If it costs just 10c its STILL stupid and wasteful, okay? Just because a dumb thing can be done cheaply doesn't keep it from being a dumb thing, especially when others have pointed out a VERY obvious way to get the benefit without the stupidity, and that is putting the Wifi in the socket NOT in the bulb. This would keep the electronics farther away from the heat, let you build a better antenna because you'll have more room, it just makes a hell of a lot more sense to just put it in the socket than it does in the bulb.
Personally I'd go one better and put it in the switch, as most wall mounts are in hallways anyway, putting it in the switch gives you an easy manual override (the switch itself) and since one switchplate can have 2 or 3 light controls you could use less chips by having one master control say 4 switches and cut the cost down further.
I'll get hate for pointing this out but then again common sense seems to be poison to the politically correct, but if most of your troubles are coming from one group, how about keeping more of the group from coming over and keeping a closer eye on the ones you got, how about that?
I'm sure the PC crowd will scream racial profiling and wet their panties but if most of your trouble is coming from the a certain demographic then why in the fuck should we waste 4 times the effort just to make sure the groups which AREN'T causing shit get as much or more scrutiny? Then is as fucking retarded as blocking the law in AZ from stopping Latinos looking for illegals by screaming racial profiling...what kind of illegals you think you are gonna get coming over a border with Mexico, Russians?
The simple fact is the rest of the religions have by and large grown the fuck up and the dangerous nutballs within those religions (like the WBC for example) are treated as what they are, dangerous nutballs, instead of being sheltered and aided as we have seen time and time again with the mosques preaching jihad. And before i hear that "religion of peace" bullshit I leave you with some of the words of the Koran and remind everyone unlike the other religions that have denounced the nastier parts of their books like pro slavery and racism passages again this has NOT happened yet with Islam..
Quran 4:89: They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
Quran 8:12: Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;
Quran 2:191: kill the disbelievers wherever we find them
Quran 22:19-22: for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods.
Quran 8:12: Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Quran 8:7: Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: Wipe the infidels out to the last.
Quran 8:59: The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy.
Quran 8:60: Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you.
Quran 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Quran 47:4: Strike off the heads of the disbelievers and, after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.
Ya know what? if your fat overweight ass gets into the ring against the heavyweight champ, do you REALLY think you can win just because you are such a fucking wonderful human being? Really? Because if so i have some swamp land you would be interested in.
You have an entire system built around the concept of giving a handful of elites ever more money, do you HONESTLY think your dumb ass is gonna come up with some brilliant fucking plan they haven't already thought of? there is brave and then there is fucking retarded, you sir are the latter. What are you gonna do, wave you little sign? Who is gonna see it, they own the stations moron! Fuck look at Ron Paul, even with all his net celebrity he was "He who shall not be named" by the MSM, Jon Stewart, who like me doesn't even care for libertarians, made a video of clips just showing how many tapdances they did to make sure nobody said his name, even so far as saying the first, second, and FOURTH place finishers and for the entire broadcast making God damned sure the world never knew there was a third place, much less who won it!
So unless you are ready to go full bore armed insurrection? You are just wasting your fucking time, you will do exactly jack and shit. Hell BOTH PARTIES are for fascism, what the fuck are you gonna do, third parties have NEVER done shit in this country and the MSM beats the peasants with the "third parties are wasted votes" meme so much most would NEVER vote for a third party, so already you have no fucking way to even get somebody in a position to do diddly fuck, okay?
Maybe you should watch a helpful educational video to see how all you will be doing by trying to work with a corrupted system is to HELP ENABLE that system, why will it never work? Because its fucking corrupted, duh! Your argument is NO DIFFERENT than if you play enough hands of three card monty you will come out ahead...no you won't, because you can't win a rigged game by playing more rigged games!!
Red herring and frankly a lame excuse, we lose more people to car wrecks in your average year and if they really gave a rat's ass about that we wouldn't have a border so pointless you could drive a nuke through the thing and which is largely controlled by drug cartels.
Nope if 9/11 wouldn't have happened it would have been something else, from COINTELPRO to Iran Contra the government has been getting nastier by the year, 9/11 simply gave them a way to slam on the accelerator and get away with doing it all at once instead of a little here and a little there. It no coincidence that the USA no longer has any left wing, just right and extreme right, the elite learned from the mistakes of Nixon and bought up all the MSM so that anyone who isn't already on the payroll might as well be invisible.
I do have to say it did give me a bit of schadenfreude to see so many have their bubbles burst by finding or Mr "Yes we can!" was really "Yes we can! (But I won't) " while it amazes me how many sign the little petitions and still buy the bullshit when its ALL just kayfabe. Its like what Ventura said after being in politics, that just like pro wrestling when the camera is on you play up how much you hate the other guy and when the camera is off? you are both having lunch together and laughing about it.
So I'm sure I'll get hate for saying this by those that still by the bullshit but I hate to break the news to ya, but you CAN NOT fix a corrupted system by working within that system, why? Because its corrupted silly! You can sign your little petitions and wave your little cardboard signs in the free speech zone 20 blocks from the cameras, they will just laugh and keep doing what they are doing. After all what are you gonna do, fire them? Then they get a cushy lobbying job and one of their frat bros get to play politician for a few years, big deal.
I used it for awhile and...meh. The Gecko engine really doesn't work great in this case, it always felt sluggish, and the few features it had frankly was done better in other players.
So I don't think that adding social crap (which seems to be the hip thing to do) really made a difference, its the fact that at its heart the only thing that was different about Songbird was it being built on a browser...yet most people don't have a desire to surf with their media player.
I'm sorry but you are wrong and here is why: Gearbox is being sued over A:CM because of all those that preordered and got burnt, in fact I bet if you looked at the figures the majority of their sales were preorders and day 1 sales before the reviews hit. There is a video about it and the pushing preorders on The Escapist and I ahve to agree, anybody who preorders anymore is just nuts.
Dude did you see those huge fricking "Balls Of Steel" box sets? I bet they lost a ton on those things, and considering that they have been practically giving the game away just to get the damned game out of the bargain bins? I don't see how they could have made enough to buy a large pizza, I really don't.
Got to give 'em credit, their balls are big and plentiful to pull this shit after blowing that many years jerking off. I don't see how they won't get laughed out of any court, hell they were offering DNF for like $5 less than 3 weeks after it came out, and that was for a new PC box, even Kane & Lynch Dog Days was selling for $19.99 until the third month.
I mean if you just figure up how much they paid for the box sets and special editions if they made fricking bus fare its a miracle, last I checked they were selling that game on Amazon for like a dollar. I played it for 30 minutes on a friend's PC and ya know what? Its not worth a buck, its not even a "fun to laugh at" game like Kane & Lynch or FEAR 3, its just pathetic and boring.
If you think anybody whose name isn't Dupont or Gates will be able to do jack shit about any of this you REALLY haven't been paying attention. It doesn't matter if you choose left or right because THERE IS NO left or right here, its just right and farther right.
And while I agree those that actually give a shit about this whole kayfabe "left/right" lie is just deluding themselves but short of a full on armed insurrection you can give it the hell up, you can wave your little sign in your free speech zone and watch as the elite laugh and send some pitbull cop or PMC to crack your skull.
I can't name it because the name frankly didn't do the movie justice, it was really generic, in fact it was "the fighter"...really? that was the best you could come up with for a boxing movie? And I don't give a rat's ass what he is like in person, I'm not gonna be hanging out with the guy. All I care about is if the story is good and his portrayal of a drug addicted former boxer was VERY good and anybody who has known an addict can tell you he fricking NAILED it.
Didn't see him in that boxing movie he did? Or in that one where he ended up looking like he came from a concentration camp? The man Can act if and ONLY IF he has a director that knows how to push to get what he wants from Bale, otherwise Bale just gives you "default action guy" like in the movies you named.
Dude did you WATCH Terminator 4? The only way they are gonna save that franchise is to bring Arnie back, Bale was laughable in T4 and I swear in parts it sounded like he was doing his batman voice, it was sooo bad, not even in the "so bad its good" but in the "would rather be at the DMV" level of stink.
But you are missing the point, which is why the BD to netburst comparison is apt, in that both chips come from a flawed premise that you could throw a trillion dollars at and it will NEVER work, it would be like saying if you spent enough money on the wings you could flap your arms and fly to Paris, its just never gonna work.
And you are 100% correct in that a designer has to make choices, but that is NOT what happened in either case, unless you consider "throw out everything but a single metric" to be a valid design choice, which as we saw with the P4 and now with the BD it just doesn't work. in the case of the P4 ALL that Intel cared about was the clocks, that's it. They ignored IPC, heat, power, all was thrown by the wayside so that they could have the absolute fastest clock out there but who cares what the clock says it is if you aren't able to use those clocks for useful work?
You are saying with enough time and money they could make it work and I'm pointing out that is impossible because it ignores reality. that is the same problem Intel had with itanic, itanic was a monster chip IF and ONLY IF the compiler was able to line up the instructions on every program perfectly so that it would feed the chip in the way that the VLIW design required, what I'm saying is look at reality. IRL they couldn't come up with a compiler that could feed those instructions perfectly no matter what the code was for, the same goes for the P4 in that a SINGLE cache miss just slaughtered its IPC yet due to the nature of how the majority of programs behave there just isn't enough cache in the world to make sure you never have a cache or branch miss and THAT is what made the P4 ultimately a dead end, there is no way to fix that fundamental flaw.
I mean why do you think that lowly primitive C60, with its weak dual cores and wimpy 1Ghz core speed is able to get a higher score than a P4 running nearly 4 times faster than the C60, even though Passmark is probably compiled with ICC which tends to give the P4 an advantage over AMD chips? Its because IRL you ARE gonna have cache and branch misses and thanks to the much shorter pipeline the C60 doesn't really lose any IPC whereas with the P4 you might as well tie a boat anchor to it if it has a miss. Hell the whole reason they came up with hyperthreading is so they could have a second line going when the first one inevitably stalled!
So there is just no way they could have ever fixed the P4 without throwing out what made it a P4 in the first place, which is those crazy long pipelines. at the end of the day programs simply don't behave in a way that would give the P4 what it needed to get useful work out of the thing, real life just doesn't work that way. You could take any P4 and get them up to 10Ghz and it would still throw on the brakes the second it had a cache miss, that is just what you get when you build pipes that long.
"I believe the puppet on the left shears MY beliefs, well I believe the puppet on the right has MY interests at heart....hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!" Bill Hicks.
The sooner that BOTH sides realize the whole "left/right" bullshit is just kayfabe to keep a handful of "super elites" in power and to force ever larger amounts of the wealth to go to them, your Goldman Sachs, your JP Morgans, you look and no matter if its a D or an R beside the name the same guys keep getting the sweetheart deals, the "too big to fail" heads I win, tails you lose deals, yet too damned many act like there is a difference between the so called left and right...who was it that was caught doing all the exact same spying shit the right was doing recently? So WTF is the difference, one will say nice things while he tramples on you while the other won't? That is like saying you have a choice because you can ask your mugger to wear your choice of sandalwood or wildflower aftershave while he mugs you!
Actually I'd say its worth them fighting for it, frankly ALL creators should have the rights to their work and too often we've bought into this corporate bullshit that turns those that actually write and create into nothing but cogs while the publishers get everything.
I see this as no different than musicians getting screwed out of the rights to their songs, or game devs getting their ideas owned automatically by some big publisher like EA as "the cost of doing business". Well if more people would tell them to fuck right off a hell of a lot of our culture wouldn't be locked behind paywalls for the benefit of a few rich old white guys.
Uhhh...who is having to buy new PSUs and coolers? I bought a bigger PSU not because of the CPU, but because I wanted the option to run dual GPUs down the road and its pretty damned hard to find a PSU under 600w that supports dual PCI-E connectors.
As for the CPU cooler it worked fine, I sold it with an Athlon X4 OEM that I picked up to build a box with, the only reason i went with the Hyper N520 is I LIKE the N520, it is very compact, small enough to fit into a mATX case, yet its quiet enough and cools well enough that I can toss having an exhaust fan and just use the N520. again i didn't HAVE to, the default cooler that comes with the chip works great, i just prefer having heatpipes on my system.
The simple fact is for less than the cost of a gimped Pentium Dual you can get an X4 that WILL beat it in most tests, will only set you back $67 and makes a great basis for a multimedia or even gaming box which you can have for less than the cost of an i3 and board. hell spend just $7 more and you can have 6Mb of cache which isn't a great help in gaming but is nice if you are transcoding, or if you really feel like splurging spend a whole $89 and get an unlocked 6 core which is great for multitasking. Hell just $250 after MIR will get you a whole 6 core system, just slap on the OS and go to town.
I can't do the math for you since i don't know how much electricity costs there but before i bought my 1035T I did the math for mine and the difference in price between the X6 system and the lowest Intel X4 with equal specs would have taken at least 7 years for the difference in electricity to come out in favor of Intel. Over the life of the system you MIGHT save enough to go out for pizza, MAYBE. I'm sorry but unless you are one of those rare people that push a machine to the bleeding limit the math just doesn't work in Intel's favor, sorry.
Not to mention there is a pretty big fucking difference between the cops finding a single JPG in a web browser cache and the fact that you have a 1.7 FRICKING TB PILE sitting right there on your hard drive, don't ya think?
Again it just shows that if you could turn stupidity like the guy above you into electricity? We'd solve the energy crisis tomorrow. I mean this is "getting into a van with a stranger that offers candy" levels of dumbshit, you don't know this guy from the man in the moon, in fact ALL we know about the guy is that he has done several website break ins, so obviously what the law thinks about what he is doing is not something he gives a rat's ass about, yet he is gonna blindly trust to download 1.7TB from this guy, sight unseen, and store it for this fucker just because he SAYS its something good, and he thinks it MIGHT piss off some guy he don't even know who doesn't give a shit about him and whom he never met?
There is stupid and then there is people that need to be kept from breeding because they are the piss in the gene pool, that dumbass is squarely in the latter.
But they already have not one but two products that ARE good, they have Bobcat/Jaguar and they have Liano, and they also have the design for Stars and they have the K8.
The smart move would be to start cranking out Jaguar, Liano, and if its gonna take more than a year to get the new design up use the Stars design because the BD/PD design is expensive as hell and ends up with too many bad chips per run. I don't know if you know this but with that last Thuban chip they had the ENTIRE desktop market able to be covered by a single chip, giving them pretty much 100% yields which made those chips easily the most profitable they had made. If it came out very fast? it was a high end Thuban, those that didn't pass but had 6 good cores were the lower SKUs, if it had a bad core? it was a Phenom X4, bad cache? it was an Athlon X4. As a bonus it gave the value gamers a BIG reason to buy their chips because you had a damned good chance of getting a core unlock so even their lowest SKUs were selling briskly. Hell go look up the Sempron single and see how many bought it just to see if they could unlock to an X2!
This would give them Bobcat for embedded and cheap tablets, Jaguar for low end notebooks and convertibles, Liano for the midrange, and Stars for the desktop value to low midrange since they really don't have a high end chip that can compete. then just as Intel went back to the P3 mobile to make the Core design they could go back to the Athlon64 which was a great chip and with a little tweaking and the smaller processes it would probably be pretty damned competitive. But trying to throw good money after bad by sticking with a design that runs so hot and scores so poorly?
You can't stay in business if the product you are selling costs more for you to make than what people are willing to pay and the amount of bad chips they get with the BD/PD design means to make a profit they have to keep the price of the chips waaay too high. Up until the release of Bulldozer AMD pretty much owned all the "best CPU" lists in the under $200 market which is a pretty damned big market, after they phased out Stars for the BD/PD design? They haven't won a single slot, not one, even the sub $100 chip is now an Intel.
But again you are slapping ever bigger engines in a Pinto, you CAN NOT fix a design as broken as the P4, okay? I mean for fucks sake don't you think that Intel didn't want to piss away all the damned money they had spent on dies and design work for the P4? Of course they didn't but they realized that the entire design was a dead end and couldn't be saved.
The ONLY way your hypothetical chip could work would be if they threw away every defining characteristic of the P4...but it wouldn't be a P4 then, would it? The P4 was designed like a muscle car, big ass pipes, lots of cache, sheer brute force...and it didn't work! You really need to look closely at the P4 arch friend, there was A REASON why they kept adding bigger and bigger AND BIGGER caches to it, its because a cache miss was a fricking train wreck with a pipeline that long, the damned thing will stall every time you turn around, there is a reason why they went back to a pipeline that was less than half that of the P4, its because long pipeline chips don't fucking work well man!
Seriously do some research on the history of the P4, especially the last couple of years. Look at tejas, which was a reported 6Ghz P4 they had running in the lab, ready for the fab...they threw away ALL that work, why? With tejas they had a chip that was nearly 2.4Ghz faster than anything on the market! The answer was simple, with such a huge fricking pipeline that 6Ghz meant jack and shit and even with them putting a monster cache and cranking the living shit out of the speed they just couldn't fix what at its core was a fundamental flaw of the P4, the huge pipelines required to get it to scale.
Again we are seeing the exact same thing at AMD, only for them while Intel was all about speed above all for AMD its cores above all, but to squeeze that many cores per die and not have the chips be the size of a pack of smokes they had to primitive the shit out of the design,leaving pretty much only a primitive integer core with all the front end being shared between core modules...again it just doesn't work, they can crank the living fuck out of the clocks until hell freezes over, they WILL be curbstomped by the Intel and this is from somebody that builds AMD exclusively but I know a turkey when i see one, the P4 was a turkey and the BD/PD arch is a turkey.
Uhhh...yay? If you are using them for glorified grunt work (which more and more seems to be the case) then frankly internships SHOULD die out. I mean for the love of Pete even those being trained under the Guild system got enough to fricking survive on while they learned the trade, all the new style internships do is make sure that only those with daddy's CC, who can afford to work for nothing for several years, need apply and that shit stinks.
Yeah it would look different...PCs would be the size of fridges to hold the giant AC unit needed to cool that sucker! And nothing in your argument changes the fact that if you take the most powerful P4 and then increase its marks just as if you had increased it to 10Ghz you would still be scoring LOWER than 35w chips do today.
When you are scoring a shitastic 440 marks at 3.6Ghz magically cranking that chip to 10Ghz isn't gonna give it 10,000 marks, its gonna give it 4 times what it is now which would be around 1350 marks. You are falling for the old MHz myth that raw GHz means shit when it don't, if you managed to get a Pentium 1 up to 20Ghz that wouldn't magically make it do more useful work than a C2Q even though the C2Q would only be running at 1/4th the speed because the C2Q would do more work per cycle than that hyper pumped P2 could EVER do. Again look at the links yourself, look up the Pentium EE chips, those were "golden chips" that were hand picked to be the absolute cream of the crop, the absolute best the P4 had to offer. How did they score? Worse than the chip in my netbook, and that is while belching out over 150w of heat.
Your argument basically boils down to "if you put a big enough motor in it a Pinto could outpull a pickup" while ignoring that there is a lot more to pulling than the motor. The insanely long pipeline made stalls a nightmare for the P4, it cranked out waste heat like you wouldn't believe, and the IPC on it was truly pathetic. You say it isn't fair to compare it to a modern chip? fine compare it to a chip from its time, the Athlon 3800 X2 on this chart. Notice how the P4 based chips are using damned near more power idling than the X2 did under full load? The IPC on those chips are just fricking terrible, I should know as I have one at the shop and its sooo damned sluggish and hot that I'm seriously thinking about replacing this Pentium D with a circa 2004 Sempron single core until I can get another Bobcat board in because the Sempron? actually more snappy than the Pentium D.
So I'm sorry friend but unless you think Intel could come up with some pixie dust to sprinkle on each P4 the extra GHz would have translated into a shitload of heat, useful work? Not so much. BTW just running that Pentium D running ONLY a browser for a couple of hours, even with flash blocked? Its at 143f and as i said it struggles with page loads worse than that old Sempron, its just not a good chip, the whole line just sucked.
What they are calling a "tablet" is a convertible X86 which I'm sorry but that IS a PC. It runs on X86, uses X86 OSes, its just in a different form factor. if you wanted to get that pedantic we'd need separate categories for all in ones, carputers, mini PCs, etc.
As for the whole retarded "The PC is dying ZOMFG!" lets get one thing straight okay? Does everyone say "ZOMFG the housing market is dying, nobody will buy teh houses ever again!" because the housing BUBBLE burst? of course not, that would be stupid. So why is anybody listening to these idiots when from 93-07 the PC market was having a bubble brought about by the MHz wars? The ONLY reason why people were getting rid of their PCs every 3 years is because a 3 year old PC would struggle badly to run then current software. Okay....is that the case now? 3 years ago I was selling Phenom and Athlon triples with a minimum of 3Gb of RAM and a 400Gb HDD...will that struggle to run the latest software? NO! Hell the laptops I was selling 3 years ago were Turion X2s and C2Ds with a couple of GB of RAM and 160GB+ HDDs, more than enough to run what most folks run when they are mobile!
So can we PLEASE stop running articles by morons that couldn't tell their asshole from an iPhone that say "ZOMFG teh PC is dying ZOMFG!" because it is absolute and total BULLSHIT, I have YET to meet a single person that has gotten rid of their PCs for a fucking Android or iPhone or some shitty tablet, the ONLY reason they aren't buying like before is the BUBBLE BURST when they switched from MHz wars to core wars and PCs quickly went from "fast enough" to "How in the hell am I ever gonna stress this thing" when it comes to raw performance. Hell I got one customer doing advanced 3D robotic parts design in Solidworks on a Phenom I X3 he got off me in 09, it works fricking great. The print shop across the street who is having to manipulate these huge images, edit them, and run them through their printers? the secretaries are running Athlon X2s i built, the print guys are running Phenom I X4s, and they are happy as clams with the performance.
The PC market is NOT dying, people are NOT tossing their PCs to fondle some iToy, they simply have soooo much power that nothing they do can stress what they have. The smart ones are doing like me and showing folks both new roles for PCs, such as HTPCs which with so many choices of entertainment on the net are getting REAL popular around here, and by showing businesses how they can save money by throwing out the older power hogs for PCs that use less power, such as all the late model P4s and Pentium Ds I've been changing out for AMD Bobcats, they get better performance than the P4 while having a passively cooled system that uses less under full load than the P4 did at idle.
The PC is going NOWHERE, these idiots just don't know how in the hell to judge the data without their iToys bitchslapping them with the info.
How so? The highest wattage of any part I named is 95w and since they all have C&Q they are all gonna use far less on average. As far as PSU I only have a 600W and the only reason i went that big is that my board supports Crossfire so I wanted to have that option down the road but i could have easily went with a 400w for this X6, maybe less. Finally as for cooling I always use hyper N520s so that wouldn't change no matter what chip i used.
The ONLY way the Intel works out to be a better deal is if and ONLY if you are doing a task that requires so much IPC that nothing less than the fastest possible chip will do, like the guy that was on here the other week doing impact simulations for guard rails. In that case he actually does need the fastest possible chip he can get because he is using every cycle for his work, but for the other 90% of the population that aren't slamming their CPUs to the absolute limit for 8 hours a day? Then even that 65w Athlon X4 will work just fine and you could build a whole system for less than an i3 dual core system with less memory, HDD space, etc.
Again sure if you took say the Pentium D EE and used a bad enough cooler you could get up to 6GHz plus, but how much useful work would you get for that heat? To use a/. car analogy it doesn't matter if you have an engine that can take a high redline if the transmission doesn't turn those revs into speed. I mean look at this comparison using the Pentium 4 661, which was one of the fastest P4 chips they made that wasn't an extreme. You see that C60 that scores 2 marks higher? That is a 1GHz netbook chip that uses a grand total of...9 watts. A 9 watt netbook chip scores higher than one of the fastest MHz P4s that was ever made.
So I'm sorry but reaching 10GHz really wouldn't help when the IPC is THAT bad, if the passmark stayed relative to speed you'd be scoring around 1300 marks at 10Ghz, which would be equal to a 4 year old Athlon X2 at a blistering...2.5Ghz. This is the same problem that AMD is now suffering from, their BD/PD design just doesn't have good IPC and cranking up the speed is just gonna bring it from bad to okay, and the amount of heat you'll have to deal with really isn't worth it.
Wow, a 4 digit...didn't know any of you guys were still around;-)
But in this case you are wrong ancient one, and here is why: Like the BD/PD design the netburst design had a fundamental flaw, in the case of netburst it was that long ass pipeline that made stalls nasty and the fact that the chip never had great IPC to begin with. I mean you can take pretty much any of the Pentium D 8xx chips and hit 4GHz and yet a C2D clocked at less than half of that will curbstomp it and in the case of the i3s it'll curbstomp it while using less under load than the 8xx used at idle.
You see what Intel found out was that raw clocks for clocks sake meant jack and shit if that high clock didn't translate into useful work, or IPC, and the cost of power and cooling to those monsters got to the point people didn't want 'em. Not that I can blame 'em, i have a Pentium D 805 running in the shop while I decide whether its worth the trouble to try to find a socket AM2 board for this ULV Athlon X2 or to say fuck it and just get a Bobcat board and the damned thing will often hit over 143f on light loads and idles at 135f So having the Pentiums hit higher clocks really wouldn't have helped, the design was flawed to begin with. if you don't believe me starmicro has the Pentium D Extreme Editions for $75, grab one of those suckers and a hell of a cooler and you'll probably hit 5.5Ghz...and still get curbstomped by a 3GHz i series or Phenom II X2, because without the IPC to back it up the clock doesn't mean shit.
That is the problem AMD has now, the "half core" design has really shitty IPC (in fact you have to have a 1GHz overclock compared to the Phenom II to beat the Stars arch with the BD arch) and instead of accepting that and going back to the drawing board they are just cranking the shit out of the clock which again gets you into crazy temps and power draw. I mean who would even want a 220w CPU, when a chip drawing half the power in the Intel camp will beat it? Hell I build exclusively AMD but I won't even mess with the 140w because of the heat, i don't even want to know how much heat a 220w CPU would crank, even with liquid cooling the amount of waste heat that thing is gonna generate will just be unreal.
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If it costs just 10c its STILL stupid and wasteful, okay? Just because a dumb thing can be done cheaply doesn't keep it from being a dumb thing, especially when others have pointed out a VERY obvious way to get the benefit without the stupidity, and that is putting the Wifi in the socket NOT in the bulb. This would keep the electronics farther away from the heat, let you build a better antenna because you'll have more room, it just makes a hell of a lot more sense to just put it in the socket than it does in the bulb.
Personally I'd go one better and put it in the switch, as most wall mounts are in hallways anyway, putting it in the switch gives you an easy manual override (the switch itself) and since one switchplate can have 2 or 3 light controls you could use less chips by having one master control say 4 switches and cut the cost down further.
I'll get hate for pointing this out but then again common sense seems to be poison to the politically correct, but if most of your troubles are coming from one group, how about keeping more of the group from coming over and keeping a closer eye on the ones you got, how about that?
I'm sure the PC crowd will scream racial profiling and wet their panties but if most of your trouble is coming from the a certain demographic then why in the fuck should we waste 4 times the effort just to make sure the groups which AREN'T causing shit get as much or more scrutiny? Then is as fucking retarded as blocking the law in AZ from stopping Latinos looking for illegals by screaming racial profiling...what kind of illegals you think you are gonna get coming over a border with Mexico, Russians?
The simple fact is the rest of the religions have by and large grown the fuck up and the dangerous nutballs within those religions (like the WBC for example) are treated as what they are, dangerous nutballs, instead of being sheltered and aided as we have seen time and time again with the mosques preaching jihad. And before i hear that "religion of peace" bullshit I leave you with some of the words of the Koran and remind everyone unlike the other religions that have denounced the nastier parts of their books like pro slavery and racism passages again this has NOT happened yet with Islam..
Quran 4:89: They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. Quran 8:12: Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; Quran 2:191: kill the disbelievers wherever we find them Quran 22:19-22: for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods. Quran 8:12: Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes. Quran 8:7: Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: Wipe the infidels out to the last. Quran 8:59: The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy. Quran 8:60: Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you. Quran 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. Quran 47:4: Strike off the heads of the disbelievers and, after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.
Ya know what? if your fat overweight ass gets into the ring against the heavyweight champ, do you REALLY think you can win just because you are such a fucking wonderful human being? Really? Because if so i have some swamp land you would be interested in.
You have an entire system built around the concept of giving a handful of elites ever more money, do you HONESTLY think your dumb ass is gonna come up with some brilliant fucking plan they haven't already thought of? there is brave and then there is fucking retarded, you sir are the latter. What are you gonna do, wave you little sign? Who is gonna see it, they own the stations moron! Fuck look at Ron Paul, even with all his net celebrity he was "He who shall not be named" by the MSM, Jon Stewart, who like me doesn't even care for libertarians, made a video of clips just showing how many tapdances they did to make sure nobody said his name, even so far as saying the first, second, and FOURTH place finishers and for the entire broadcast making God damned sure the world never knew there was a third place, much less who won it!
So unless you are ready to go full bore armed insurrection? You are just wasting your fucking time, you will do exactly jack and shit. Hell BOTH PARTIES are for fascism, what the fuck are you gonna do, third parties have NEVER done shit in this country and the MSM beats the peasants with the "third parties are wasted votes" meme so much most would NEVER vote for a third party, so already you have no fucking way to even get somebody in a position to do diddly fuck, okay?
Maybe you should watch a helpful educational video to see how all you will be doing by trying to work with a corrupted system is to HELP ENABLE that system, why will it never work? Because its fucking corrupted, duh! Your argument is NO DIFFERENT than if you play enough hands of three card monty you will come out ahead...no you won't, because you can't win a rigged game by playing more rigged games!!
Red herring and frankly a lame excuse, we lose more people to car wrecks in your average year and if they really gave a rat's ass about that we wouldn't have a border so pointless you could drive a nuke through the thing and which is largely controlled by drug cartels.
Nope if 9/11 wouldn't have happened it would have been something else, from COINTELPRO to Iran Contra the government has been getting nastier by the year, 9/11 simply gave them a way to slam on the accelerator and get away with doing it all at once instead of a little here and a little there. It no coincidence that the USA no longer has any left wing, just right and extreme right, the elite learned from the mistakes of Nixon and bought up all the MSM so that anyone who isn't already on the payroll might as well be invisible.
I do have to say it did give me a bit of schadenfreude to see so many have their bubbles burst by finding or Mr "Yes we can!" was really "Yes we can! (But I won't) " while it amazes me how many sign the little petitions and still buy the bullshit when its ALL just kayfabe. Its like what Ventura said after being in politics, that just like pro wrestling when the camera is on you play up how much you hate the other guy and when the camera is off? you are both having lunch together and laughing about it.
So I'm sure I'll get hate for saying this by those that still by the bullshit but I hate to break the news to ya, but you CAN NOT fix a corrupted system by working within that system, why? Because its corrupted silly! You can sign your little petitions and wave your little cardboard signs in the free speech zone 20 blocks from the cameras, they will just laugh and keep doing what they are doing. After all what are you gonna do, fire them? Then they get a cushy lobbying job and one of their frat bros get to play politician for a few years, big deal.
I used it for awhile and...meh. The Gecko engine really doesn't work great in this case, it always felt sluggish, and the few features it had frankly was done better in other players.
So I don't think that adding social crap (which seems to be the hip thing to do) really made a difference, its the fact that at its heart the only thing that was different about Songbird was it being built on a browser...yet most people don't have a desire to surf with their media player.
I'm sorry but you are wrong and here is why: Gearbox is being sued over A:CM because of all those that preordered and got burnt, in fact I bet if you looked at the figures the majority of their sales were preorders and day 1 sales before the reviews hit. There is a video about it and the pushing preorders on The Escapist and I ahve to agree, anybody who preorders anymore is just nuts.
Dude did you see those huge fricking "Balls Of Steel" box sets? I bet they lost a ton on those things, and considering that they have been practically giving the game away just to get the damned game out of the bargain bins? I don't see how they could have made enough to buy a large pizza, I really don't.
Got to give 'em credit, their balls are big and plentiful to pull this shit after blowing that many years jerking off. I don't see how they won't get laughed out of any court, hell they were offering DNF for like $5 less than 3 weeks after it came out, and that was for a new PC box, even Kane & Lynch Dog Days was selling for $19.99 until the third month.
I mean if you just figure up how much they paid for the box sets and special editions if they made fricking bus fare its a miracle, last I checked they were selling that game on Amazon for like a dollar. I played it for 30 minutes on a friend's PC and ya know what? Its not worth a buck, its not even a "fun to laugh at" game like Kane & Lynch or FEAR 3, its just pathetic and boring.
If you think anybody whose name isn't Dupont or Gates will be able to do jack shit about any of this you REALLY haven't been paying attention. It doesn't matter if you choose left or right because THERE IS NO left or right here, its just right and farther right.
And while I agree those that actually give a shit about this whole kayfabe "left/right" lie is just deluding themselves but short of a full on armed insurrection you can give it the hell up, you can wave your little sign in your free speech zone and watch as the elite laugh and send some pitbull cop or PMC to crack your skull.
I can't name it because the name frankly didn't do the movie justice, it was really generic, in fact it was "the fighter"...really? that was the best you could come up with for a boxing movie? And I don't give a rat's ass what he is like in person, I'm not gonna be hanging out with the guy. All I care about is if the story is good and his portrayal of a drug addicted former boxer was VERY good and anybody who has known an addict can tell you he fricking NAILED it.
Didn't see him in that boxing movie he did? Or in that one where he ended up looking like he came from a concentration camp? The man Can act if and ONLY IF he has a director that knows how to push to get what he wants from Bale, otherwise Bale just gives you "default action guy" like in the movies you named.
Dude did you WATCH Terminator 4? The only way they are gonna save that franchise is to bring Arnie back, Bale was laughable in T4 and I swear in parts it sounded like he was doing his batman voice, it was sooo bad, not even in the "so bad its good" but in the "would rather be at the DMV" level of stink.
But you are missing the point, which is why the BD to netburst comparison is apt, in that both chips come from a flawed premise that you could throw a trillion dollars at and it will NEVER work, it would be like saying if you spent enough money on the wings you could flap your arms and fly to Paris, its just never gonna work.
And you are 100% correct in that a designer has to make choices, but that is NOT what happened in either case, unless you consider "throw out everything but a single metric" to be a valid design choice, which as we saw with the P4 and now with the BD it just doesn't work. in the case of the P4 ALL that Intel cared about was the clocks, that's it. They ignored IPC, heat, power, all was thrown by the wayside so that they could have the absolute fastest clock out there but who cares what the clock says it is if you aren't able to use those clocks for useful work?
You are saying with enough time and money they could make it work and I'm pointing out that is impossible because it ignores reality. that is the same problem Intel had with itanic, itanic was a monster chip IF and ONLY IF the compiler was able to line up the instructions on every program perfectly so that it would feed the chip in the way that the VLIW design required, what I'm saying is look at reality. IRL they couldn't come up with a compiler that could feed those instructions perfectly no matter what the code was for, the same goes for the P4 in that a SINGLE cache miss just slaughtered its IPC yet due to the nature of how the majority of programs behave there just isn't enough cache in the world to make sure you never have a cache or branch miss and THAT is what made the P4 ultimately a dead end, there is no way to fix that fundamental flaw.
I mean why do you think that lowly primitive C60, with its weak dual cores and wimpy 1Ghz core speed is able to get a higher score than a P4 running nearly 4 times faster than the C60, even though Passmark is probably compiled with ICC which tends to give the P4 an advantage over AMD chips? Its because IRL you ARE gonna have cache and branch misses and thanks to the much shorter pipeline the C60 doesn't really lose any IPC whereas with the P4 you might as well tie a boat anchor to it if it has a miss. Hell the whole reason they came up with hyperthreading is so they could have a second line going when the first one inevitably stalled!
So there is just no way they could have ever fixed the P4 without throwing out what made it a P4 in the first place, which is those crazy long pipelines. at the end of the day programs simply don't behave in a way that would give the P4 what it needed to get useful work out of the thing, real life just doesn't work that way. You could take any P4 and get them up to 10Ghz and it would still throw on the brakes the second it had a cache miss, that is just what you get when you build pipes that long.
"I believe the puppet on the left shears MY beliefs, well I believe the puppet on the right has MY interests at heart....hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!" Bill Hicks.
The sooner that BOTH sides realize the whole "left/right" bullshit is just kayfabe to keep a handful of "super elites" in power and to force ever larger amounts of the wealth to go to them, your Goldman Sachs, your JP Morgans, you look and no matter if its a D or an R beside the name the same guys keep getting the sweetheart deals, the "too big to fail" heads I win, tails you lose deals, yet too damned many act like there is a difference between the so called left and right...who was it that was caught doing all the exact same spying shit the right was doing recently? So WTF is the difference, one will say nice things while he tramples on you while the other won't? That is like saying you have a choice because you can ask your mugger to wear your choice of sandalwood or wildflower aftershave while he mugs you!
Actually I'd say its worth them fighting for it, frankly ALL creators should have the rights to their work and too often we've bought into this corporate bullshit that turns those that actually write and create into nothing but cogs while the publishers get everything.
I see this as no different than musicians getting screwed out of the rights to their songs, or game devs getting their ideas owned automatically by some big publisher like EA as "the cost of doing business". Well if more people would tell them to fuck right off a hell of a lot of our culture wouldn't be locked behind paywalls for the benefit of a few rich old white guys.
Uhhh...who is having to buy new PSUs and coolers? I bought a bigger PSU not because of the CPU, but because I wanted the option to run dual GPUs down the road and its pretty damned hard to find a PSU under 600w that supports dual PCI-E connectors.
As for the CPU cooler it worked fine, I sold it with an Athlon X4 OEM that I picked up to build a box with, the only reason i went with the Hyper N520 is I LIKE the N520, it is very compact, small enough to fit into a mATX case, yet its quiet enough and cools well enough that I can toss having an exhaust fan and just use the N520. again i didn't HAVE to, the default cooler that comes with the chip works great, i just prefer having heatpipes on my system.
The simple fact is for less than the cost of a gimped Pentium Dual you can get an X4 that WILL beat it in most tests, will only set you back $67 and makes a great basis for a multimedia or even gaming box which you can have for less than the cost of an i3 and board. hell spend just $7 more and you can have 6Mb of cache which isn't a great help in gaming but is nice if you are transcoding, or if you really feel like splurging spend a whole $89 and get an unlocked 6 core which is great for multitasking. Hell just $250 after MIR will get you a whole 6 core system, just slap on the OS and go to town.
I can't do the math for you since i don't know how much electricity costs there but before i bought my 1035T I did the math for mine and the difference in price between the X6 system and the lowest Intel X4 with equal specs would have taken at least 7 years for the difference in electricity to come out in favor of Intel. Over the life of the system you MIGHT save enough to go out for pizza, MAYBE. I'm sorry but unless you are one of those rare people that push a machine to the bleeding limit the math just doesn't work in Intel's favor, sorry.
Not to mention there is a pretty big fucking difference between the cops finding a single JPG in a web browser cache and the fact that you have a 1.7 FRICKING TB PILE sitting right there on your hard drive, don't ya think?
Again it just shows that if you could turn stupidity like the guy above you into electricity? We'd solve the energy crisis tomorrow. I mean this is "getting into a van with a stranger that offers candy" levels of dumbshit, you don't know this guy from the man in the moon, in fact ALL we know about the guy is that he has done several website break ins, so obviously what the law thinks about what he is doing is not something he gives a rat's ass about, yet he is gonna blindly trust to download 1.7TB from this guy, sight unseen, and store it for this fucker just because he SAYS its something good, and he thinks it MIGHT piss off some guy he don't even know who doesn't give a shit about him and whom he never met?
There is stupid and then there is people that need to be kept from breeding because they are the piss in the gene pool, that dumbass is squarely in the latter.
But they already have not one but two products that ARE good, they have Bobcat/Jaguar and they have Liano, and they also have the design for Stars and they have the K8.
The smart move would be to start cranking out Jaguar, Liano, and if its gonna take more than a year to get the new design up use the Stars design because the BD/PD design is expensive as hell and ends up with too many bad chips per run. I don't know if you know this but with that last Thuban chip they had the ENTIRE desktop market able to be covered by a single chip, giving them pretty much 100% yields which made those chips easily the most profitable they had made. If it came out very fast? it was a high end Thuban, those that didn't pass but had 6 good cores were the lower SKUs, if it had a bad core? it was a Phenom X4, bad cache? it was an Athlon X4. As a bonus it gave the value gamers a BIG reason to buy their chips because you had a damned good chance of getting a core unlock so even their lowest SKUs were selling briskly. Hell go look up the Sempron single and see how many bought it just to see if they could unlock to an X2!
This would give them Bobcat for embedded and cheap tablets, Jaguar for low end notebooks and convertibles, Liano for the midrange, and Stars for the desktop value to low midrange since they really don't have a high end chip that can compete. then just as Intel went back to the P3 mobile to make the Core design they could go back to the Athlon64 which was a great chip and with a little tweaking and the smaller processes it would probably be pretty damned competitive. But trying to throw good money after bad by sticking with a design that runs so hot and scores so poorly?
You can't stay in business if the product you are selling costs more for you to make than what people are willing to pay and the amount of bad chips they get with the BD/PD design means to make a profit they have to keep the price of the chips waaay too high. Up until the release of Bulldozer AMD pretty much owned all the "best CPU" lists in the under $200 market which is a pretty damned big market, after they phased out Stars for the BD/PD design? They haven't won a single slot, not one, even the sub $100 chip is now an Intel.
But again you are slapping ever bigger engines in a Pinto, you CAN NOT fix a design as broken as the P4, okay? I mean for fucks sake don't you think that Intel didn't want to piss away all the damned money they had spent on dies and design work for the P4? Of course they didn't but they realized that the entire design was a dead end and couldn't be saved.
The ONLY way your hypothetical chip could work would be if they threw away every defining characteristic of the P4...but it wouldn't be a P4 then, would it? The P4 was designed like a muscle car, big ass pipes, lots of cache, sheer brute force...and it didn't work! You really need to look closely at the P4 arch friend, there was A REASON why they kept adding bigger and bigger AND BIGGER caches to it, its because a cache miss was a fricking train wreck with a pipeline that long, the damned thing will stall every time you turn around, there is a reason why they went back to a pipeline that was less than half that of the P4, its because long pipeline chips don't fucking work well man!
Seriously do some research on the history of the P4, especially the last couple of years. Look at tejas, which was a reported 6Ghz P4 they had running in the lab, ready for the fab...they threw away ALL that work, why? With tejas they had a chip that was nearly 2.4Ghz faster than anything on the market! The answer was simple, with such a huge fricking pipeline that 6Ghz meant jack and shit and even with them putting a monster cache and cranking the living shit out of the speed they just couldn't fix what at its core was a fundamental flaw of the P4, the huge pipelines required to get it to scale.
Again we are seeing the exact same thing at AMD, only for them while Intel was all about speed above all for AMD its cores above all, but to squeeze that many cores per die and not have the chips be the size of a pack of smokes they had to primitive the shit out of the design,leaving pretty much only a primitive integer core with all the front end being shared between core modules...again it just doesn't work, they can crank the living fuck out of the clocks until hell freezes over, they WILL be curbstomped by the Intel and this is from somebody that builds AMD exclusively but I know a turkey when i see one, the P4 was a turkey and the BD/PD arch is a turkey.
Uhhh...yay? If you are using them for glorified grunt work (which more and more seems to be the case) then frankly internships SHOULD die out. I mean for the love of Pete even those being trained under the Guild system got enough to fricking survive on while they learned the trade, all the new style internships do is make sure that only those with daddy's CC, who can afford to work for nothing for several years, need apply and that shit stinks.
Yeah it would look different...PCs would be the size of fridges to hold the giant AC unit needed to cool that sucker! And nothing in your argument changes the fact that if you take the most powerful P4 and then increase its marks just as if you had increased it to 10Ghz you would still be scoring LOWER than 35w chips do today.
When you are scoring a shitastic 440 marks at 3.6Ghz magically cranking that chip to 10Ghz isn't gonna give it 10,000 marks, its gonna give it 4 times what it is now which would be around 1350 marks. You are falling for the old MHz myth that raw GHz means shit when it don't, if you managed to get a Pentium 1 up to 20Ghz that wouldn't magically make it do more useful work than a C2Q even though the C2Q would only be running at 1/4th the speed because the C2Q would do more work per cycle than that hyper pumped P2 could EVER do. Again look at the links yourself, look up the Pentium EE chips, those were "golden chips" that were hand picked to be the absolute cream of the crop, the absolute best the P4 had to offer. How did they score? Worse than the chip in my netbook, and that is while belching out over 150w of heat.
Your argument basically boils down to "if you put a big enough motor in it a Pinto could outpull a pickup" while ignoring that there is a lot more to pulling than the motor. The insanely long pipeline made stalls a nightmare for the P4, it cranked out waste heat like you wouldn't believe, and the IPC on it was truly pathetic. You say it isn't fair to compare it to a modern chip? fine compare it to a chip from its time, the Athlon 3800 X2 on this chart. Notice how the P4 based chips are using damned near more power idling than the X2 did under full load? The IPC on those chips are just fricking terrible, I should know as I have one at the shop and its sooo damned sluggish and hot that I'm seriously thinking about replacing this Pentium D with a circa 2004 Sempron single core until I can get another Bobcat board in because the Sempron? actually more snappy than the Pentium D.
So I'm sorry friend but unless you think Intel could come up with some pixie dust to sprinkle on each P4 the extra GHz would have translated into a shitload of heat, useful work? Not so much. BTW just running that Pentium D running ONLY a browser for a couple of hours, even with flash blocked? Its at 143f and as i said it struggles with page loads worse than that old Sempron, its just not a good chip, the whole line just sucked.
What they are calling a "tablet" is a convertible X86 which I'm sorry but that IS a PC. It runs on X86, uses X86 OSes, its just in a different form factor. if you wanted to get that pedantic we'd need separate categories for all in ones, carputers, mini PCs, etc.
As for the whole retarded "The PC is dying ZOMFG!" lets get one thing straight okay? Does everyone say "ZOMFG the housing market is dying, nobody will buy teh houses ever again!" because the housing BUBBLE burst? of course not, that would be stupid. So why is anybody listening to these idiots when from 93-07 the PC market was having a bubble brought about by the MHz wars? The ONLY reason why people were getting rid of their PCs every 3 years is because a 3 year old PC would struggle badly to run then current software. Okay....is that the case now? 3 years ago I was selling Phenom and Athlon triples with a minimum of 3Gb of RAM and a 400Gb HDD...will that struggle to run the latest software? NO! Hell the laptops I was selling 3 years ago were Turion X2s and C2Ds with a couple of GB of RAM and 160GB+ HDDs, more than enough to run what most folks run when they are mobile!
So can we PLEASE stop running articles by morons that couldn't tell their asshole from an iPhone that say "ZOMFG teh PC is dying ZOMFG!" because it is absolute and total BULLSHIT, I have YET to meet a single person that has gotten rid of their PCs for a fucking Android or iPhone or some shitty tablet, the ONLY reason they aren't buying like before is the BUBBLE BURST when they switched from MHz wars to core wars and PCs quickly went from "fast enough" to "How in the hell am I ever gonna stress this thing" when it comes to raw performance. Hell I got one customer doing advanced 3D robotic parts design in Solidworks on a Phenom I X3 he got off me in 09, it works fricking great. The print shop across the street who is having to manipulate these huge images, edit them, and run them through their printers? the secretaries are running Athlon X2s i built, the print guys are running Phenom I X4s, and they are happy as clams with the performance.
The PC market is NOT dying, people are NOT tossing their PCs to fondle some iToy, they simply have soooo much power that nothing they do can stress what they have. The smart ones are doing like me and showing folks both new roles for PCs, such as HTPCs which with so many choices of entertainment on the net are getting REAL popular around here, and by showing businesses how they can save money by throwing out the older power hogs for PCs that use less power, such as all the late model P4s and Pentium Ds I've been changing out for AMD Bobcats, they get better performance than the P4 while having a passively cooled system that uses less under full load than the P4 did at idle.
The PC is going NOWHERE, these idiots just don't know how in the hell to judge the data without their iToys bitchslapping them with the info.
How so? The highest wattage of any part I named is 95w and since they all have C&Q they are all gonna use far less on average. As far as PSU I only have a 600W and the only reason i went that big is that my board supports Crossfire so I wanted to have that option down the road but i could have easily went with a 400w for this X6, maybe less. Finally as for cooling I always use hyper N520s so that wouldn't change no matter what chip i used.
The ONLY way the Intel works out to be a better deal is if and ONLY if you are doing a task that requires so much IPC that nothing less than the fastest possible chip will do, like the guy that was on here the other week doing impact simulations for guard rails. In that case he actually does need the fastest possible chip he can get because he is using every cycle for his work, but for the other 90% of the population that aren't slamming their CPUs to the absolute limit for 8 hours a day? Then even that 65w Athlon X4 will work just fine and you could build a whole system for less than an i3 dual core system with less memory, HDD space, etc.
Again sure if you took say the Pentium D EE and used a bad enough cooler you could get up to 6GHz plus, but how much useful work would you get for that heat? To use a /. car analogy it doesn't matter if you have an engine that can take a high redline if the transmission doesn't turn those revs into speed. I mean look at this comparison using the Pentium 4 661, which was one of the fastest P4 chips they made that wasn't an extreme. You see that C60 that scores 2 marks higher? That is a 1GHz netbook chip that uses a grand total of...9 watts. A 9 watt netbook chip scores higher than one of the fastest MHz P4s that was ever made.
So I'm sorry but reaching 10GHz really wouldn't help when the IPC is THAT bad, if the passmark stayed relative to speed you'd be scoring around 1300 marks at 10Ghz, which would be equal to a 4 year old Athlon X2 at a blistering...2.5Ghz. This is the same problem that AMD is now suffering from, their BD/PD design just doesn't have good IPC and cranking up the speed is just gonna bring it from bad to okay, and the amount of heat you'll have to deal with really isn't worth it.
Wow, a 4 digit...didn't know any of you guys were still around ;-)
But in this case you are wrong ancient one, and here is why: Like the BD/PD design the netburst design had a fundamental flaw, in the case of netburst it was that long ass pipeline that made stalls nasty and the fact that the chip never had great IPC to begin with. I mean you can take pretty much any of the Pentium D 8xx chips and hit 4GHz and yet a C2D clocked at less than half of that will curbstomp it and in the case of the i3s it'll curbstomp it while using less under load than the 8xx used at idle.
You see what Intel found out was that raw clocks for clocks sake meant jack and shit if that high clock didn't translate into useful work, or IPC, and the cost of power and cooling to those monsters got to the point people didn't want 'em. Not that I can blame 'em, i have a Pentium D 805 running in the shop while I decide whether its worth the trouble to try to find a socket AM2 board for this ULV Athlon X2 or to say fuck it and just get a Bobcat board and the damned thing will often hit over 143f on light loads and idles at 135f So having the Pentiums hit higher clocks really wouldn't have helped, the design was flawed to begin with. if you don't believe me starmicro has the Pentium D Extreme Editions for $75, grab one of those suckers and a hell of a cooler and you'll probably hit 5.5Ghz...and still get curbstomped by a 3GHz i series or Phenom II X2, because without the IPC to back it up the clock doesn't mean shit.
That is the problem AMD has now, the "half core" design has really shitty IPC (in fact you have to have a 1GHz overclock compared to the Phenom II to beat the Stars arch with the BD arch) and instead of accepting that and going back to the drawing board they are just cranking the shit out of the clock which again gets you into crazy temps and power draw. I mean who would even want a 220w CPU, when a chip drawing half the power in the Intel camp will beat it? Hell I build exclusively AMD but I won't even mess with the 140w because of the heat, i don't even want to know how much heat a 220w CPU would crank, even with liquid cooling the amount of waste heat that thing is gonna generate will just be unreal.