A little off-topic but I believe the emergancy number for a cell phone is 123 and that should work in _any_ country regardless of if you have credit. As long as the phone can get any signal. So a British or Aussie ophone in the US is useless.
I was in Oz last year and had a cell phone over there and half the time I didn't get my carriers signal but it had a big 'SOS Calls ONLY' meaning it had found SOMETHING it could connect to and dial out in an emergancy. Couldn't make any other phone calls but could at least do that. Of course the time we saw this huge bush fire we had no signal and couldn't do anything but there is the CDMS / Satellite phone combo thing if you want 100% coverage in Oz (the only type of phone, so the adverts say, that would work EVERYWHERE in Australia).
Well considering my local Police Force (in the UK) is the Avon and Somerset Constabulary and they actually have some of the crap 999 calls on there website here
With such wonders as "A female caller has dialled 999 to request help in finding her spectacles." You can listen to the actual recordings (with subtitles if you want as some have a lot of background noise).
This is probably why they are going to introduce another number when it is not 'life threatening".
It's true, our second chamber is unelected. Lords become members by a complex mixture of appointment, religion, appelation, hereditary entitlement and self-election, which frankly I can't work out.
Nothing you say contricts anything I said. He was jailed for speaking. The so called "recruitment" was simply saying things. Did you read the article you linked to? Here are some quotes.
OK so Osama is a really nice guy as he just said it? Saddahm is a nice guy because he just said 'go kill this guy'. OK so that guy did it, but Saddahm didn't actually kill them?
And yes I did read the article.
"In court the jury had to base their verdicts on a series of nine speeches caught on video and audio tape - speeches that the prosecution claimed showed Abu Hamza, the former imam of Finsbury Park mosque, encouraging people to murder and stirring up racial hatred."
The evidence consisted of nine speeches.
That they had evidence of. It is still evidence. Stirring up racial hatred IS a crime. Are you saying that someone who murders one person who is seen by one person is better then a murderer who is seen by lots of people?
"Also found at the house was an Encyclopaedia of Afghani Jihad, which contained detailed advice on making bombs and recommended potential terrorists should choose targets like Big Ben, the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty to publicise their cause."
They found a book in his house.
Yes a book. On how to kill people through terrorism. That is not what he was arrested for though.
"In total the jury was given some 600 pages of Abu Hamza's speeches to consider, and provided with a glossary of Arabic terms in order to understand the Islamic religious terms so often used in his sermons."
Once again he was convicted of saying things.
Again it was WHAT he was saying. Racial hatred is a crime, incitement to violence is a crime, incitement to murder is a crime.
"This guy said (from the story linked) in regard to Jews that "They are enemies to one another and Allah has cursed them. This is why he sent Hitler for them." And that "Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it is OK - even if there is no reason for it," he says. (Kafir meaning non-muslim)."
Wow. Saying you should kill jews is now a crime in the UK. He didn't actually kill jews, he just said you should kill them. Meanwhile british troops were ACTUALLY killing muslims in Iraq.
Yes it is a crime, it comes under incitement to racial hatred, incitement to violence, incitement to murder. Basically trying to get someone to commit a crime is a crime in itself.
What's worse, saying you should kill people or actually killing people?
This has nothing to do with it. Yes murdering someone is worse then telling someone to murder them. Is this like saying Jack the ripper isn't as bad as Harold Shipman because he killed less people? Well yes if you want to say that he is 'better'. But he is STILL a murderer.
"He is also wanted in the US under terrorism charges."
Why doesn't that surprise me.
So because you don't like the US you ignore anything they say? Sounds like you also don't like the UK (or at least the laws there).
Bottom line is he broke the laws of the country and was arrested.
It was dropped a while back. For IE5 and before I think it was, you could only have 40 bit encryption. They then relaxed the rules for financial institutions (I worked for one previously) so banks and the like could have strong encryption, then they dropped all the rules (at least to the UK) and you could get a patch. I remember a microsoft page that had a big list of places you couldn't export to - Cuba, Iraq, Iran and the like.
If you mean former Imam Abu Hamza, the guy with a hook, then you may want to read this bit about him where he is allegedly recruiting terrorists and giving out information on how to pick your targets. That is incitement to violence and murder.
This guy said (from the story linked) in regard to Jews that "They are enemies to one another and Allah has cursed them. This is why he sent Hitler for them." And that "Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it is OK - even if there is no reason for it," he says. (Kafir meaning non-muslim). He is also wanted in the US under terrorism charges.
'Well yes Mrs. Clinton Roden thingy whatever you're calling yourself now. We have your new posters for your 2008 presidential campaign right here on this compu.. OH MY GOD IT'S FORMATTING ITSELF!'
OK maybe a little extreme but you know SOME people would love to use backdoors like this for this sort of thing.
When I first heard about this as a kid, the next time I had a bath I spun the water the other way just to see if it would stop and redo itself the 'right' way. Rather upsettingly to me (at the time) it didn't.
I read about the actual stuff they tried to get passed into law and it stated some pretty stupid things. Like the home secretary can change stuff held on the card without getting it checked through the houses of parliament (so if they want to add an RFID chip or eye scans...). And if the details were wrong you had to pay the cash even if THEY had screwed it up.
I can't remember where I saw the link now, was through the register I believe, but went to another site (possibly this one).
With regard to Americans (like my GF) who say they already have ID cards with their drivers licence. These ones will be linked (well according to the no2id website) to almost EVERYTHING. NHS, Tax, National Insurance, various 'agencies' selected by the government.
The information it says it will hold is a load (read it all here. And I do like how the home secretary is allowed to change any of it, without your consent.
OK so I know it's been kicked out by the Lords and not all of this may make it through but this shit scares the hell out of me. I'm trying to get my ass out of the country and somewhere else!
As the article says: Free legal downloads for $6 a month. DRM free. The artists get paid. Imagine a world where music and movies could be freely exchanged online, where artists are recompensed and the labels don't lose a cent, and where 12-year old girls need not fear harboring an MP3 of their favorite TV show theme tune on their PC.
- Your Honour, I'm afraid we lost the key - How are you making more copies? - Well we are using the master CD to make duplicates, but we can't find the original key we had. - Well why not just use that master CD to find it? - Well, your Honour, that would be a breach of the DMCA.
OK I'm probably missing something here, but I'm sure there is SOME way around it - companies would be willing to get their lawyers to find some loophole here surely, or bribe a congressman to get one into law. And if the master CD hold the key too easily wouldn't everyone have it if it wasn't encrypted?
I used to get a lift to work and the guy who drove me swore blind the middle and left lanes you could just sit there and the outside lane was the 'overtaking lane'. He wouldn't accept me telling him that actually EVERY lane except the left is overtaking (depending on how many lanes you have).
A while back I was in New York (state) on the west side and a mate who lives there and I were having a few beers out in the back garden (the driveway comes out the back and he parks in the back garden). He suddenly realised he had his car keys on him and threw them at the back door. I asked why and he said that being drunk NEAR your car with the keys can get you a DUI.
Now I don't live in New York so not sure of the laws there. Was my mate mistaken or is it just the county he was in (can't remember that, was a town called Batavia somewhere near Rochester IIRC)
The bandage is wound around the wound. The farm was used to produce produce. The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. We must polish the Polish furniture. He could lead if he could get the lead out. The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present. A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes. I did not object to the object. The insurance was invalid for the invalid. There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. They were too close to the door to close it. The buck does funny things when the does are present. A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. The wind was too strong to wind the sail. After a number of injections my jaw got number. Upon seeing the tear in the painting, I shed a tear. I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
Naaa... English is just SO easy to learn (OK, learn WELL). With all these words that are spelt the same and pronounced differently depending on context. I was travelling around Oz last year and met a bunch of people from different countries and all of them apologised for their bad English. I tried to point out a few of these sentences to show how really annoying English is to learn properly. Hell I have trouble and English is my first language!
Or the episode of One Foot In The Grave which had only ONE GUY in it, sat at home. He did answer the phone (but you only heard HIM speaking).. Actually I thought it was very funny.
The writing is always more important then the number of people or sets.
I remember an article in the Sunday Times (in the UK) many years ago titled 'Every picture tells a story, but first pick the story'. Various tabloids in the UK had done this and the examples I can remember are:
A picture of a politician, who was known to come from a working class family, with a bottle of champagne or similar in front of him. They had removed the pint of bitter he actually HAD.
A picture of a funeral for the grieving widow kissing who was supposedly her lover on the lips. Actually this picture was not doctored, he had kissed her on the cheek but video was taken of it, and he moved past her lips (from the camera perspective) and they had taken the exact frame it looked like he was kissing her on her lips.
A picture of the late Princess Diana looking all unhappy because she was upset with her marriage, looking down at the ground and not making eye contact with anyone. Actually she was looking at a war memorial, on the ground and of course looked unhappy because it was a memorial! They showed a similar photo later that day with her laughing and smiling.
A picture of a man and a woman on a boat, who both had partners. He had his arm around her, but in actuality they had reversed the image of him - he had his arm on the rudder or something!
Yes some of them got fined over some of these, but it is WAY to easy to do.
And if we want to get REALLY picky about not being 'live live' then simply transmitting the signal takes a second or two.
I phoned a mate once, I had cable TV he had satellite and his TV was about 2-3 seconds behind mine. I tried to piss him off by telling him what was about to happen;)
So if the writer wants to get pedantic, NOTHING is live unless you see it. Well even then it takes a moment for the light / sound to reach you.
I figure though, if it's no more then a minute or two old it's live!
- Wait, no-one is that interested in an OS that by default looks like a 5 year old with a box of crayons made it. What do we do? - Well why don't we flog it to our friends and family? I mean we have enough employees, they MUST have some family members that we can sell copies of. - But what if their machines won't work? - Well just get them to buy a new machine then they won't realise how much they are paying for XP!
OK so I'm ranting now but I started reading the Q&A and was kinda hopefull, he seemed like a nice guy, but reading the line about making his grandmother buy a new PC so he would support it makes him sound like an asshole.
I mean my GFs sister is still running 95 on a really ancient machine and I suggested it would probably be easier if she upgraded (PC that is - perhaps running Ubuntu on it or something) but I'm still giving her the tech support she needs, even if she won't upgrade (which at the moment she has more important things to spend her money on like her kids then just buying a new PC).
On another note, I wonder if he's reading this story to check up on the responses?
Darmok and Jilad at Tanagra. Chaka...when the walls fell. Sinda - His face black, his eyes red. Temba, his arms open.
Of course even that is a culteral reference which only trekkies (er trekkers or whatever it is now) will understand. I doubt the IBM program would get it.
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Yeah probably CDMA... can't remember :P
But the (very) cheap phone I bought in Oz did not pick a signal up in the US (was a single band). Yeah I tried out of interest.
A little off-topic but I believe the emergancy number for a cell phone is 123 and that should work in _any_ country regardless of if you have credit. As long as the phone can get any signal. So a British or Aussie ophone in the US is useless.
I was in Oz last year and had a cell phone over there and half the time I didn't get my carriers signal but it had a big 'SOS Calls ONLY' meaning it had found SOMETHING it could connect to and dial out in an emergancy. Couldn't make any other phone calls but could at least do that. Of course the time we saw this huge bush fire we had no signal and couldn't do anything but there is the CDMS / Satellite phone combo thing if you want 100% coverage in Oz (the only type of phone, so the adverts say, that would work EVERYWHERE in Australia).
Well considering my local Police Force (in the UK) is the Avon and Somerset Constabulary and they actually have some of the crap 999 calls on there website here
With such wonders as "A female caller has dialled 999 to request help in finding her spectacles." You can listen to the actual recordings (with subtitles if you want as some have a lot of background noise).
This is probably why they are going to introduce another number when it is not 'life threatening".
It's true, our second chamber is unelected. Lords become members by a complex mixture of appointment, religion, appelation, hereditary entitlement and self-election, which frankly I can't work out.
It's simple. Donate^H^H^H^H^H^H Loan money to labour, get a peerage.
Shame I don't have a spare million or two lying around. Could do with a peerage...
OK, I'll bite.
Nothing you say contricts anything I said. He was jailed for speaking. The so called "recruitment" was simply saying things. Did you read the article you linked to? Here are some quotes.
OK so Osama is a really nice guy as he just said it? Saddahm is a nice guy because he just said 'go kill this guy'. OK so that guy did it, but Saddahm didn't actually kill them?
And yes I did read the article.
"In court the jury had to base their verdicts on a series of nine speeches caught on video and audio tape - speeches that the prosecution claimed showed Abu Hamza, the former imam of Finsbury Park mosque, encouraging people to murder and stirring up racial hatred."
The evidence consisted of nine speeches.
That they had evidence of. It is still evidence. Stirring up racial hatred IS a crime. Are you saying that someone who murders one person who is seen by one person is better then a murderer who is seen by lots of people?
"Also found at the house was an Encyclopaedia of Afghani Jihad, which contained detailed advice on making bombs and recommended potential terrorists should choose targets like Big Ben, the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty to publicise their cause."
They found a book in his house.
Yes a book. On how to kill people through terrorism. That is not what he was arrested for though.
"In total the jury was given some 600 pages of Abu Hamza's speeches to consider, and provided with a glossary of Arabic terms in order to understand the Islamic religious terms so often used in his sermons."
Once again he was convicted of saying things.
Again it was WHAT he was saying. Racial hatred is a crime, incitement to violence is a crime, incitement to murder is a crime.
"This guy said (from the story linked) in regard to Jews that "They are enemies to one another and Allah has cursed them. This is why he sent Hitler for them." And that "Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it is OK - even if there is no reason for it," he says. (Kafir meaning non-muslim)."
Wow. Saying you should kill jews is now a crime in the UK. He didn't actually kill jews, he just said you should kill them. Meanwhile british troops were ACTUALLY killing muslims in Iraq.
Yes it is a crime, it comes under incitement to racial hatred, incitement to violence, incitement to murder. Basically trying to get someone to commit a crime is a crime in itself.
What's worse, saying you should kill people or actually killing people?
This has nothing to do with it. Yes murdering someone is worse then telling someone to murder them. Is this like saying Jack the ripper isn't as bad as Harold Shipman because he killed less people? Well yes if you want to say that he is 'better'. But he is STILL a murderer.
"He is also wanted in the US under terrorism charges."
Why doesn't that surprise me.
So because you don't like the US you ignore anything they say? Sounds like you also don't like the UK (or at least the laws there).
Bottom line is he broke the laws of the country and was arrested.
It was dropped a while back. For IE5 and before I think it was, you could only have 40 bit encryption. They then relaxed the rules for financial institutions (I worked for one previously) so banks and the like could have strong encryption, then they dropped all the rules (at least to the UK) and you could get a patch. I remember a microsoft page that had a big list of places you couldn't export to - Cuba, Iraq, Iran and the like.
If you mean former Imam Abu Hamza, the guy with a hook, then you may want to read this bit about him where he is allegedly recruiting terrorists and giving out information on how to pick your targets. That is incitement to violence and murder.
This guy said (from the story linked) in regard to Jews that "They are enemies to one another and Allah has cursed them. This is why he sent Hitler for them." And that "Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason, you can say it, it is OK - even if there is no reason for it," he says. (Kafir meaning non-muslim). He is also wanted in the US under terrorism charges.
'Well yes Mrs. Clinton Roden thingy whatever you're calling yourself now. We have your new posters for your 2008 presidential campaign right here on this compu.. OH MY GOD IT'S FORMATTING ITSELF!'
OK maybe a little extreme but you know SOME people would love to use backdoors like this for this sort of thing.
When I first heard about this as a kid, the next time I had a bath I spun the water the other way just to see if it would stop and redo itself the 'right' way. Rather upsettingly to me (at the time) it didn't.
:P
Yeah I was a sad kid
I read about the actual stuff they tried to get passed into law and it stated some pretty stupid things. Like the home secretary can change stuff held on the card without getting it checked through the houses of parliament (so if they want to add an RFID chip or eye scans...). And if the details were wrong you had to pay the cash even if THEY had screwed it up.
I can't remember where I saw the link now, was through the register I believe, but went to another site (possibly this one).
With regard to Americans (like my GF) who say they already have ID cards with their drivers licence. These ones will be linked (well according to the no2id website) to almost EVERYTHING. NHS, Tax, National Insurance, various 'agencies' selected by the government.
The information it says it will hold is a load (read it all here. And I do like how the home secretary is allowed to change any of it, without your consent.
OK so I know it's been kicked out by the Lords and not all of this may make it through but this shit scares the hell out of me. I'm trying to get my ass out of the country and somewhere else!
Told you I was probably missing something :)
Can I just point out people have done the maths (yes maths, I'm English) on this before.
As the article says: Free legal downloads for $6 a month. DRM free. The artists get paid. Imagine a world where music and movies could be freely exchanged online, where artists are recompensed and the labels don't lose a cent, and where 12-year old girls need not fear harboring an MP3 of their favorite TV show theme tune on their PC.
- Your Honour, I'm afraid we lost the key
- How are you making more copies?
- Well we are using the master CD to make duplicates, but we can't find the original key we had.
- Well why not just use that master CD to find it?
- Well, your Honour, that would be a breach of the DMCA.
OK I'm probably missing something here, but I'm sure there is SOME way around it - companies would be willing to get their lawyers to find some loophole here surely, or bribe a congressman to get one into law. And if the master CD hold the key too easily wouldn't everyone have it if it wasn't encrypted?
I used to get a lift to work and the guy who drove me swore blind the middle and left lanes you could just sit there and the outside lane was the 'overtaking lane'. He wouldn't accept me telling him that actually EVERY lane except the left is overtaking (depending on how many lanes you have).
:)
And some links if people are interested.
Three lane dual carriageway
Some Motorway information
Road signs, if anyone cares
A while back I was in New York (state) on the west side and a mate who lives there and I were having a few beers out in the back garden (the driveway comes out the back and he parks in the back garden). He suddenly realised he had his car keys on him and threw them at the back door. I asked why and he said that being drunk NEAR your car with the keys can get you a DUI.
Now I don't live in New York so not sure of the laws there. Was my mate mistaken or is it just the county he was in (can't remember that, was a town called Batavia somewhere near Rochester IIRC)
The bandage is wound around the wound.
The farm was used to produce produce.
The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
We must polish the Polish furniture.
He could lead if he could get the lead out.
The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.
A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
I did not object to the object.
The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
They were too close to the door to close it.
The buck does funny things when the does are present.
A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
After a number of injections my jaw got number.
Upon seeing the tear in the painting, I shed a tear.
I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
Naaa... English is just SO easy to learn (OK, learn WELL). With all these words that are spelt the same and pronounced differently depending on context. I was travelling around Oz last year and met a bunch of people from different countries and all of them apologised for their bad English. I tried to point out a few of these sentences to show how really annoying English is to learn properly. Hell I have trouble and English is my first language!
No, it just depends how many people you copy paste from. 1 is plaigurising (sp?), 5 is research ;)
Or the episode of One Foot In The Grave which had only ONE GUY in it, sat at home. He did answer the phone (but you only heard HIM speaking).. Actually I thought it was very funny.
The writing is always more important then the number of people or sets.
Or Dick Spring, the Irish politician
I remember an article in the Sunday Times (in the UK) many years ago titled 'Every picture tells a story, but first pick the story'. Various tabloids in the UK had done this and the examples I can remember are:
A picture of a politician, who was known to come from a working class family, with a bottle of champagne or similar in front of him. They had removed the pint of bitter he actually HAD.
A picture of a funeral for the grieving widow kissing who was supposedly her lover on the lips. Actually this picture was not doctored, he had kissed her on the cheek but video was taken of it, and he moved past her lips (from the camera perspective) and they had taken the exact frame it looked like he was kissing her on her lips.
A picture of the late Princess Diana looking all unhappy because she was upset with her marriage, looking down at the ground and not making eye contact with anyone. Actually she was looking at a war memorial, on the ground and of course looked unhappy because it was a memorial! They showed a similar photo later that day with her laughing and smiling.
A picture of a man and a woman on a boat, who both had partners. He had his arm around her, but in actuality they had reversed the image of him - he had his arm on the rudder or something!
Yes some of them got fined over some of these, but it is WAY to easy to do.
Several if it's not base 10 ;)
And if we want to get REALLY picky about not being 'live live' then simply transmitting the signal takes a second or two.
;)
I phoned a mate once, I had cable TV he had satellite and his TV was about 2-3 seconds behind mine. I tried to piss him off by telling him what was about to happen
So if the writer wants to get pedantic, NOTHING is live unless you see it. Well even then it takes a moment for the light / sound to reach you.
I figure though, if it's no more then a minute or two old it's live!
I would if I had mod points...
and hadn't already posted above...
or this time...
erm..
OK someone else do it!
- Wait, no-one is that interested in an OS that by default looks like a 5 year old with a box of crayons made it. What do we do?
- Well why don't we flog it to our friends and family? I mean we have enough employees, they MUST have some family members that we can sell copies of.
- But what if their machines won't work?
- Well just get them to buy a new machine then they won't realise how much they are paying for XP!
OK so I'm ranting now but I started reading the Q&A and was kinda hopefull, he seemed like a nice guy, but reading the line about making his grandmother buy a new PC so he would support it makes him sound like an asshole.
I mean my GFs sister is still running 95 on a really ancient machine and I suggested it would probably be easier if she upgraded (PC that is - perhaps running Ubuntu on it or something) but I'm still giving her the tech support she needs, even if she won't upgrade (which at the moment she has more important things to spend her money on like her kids then just buying a new PC).
On another note, I wonder if he's reading this story to check up on the responses?
Darmok and Jilad at Tanagra. Chaka...when the walls fell. Sinda - His face black, his eyes red. Temba, his arms open.
Of course even that is a culteral reference which only trekkies (er trekkers or whatever it is now) will understand. I doubt the IBM program would get it.