmm.

    Trading property titles for IP titles would be a no-brainer, and likely run risk of offending certain, ahem, IP property owners. So, instead of Boardwalk and Park Place, it would have to be erm, MeltingFluff Off-this, and MF Foo-foo.

    (You know, the wind blows, fooooooo fooooooooooo.

    Sorry.)

    Free Parking, of course, would be Free (as in speech) Software, but you could choose to go there any time and stay as long as you want. In fact, not just one corner, make it a parallel inside track. On a property like PostGreSQL, you'd choose to pay or not, and how much, and you could pay in lines of code instead of money, and you'd get karma for paying. On a property like MySQL, you could choose to put a hood over your piece as you pass, but hooded pieces get no karma.

    Uh, oh.

    The above game description is copyright 2005, by Joseph Daniel Zukiger, and is licensable under the GPL or under MIT terms.

  119. Use the IRC method! by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    RTFM Newbie!!!
  120. Knoppix is good demo too, and mini-CDs by billstewart · · Score: 1
    Memory sticks are fun (assuming your office's standard PC can boot from USB without haggling with the BIOS, and preferably has USB2 instead of USB1), but Knoppix on a CDROM or DVD, and mini-CD distributions like the Bootable Business Card, and special application systems like MythTV or a network security suite if your group does that sort of thing make good demos. Pop it in, reboot, show it off. Pop in a different demo, reboot, try it also. Pop out the disk and they're back to Windows again. Knoppix does a nice job of finding the user's own files on a Windows disk (at least if it's not NTFS), so you can also show off OpenOffice and a browser.

    And showing Firefox is an obvious win, especially since you can demonstrate user-written extensions/themes/plugins like Linky and the various theme sets.

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  121. Two words: Goatse.cx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuff said.

  122. mod up n/t by TheClam · · Score: 1

    /. /. /.

  123. OpenOffice & Firefox yes, politics no. by doodleboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First of all, it's a waste of time to get all bug-eyed about politics. Most folks barely know how to turn their machines on and are suspicious of any kind of change.

    The place I last worked I was responsible for the IT budget, such as it was, and like any rational person I used the money on hardware--actual stuff--as much as possible. Shiny, quiet computers with lots of ram, mirrored RAID drives on the server, a zoomy networked laser printer that cut the cost of consumables. Stuff like that.

    Everyone got Thunderbird for mail. Everyone got OpenOffice except the owner, who did these baroque spreadsheets in Excel that wouldn't run in OO.o without a lot of screwing around.

    The biggest hit was showing IE and Firefox w/Adblock running side by side. Again no mention of politics or anything. No ads or pop-ups either.

    What software did I pay for? OEM Windows SBS 2003 ($450), a half dozen OEM copies of XP Pro ($140 per), Grisoft antivirus ($35 each for 2 years), one OEM Office XP ($70). About $1600 all in, a lot less than it could have been.

    I couldn't really do linux on the server because the owner knew I was quitting and he felt like he'd have more of a chance with a familiar looking interface. In actual fact administering SBS probably isn't much easier than linux, but I didn't push it.

    It's just not possible to shove your own software preferences down other people's throats. But now there are a few more happy users of OO.o, various Mozilla products, etc, and an owner that'll balk at shelling out big bucks for a $0.25 CD that'll only run on one machine.

    Use free software where it makes sense. Gradually things will change.

  124. fun... by mrscorpio · · Score: 1

    I'd think popping in a live CD of some sort (itself an interesting concept; maybe take something like PCLinuxOS which I was able to resize an NTFS partition, create new Linux partitions, and install in about 15 minutes total) and showing them all the neat stuff that comes built in to your average KDE or Gnome desktop would open some eyes. The free games (foobilliards, tuxracer), stuff like XEarth, etc. Intersperse these things with a few graphical tools that are Linux only and kill Windows programs for the same functionality set, show them stuff like Firefox and Open Office that work on both platforms, and I think you would intrigue more than a few people.

  125. Best analogy: recipes by sootman · · Score: 1

    Not sure if this is what you're after, but a good way to explain OSS it is compare to recipes. Say you come up with a great way to cook meatloaf. Once you've done this, and written down the recipe anyway, it takes a trivial amount of effort to share that recipe. Others can see it, modify it, and if they share back their changes, you wind up with a better recipe that you can use yourself. Your meatloaf becomes better and it took no effort to do so--just release your work and wait for improvements to arrive.

    If you're a good storyteller you can embellish this a lot and since sharing recipes is very similar to sharing code (a set of instructions, intellectual work that can be duplicated cheaply, etc etc etc) you can draw a million and one parallels.

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  126. Start the meeting off by ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    having everyone present sign NDA's, restrictive licensing agreements, and finally inform them that they will each now be required to send you a monthly payment.

  127. PORN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show them how to download porn using Pan, view it in xine and then get rid of it with shred.

  128. Let them guess logos by hubertf · · Score: 1
    As a start for my "Open Source" lecture, I let students guess/tell me what logos of OS projects they recognize from my selection.


    - Hubert

  129. Games Knoppix and Scorched Earth 3D by Doug+Dante · · Score: 1

    Have them bring in their laptops, give them all games knoppix, and start by playing networked Scorched Earth 3D. (You'll probably need a wired network in the conference room). Hey if they don't like it, at least they can all say that they used Linux, and they can play a game while they ignore your explaination of why free software is so cool.

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    1. Re:Games Knoppix and Scorched Earth 3D by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 1

      Great idea. Everyone I've shown knoppix too has been impressed. It would probably be good to test Knoppix out on as many of the machines as possible before hand as it doesn't always "just work". At least, I've occassionally had problems: weird network cards, some new dells, maybe serial ata.

  130. Welcome to Engineering by shadow_slicer · · Score: 1

    I believe that a lot of engineers are required to do something like this on a regular basis to keep their certifications.
    Where I was last working (before I went back to school), the engineers did this once a year. The presentations were usually interesting and related to the job. People would talk about new techniques to analyse power systems or new ways to use data from commonly used components. This sort of show and tell allows the old people to pass on old knowledge and the new people to pass on new techniques.

    And in any case, it's a good excuse to take a break.

  131. try some role-playing by antaeus · · Score: 1
    Play out the following, then have people guess what you represent:

    1) Make a lot of promises. Fire up the smoke machine and the confetti cannons. Have everyone give you $20 and sign a paper that they will give you $20 more every year, in perpetuity. Then leave the room without giving them anything.

    2) Listen intently while co-workers discuss the problems. While they talk, create an elegant origami sculpture for each of them. Tell them it's exactly what they need. When they ask how to use the origami to solve their problems, tell them to talk amongst themselves, then leave the room.

    Then ask them to choose which solution they prefer.

  132. obscure? by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

    ...And now we know what happened to Simon.

  133. Shock and Awe... by pogson · · Score: 1

    Find an old box like a Pentium I with 64 MB RAM. Ideally it can boot Windows 95 or such archaic system. With no network connection, boot it up and time it. Show the software available with a basic installation. Then boot with Thin Station or LTSP and start an X session to a hot Linux server. The apparently huge increase in speed will shock them. The awe part comes when you show them all the software available in the installation of Linux, like OpenOffice, multiple browsers, spreadsheets, databases, servers, graphics, audio-visual software and mention that you are demonstrating today's software accessed from a machine that was obsolete a decade ago and that it is free of Gates' EULA and licence fees. Mention that Gates' abandoned that hardware about 8 years ago and folks have upgraded that other OS and the platform several times since then for little benefit.

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  134. Fun way to introduce open source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show them a picture of an overweight communist with excessive facial hair and a Star Trek T-Shirt. "This is the face of open source." That would be fun.

  135. Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Definitely tell them about wikipedia at least; that thing is just too freakin cool not to know about...

    Maybe you could have a "stump the wiki" contest ;).

  136. Free Software for Busy People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See Free Software for Busy People, a free book, CC-licensed. It's excellent.

  137. First everyone needs two benjamins... by zogger · · Score: 1

    you have everyone pull out two hundred bucks and lay it on the table. Layout a copy of xp pro. boot up a preinstalled version of that and flash through the menu selection. Let them stare at it for a few minutes. they will get the connection. A piece of plastic, a disk. Two hundred bucks. Now, pull out some more disks, then you hand them each a knoppix disk (the new DVD would be nice) and have them boot it up on their computers (or a demo box, whatever). Let them check it out, show it off a little. No commentary, just let them *look* at it. Then tell them they can put their 200$ back in their wallets, they get to keep the disks.

    Should make for some interesting conversation with the folks who have never seen it before.

  138. When the show is over give them something to read by rubylisper · · Score: 1

    I suggest Free Software for Busy People http://freedomsoftware.info/content/section/1/45/ Plus an Ubuntu live disk.

  139. Re:Get them thinking...and fired. by haakondahl · · Score: 1

    I like the idea of experimenting with paper airplane design-by-committee.
    But when management comes down the hall to the Open Source Software Seminar, looks in and sees twelve people on the clock trying to fold paper airplanes, that company is going to downsize and spend the savings on a shrink-wrapped solution from Redmond.

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  140. A series of short, informational videos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...featuring an animated, anthropomorphic paper clip!

  141. Show this post! by getwhipped · · Score: 1

    I would do whatever you think is best, but at the end, give each person a printout of this post (along with all the articles). If you can plug Open Source, and then show them that there are communities interested, it might just seal-the-deal (and might also tell your boss you did some research :) ).

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  142. Pink slip game by fliesd · · Score: 1
    Ask everyone who needs a fun game at a meeting to learn something new to raise their hand.

    Fire everyone who raised their hand.

    Now every meeting will be fun, because you've rid yourself of the dead weight. Those who don't care about their job, or don't have the comptetence to follow a meeting on a techincal subject.

  143. FireFox by GEEK13 · · Score: 1

    Going with the mozilla firefox idea, I had the idea that you could have like brainstorms for possible extentions. Have groups or whatever come up with the most usfull/convenient/insane and then im sure if you felt like it you could have them coded and show them off later.

  144. Free as in .... by cleong · · Score: 1

    Forget about software; we already play with that all day.

    Why not introduce Open Source as a fun new idea in the form of the world's first open source beer?

    Our Beer may be difficult to obtain in your neighborhood, but hey, you're free to make your own! That sounds like a fun introduction for any meeting. And while you're enjoying the benefits of Open Source Beer, you can talk about how the concepts might apply to software you produce or use, and how everyone can benefit from items created under this licensing scheme. Then list examples of OSS products that provide alternatives to proprietary software solutions you are currently using.

  145. OSS Mascot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Fun and Informative Way to Introduce Open Source? How about a mascot, perhaps some cutesy little animal.

    Oh, wait...

  146. Pull the hard drive and boot a live cd by maggot4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This would at least raise some eyebrows.

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  147. Give 'em a big pile of green cash by potus98 · · Score: 1

    Here's a gimmick: Bring in a big black trash bag filled with cash. As the meeting begins, dump out all the cash on the conference room table and spread it out. Now go on to describe that this could be the average monthly savings if our company switched one appplication (like MS-Exchange) to an open source alternative.

    Ideally, the amount of cash would be based on some kind of quick and dirty ROI analysis. And of course, you could replace the idea of switching one app with migrating 5 PC's off Windows, replacing the firewall with a linux solution, replacing an expensive server with cheap hardware, and so on.

    Big piles of cash are VERY fun for business people!

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  148. E17 by nihilogos · · Score: 1

    Why don't you walk them through compiling and configuring the latest e17 release?

    That's FUN.

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  149. Re:Fun and Informative Way to Introduce Open Sourc by jwdb · · Score: 1

    Dunno about that - a treasure hunt for the most obscene comment could be fun.

  150. Just point and laugh at them for using Microsoft by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    Oh, you meant fun for them?

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  151. Yawn!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could try to see how much "fun" others would find in the above ideas.

    Or you could just stick with Windows and find a topic that actually is fun and insightful.

  152. Good luck and all... by Hosiah · · Score: 1
    But I see the business world hasn't changed much since I left it, and I don't miss it. My sympathy is with you, hero, for putting up with this circus!

    As for my idea: Richard M Stallman often drew comparisons between open source code and cookie recipes. To this day, a page of cookie recipes even comes with a standard install of Emacs.

    A recipe, he pointed out, costs the owner nothing to share. When you're hungry, you make up a new recipe for baking cookies and then eat your cookies, your problem was solved. It then costs you nothing to share your recipe with other people. And next time, somebody might even share their recipe with you.

    Now, bring BOXES of cookies with you to the meeting, and work out some kind of visual where you pretend the ingredients list cut off the back of the package is the "cookie source code". Be sure your audience gets to eat plenty of cookies during the presentation. Bring a Sesame Street(TM) cookie monster puppet along to demonstrate greedy Proprietary software tycoons who want to horde all the recipes and keep all the cookies for themselves. Perhaps work out that the "cookie box" is a "compiler" and you feed it the "source code" and out pops a cookie. Let everybody run down to their last recipe before you point out that they can make as many copies of the "source code" in the copier as they want, and then they'll never run out of cookies!

    I have no idea how much time you have, here, but fifteen minutes should be filled. If you make sure everybody has eaten a cookie at the beginning of the presentation, fifteen minutes will be just enough time for the dopamine from the chocolate and sugar to hit their brains just as your presentation concludes and it's time for them to stand up and applaud. Can't hurt!

  153. +5, Insightful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask everyone in the group to imagine a simple piece of paper. ... There are few simple alternatives to paper. Sure there are whiteboards / chalkboards / computers / sheets of mylar, etc., but each has limitations that are not inherent to paper.

    Yeah, great way to introduce software by demonstrating that computers are an inferior alternative to paper... But I have a more general idea that is exactly equivalent to yours:

    Ask everyone in the group to imagine something that has nothing to do with software and there is no monopoly or any cost of vendor switching whatsoever. Ask them:

    What would use it for?
    What do you know about where it was manufactured?
    What do you know about its inventor?

    Then demostrate that there are few simple alternatives, but each has limitations.

    Ask them how they would feel if it suddenly cost $300.00 simply because the biggest vendor decided that that was what they wanted to charge. What would they do to get around this barrier to their productivity. The alternatives aren't very convenient for most people.

    Then tell them that there is a community that is offering other ways to manufacture it that drastically decreased the cost - back down to the previous rate and way below - how would they feel about that, eh?

    Better still, what if that community were all volunteers and saints, whose only purpose in life is to make access to this type of information / service / activity available to as many people as possible, hah?

    This is rather simplistic, and doesn't address anything at all of what OSS/FOSS is about, but hey, it is a simple way to introduce the subject even if pointless.

    It wouldn't hurt if you could download an Open Source paper design so that they can build $300.00 or even $495.00 gadgets at the end of your chat. Make sure to hire strippers. Lots of strippers. People love them.

  154. depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on your company policies. I proposed the same (my comp is a software consultant firm) solution to my corporate systems admin section... & they never cared about it (ironically most of them are MS sepcialists)....i even recomended changing just the developers' systems to linux/open source, as most of them use just the plain applications..like telnet client, browser, office apps which are fairly & freely available on open source..
    finally, it broke down to me silently using the FC4 at home system while plain old windows at work.

  155. Proprietary software is inconvenient by pfaffman · · Score: 1

    I haven't really seen this argument in the responses that I've read thus far. Here's a section from a piece I've written for a magazine for people using technology in schools:

    Proprietary software is inconvenient. It is inconvenient to purchase additional licenses when you buy new machines. It is inconvenient to negotiate a new license agreement each year. It is inconvenient to have multiple versions of a package on campus because you cannot afford to upgrade all of the computers when a new version comes out. It is inconvenient for a technology coordinator to be forced with an ethical dilemma when a teacher buys a computer and asks for a piece of software to be installed. It is inconvenient that we cannot provide students with the same software that they use at school for their home computers. It is inconvenient when a vendor who previously provided a package free to schools changes the license agreement after considerable training time and money have been spent on it. It is inconvenient when a software vendor audits a school district asking for proof that every piece of software has a proper and valid license. Thanks to the work of Stallman and thousands of others these inconveniences are becoming increasingly unnecessary.

    It's almost off-topic, but I really don't understand how people use Windows with the virus problems. My mom's computer got all kinds of crap on it, in spite of my installing firewalls and everything else I knew to do. (Admittedly, I've been running Linux on my desktop for a decade and am probably not a very good windoze sysadmin, but I'm probably better than 99% of the population.) Mom's running Fedora now. My sister's brand new machine was slow to the point of unusability. The solution was to turn off Norton. That's likely to be a short-term solution. . . .

  156. Food... by nurd68 · · Score: 1

    If you wanted to explain Open Source as philosophy, rather than application, I find the best thing to do is recipes.

    Start with something simple, like a recipe for a jelly sandwich. Then go around the table and have people add to it.

    - Peanut butter
    - Bananas
    - Someone cuts the sandwich
    - Someone adds chips as a side

    The recipe is open source. People can improve it.

    Then, there is the proprietary sandwich model. You cannot make your own. You cannot improve upon it. The company controls the destiny of the sandwich, and they do not need to modify it if they do not want to.

    (Cookies work too).

    Open source, however, belongs to everyone who ever contributed to the software, and anyone who wants can fix it.

    Then you can launch in to "and this is the result", and boot Knoppix off a random box.

    Then start laying out the costs:
    Computer: $500
    Windows XP Pro: $150 (OEM)
    MS Office: $300(??) (OEM)

    So, you've doubled the cost of your machine by buying software with free equivalents.

    Plus (bringing the argument back to the original idea), if the company stops making Jelly sandwiches, you can't get Jelly sandwiches anymore. However, the Open Source Jelly sandwiches are still around, and someone else could take up the torch to extend the Jelly sandwiches. If your company had a need, they could even hire a consultant to work on it, or extend it in-house. One cannot do that with the proprietary sandwich mode.

    But that's just my .02.

  157. Firefox demo by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this might not be wind surfing fun, but people might like it. I gave a firefox demo a year ago for our small office. They got to see the major features like tabbed browsing, pop up blocking, and javascript controls. They got to see a few different extensions like one of the translators and one of the adblockers. They also got a little of the history of the browser from it's origins with Netscape to the modern day. Anyways, most people seemed to like it and about half the office uses firefox today.

    If you want to introduce the concepts of open source software, few people are going to care even if you find a fun game in which to convey those concepts. However, if you demo something like firefox, you can sneak in some tidbits about open source while giving people something they can actually use and appreciate. The presentation/demo wouldn't necessarily be "fun" in the short term, but the outcome, converting to firefox, would be quite pleasant.

    If you absolutely must have fun, there are some game extensions like pong, but it seems somewhat counter productive to focus on non-professional features when trying to encourage work place adoption. Pong Extension

  158. Knoppix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple, show them all the stuff you can do with a Knoppix disk, from games to open office to Windows system recovery. Show em GIMP but you might gloss over the name =)

  159. Show how Knoppix can save a Windows PC by Rolgar · · Score: 1

    Once they use it and become familiar with it, it will be much easier to get them to consider using it.

  160. Knoppix treasure hunt by webweave · · Score: 1

    Give everyone a Knoppix disk and a printed sheet of "Challanges" like;
    -Get to level 3 in Lbreakout
    -Conntect to the internet and surf to the company web page
    -Open a SMB serve and copy some files
    -Edit a spreadsheet in openoffice
    Make up whatever tasks you feel are approiate for your group.

  161. Give them the book "Free Software for Busy People" by alubaydli · · Score: 1

    May I suggest my book, "Free Software for Busy People"? The web version is free readable here and the PDF version is here.

    I wrote it for just this situation - people who aren't computer professionals don't understand open source, nor why they should bother to understand it. I wrote the book to be enjoyable enough to read in bed, and so far early feedback is that it's true.

    As they're business folks, you might want them to focus on the examples of Mr Big, the Fortune 500 CEO character in the book.

    Hope this helps!
    mo

  162. Warm versus cold milk. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Y'ever wonder whose idea it was to drink milk cold? Yeah, it has to be refrigerated, but there are plenty of foods that require refrigeration which we eat hot. It's plenty warm when it comes out of the cow; why do we only drink it chilled?

    --grendel drago

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  163. Which was first? by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Puzzle Bobble or Bust-A-Move?

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:Which was first? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Puzzle Bobble came first. It was renamed to "Bust A Move" for the U.S. market.

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  164. Do any statistical work? R Project is IT! by crovira · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If these people do any kind of statistical analysis or modeling, they would love the R Project software.

    http://www.r-project.org/

    Its open source. Its got loads of examples. In runs in every environment (I've got it for Mac in a .dmg, Windows in a .zip & Linux [lots of download options] and it works fine.)

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  165. Does the Open Source Initiative need marketers? by tleehane · · Score: 1

    This post got me thinking...does Open Source need product marketing? I know that many software engineers don't get along with their marketing counterparts; but in many (if not most) cases, product marketing is necessary to shepherd technology from the early adopter and early majority markets to the mass markets.

    Perhaps if more marketers were involved to answer questions about target customers, application of the technologies, ROI, and channels of distribution it might help OS gain ground in more places.

    Are there other people who have tried this approach for Opern Source?

    Necessary disclaimer: I'm a product marketing manager. :-)

  166. Wait for an opportunity by manuelpl · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I work for a school district in California. As a Computer Tech there , I find a lot of free time , and I R&D various OSS projects. At most places of business a Calendar is very important. In our case we where using WEBEVENT for about 4 years, this software is not open source, and it cost more than $10K for software and hosting. After the MEETINGMAKER ( another calendar software) bought WEBEVENT out , they killed the little tech support they had , and could not provide a proper in-house solution for us, instead they hosted it for us. I decided to look in sourceforge for something like it or better and found WEBCALENDAR ( http://webcalendar.sourceforge.org/ ) . While I Can't say I am expert in anything MySql PHP or Apache , I managed to get this working right. I played with this for a couple months and I mastered the different functions.

    When I was finally confident with WEBCALENDAR, I pitched it to my boss ( make sure you schedule 30 mins in his/her calendar or else you will get interuptions etc , and you will not be able to get your idea across ) . After showing the calendar system , he was impressed , I told him not only is it in house , web based, but FREE.

    We just roled out the calendar this monday, and trained about 20 people, and everything went well.

    It was very great to see something you are trying to implement actually happen, and everyone thanks and appreciates my hard work in bringing this to them.

    This has opened the door for OSS at our district.

    Manuelpl

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  167. Show Them The Benefits by WCityMike · · Score: 1

    I'd concentrate on the benefits they get. Free. Free. Free.

    Firefox is probably a good example - hardcore example of something open source and the resulting benefits (it's giving IE a run for its money, extensions and themes available, etc.)

    To a lesser point (depending on what open source license is being used), the ability to remix and reuse.

  168. IBM Linux Fun by pek314159 · · Score: 0

    Here is an IBM site with some fun Linux stuff:
    http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/

    WARNING: The animations use evil flash magic.

    1. Re:IBM Linux Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very cute animations, I like the dancing penguin!

      Who would have thunk pinstripe-IBM would have
      such fun stuff?

  169. overlords/russia by GEEK13 · · Score: 1

    hmm, due to the lack of modding attention my last post got, trying to be informative/interesting, ive decided to try another approach-
    I for one welcome are new open source overlords
    and of course
    In soviet russia source opens you!

  170. Pick an OSS app and go by Omega996 · · Score: 1

    In my experience with corporate users, most of them are not particularly interested in operating systems. They're more interested in applications, since to most of them the OS is transparent. To this end, you might try skipping the Linux bit, and instead grab something like Inkscape and have your coworkers design something. Make a contest out of it, or something like that. While they're busy doodling with their mice, you can talk a bit about the way the software was developed, and the differences between the more well-known commercial apps and the OSS one you're having them play around with. You could of course use Gimp to re-touch images of your IS VP or CTO or whatever, as well. Something along those lines would be much more entertaining, I'd wager, than a dry lecture on the benefits of OSS while they watch the incomprehensible process of downloading, burning, booting, and installing an OS that ends up looking and acting a lot like the Windows desktops they're used to.

  171. Matching Advocacy w/Support by riondluz · · Score: 1

    Wowie Zowie, says Little Freida, this stimulating post calls for cigars all around.
    Read all four pages and now am chock-full-o-ideas. Thnx all, very timely.
    My local LUG ( http://www.uvm.edu/vague ) has been bandying this subject around for the last 6 months.
    Howto advocate linux and FOSS in a well-balanced and effective way.
    Our usual modus-operandi was the install-fest (bring yer own mach. or use ours).
    Had a prelim this last Thurs (Ubuntu cd's for all) for which I prepared a presentation on "Why Linux".
    ( http://dluz.com/vague )
    This event was for a closed-group (geek friends of members) intended to be a prelim
    for a 'publicly announced' event come Autumn.

    My spiel revolved around the 'is it ready for the desktop' thread that's
    been circulating here and in COLA and elsewhere for the last year or so.
    (I have no intention of plagarizing, so if you happen to see your words w/out attrib
    then plz let me know)
    So this 1st draft tried to elaborate not just the Why, but the What as well, plus support issues,
    potential tales of woe and the many success stories. (Yawn)
    Even an install fest is potentially boring, unless accompanied with plenty of beer,
    music and party favors.
    Watching progress bars, creating partitions, setup users (yawn more),
    there's really little that's very festive.
    The only reason it's necessary is to deal with pesky problems that may arise
    for which the new user cant solve. Hardware issues, config stuff, etc..
    My conclusion is that it's way too much as an intro to Linux. Let ppl just sit
    down at a pre-installed box and just do something.
    I like the ideas offered here and think that on-going mini-workshops, starting with a
    demo of FF, then moving on to OO and other useful apps; i.e. the camel's nose approach
    is going to be more effective than any words can offer.
    But two things have to be addressed to keep converts converted. One is building a support
    infrastruture within our group to provide assistance to questions. Sort of an intermediary
    between the websites and newsgroups dedicated to technical assistance and the unknowing public who just want an answer.
    The other is addressing the host of problems that can arrise when a new user tries to
    install linux on their PC.
    Where a 3hr installfest may be too much to handle in one sitting for anybody whose just curious,
    a new user taking a CD home is just asking for it to collect dust.

    My general observations after reading this post is that there is a catch-22 regarding
    our advocacy. My initial approach was to get them to see why they should care, so I'm assuming
    they are having problems, or they have some interest in the politics of computing, or they want
    to become better, more efficient, more productive computer users.
    The vast majority probably have none of the above, yet. So
    in order for ppl to 'get' FOSS they have to already be using it, seeing
    that its the better choice and interested in taking the time to understand why.

    Otherwise it's all just opining or arguing. So, I'm cutting my presentation down to
    about 5minutes, leaving the rest as online reading for those inclined,
    and taking up the 'just do it' mantra.
    Bringing ppl around to Linux/FOSS is a multi-stage process. If it isn't imposed on them then it just isn't going to be willingly adopted
    after one introduction. Having a thought-out plan that maintains momentum and
    continues interest is the challenge.

    FWIW, Here's one members' take on Ubuntu and the evening's install:
    1. It's not very fast on old hardware. This is to be expected, but
    we should keep it in mind when planning things, time-wise.
    2. Josh noted -- and I have to agree -- that the apt-get/aptitude
    output in the second phase of the install (i.e. *after* all the
    progress bars were done) wasn't "pretty." If you can do nice
    progress bars while doing the initial install, why not wh

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  172. open source in action! by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

    Kill all of your processes.
    $ ps -ef|awk '{print $2}'|xargs kill


    Your version won't kill init. Better version:

    shutdown -h now



    Edit a file and delete the first and last line.
    $ vi
    1GddGdd:wq!


    Optimized version:
    vi foo
    ddGdd:wq

    Or skip the editor:

    sed -e '1d; $d ' foo.txt >foo2.txt && mv foo2.txt foo.txt



    Who has access to the computer?
    # cat /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f1,3


    This one will show username and geckos field, who has root (user/group) permissions, and only requires one command.


    awk ' BEGIN {FS=":"} ($4==0 || $3==0) {print $1 "("$5")" " **has root access"} ($3!=0 && $4!=0) { print $1 "("$5")"} ' /etc/passwd

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