Uhhhh...isn't that the same argument the multinationals make when they claim Americans should be happy to be paid the same as somebody in Bangalore or Beijing? That you should be happy to "compete" with the absolute lowest bottom of the barrel wage slave they can possibly find on the planet?
What amazes me is how few here actually remember their history as this has happened before and in our VERY recent past...remember the 1980s?
Everything the current progressive movement holds dear would have been right at home in the 70s, women's rights, gay rights, acceptance and talk of decriminalizing drugs...then came the 80s and the hard right shift. After 1980 if you held those views you were considered a fool at best and at worst a possible threat to this country as your views could be seen to be helping the USSR. I mean for fuck's sake we had actual witch hunts in the 80s with the whole "satanic cult" bullshit that ended up with people actually DYING from what was nothing but mass insanity stirred up by a couple of quack shrinks pushing their BS book.
So these kids need to seriously wake the fuck up, as those weapons they are more than happy to hand out to be used against those they do not like can be easily used against them, and culture shifts? They can happen as fast as you can snap your fingers, just compare the popular views of 78 to 81, it doesn't even look like the same country.
If you can provide links showing the FBI killing Americans in the 1770s or 1860s go right ahead, but I bet you will find it rather difficult as the FBI didn't exist at those points in time.
Uhh its been going on a LOT longer than that friend, they have killed Americans on American soil and have been doing so since at least the 1960s so the constitution literally isn't worth the paper its written on, at least if you are not rich and part of the ruling class.
And the difference between that and the 50s with keeping anyone who didn't have a hard right wing imperialist streak from working in many fields is....what exactly?
Remember boys and girls that your views may be mainstream NOW but that does NOT mean they will be mainstream in the future, and those same weapons you applaud being used against those you don't agree with can be easily used on you. If free speech is to be anything but an echo chamber mockery of the word we MUST protect the right of those we do not agree with to speak, otherwise your only freedom is the "freedom" to agree with the majority on everything.
Wow you haven't bought from the Humble Bundles lately, have you? There was the Origin Bundle, Deep Silver Bundle, the Capcom bundle just completed and yes Virginia they had a WB bundle with several of their titles.
As for zero day and preorders? I've found that AAA titles are released so damned buggy these days (see TFA for a perfect example) its better to just wait and get the GOTY edition which will give you all the preorder bonuses PLUS any expansions released PLUS it'll be patched and be running solid by that time. As for having you and your friends on the same page? That is what Steam sales are for, where many titles are offered in 4 packs so you and your friends can kick in together.
IMHO with the way these companies have outright lied and scammed players so damned many times you'd have to have a screw loose to trust them enough to preoder, again look at TFA or shite like DN Forever or Aliens: CM, anybody that preordered that crap ended up paying $60+ for a game they could have gotten for less than $20 just 2 weeks later. And its not like we PC gamers are hurting for games ATM, we have so many games to choose from that even if you just stick to the Steam,GOG, and Humble Bundle sales you'll quickly end up with more new games to play than you have hours in the day. I know myself and all of my friends have piles of games in our Steam libraries we have never even fired up, there are just so many good bundles and deals that you quickly end up with so many games you don't even know where to start.
"monetize the product lifecycle throughout its various phases while having complementary product offerings providing multiple revenue streams from the same user"....
Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech of authentic marketing gibberish!
"They haven't been investing big money in going from effectively zero GPU power in 2010 to beating AMD's best solutions in 2015 to replace it with a software gimmick now."...quit bogarting bro, share some of that crazy smoke weed you been puffing. after all if you think Intel graphics are gonna beat Radeons? That be some damned good shit now!
Uhhh...you DID read TFA, yes? Its a browser based on Chromium and Chromium is cross platform so all they have to do is compile it for Linux and OSX. And if you think its hard to get an end user infected on Linux its actually surprisinglyeasy using the same way most malware is spread, social engineering. Remembeer the weakest link in ANY security system is always the user, doesn't matter what the OS is.
Am I the only one thinking this would be a great chance for some epic trolling? Show up in some nasty t-shirt that says something like "pussy hunter" smelling like beer and do a "super" job, if you define "super" as "halfassed and wrong".
Hey they said be available, i couldn't predict that they would call when I had been on a bender and was having issues, could I?;-)
That is the answer right there, we local PC shop guys have to deal with old folks all the time and have no problem with helping them when they need it, be it a yearly plan or pay as you go. I have several customers in their 70s and frankly have no issues with them, in fact they are generally less of an issue than the "know enough to be dangerous" younger types in that they actually listen to what you tell them. Finally what good is that support gonna do if the issue is with the network? A local shop guy can just go out there and fix it, that Indian phone guy is gonna be worthless.
So talk to the local shops, I'm sure you can find one that has good rates and is willing to take the load off of you.
And that makes it all moot, because the user is always the weakest link and malware doesn't need root to do the tasks most malware writers want your PC for.
As for how easy it really is? I'll just leave this here along with the the follow up which points out ways to make it even easier to infect Linux boxes.
Look at the link I provided, most benchmarks are compiled with the Intel cripple compiler which makes their results worthless. If its compiled with ICC it will scan for CPUID and if it doesn't return an Intel CPUID? It will send ALL math code through the X87 codepath, a path that hasn't been mainstream since 1995. No SSE, no AVX, none of the modern math processing is touched. How big of a difference does that make? Well if you take a Via CPU (the only one that allows softmodding of CPUID) and change its CPUID to an Intel one? BAM, you instantly gain 30% in the benches!
The FX-6300 is a really solid chip and if you scored it for $85? Man you got a hell of a deal. I went with the FX-8320E because I also do a lot of A/V work and those extra threads really helps with transcoding but for a general purpose CPU? The FX-6300 really rocks.
Oh and if you need a kick ass HTPC or second PC for dirt cheap? I've been getting 75%+ unlocks on the Athlon X3 455 which can be had for as little as $30, hellacheap for a 3.3Ghz quad, and for HTPCs you really cannot beat the socket AM1 chips, we're talking a quad core APU capable of doing 1080P for sub $80 WITH the board, great chips.
Just remember the cardinal rule which is if you don't know which compiler they used the test is worthless as Intel to this day uses the Cripple code in their compiler and pays benchmark companies to use it with predictable results. You let ME write the conditions on the compiler I can make a Sempron from 03 beat the latest i7, don't make the test worth a fuck.
If you want to see how the chip REALLY stacks up without cripple code? Just look at these Linux benchmarks and surprise! Remove the cripple code and you have The FX8 competing with i5 and i7 and the A10 beating i5...wow, isn't it amazing how much just not rigging the fucking benchmark does for the scores? Its a fricking miracle.
That hasn't been the sweet spot for the FX chips in like...well ever.
Us that buy AMD chips are not buying the FX-8370, the bang for the buck just isn't there, if you want an octocore the sweet spot is the FX-8320, either the FX-8320 or the FX-8320E if you want to lower the power a tad, which is what I personally went for. The really hot spot right now is the FX-6300 which is a great gaming chip. A 3.5Ghz/4.1Ghz turbo chip with 6 cores for $99? Its a kick ass buy at that price.
As for the 6500? Its a good chip, although I don't know why they are calling them "Linux friendly" when its Intel that have been coming up with all the nasty DRM chips going all the way back to HDCP and Palladium, but strictly based on the CPU? Its a good chip. I just have to wonder how many chips both Intel and AMD are gonna move when a 7 year old C2Q or Phenom II has no problem running pretty much every piece of software out there including games, both companies have built such badass chips for years that most users have piles of cycles left over.
Sorry, but no. You are using the classic "all you need is a browser" argument and all those tablets gathering dust (and being offered to me for pennies on the dollar) had a browser and guess what? Folks said DO NOT WANT as they ALL have SOME software they want to run.
1.- Kids have games (won't work), 2.- Adults have kids (see 1), 3.- adults have things like printers and cameras, guess what they come with? If you said "Free Windows software folks like" you sir are correct! 4.- With more and more places having BYOD policies guess what those folks HAVE to run? Yep Windows software. 5.- If they work at any kind of specialty, be it graphics design, photography, audio/video creation, etc guess what they need to run? Yep Windows software. 6.- Forget drivers? Yeah you need those for consumer hardware, printers, AIO units, videocams and cameras, and no drivers for you, those are Windows only.
So I'm sorry but you are VERY wrong. Hell I have one of those "mythical users" you describe in my family, my wife practically LIVES on FB, plays FB games, etc...guess what? She ALSO has the photo software that came with her camera, not to mention drivers for her DSLR, last I checked her World Of Warships don't run, her Origin games and purchased popcap stuff? Nope. Then there is her picture editing software, her calendar making software, hell I could go on all day.
BTW the exact same argument was used when it came to Linux netbooks...remember what happened? They saw 400% higher returns than the exact same units with Windows, even though the Windows units ran like dogs, why? The Windows units would run their software the Linux versions? Would not. Oh and you remember what you said about no optical drives? Yeah....guess what? Been making a nice chunk of change precisely BECAUSE folks don't know how to get their stuff onto those new units, so they will bring me a list of their "must have" stuff, or their previous laptop/desktop and pay me to "fix it"...that will be $50 an hour, $35 an hour past $100...will that be cash or check?
So you are admitting your software is actually WORSE than proprietary, since users can actually vote with their wallets and affect the outcome of proprietary whereas with FOSS all they get is the classic "its free you can't complain" meme and the finger? Good to know, thx.
Oh Please! Sweden showed it was nothing but the USA's bitch when the Ecuadorian diplomat made it clear that all they had to do was agree they wouldn't ship him to the USA and they promptly REFUSED.
Do you REALLY believe they went to all this trouble for a rape charge where the "victim" not only didn't call the cops while he was sound asleep in the bed, but instead actually went out, bought groceries, and then made him breakfast, really? If you but that horseshit I have a bridge you might be interested in.
We all know that if Assange tried to go back to Sweden he'd never get to touch Swedish ground, they would divert the plane in the air to the USA where he would get stuck in Gitmo as an "example" of what happens when you dare to not bow down. they even have a name for this, its called a "rendition ride", look it up.
Uhhh not trivial? I'll just leave this here then but will note he is taking his time, I've seen a basic unit thrown together no problem in under 20 minutes flat, hell it takes longer for Windows to update than it does to throw together a PC now!
BTW it took me under an hour from putting the parts on the table to Windows install, and I had FOUR hard drives, TWO Optical drives, and an R9 280 GPU. I guess you haven't seen a PC case lately, everything but the really cheap shit is tool-less, just pop out slider, put in drive, slide back in, and the backplate even has really big letters indicating where to put the motherboard, m for microATX and A for ATX. I mean good lord my wife put together her own PC and she still has trouble figuring out the microwave, the only thing I had to show her was how to use a cable tie to clean up the cable runs, that was it.
If you haven't put together a PC lately? Its insane how easy it is now, there really is nothing to it anymore. I remember the old days when it was easy to get things to go in the wrong way but it just isn't like that anymore, its all pictures and slider drive cages and you don't even have to know what hardware you have or find drivers anymore as Windows does that FOR you, its crazy stupid easy bud.
We were talking about the mass market, IE consumers. Now if you ask me about corporate adoption of Chromebooks?...Yeah I could see that, once upon a time I used to admin thin clients like the Sun Ray and these would be just an update of the thin client in an easier to setup package. It would be a great corporate fit if they can tie it into their own servers and bypass Google completely (wouldn't want to try dealing with SOX or HIPPA with a Google controlled Chromebook) but if you can pull that off? Its a cheap thin client laptop, and in corporate environments having a full OS not only really isn't required but is more of a risk. So could ARM Chromebooks become a hit in corporate? I would argue that the performance hit that ARM takes over X86 would make it a hard sell but corporate Chromebooks? Wouldn't be a hard sell at all.
But home users? They don't know what an OS is (the closest I have ever gotten from a customer that wasn't a geek when I asked what OS they were running was "Windows Something", most don't even know that, some have even said Dell or Intel), they don't understand that programs are written for specific OSes (to them there is really only one desktop and laptop, and that is Windows. Anything else is "broken") or there is different CPUs that limit what you can run, or that Android is anything but "something that runs on cellphones". So in that critical high dollar market? Yeah...nooo. Best you could hope for was a quick fad followed by a huge drop, see how many sites are selling BOGOF deals on the low end tablets because they can't move them anymore, too many are gathering dust in sock drawers, or if these cost more than $100? They'll be a mound at the return desk.
Again I've been dealing with customers for...damn has it really been 30 years? And if you don't understand the market you are screwed, and when it comes to PCs its all about the programs and GUI, and the users expect everything they run now (which is all Windows programs, I have yet to see somebody come in that didn't have SOME Windows programs they require the PC to run) to run on any new unit, when it doesn't? They are NOT happy and they will quickly come for a refund.
1.- Its a laptop as far as users are concerned, in fact I never sold a single one at the shop where anybody called them anything but laptops. If you think users will "cut you a break" because its ARM? News Flash they don't know a CPU from a HDD, they WILL expect it to do every.single.thing. your average laptop in Walmart does? When it don't? Hello return desk.
2.- Go look on your local CL under Chromebooks, News Flash they are already being dumped en masse because to steal a line from a former POTUS "Its the programs stupid!". People see a Chromebook, and again I cannot stress this enough users have no fucking clue what an OS is and all they know is "I use Google at home, it says it is from Google, so I can do everything I can do at home" and after a couple of weeks of finding out that is NOT the case? Hello Craigslist. I just looked on mine, they have a pile of 'em in the $70 range and most have been there awhile, know what that tells me? The users are treating them just as they treated those cheap tablets, they use it a few weeks, find it wanting, and get rid of it.
3.-...Sigh, how hard is it to understand? YOU know what an OS is, know who don't? THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONSUMERS that is who! They aren't gonna know WTF an "Android" is because, and I bet my last fucking dollar damned near everyone of them will say "that is for cellphones" and is that a cellphone? Nope its a laptop and therefor should do what laptops should do which according to Joe and Jane is RUN WINDOWS PROGRAMS, when it don't? Hi return desk, I'd like to return this?
4.-GPUs...Will these GPUs run all those Winhdows programs that Joe and Jane WILL expect it to run, because that IS what runs on the laptops at Walmart? No? Then nobody will have a single fuck to give, next!
5.-Windows 10? Yeah that is why you are extra fucked as again Joe and Jane have not a single fuck to give about rumors of spying, data collection, all that shit means nothing, for fucks sake they blab their sex lives on FB! What they DO care about very much is Windows 10 LOOKS like Windows 7, and all their programs run on it just fine. Ya know what I do to Windows 8 PCs brought into the shop with users demanding I "fix it"? I slap in classic shell, voila! That'll be $50 and they hand it over with a big happy smile on their face because all they care about is the GUI and form factor and if its a laptop that LOOKS like Windows 7? Well they are just happy campers and Win 10? Looks like Windows 7.
All of these points you are bringing up? Yeah its pretty damned obvious that you have NEVER worked retail or you would know that Joe user? He don't even know WTF those words even mean! An Operating System? CPU? GPU? What are those? If its a cellphone it should act like a cellphone, a laptop should act like a laptop, which means it should look and act like Windows. Mark my words, feel free to bookmark this post, when these flop I'll sure as hell be dropping links to this as a big giant TOLD YA SO because I have been working retail since the Shat sold Vic 20s with TJ Hooker hair and I KNOW how consumers think, and this? Ain't gonna work.
Except this is retarded either way. Linux on netbooks? It has been done and saw a 400% higher return rate than Windows on the same device, why? Simple people don't give a shit about the OS but they DO care about THEIR PROGRAMS. Their programs don't run? You might as well give them an Emu and tell them to do their computing on that for all the good it'll do 'em.
As for ARM on laptops? Pick your test, you'll see that the BEST chips that ARM has to offer in 2015 cannot compete with the first gen C2D chips from 2007 in performance, they just can't. The simple fact that ARM fans don't want to accept is ARM doesn't scale and once you start ramping up the cycles or adding cores to up the performance? Well there went your power budget, you'd be better off with the new Intel Atom chips that frankly curbstomp the living shit out of the latest greatest ARM chips. Like it or not, despite all these companies just throwing money at it, ARM simply doesn't scale performance wise worth a shit, it just don't. It is simply easier for Intel and AMD to lower the power on their APUs than it is for ARM to scale up their IPC because the performance gap is just so great.
So sorry Linus but you are wrong, as the only thing ARM has to offer is cheap and as we saw with first the netbook craze and then the tablet craze that people will put up with cheap = lousy performance for only a VERY limited time and then they chunk the things, hell I've had so many trying to practically give me cheap ARM tablets, nobody wants the things, the same will be true of Linux ARM netbooks/laptops. Folks will take 'em home, try to run their Windows programs (because again they don't know WTF an OS is) and when it don't work? The store is gonna have a fricking mound of the things in the return pile. No store is gonna put up with that for long so they'll dump 'em and never buy another and that will be the end of that. Sorry Linus, no sale.
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Uhhhh...isn't that the same argument the multinationals make when they claim Americans should be happy to be paid the same as somebody in Bangalore or Beijing? That you should be happy to "compete" with the absolute lowest bottom of the barrel wage slave they can possibly find on the planet?
What amazes me is how few here actually remember their history as this has happened before and in our VERY recent past...remember the 1980s?
Everything the current progressive movement holds dear would have been right at home in the 70s, women's rights, gay rights, acceptance and talk of decriminalizing drugs...then came the 80s and the hard right shift. After 1980 if you held those views you were considered a fool at best and at worst a possible threat to this country as your views could be seen to be helping the USSR. I mean for fuck's sake we had actual witch hunts in the 80s with the whole "satanic cult" bullshit that ended up with people actually DYING from what was nothing but mass insanity stirred up by a couple of quack shrinks pushing their BS book.
So these kids need to seriously wake the fuck up, as those weapons they are more than happy to hand out to be used against those they do not like can be easily used against them, and culture shifts? They can happen as fast as you can snap your fingers, just compare the popular views of 78 to 81, it doesn't even look like the same country.
If you can provide links showing the FBI killing Americans in the 1770s or 1860s go right ahead, but I bet you will find it rather difficult as the FBI didn't exist at those points in time.
Uhh its been going on a LOT longer than that friend, they have killed Americans on American soil and have been doing so since at least the 1960s so the constitution literally isn't worth the paper its written on, at least if you are not rich and part of the ruling class.
And the difference between that and the 50s with keeping anyone who didn't have a hard right wing imperialist streak from working in many fields is....what exactly?
Remember boys and girls that your views may be mainstream NOW but that does NOT mean they will be mainstream in the future, and those same weapons you applaud being used against those you don't agree with can be easily used on you. If free speech is to be anything but an echo chamber mockery of the word we MUST protect the right of those we do not agree with to speak, otherwise your only freedom is the "freedom" to agree with the majority on everything.
Wow you haven't bought from the Humble Bundles lately, have you? There was the Origin Bundle, Deep Silver Bundle, the Capcom bundle just completed and yes Virginia they had a WB bundle with several of their titles.
As for zero day and preorders? I've found that AAA titles are released so damned buggy these days (see TFA for a perfect example) its better to just wait and get the GOTY edition which will give you all the preorder bonuses PLUS any expansions released PLUS it'll be patched and be running solid by that time. As for having you and your friends on the same page? That is what Steam sales are for, where many titles are offered in 4 packs so you and your friends can kick in together.
IMHO with the way these companies have outright lied and scammed players so damned many times you'd have to have a screw loose to trust them enough to preoder, again look at TFA or shite like DN Forever or Aliens: CM, anybody that preordered that crap ended up paying $60+ for a game they could have gotten for less than $20 just 2 weeks later. And its not like we PC gamers are hurting for games ATM, we have so many games to choose from that even if you just stick to the Steam,GOG, and Humble Bundle sales you'll quickly end up with more new games to play than you have hours in the day. I know myself and all of my friends have piles of games in our Steam libraries we have never even fired up, there are just so many good bundles and deals that you quickly end up with so many games you don't even know where to start.
"monetize the product lifecycle throughout its various phases while having complementary product offerings providing multiple revenue streams from the same user"....
Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech of authentic marketing gibberish!
"They haven't been investing big money in going from effectively zero GPU power in 2010 to beating AMD's best solutions in 2015 to replace it with a software gimmick now."...quit bogarting bro, share some of that crazy smoke weed you been puffing. after all if you think Intel graphics are gonna beat Radeons? That be some damned good shit now!
Uhhh...you DID read TFA, yes? Its a browser based on Chromium and Chromium is cross platform so all they have to do is compile it for Linux and OSX. And if you think its hard to get an end user infected on Linux its actually surprisingly easy using the same way most malware is spread, social engineering. Remembeer the weakest link in ANY security system is always the user, doesn't matter what the OS is.
Am I the only one thinking this would be a great chance for some epic trolling? Show up in some nasty t-shirt that says something like "pussy hunter" smelling like beer and do a "super" job, if you define "super" as "halfassed and wrong".
Hey they said be available, i couldn't predict that they would call when I had been on a bender and was having issues, could I? ;-)
That is the answer right there, we local PC shop guys have to deal with old folks all the time and have no problem with helping them when they need it, be it a yearly plan or pay as you go. I have several customers in their 70s and frankly have no issues with them, in fact they are generally less of an issue than the "know enough to be dangerous" younger types in that they actually listen to what you tell them. Finally what good is that support gonna do if the issue is with the network? A local shop guy can just go out there and fix it, that Indian phone guy is gonna be worthless.
So talk to the local shops, I'm sure you can find one that has good rates and is willing to take the load off of you.
And that makes it all moot, because the user is always the weakest link and malware doesn't need root to do the tasks most malware writers want your PC for.
As for how easy it really is? I'll just leave this here along with the the follow up which points out ways to make it even easier to infect Linux boxes.
Look at the link I provided, most benchmarks are compiled with the Intel cripple compiler which makes their results worthless. If its compiled with ICC it will scan for CPUID and if it doesn't return an Intel CPUID? It will send ALL math code through the X87 codepath, a path that hasn't been mainstream since 1995. No SSE, no AVX, none of the modern math processing is touched. How big of a difference does that make? Well if you take a Via CPU (the only one that allows softmodding of CPUID) and change its CPUID to an Intel one? BAM, you instantly gain 30% in the benches!
The FX-6300 is a really solid chip and if you scored it for $85? Man you got a hell of a deal. I went with the FX-8320E because I also do a lot of A/V work and those extra threads really helps with transcoding but for a general purpose CPU? The FX-6300 really rocks.
Oh and if you need a kick ass HTPC or second PC for dirt cheap? I've been getting 75%+ unlocks on the Athlon X3 455 which can be had for as little as $30, hellacheap for a 3.3Ghz quad, and for HTPCs you really cannot beat the socket AM1 chips, we're talking a quad core APU capable of doing 1080P for sub $80 WITH the board, great chips.
Just remember the cardinal rule which is if you don't know which compiler they used the test is worthless as Intel to this day uses the Cripple code in their compiler and pays benchmark companies to use it with predictable results. You let ME write the conditions on the compiler I can make a Sempron from 03 beat the latest i7, don't make the test worth a fuck.
If you want to see how the chip REALLY stacks up without cripple code? Just look at these Linux benchmarks and surprise! Remove the cripple code and you have The FX8 competing with i5 and i7 and the A10 beating i5...wow, isn't it amazing how much just not rigging the fucking benchmark does for the scores? Its a fricking miracle.
That hasn't been the sweet spot for the FX chips in like...well ever.
Us that buy AMD chips are not buying the FX-8370, the bang for the buck just isn't there, if you want an octocore the sweet spot is the FX-8320, either the FX-8320 or the FX-8320E if you want to lower the power a tad, which is what I personally went for. The really hot spot right now is the FX-6300 which is a great gaming chip. A 3.5Ghz/4.1Ghz turbo chip with 6 cores for $99? Its a kick ass buy at that price.
As for the 6500? Its a good chip, although I don't know why they are calling them "Linux friendly" when its Intel that have been coming up with all the nasty DRM chips going all the way back to HDCP and Palladium, but strictly based on the CPU? Its a good chip. I just have to wonder how many chips both Intel and AMD are gonna move when a 7 year old C2Q or Phenom II has no problem running pretty much every piece of software out there including games, both companies have built such badass chips for years that most users have piles of cycles left over.
Sorry, but no. You are using the classic "all you need is a browser" argument and all those tablets gathering dust (and being offered to me for pennies on the dollar) had a browser and guess what? Folks said DO NOT WANT as they ALL have SOME software they want to run.
1.- Kids have games (won't work), 2.- Adults have kids (see 1), 3.- adults have things like printers and cameras, guess what they come with? If you said "Free Windows software folks like" you sir are correct! 4.- With more and more places having BYOD policies guess what those folks HAVE to run? Yep Windows software. 5.- If they work at any kind of specialty, be it graphics design, photography, audio/video creation, etc guess what they need to run? Yep Windows software. 6.- Forget drivers? Yeah you need those for consumer hardware, printers, AIO units, videocams and cameras, and no drivers for you, those are Windows only.
So I'm sorry but you are VERY wrong. Hell I have one of those "mythical users" you describe in my family, my wife practically LIVES on FB, plays FB games, etc...guess what? She ALSO has the photo software that came with her camera, not to mention drivers for her DSLR, last I checked her World Of Warships don't run, her Origin games and purchased popcap stuff? Nope. Then there is her picture editing software, her calendar making software, hell I could go on all day.
BTW the exact same argument was used when it came to Linux netbooks...remember what happened? They saw 400% higher returns than the exact same units with Windows, even though the Windows units ran like dogs, why? The Windows units would run their software the Linux versions? Would not. Oh and you remember what you said about no optical drives? Yeah....guess what? Been making a nice chunk of change precisely BECAUSE folks don't know how to get their stuff onto those new units, so they will bring me a list of their "must have" stuff, or their previous laptop/desktop and pay me to "fix it"...that will be $50 an hour, $35 an hour past $100...will that be cash or check?
So you are admitting your software is actually WORSE than proprietary, since users can actually vote with their wallets and affect the outcome of proprietary whereas with FOSS all they get is the classic "its free you can't complain" meme and the finger? Good to know, thx.
Wow its actually been a bit since I seen somebody go straight to the memes, thx.
Oh Please! Sweden showed it was nothing but the USA's bitch when the Ecuadorian diplomat made it clear that all they had to do was agree they wouldn't ship him to the USA and they promptly REFUSED.
Do you REALLY believe they went to all this trouble for a rape charge where the "victim" not only didn't call the cops while he was sound asleep in the bed, but instead actually went out, bought groceries, and then made him breakfast, really? If you but that horseshit I have a bridge you might be interested in.
We all know that if Assange tried to go back to Sweden he'd never get to touch Swedish ground, they would divert the plane in the air to the USA where he would get stuck in Gitmo as an "example" of what happens when you dare to not bow down. they even have a name for this, its called a "rendition ride", look it up.
Riiight, I'll just leave this here then.
Uhhh not trivial? I'll just leave this here then but will note he is taking his time, I've seen a basic unit thrown together no problem in under 20 minutes flat, hell it takes longer for Windows to update than it does to throw together a PC now!
BTW it took me under an hour from putting the parts on the table to Windows install, and I had FOUR hard drives, TWO Optical drives, and an R9 280 GPU. I guess you haven't seen a PC case lately, everything but the really cheap shit is tool-less, just pop out slider, put in drive, slide back in, and the backplate even has really big letters indicating where to put the motherboard, m for microATX and A for ATX. I mean good lord my wife put together her own PC and she still has trouble figuring out the microwave, the only thing I had to show her was how to use a cable tie to clean up the cable runs, that was it.
If you haven't put together a PC lately? Its insane how easy it is now, there really is nothing to it anymore. I remember the old days when it was easy to get things to go in the wrong way but it just isn't like that anymore, its all pictures and slider drive cages and you don't even have to know what hardware you have or find drivers anymore as Windows does that FOR you, its crazy stupid easy bud.
We were talking about the mass market, IE consumers. Now if you ask me about corporate adoption of Chromebooks?...Yeah I could see that, once upon a time I used to admin thin clients like the Sun Ray and these would be just an update of the thin client in an easier to setup package. It would be a great corporate fit if they can tie it into their own servers and bypass Google completely (wouldn't want to try dealing with SOX or HIPPA with a Google controlled Chromebook) but if you can pull that off? Its a cheap thin client laptop, and in corporate environments having a full OS not only really isn't required but is more of a risk. So could ARM Chromebooks become a hit in corporate? I would argue that the performance hit that ARM takes over X86 would make it a hard sell but corporate Chromebooks? Wouldn't be a hard sell at all.
But home users? They don't know what an OS is (the closest I have ever gotten from a customer that wasn't a geek when I asked what OS they were running was "Windows Something", most don't even know that, some have even said Dell or Intel), they don't understand that programs are written for specific OSes (to them there is really only one desktop and laptop, and that is Windows. Anything else is "broken") or there is different CPUs that limit what you can run, or that Android is anything but "something that runs on cellphones". So in that critical high dollar market? Yeah...nooo. Best you could hope for was a quick fad followed by a huge drop, see how many sites are selling BOGOF deals on the low end tablets because they can't move them anymore, too many are gathering dust in sock drawers, or if these cost more than $100? They'll be a mound at the return desk.
Again I've been dealing with customers for...damn has it really been 30 years? And if you don't understand the market you are screwed, and when it comes to PCs its all about the programs and GUI, and the users expect everything they run now (which is all Windows programs, I have yet to see somebody come in that didn't have SOME Windows programs they require the PC to run) to run on any new unit, when it doesn't? They are NOT happy and they will quickly come for a refund.
1.- Its a laptop as far as users are concerned, in fact I never sold a single one at the shop where anybody called them anything but laptops. If you think users will "cut you a break" because its ARM? News Flash they don't know a CPU from a HDD, they WILL expect it to do every.single.thing. your average laptop in Walmart does? When it don't? Hello return desk.
2.- Go look on your local CL under Chromebooks, News Flash they are already being dumped en masse because to steal a line from a former POTUS "Its the programs stupid!". People see a Chromebook, and again I cannot stress this enough users have no fucking clue what an OS is and all they know is "I use Google at home, it says it is from Google, so I can do everything I can do at home" and after a couple of weeks of finding out that is NOT the case? Hello Craigslist. I just looked on mine, they have a pile of 'em in the $70 range and most have been there awhile, know what that tells me? The users are treating them just as they treated those cheap tablets, they use it a few weeks, find it wanting, and get rid of it.
3.-...Sigh, how hard is it to understand? YOU know what an OS is, know who don't? THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONSUMERS that is who! They aren't gonna know WTF an "Android" is because, and I bet my last fucking dollar damned near everyone of them will say "that is for cellphones" and is that a cellphone? Nope its a laptop and therefor should do what laptops should do which according to Joe and Jane is RUN WINDOWS PROGRAMS, when it don't? Hi return desk, I'd like to return this?
4.-GPUs...Will these GPUs run all those Winhdows programs that Joe and Jane WILL expect it to run, because that IS what runs on the laptops at Walmart? No? Then nobody will have a single fuck to give, next!
5.-Windows 10? Yeah that is why you are extra fucked as again Joe and Jane have not a single fuck to give about rumors of spying, data collection, all that shit means nothing, for fucks sake they blab their sex lives on FB! What they DO care about very much is Windows 10 LOOKS like Windows 7, and all their programs run on it just fine. Ya know what I do to Windows 8 PCs brought into the shop with users demanding I "fix it"? I slap in classic shell, voila! That'll be $50 and they hand it over with a big happy smile on their face because all they care about is the GUI and form factor and if its a laptop that LOOKS like Windows 7? Well they are just happy campers and Win 10? Looks like Windows 7.
All of these points you are bringing up? Yeah its pretty damned obvious that you have NEVER worked retail or you would know that Joe user? He don't even know WTF those words even mean! An Operating System? CPU? GPU? What are those? If its a cellphone it should act like a cellphone, a laptop should act like a laptop, which means it should look and act like Windows. Mark my words, feel free to bookmark this post, when these flop I'll sure as hell be dropping links to this as a big giant TOLD YA SO because I have been working retail since the Shat sold Vic 20s with TJ Hooker hair and I KNOW how consumers think, and this? Ain't gonna work.
Here you go the article states that MSFT Research gave a paper on it being vulnerable in 07.
Except this is retarded either way. Linux on netbooks? It has been done and saw a 400% higher return rate than Windows on the same device, why? Simple people don't give a shit about the OS but they DO care about THEIR PROGRAMS. Their programs don't run? You might as well give them an Emu and tell them to do their computing on that for all the good it'll do 'em.
As for ARM on laptops? Pick your test, you'll see that the BEST chips that ARM has to offer in 2015 cannot compete with the first gen C2D chips from 2007 in performance, they just can't. The simple fact that ARM fans don't want to accept is ARM doesn't scale and once you start ramping up the cycles or adding cores to up the performance? Well there went your power budget, you'd be better off with the new Intel Atom chips that frankly curbstomp the living shit out of the latest greatest ARM chips. Like it or not, despite all these companies just throwing money at it, ARM simply doesn't scale performance wise worth a shit, it just don't. It is simply easier for Intel and AMD to lower the power on their APUs than it is for ARM to scale up their IPC because the performance gap is just so great.
So sorry Linus but you are wrong, as the only thing ARM has to offer is cheap and as we saw with first the netbook craze and then the tablet craze that people will put up with cheap = lousy performance for only a VERY limited time and then they chunk the things, hell I've had so many trying to practically give me cheap ARM tablets, nobody wants the things, the same will be true of Linux ARM netbooks/laptops. Folks will take 'em home, try to run their Windows programs (because again they don't know WTF an OS is) and when it don't work? The store is gonna have a fricking mound of the things in the return pile. No store is gonna put up with that for long so they'll dump 'em and never buy another and that will be the end of that. Sorry Linus, no sale.