Sadly it wouldn't help friend. read the article by the AMD engineer i linked to, they knew 2 years before Bulldozer there was a serious flaw in the design, the "half core" design requires BOTH the Operating System AND the programs to all be designed with that in mind and even then it will only give a boost in certain niche applications.
The simple fact of the matter is just as Netburst went for raw speed above all with the BD/PD design they made MUCH more primitive cores and thought they could make up for the primitive design by just adding more of them but most programs just won't scale. Even games benefit from having one really powerful core to run the main thread and weaker threads for AI,Sound, etc but the BD/PD design instead has a primitive core that is really only good at integer loads, the second you start adding floating point its gonna bog down.
At the end of the day the BD/PD design is really only good for servers and even then only in certain roles, with desktops and laptops we run just too many FP programs and single threaded programs for very simple weak integer heavy cores to work. This is why they keep cranking the clocks, hoping they can boost the speed enough to make up for that shortcoming but to use a car analogy that would be like saying if you just push this Pinto really REALLY hard it'll keep up with a Porsche, its just not gonna work. hell they have to go for a full 1Ghz higher clock just to beat the Thuban chips which were already not equal to the i7, there is no way in hell they can get the clock high enough to make a half core compete with a full core, its just not gonna work.
Dude, now you are just being a douche, you really are. Your argument would be like saying "You can't compare any boat sinking to Titanic because that boat wasn't built before 1920!" and it really makes you sound like a pedantic dick, it really does.
As another pointed out Intel did NOT keep adding ever more pipelines to netburst, they just kept ramping up the speed because they didn't have the IPC, with a 5GHz on their roadmap before they pulled the plug. Likewise Amd is ramping up the speed because they don't have the IPC and as other have already pointed out you get THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM you had with netburst, the more you crank the clock on an already inefficient design the more waste power and heat you are gonna have. Intel ended up into 150w territory before they finally gave up on netburst, AMD went from 65w-95w with Athlon64 to now 140W+ and soon to be 220w and again they, just like netburst, are blinding trying to fix the fundamental flaws with the arch by simply cranking up the clocks.
So I'm sorry but everyone else can see the analogy, i could wallpaper this post with websites where tech editors make the exact same comparison to netburst, so if you think the ONLY way anything could be like netburst is by adding a 31 stage pipeline? Well you're just being a dick for the sake of arguing, please stop wasting everyone's time being a pedantic ass.
Meh they'll sell a few to those that have to have the biggest ePeen, most won't give a shit. Hell why do you think Intel and AMD have both seen the PC sales drop so much? I can tell it it AIN'T because of tablets or phones, its because all these PCs became so insanely overpowered that they spend most their their time twiddling their thumbs, its like telling a guy he should spend $100K+ on this turbocharged funny car when he already has a funny car and all he is using it for is to drive to the store, its really just overkill for the vast majority.
I mean what do the vast majority use these desktops and laptops FOR anyway? they surf, watch videos, play a few games, that is it, that's all. hell any C2D or Athlon X2 can do these jobs with cycles left over yet these companies just keep building ever more powerful when the programs simply don't use the power we have. So while I can see why they are doing it, to have as many bullet points as they can, honestly? I bet there isn't even 5% of laptop users that would find this a big enough improvement to go shell out the big bux to get this feature.
The reason for that is simple, the people are conditioned from an early age NOT to think. I mean its no surprise to me that those I have met who were home schooled had better critical thinking skills and were quicker to spot the bullshit than those that went to public school. Because I was lucky enough not to have to go to most of junior high and high school (bike wreck kept me out of junior and the coach finding out I read Asimov the first day of HS ended up with me teaching my own class for 4 years to help jocks pass minimum requirements while the "classes" I was supposed to take just gave me straight As) I got to see both sides of the fence and they might as well call public school "Conform and obey" because that is all they are really teaching.
Its like the old George Carlin bit "things will never get better, know why? Because the owners of this country don't want it to get better! Think they want adults that can think and reason? No they want obedient workers, who will take worse working conditions, less pay, who have just enough sense to be shown how to push the buttons but never capable of asking why their lives sucks, the entire system is built around this".
But if you want to know why people keeping "falling" for this all it takes is to walk inside the home of your average voter. I would walk into the homes of my boy's friends to pick them up and I would be shocked, not a single book in the house, the kids being babysat by game consoles, and mom and/or dad staring with a blank expression at the idiot box. It was sad to see how little thinking actually goes on in the average household, the only hope I have is more and more of the young and young adults are turning to computers to get information...probably why they are monitoring everyone, so they can spot them "dangerous thinking types".
It just shows that if you could turn stupid people into electricity you'd solve the energy problem tomorrow.
I mean do i personally give a wet fuck if after it was pointed out you could be downloading anything, state secrets, child porn, terrorist crap that could get you several years in PMITA prison, that some retard goes "huh huh, I'll download it anyway, just to show I'm retarded huh huh"? Nope, not my IP address that will trace back to it, not my hard drive it will be found on, I won't be the one looking at time so i really don't give a fuck, zero fucks to give here.
Hell if you "really want to show me" why don't you go download some CP and visit some terrorist websites, boy I bet that would really show me who is boss huh...dumbass.
Never had one of the Intel Pentium D 9xx chips have you? Sure with speedstep they would idle nicely but every time you actually tried using the thing the temps would just shoot through the roof and if you wanted decent performance out of the system you pretty much had to OC. Having the CPU alone hitting 140F even with a cooler with a copper center? Not much fun, especially in the summer.
I had a box with the Pentium D 805 and just to see how big a difference it would make swapped it for the 915, know what I found? It wasn't even worth the whole $8 difference to swap the 805s for 915s because while idle naturally was lower, if the system is gonna be idling all the time? Frankly you might as well turn it off. When you began to actually use the thing the temps would shoot back up to the same as the 805 so it really wasn't worth the bother to switch.
Low idle temps is all well and good but most of the things you are gonna be doing won't leave the system idling and THAT is when those hotter chips really become a PITA.
Yeah but how much was the 4 core Intel? And you can probably buy that 8 core for $150 or less now if you watch the sales. I'm running the Thuban X6 and what did 6 cores cost me? $105 shipped, if you compare like to like the only chip I could get from Intel at $105 was the Pentium Dual core which the X6 outperforms so in that case the bang for the buck squarely landed in the AMD camp.
The problem with the X8s (well other than the arch, see my previous post with a link on why the BD/PD/EX platform is AMD's netburst) is they simply cost too much to make, for every X8 that comes out with all functioning core they probably get 2 dozen X4s or X6s thanks to bad cores so THAT is where the bang for the buck is, although if given a choice I'd take a Deneb or Thuban over Bulldozer any day of the week.
But if you are strictly wanting the most bang for your bucks and like most of us don't have unlimited budgets the best bets would probably be the Athlon X4 for $67 although for an extra $8 I'd probably go for the Phenom II X4 for $75 and for more than 4 cores the best bang is probably the FX6100 for $99 or the Phenom II 1035T X6 for $106. I think in the benches the Thuban beats the FX6100 but both are good deals. Nice thing about the 1035T is I have one and have sold several and with a low end gaming board like the Asrock boards they have a hell of a lot of OCing room, before deciding I didn't want to deal with the temps I had mine up to nearly 3GHz with a turbocore of nearly 3.5GHz. I probably could have gone higher with a better cooler but my apt gets hot enough as it is without adding a major OC to my system.
As you can see though you can still get crazy cheap deals on the AMD side if you just know where to look. These chips have more than enough power to do anything your average person is gonna want to do with a PC, heck my youngest is gaming on a 3.4Ghz Athlon X3 and is quite happy with the performance and with my 1035T I can game AND do a transcode AND burn a DVD at the same time with no slow downs so I would say I'm getting my $105 out of it.
I would urge those that wonder WTF AMD is doing copying all the old mistakes Intel did with netburst to read this post by a former employee who lays out exactly why this is happening, the former CEO did the usual Wall street move of slash and burn, get a stock bounce, and cash out.
They are stuck with the Netburst that is Bulldozer/Piledriver/Suckavator or whatever other names they want to give it because the former CEO FIRED everybody that knew how to make a chip over there and replaced them with computer layouts which as you can see blow through power like shit through a goose while giving worse performance on a per watt basis than the previous Stars arch.
This isn't coming from some Intel fanboy, I own and sell nothing but AMD at the shop, but when I can no longer get Stars and Liano chips I'm gonna have to seriously look at Intel because these new designs just suuuuck. There is a good reason why you don't see Thuban chips in most benchmarks against the new chips, its because if you matched clock for clock the Thubans and Denebs will win. That is pretty damned sad, when your old chips are actually better while using less power but the CEO they had closed down production of all the Stars cores (again to get a stock bounce and cash out) so there really is no plan B here.
I just hope the game console chips can give them enough operating capital to keep them afloat while hopefully the new chip designer they hired, the same one that did the Athlon64 and the Apple A6, can come up with a new design to make AMD at least kinda competitive. Until then I'll hang onto to AM3+ and Stars as long as I can and then start looking at the i3s and i5s.
Nope, sorry, not buying it, that is a "blame the victim" excuse and any investigation shows it just doesn't hold water. Even though I'm as anti libertarian as they come (I personally believe libertarians come in two flavors, one that wants a government to whip the slaves and the other wants to have no government so they can hire goons to whip the slaves) look up "Jon Stewart Ron Paul" to see just how rigged our primaries are, in that video Stewart (who is also not libertarian) shows clip after clip of the MSM practically jumping through flaming hoops to make sure NOBODY says a damned word about Paul, the entire MSM went to great pains to make sure he was never heard. One reporter even gets annoyed and says to the anchor "We are sitting here going on and on about Christie and Palin, who aren't even running, and we haven't said a word about Paul who is doing well in the polls here" and the anchor I swear looks right at the camera, gets a douchebag smirk, and says "If you get any footage of Christie or Palin send it in, you can keep the Paul stuff", I swear the rigging was THAT bad, and when you add in the Alex Jones video showing the voice vote against Paul at the RNC had the teleprompter showing the results before the vote was even called?
So I'm sorry but saying "the people chose" is like saying that if they show up to enough matches pro wrestling will become real...its not gonna happen, the results are decided before you ever get into the booth, your "choice" is corporate shill A or B and that is all you will EVER get because the two party system? Its just a sham,it lets the old money interests keep taking more for themselves while giving the illusion that the masses have a say when the "choice" is whether you'd prefer your mugger to wear the wildflower or sandalwood aftershave while they rob you.
Then I'm sorry but you sir are ignorant, again you have NO CLUE what is in this shit, could be state secrets, could be a huge cache of kiddie porn, you have ZERO way of knowing WTF it is except by taking this guy's word at face value...do YOU know this guy? Because I sure as hell don't, not enough to know whether he is telling the truth, just being a dick because he can be, hell we've had an asshole on this very site use links to child porn like a fucking rickroll just because they were douchebags and thought that was funny.
If it turned out to be something nasty i doubt seriously any court is gonna believe you downloaded THAT much shit without even the tiniest clue as to what it is just for the hell of it, that would be a seriously hard sell to any jury, so WTF would make you want to take that risk for some douchebag you wouldn't know if you ran into on the street?
Again you have NO idea what you are getting into, NO clue as to what the contents are, you could be opening yourself up to years in PMITA prison and for what? What do you possibly gain by giving this asshole 1.7TB of storage for his shit on your PC?
You are trying to sell your band to the world and get taken seriously as female musicians...so you make your site look like a 15 year old twitard chick's fanfic page? Really?
I've played with many a female musician (no pun intended) and they would frankly be insulted by this shit, their site just screams "I'm a girly girl with titties but no brains, giggle giggle" that it really does a disservice to female musicians because all it does is reinforce that stereotype.
Nic Cage got his ass ripped off by one of one of those stock brokers, may have been old Bernie, all i know is he got his accounts pretty much cleaned out and now will take just about anything that has a decent paycheck.
Oh and if you want a good chuckle? Turns out Will Smith turned down Django to start in After Earth, just like how he turned down the Matrix to star in Wild Wild West, so pretty much anybody can pick a clunker. But there are just some actors, Sandler, Schneider, Vaughn, that just seem to have the worst taste in projects or are simply taking everything with a paycheck. They are a part of a handful of actors that you can see at least have a decent amount of talent that just choose bomb after bomb after bomb, frankly I don't know how they keep getting work, especially Sandler. I mean Jack & Jill and That's My Boy (which one reviewer said "The whole joke is "ha ha ha pedophilia funny" which of course the answer is no it isn't and you are a sick man for thinking it is) should have completely torpedoed any chance of doing another movie, yet last I heard he had like 3 movies coming up.
All I can figure is that they are doing comedies and the studios are all run by rich old white guys that know they "Don't get what them hep cats kids think is funny" so they just greenlight it without even bothering to look at the script. Again that is the only way I can see how something like That's My Boy could even get made, I mean who would think having a kid that looks 12 molested by a 30 year old teacher would be comedy gold? BTW if you haven't seen it you should look up some YouTube clips just to see how unfunny that shit is, I'd rank it up there with "Heil Honey I'm Home" for worst premise to make a comedy out of. Give Vaughn at least that much credit, he has been making dumb movies but at least they aren't offensive, just moronic.
I don't know, call me weird but I prefer honesty, I find it sad to see those people hanging onto this false hope and expecting THIS time, this time it will be different...it reminds me of those battered wives that keep buying the "Oh I've changed" bullshit.
What? Who in the fuck is soooo damned retarded they will download 1.7 fricking TB of data that is completely fucking useless because its encrypted? Hell how in the fuck do you know this isn't just his way of railing against the possession laws by seeing how many dumb fucks he can get to download child pron huh?
You have NO idea, ZERO, what the fuck is in this stuff, you only have the word of one single person who is already an admitted criminal who has broken into countless companies, caused who knows how many people to have to deal with the "fun"of having to replace their credit cards, and we are just supposed to take his word for it? There is stupid and then there is plain old ignorant, and if you download 1.7Tb without even knowing WTF it is you are firmly in the latter column.
What lost me was when I clicked on the link and the page was covered in pencil doodles of kitties and ponies and crap. If you are trying to make it with a fricking band at least TRY to look somewhat professional, that thing looks like it was made by a 16 year old Twitard to declare whether they are with team shirtless or team shovelface...ugh.
Even if you don't like his style if given a decent role frankly any halfway decent actor can put in a decent performance, look at Ferrell in the remake of The Producers, frankly he was the only good thing in that POS and I don't like Ferrell, but like Kenneth Mars he took the role of a Nazi and made him a fun character.
And I do find it ironic that you are complaining about hacks..when you were watching a movie made by the co-king of hacks, JJ Abrams. His movies are nothing but action set pieces and he even rips off the ending to Start Trek II, if you are watching anything by Abrams or Bay you really can't complain about hacks since you are supporting the "meh put lots of splosions, the sheep will buy it" cynical Hollywood crap that breeds the likes of Stiller, Vaughn and Ferrell.
Because ALL LAWS WILL BE ABUSED and the ONLY reason we have cops going as easy as they do is the Miranda law and the Fifth, that's it. Do I REALLY need to list every time we've "made the cops job easier" only to have that shit blow up in our faces?
The reason we have the Fifth is because without it you've just given the cops a perfect catch-22,give us enough info we can send you to prison with...or we'll send you to prison. See the problem there sparky?
And you might want to look at "the largest gang in America" to see how badly the cops behave when they don't realize there is a camera around, and you are gonna trust them by giving them the right to force self incrimination? How do you think they are gonna get the person with a functioning brain to self incriminate, ask him nicely? Just think about how easy it would be to get rid of any undesirable who has a PC "We are sure there is a hidden volume somewhere and he won't give us the keys so he should be in prison until he gives us the keys to the imaginary volume" and tada! You've just been given the task of proving a negative so you can rot in prison pal.
The fossil plants are ONLY being built in states where the fossil fuels are coming from, it lets the politicians nullify the NIMBYs with the "We'll have jobs!" counter argument.
Frankly so far this is the ONLY argument that has seemed to have any traction against the NIMBYs, and once the jobs are done? Well the NIMBYs win. For an example see how little traction the NIMBYs were able to get on Yucca mountain...as long as the government was spending billions hiring locals to dig the thing, the SECOND the job was finished? the NIMBYs started coming out of the woodwork to shut it down.
Look up (insert power generation tech) and protests and see how big a problem NIMBYs really are, again it doesn't matter, nuke, solar, wind, water, you name the tech you'll have some huge lobbying group of NIMBYs trying to block it. Hell look at the post above yours, it has a link to an article showing Carter was the one that blocked all nuclear reprocessing thanks to a NIMBY environmental group. What was their excuse? "Endless clean power might cause more mining and then we can't tell them to live green ZOMG!" so now we have huge piles of waste at every power plant, yeah thanks NIMBYs.
Don't know where you heard that because i used to do the PC work for the county, which is pretty typical in this area (and from what I was told pretty typical for the entire south) and all they ever did was reclaim the freon and take the copper out of fridges, that's it. I personally saw countless PCs, TVs, pretty much every appliance you could name just thrown in the truck and hauled off to the landfill.
So not only do you have all that which can be reclaimed but as I said they are already testing a variable microwave that will break down plastics back into oil...you got ANY idea how much plastic is in your average dump? But I can tell you they didn't even bother trying to sort out cans, when you are running the biggest landfill in an area you got waaay too much to process to stop and sort. All those landfills are gonna be gold mines in 50 years, just you watch.which is why I always laugh when people bitch and whine about recycling because all that money is gonna end up giving the poor states a hell of an economy boost for several decades.
Hell think about it man, ALL of those metals are finite resources, can't magically mine forever, so like peak oil there WILL come a time when it will cost more to dig than it will to recycle, again the only question is when. The nice thing about those landfills? They ain't going anywhere, not like there is a time limit and if they don't dig it out all those metals and plastic will turn to poo, so even if it takes 50 years so what? It will still end up making the poor states a hell of a lot of money in the end.
Dude look up Yucca mountain in Google Earth, go on, I'll wait...What's that? Its a 100 miles from anything in the middle of some of the most inhospitable desert you've ever seen? BINGO, we have a winner!
NIMBYs have gone from "my back yard" to "anywhere within a 3 state radius of me" so we should probably rename them NIMGA, not it my general area, but that doesn't have as nice a ring to it.
BWA HA HA HA HA HA...are you forgetting they actually had a "please stop ignoring us" petition because all Obama ever did with any petition that wasn't just a "We think you are vewwy great and we wuv u!" was give the finger with some pile of bullshit doublespeak speech that was a blatant "I read it and really don't give a fuck because my handlers want this" pile of bullshit?
Anybody who thinks that petition bullshit is gonna do a damned thing against money and power needs to click their heels together and head back to Oz, fools have been filling those damned things out for years, name ONE real issue that the petition went against what the administration wanted that wasn't ignored, JUST ONE. You can't because it was NOTHING but a cheap publicity stunt.
Frankly I can't decide which is worse, those that still buy Bush's bullshit or those that still have faith in "yes we can!" (but I won't) because at least with Bush he didn't pretend to give a fuck, so at least he was honest about it, Obama wraps his in touchy feely bullshit while doing the EXACT SAME SHIT, same drone strikes, same spying, same big brother networks, same corporate ass kissing, the ONLY difference is a couple of complete jerk off mechanisms like this stupid petition crap that really ought to be a suggestion box connected to a dumpster for the fat lot of good it does.
You're not really changing shit, sorry, all you are doing is wasting time on something that in this case the free market will actually solve. I mean sure if you want to because it gives you a boost of smug? go right ahead, whatever, but again this is a problem that actually will solve itself.
You see, if you were to just follow the trail to its logical conclusion it will all make sense, now follow along. Where does all that waste go? Well due to the price of land most of the big cities end up sending it to poorer counties and states for burial...well what happens when those resources get scarce? Those poor states and counties are gonna be sitting on top of gold mines that's what! You burn the organics for power (I think Sweden or Denmark is already doing that and actually importing trash for that purpose) and use the power to process all those metals that will be quite precious at that time, I even read they are working on a microwave that will let you break down plastic into oil for reuse.
So as you see the garbage problem? Not really a problem, all those poor states taking that trash will be able to dig it right back out when the price is right so its gonna end up recycled any way you slice it, the only question is when and by whom, you are some county in Alabama.
Thank you as that was EXACTLY my point. We can bitch about their planned economies but when they need shit built? they are breaking ground within the year, it takes us in the west a good decade plus of bullshit to get any damned thing approved and like with yucca 9 times out of 10 we spend all this money only to get cockblocked by the NIMBYs so at the end of the day we have nothing built, nothing to show for all the studies and testing and bullshit because there is ALWAYS a reason some lobby will find to bitch.
Just look at all the excuses, nukes? Waste and too dangerous. fine Dams? You'll kill the fishies, okay then wind? Noise pollution and you'll kill the birds, fucking fine, NG and coal? greenhouse gases, great solar? Will damage the desert habitats of the rare beetle whogivesafuckis painus...FUCK! There is NO right answer, NONE. No matter what you name some damned group is gonna find SOMETHING to bitch about, it reminds me of how a major highway in Texas, desperately needed to deal with the gridlock, is now come to a screeching halt because somebody found some rare spider in their path so that will probably take several years worth of bullshit and red tape to see if they can move the spiders or have to build some huge loop around to keep from hurting the spiders...think they would have given a shit about some spider in Asia? hell no, the road would get built because its needed PERIOD the end.
Uhhh... WTF am I SUPPOSED to call them, the Greenies GAVE THEMSELVES THAT NAME unless they belong to one of the sub groups which fuck, I'd be here all damned day naming all of those off, and its not like I made up the name NIMBY, as I'm sure you know it means "Not in my back yard" which is their fucking position on EVERYTHING. Well I hate to break the news to ya Sparky, but there isn't a place in this entire country that isn't SOMEBODY'S BACK YARD and with power every single foot you add equals more power pissed down the drain from transmission loss.
Its the beating around the bush mamby pamby bullshit that has gotten this country all pussified to fuck and if the boat is fucking sinking you do NOT waste your damned time arguing over whether the women prefer to be called Ms or Mrs, okay? Its all this "Oh respect this or that group's feeling" touchy feely horseshit that has made every god damned discussion in this country into a politically correct focus group of shit, its time to call a spade a spade, pay attention to the fucking tasks at hand and NOT to which group "may be offended by your tone" and basically man the fuck up.
And if that offends your delicate sensibilities? Well go lay on your fainting couch with some smelling salts Petunia, as i have exactly zero fucks to give when it comes to politically correct horseshit.
One word...NIMBYs. Frankly NIMBYs is why america will be fucked in the future, you can't get shit done here without the NIMBYs having a royal fucking shitfit so we either keep the pre-NIMBY shit running or do without, that really is the only choices we have.
The sad part is if we built the new design reactors and did a second reactor beside it that reprocessed and ran on the waste of the first? we could cut the waste problem down by so much that it would be a trivial matter, but again NIMBYs will never let that shit happen.
I would love to get some NIMBYs in a fucking room and just say "WTF are you doing? Are you living in a mud hut and doing without electricity? No, then STFU assholes" because the way the NIMBYs act you'd think power comes from the electric fairy because there is NOTHING you can build that the NIMBYs won't have a shitfit about..nuclear? "ZOMG radiation run!" fine we'll build dams then "ZOMG you'll kill teh fishies!" fine then we'll build fucking windmills, will you STFU about that? "ZOMG no, you'll kill the birdies and cause noise pollution!"...ARGH,
FUCK OFF you whiny bastards, we HAVE TO HAVE power to power to run those latte makers and iToys you love to play with and we can't get shit built with you assholes cockblocking every damned thing we try to have! Sorry if that comes off a little harsh but if you have ever talked to one you'd know there is NO right answer, they will have an objection to building ANYTHING near them, you'd have to build everything in fricking space before they would be happy.
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Sadly it wouldn't help friend. read the article by the AMD engineer i linked to, they knew 2 years before Bulldozer there was a serious flaw in the design, the "half core" design requires BOTH the Operating System AND the programs to all be designed with that in mind and even then it will only give a boost in certain niche applications.
The simple fact of the matter is just as Netburst went for raw speed above all with the BD/PD design they made MUCH more primitive cores and thought they could make up for the primitive design by just adding more of them but most programs just won't scale. Even games benefit from having one really powerful core to run the main thread and weaker threads for AI,Sound, etc but the BD/PD design instead has a primitive core that is really only good at integer loads, the second you start adding floating point its gonna bog down.
At the end of the day the BD/PD design is really only good for servers and even then only in certain roles, with desktops and laptops we run just too many FP programs and single threaded programs for very simple weak integer heavy cores to work. This is why they keep cranking the clocks, hoping they can boost the speed enough to make up for that shortcoming but to use a car analogy that would be like saying if you just push this Pinto really REALLY hard it'll keep up with a Porsche, its just not gonna work. hell they have to go for a full 1Ghz higher clock just to beat the Thuban chips which were already not equal to the i7, there is no way in hell they can get the clock high enough to make a half core compete with a full core, its just not gonna work.
Dude, now you are just being a douche, you really are. Your argument would be like saying "You can't compare any boat sinking to Titanic because that boat wasn't built before 1920!" and it really makes you sound like a pedantic dick, it really does.
As another pointed out Intel did NOT keep adding ever more pipelines to netburst, they just kept ramping up the speed because they didn't have the IPC, with a 5GHz on their roadmap before they pulled the plug. Likewise Amd is ramping up the speed because they don't have the IPC and as other have already pointed out you get THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM you had with netburst, the more you crank the clock on an already inefficient design the more waste power and heat you are gonna have. Intel ended up into 150w territory before they finally gave up on netburst, AMD went from 65w-95w with Athlon64 to now 140W+ and soon to be 220w and again they, just like netburst, are blinding trying to fix the fundamental flaws with the arch by simply cranking up the clocks.
So I'm sorry but everyone else can see the analogy, i could wallpaper this post with websites where tech editors make the exact same comparison to netburst, so if you think the ONLY way anything could be like netburst is by adding a 31 stage pipeline? Well you're just being a dick for the sake of arguing, please stop wasting everyone's time being a pedantic ass.
Meh they'll sell a few to those that have to have the biggest ePeen, most won't give a shit. Hell why do you think Intel and AMD have both seen the PC sales drop so much? I can tell it it AIN'T because of tablets or phones, its because all these PCs became so insanely overpowered that they spend most their their time twiddling their thumbs, its like telling a guy he should spend $100K+ on this turbocharged funny car when he already has a funny car and all he is using it for is to drive to the store, its really just overkill for the vast majority.
I mean what do the vast majority use these desktops and laptops FOR anyway? they surf, watch videos, play a few games, that is it, that's all. hell any C2D or Athlon X2 can do these jobs with cycles left over yet these companies just keep building ever more powerful when the programs simply don't use the power we have. So while I can see why they are doing it, to have as many bullet points as they can, honestly? I bet there isn't even 5% of laptop users that would find this a big enough improvement to go shell out the big bux to get this feature.
The reason for that is simple, the people are conditioned from an early age NOT to think. I mean its no surprise to me that those I have met who were home schooled had better critical thinking skills and were quicker to spot the bullshit than those that went to public school. Because I was lucky enough not to have to go to most of junior high and high school (bike wreck kept me out of junior and the coach finding out I read Asimov the first day of HS ended up with me teaching my own class for 4 years to help jocks pass minimum requirements while the "classes" I was supposed to take just gave me straight As) I got to see both sides of the fence and they might as well call public school "Conform and obey" because that is all they are really teaching.
Its like the old George Carlin bit "things will never get better, know why? Because the owners of this country don't want it to get better! Think they want adults that can think and reason? No they want obedient workers, who will take worse working conditions, less pay, who have just enough sense to be shown how to push the buttons but never capable of asking why their lives sucks, the entire system is built around this".
But if you want to know why people keeping "falling" for this all it takes is to walk inside the home of your average voter. I would walk into the homes of my boy's friends to pick them up and I would be shocked, not a single book in the house, the kids being babysat by game consoles, and mom and/or dad staring with a blank expression at the idiot box. It was sad to see how little thinking actually goes on in the average household, the only hope I have is more and more of the young and young adults are turning to computers to get information...probably why they are monitoring everyone, so they can spot them "dangerous thinking types".
It just shows that if you could turn stupid people into electricity you'd solve the energy problem tomorrow.
I mean do i personally give a wet fuck if after it was pointed out you could be downloading anything, state secrets, child porn, terrorist crap that could get you several years in PMITA prison, that some retard goes "huh huh, I'll download it anyway, just to show I'm retarded huh huh"? Nope, not my IP address that will trace back to it, not my hard drive it will be found on, I won't be the one looking at time so i really don't give a fuck, zero fucks to give here.
Hell if you "really want to show me" why don't you go download some CP and visit some terrorist websites, boy I bet that would really show me who is boss huh...dumbass.
Never had one of the Intel Pentium D 9xx chips have you? Sure with speedstep they would idle nicely but every time you actually tried using the thing the temps would just shoot through the roof and if you wanted decent performance out of the system you pretty much had to OC. Having the CPU alone hitting 140F even with a cooler with a copper center? Not much fun, especially in the summer.
I had a box with the Pentium D 805 and just to see how big a difference it would make swapped it for the 915, know what I found? It wasn't even worth the whole $8 difference to swap the 805s for 915s because while idle naturally was lower, if the system is gonna be idling all the time? Frankly you might as well turn it off. When you began to actually use the thing the temps would shoot back up to the same as the 805 so it really wasn't worth the bother to switch.
Low idle temps is all well and good but most of the things you are gonna be doing won't leave the system idling and THAT is when those hotter chips really become a PITA.
Yeah but how much was the 4 core Intel? And you can probably buy that 8 core for $150 or less now if you watch the sales. I'm running the Thuban X6 and what did 6 cores cost me? $105 shipped, if you compare like to like the only chip I could get from Intel at $105 was the Pentium Dual core which the X6 outperforms so in that case the bang for the buck squarely landed in the AMD camp.
The problem with the X8s (well other than the arch, see my previous post with a link on why the BD/PD/EX platform is AMD's netburst) is they simply cost too much to make, for every X8 that comes out with all functioning core they probably get 2 dozen X4s or X6s thanks to bad cores so THAT is where the bang for the buck is, although if given a choice I'd take a Deneb or Thuban over Bulldozer any day of the week.
But if you are strictly wanting the most bang for your bucks and like most of us don't have unlimited budgets the best bets would probably be the Athlon X4 for $67 although for an extra $8 I'd probably go for the Phenom II X4 for $75 and for more than 4 cores the best bang is probably the FX6100 for $99 or the Phenom II 1035T X6 for $106. I think in the benches the Thuban beats the FX6100 but both are good deals. Nice thing about the 1035T is I have one and have sold several and with a low end gaming board like the Asrock boards they have a hell of a lot of OCing room, before deciding I didn't want to deal with the temps I had mine up to nearly 3GHz with a turbocore of nearly 3.5GHz. I probably could have gone higher with a better cooler but my apt gets hot enough as it is without adding a major OC to my system.
As you can see though you can still get crazy cheap deals on the AMD side if you just know where to look. These chips have more than enough power to do anything your average person is gonna want to do with a PC, heck my youngest is gaming on a 3.4Ghz Athlon X3 and is quite happy with the performance and with my 1035T I can game AND do a transcode AND burn a DVD at the same time with no slow downs so I would say I'm getting my $105 out of it.
I would urge those that wonder WTF AMD is doing copying all the old mistakes Intel did with netburst to read this post by a former employee who lays out exactly why this is happening, the former CEO did the usual Wall street move of slash and burn, get a stock bounce, and cash out.
They are stuck with the Netburst that is Bulldozer/Piledriver/Suckavator or whatever other names they want to give it because the former CEO FIRED everybody that knew how to make a chip over there and replaced them with computer layouts which as you can see blow through power like shit through a goose while giving worse performance on a per watt basis than the previous Stars arch.
This isn't coming from some Intel fanboy, I own and sell nothing but AMD at the shop, but when I can no longer get Stars and Liano chips I'm gonna have to seriously look at Intel because these new designs just suuuuck. There is a good reason why you don't see Thuban chips in most benchmarks against the new chips, its because if you matched clock for clock the Thubans and Denebs will win. That is pretty damned sad, when your old chips are actually better while using less power but the CEO they had closed down production of all the Stars cores (again to get a stock bounce and cash out) so there really is no plan B here.
I just hope the game console chips can give them enough operating capital to keep them afloat while hopefully the new chip designer they hired, the same one that did the Athlon64 and the Apple A6, can come up with a new design to make AMD at least kinda competitive. Until then I'll hang onto to AM3+ and Stars as long as I can and then start looking at the i3s and i5s.
Nope, sorry, not buying it, that is a "blame the victim" excuse and any investigation shows it just doesn't hold water. Even though I'm as anti libertarian as they come (I personally believe libertarians come in two flavors, one that wants a government to whip the slaves and the other wants to have no government so they can hire goons to whip the slaves) look up "Jon Stewart Ron Paul" to see just how rigged our primaries are, in that video Stewart (who is also not libertarian) shows clip after clip of the MSM practically jumping through flaming hoops to make sure NOBODY says a damned word about Paul, the entire MSM went to great pains to make sure he was never heard. One reporter even gets annoyed and says to the anchor "We are sitting here going on and on about Christie and Palin, who aren't even running, and we haven't said a word about Paul who is doing well in the polls here" and the anchor I swear looks right at the camera, gets a douchebag smirk, and says "If you get any footage of Christie or Palin send it in, you can keep the Paul stuff", I swear the rigging was THAT bad, and when you add in the Alex Jones video showing the voice vote against Paul at the RNC had the teleprompter showing the results before the vote was even called?
So I'm sorry but saying "the people chose" is like saying that if they show up to enough matches pro wrestling will become real...its not gonna happen, the results are decided before you ever get into the booth, your "choice" is corporate shill A or B and that is all you will EVER get because the two party system? Its just a sham,it lets the old money interests keep taking more for themselves while giving the illusion that the masses have a say when the "choice" is whether you'd prefer your mugger to wear the wildflower or sandalwood aftershave while they rob you.
Then I'm sorry but you sir are ignorant, again you have NO CLUE what is in this shit, could be state secrets, could be a huge cache of kiddie porn, you have ZERO way of knowing WTF it is except by taking this guy's word at face value...do YOU know this guy? Because I sure as hell don't, not enough to know whether he is telling the truth, just being a dick because he can be, hell we've had an asshole on this very site use links to child porn like a fucking rickroll just because they were douchebags and thought that was funny.
If it turned out to be something nasty i doubt seriously any court is gonna believe you downloaded THAT much shit without even the tiniest clue as to what it is just for the hell of it, that would be a seriously hard sell to any jury, so WTF would make you want to take that risk for some douchebag you wouldn't know if you ran into on the street?
Again you have NO idea what you are getting into, NO clue as to what the contents are, you could be opening yourself up to years in PMITA prison and for what? What do you possibly gain by giving this asshole 1.7TB of storage for his shit on your PC?
You are trying to sell your band to the world and get taken seriously as female musicians...so you make your site look like a 15 year old twitard chick's fanfic page? Really?
I've played with many a female musician (no pun intended) and they would frankly be insulted by this shit, their site just screams "I'm a girly girl with titties but no brains, giggle giggle" that it really does a disservice to female musicians because all it does is reinforce that stereotype.
Nic Cage got his ass ripped off by one of one of those stock brokers, may have been old Bernie, all i know is he got his accounts pretty much cleaned out and now will take just about anything that has a decent paycheck.
Oh and if you want a good chuckle? Turns out Will Smith turned down Django to start in After Earth, just like how he turned down the Matrix to star in Wild Wild West, so pretty much anybody can pick a clunker. But there are just some actors, Sandler, Schneider, Vaughn, that just seem to have the worst taste in projects or are simply taking everything with a paycheck. They are a part of a handful of actors that you can see at least have a decent amount of talent that just choose bomb after bomb after bomb, frankly I don't know how they keep getting work, especially Sandler. I mean Jack & Jill and That's My Boy (which one reviewer said "The whole joke is "ha ha ha pedophilia funny" which of course the answer is no it isn't and you are a sick man for thinking it is) should have completely torpedoed any chance of doing another movie, yet last I heard he had like 3 movies coming up.
All I can figure is that they are doing comedies and the studios are all run by rich old white guys that know they "Don't get what them hep cats kids think is funny" so they just greenlight it without even bothering to look at the script. Again that is the only way I can see how something like That's My Boy could even get made, I mean who would think having a kid that looks 12 molested by a 30 year old teacher would be comedy gold? BTW if you haven't seen it you should look up some YouTube clips just to see how unfunny that shit is, I'd rank it up there with "Heil Honey I'm Home" for worst premise to make a comedy out of. Give Vaughn at least that much credit, he has been making dumb movies but at least they aren't offensive, just moronic.
I don't know, call me weird but I prefer honesty, I find it sad to see those people hanging onto this false hope and expecting THIS time, this time it will be different...it reminds me of those battered wives that keep buying the "Oh I've changed" bullshit.
What? Who in the fuck is soooo damned retarded they will download 1.7 fricking TB of data that is completely fucking useless because its encrypted? Hell how in the fuck do you know this isn't just his way of railing against the possession laws by seeing how many dumb fucks he can get to download child pron huh?
You have NO idea, ZERO, what the fuck is in this stuff, you only have the word of one single person who is already an admitted criminal who has broken into countless companies, caused who knows how many people to have to deal with the "fun"of having to replace their credit cards, and we are just supposed to take his word for it? There is stupid and then there is plain old ignorant, and if you download 1.7Tb without even knowing WTF it is you are firmly in the latter column.
What lost me was when I clicked on the link and the page was covered in pencil doodles of kitties and ponies and crap. If you are trying to make it with a fricking band at least TRY to look somewhat professional, that thing looks like it was made by a 16 year old Twitard to declare whether they are with team shirtless or team shovelface...ugh.
Even if you don't like his style if given a decent role frankly any halfway decent actor can put in a decent performance, look at Ferrell in the remake of The Producers, frankly he was the only good thing in that POS and I don't like Ferrell, but like Kenneth Mars he took the role of a Nazi and made him a fun character.
And I do find it ironic that you are complaining about hacks..when you were watching a movie made by the co-king of hacks, JJ Abrams. His movies are nothing but action set pieces and he even rips off the ending to Start Trek II, if you are watching anything by Abrams or Bay you really can't complain about hacks since you are supporting the "meh put lots of splosions, the sheep will buy it" cynical Hollywood crap that breeds the likes of Stiller, Vaughn and Ferrell.
Because ALL LAWS WILL BE ABUSED and the ONLY reason we have cops going as easy as they do is the Miranda law and the Fifth, that's it. Do I REALLY need to list every time we've "made the cops job easier" only to have that shit blow up in our faces?
The reason we have the Fifth is because without it you've just given the cops a perfect catch-22,give us enough info we can send you to prison with...or we'll send you to prison. See the problem there sparky?
And you might want to look at "the largest gang in America" to see how badly the cops behave when they don't realize there is a camera around, and you are gonna trust them by giving them the right to force self incrimination? How do you think they are gonna get the person with a functioning brain to self incriminate, ask him nicely? Just think about how easy it would be to get rid of any undesirable who has a PC "We are sure there is a hidden volume somewhere and he won't give us the keys so he should be in prison until he gives us the keys to the imaginary volume" and tada! You've just been given the task of proving a negative so you can rot in prison pal.
The fossil plants are ONLY being built in states where the fossil fuels are coming from, it lets the politicians nullify the NIMBYs with the "We'll have jobs!" counter argument.
Frankly so far this is the ONLY argument that has seemed to have any traction against the NIMBYs, and once the jobs are done? Well the NIMBYs win. For an example see how little traction the NIMBYs were able to get on Yucca mountain...as long as the government was spending billions hiring locals to dig the thing, the SECOND the job was finished? the NIMBYs started coming out of the woodwork to shut it down.
Look up (insert power generation tech) and protests and see how big a problem NIMBYs really are, again it doesn't matter, nuke, solar, wind, water, you name the tech you'll have some huge lobbying group of NIMBYs trying to block it. Hell look at the post above yours, it has a link to an article showing Carter was the one that blocked all nuclear reprocessing thanks to a NIMBY environmental group. What was their excuse? "Endless clean power might cause more mining and then we can't tell them to live green ZOMG!" so now we have huge piles of waste at every power plant, yeah thanks NIMBYs.
Don't know where you heard that because i used to do the PC work for the county, which is pretty typical in this area (and from what I was told pretty typical for the entire south) and all they ever did was reclaim the freon and take the copper out of fridges, that's it. I personally saw countless PCs, TVs, pretty much every appliance you could name just thrown in the truck and hauled off to the landfill.
So not only do you have all that which can be reclaimed but as I said they are already testing a variable microwave that will break down plastics back into oil...you got ANY idea how much plastic is in your average dump? But I can tell you they didn't even bother trying to sort out cans, when you are running the biggest landfill in an area you got waaay too much to process to stop and sort. All those landfills are gonna be gold mines in 50 years, just you watch.which is why I always laugh when people bitch and whine about recycling because all that money is gonna end up giving the poor states a hell of an economy boost for several decades.
Hell think about it man, ALL of those metals are finite resources, can't magically mine forever, so like peak oil there WILL come a time when it will cost more to dig than it will to recycle, again the only question is when. The nice thing about those landfills? They ain't going anywhere, not like there is a time limit and if they don't dig it out all those metals and plastic will turn to poo, so even if it takes 50 years so what? It will still end up making the poor states a hell of a lot of money in the end.
Dude look up Yucca mountain in Google Earth, go on, I'll wait...What's that? Its a 100 miles from anything in the middle of some of the most inhospitable desert you've ever seen? BINGO, we have a winner!
NIMBYs have gone from "my back yard" to "anywhere within a 3 state radius of me" so we should probably rename them NIMGA, not it my general area, but that doesn't have as nice a ring to it.
BWA HA HA HA HA HA...are you forgetting they actually had a "please stop ignoring us" petition because all Obama ever did with any petition that wasn't just a "We think you are vewwy great and we wuv u!" was give the finger with some pile of bullshit doublespeak speech that was a blatant "I read it and really don't give a fuck because my handlers want this" pile of bullshit?
Anybody who thinks that petition bullshit is gonna do a damned thing against money and power needs to click their heels together and head back to Oz, fools have been filling those damned things out for years, name ONE real issue that the petition went against what the administration wanted that wasn't ignored, JUST ONE. You can't because it was NOTHING but a cheap publicity stunt.
Frankly I can't decide which is worse, those that still buy Bush's bullshit or those that still have faith in "yes we can!" (but I won't) because at least with Bush he didn't pretend to give a fuck, so at least he was honest about it, Obama wraps his in touchy feely bullshit while doing the EXACT SAME SHIT, same drone strikes, same spying, same big brother networks, same corporate ass kissing, the ONLY difference is a couple of complete jerk off mechanisms like this stupid petition crap that really ought to be a suggestion box connected to a dumpster for the fat lot of good it does.
You're not really changing shit, sorry, all you are doing is wasting time on something that in this case the free market will actually solve. I mean sure if you want to because it gives you a boost of smug? go right ahead, whatever, but again this is a problem that actually will solve itself.
You see, if you were to just follow the trail to its logical conclusion it will all make sense, now follow along. Where does all that waste go? Well due to the price of land most of the big cities end up sending it to poorer counties and states for burial...well what happens when those resources get scarce? Those poor states and counties are gonna be sitting on top of gold mines that's what! You burn the organics for power (I think Sweden or Denmark is already doing that and actually importing trash for that purpose) and use the power to process all those metals that will be quite precious at that time, I even read they are working on a microwave that will let you break down plastic into oil for reuse.
So as you see the garbage problem? Not really a problem, all those poor states taking that trash will be able to dig it right back out when the price is right so its gonna end up recycled any way you slice it, the only question is when and by whom, you are some county in Alabama.
Thank you as that was EXACTLY my point. We can bitch about their planned economies but when they need shit built? they are breaking ground within the year, it takes us in the west a good decade plus of bullshit to get any damned thing approved and like with yucca 9 times out of 10 we spend all this money only to get cockblocked by the NIMBYs so at the end of the day we have nothing built, nothing to show for all the studies and testing and bullshit because there is ALWAYS a reason some lobby will find to bitch.
Just look at all the excuses, nukes? Waste and too dangerous. fine Dams? You'll kill the fishies, okay then wind? Noise pollution and you'll kill the birds, fucking fine, NG and coal? greenhouse gases, great solar? Will damage the desert habitats of the rare beetle whogivesafuckis painus...FUCK! There is NO right answer, NONE. No matter what you name some damned group is gonna find SOMETHING to bitch about, it reminds me of how a major highway in Texas, desperately needed to deal with the gridlock, is now come to a screeching halt because somebody found some rare spider in their path so that will probably take several years worth of bullshit and red tape to see if they can move the spiders or have to build some huge loop around to keep from hurting the spiders...think they would have given a shit about some spider in Asia? hell no, the road would get built because its needed PERIOD the end.
Uhhh... WTF am I SUPPOSED to call them, the Greenies GAVE THEMSELVES THAT NAME unless they belong to one of the sub groups which fuck, I'd be here all damned day naming all of those off, and its not like I made up the name NIMBY, as I'm sure you know it means "Not in my back yard" which is their fucking position on EVERYTHING. Well I hate to break the news to ya Sparky, but there isn't a place in this entire country that isn't SOMEBODY'S BACK YARD and with power every single foot you add equals more power pissed down the drain from transmission loss.
Its the beating around the bush mamby pamby bullshit that has gotten this country all pussified to fuck and if the boat is fucking sinking you do NOT waste your damned time arguing over whether the women prefer to be called Ms or Mrs, okay? Its all this "Oh respect this or that group's feeling" touchy feely horseshit that has made every god damned discussion in this country into a politically correct focus group of shit, its time to call a spade a spade, pay attention to the fucking tasks at hand and NOT to which group "may be offended by your tone" and basically man the fuck up.
And if that offends your delicate sensibilities? Well go lay on your fainting couch with some smelling salts Petunia, as i have exactly zero fucks to give when it comes to politically correct horseshit.
One word...NIMBYs. Frankly NIMBYs is why america will be fucked in the future, you can't get shit done here without the NIMBYs having a royal fucking shitfit so we either keep the pre-NIMBY shit running or do without, that really is the only choices we have.
The sad part is if we built the new design reactors and did a second reactor beside it that reprocessed and ran on the waste of the first? we could cut the waste problem down by so much that it would be a trivial matter, but again NIMBYs will never let that shit happen.
I would love to get some NIMBYs in a fucking room and just say "WTF are you doing? Are you living in a mud hut and doing without electricity? No, then STFU assholes" because the way the NIMBYs act you'd think power comes from the electric fairy because there is NOTHING you can build that the NIMBYs won't have a shitfit about..nuclear? "ZOMG radiation run!" fine we'll build dams then "ZOMG you'll kill teh fishies!" fine then we'll build fucking windmills, will you STFU about that? "ZOMG no, you'll kill the birdies and cause noise pollution!"...ARGH,
FUCK OFF you whiny bastards, we HAVE TO HAVE power to power to run those latte makers and iToys you love to play with and we can't get shit built with you assholes cockblocking every damned thing we try to have! Sorry if that comes off a little harsh but if you have ever talked to one you'd know there is NO right answer, they will have an objection to building ANYTHING near them, you'd have to build everything in fricking space before they would be happy.