IIRC in England a company is referred to in the plural as in a goup of people makes a company. So they would say Sony are doing this or that. In the US, we say is. Don't know why the distinction.
I'll let you have the last response since I don't intend to read anymore of your technically ignorant blatherings going forward, keep digging that hole though if you wish.
Oh yeah, "La la la, I win! I can't hear you! La la la!". Don't run from me. You go on and on about how you can "change classes" blah blah blah but you have yet to give me one specific example. I have my jail broken iPad sitting in front of me. Please just give one really good example of what you are talking about that I can't do with my Xoom. I'm waiting. If you don't have anything I'll take your silence as tacit submission.
To do what exactly. "Changing a class" is just a means to an an end. What are you trying to accomplish?
Cydia makes code injection trivial for any class in an application - without having to take apart anything
You are so blinded by fanaticism that you can't see something so simple as the fact that a) when an app is taken apart on android and changes to it are made then its put back together you aren't relying on something so crude as injecting code at run time. You now have a new application that can be installed on any device in the futere rooted or not and changes persist.
f all you want to do is change an icon why are you blathering on about how jailbreaking is only themes?
You're inventing a narrative as I said no such thing.
I don't have to do any of that, I can simply modify a system class at one point.
You are talking about 2 completely different things. Also, you are getting subjective and pretending like your opinion carries some special weight. It doesn't. You're just another loudmouth fan boy who thinks his way is best.
That's why it's better for hacking, much less effort for the same level of system or application modification
You're delusional if you think changing classes at run time is easier or as exhaustive as a complete recompile of a binary. If what you are saying is right we'd all just do it your way when writing applications. I mean fuck writing anything from scratch I'll just change a class on $EXISTING_APP. Laughable.
an it be run on a wristwatch?
I don't know but I do know you can use your phone as a workbench or serving platter at a party. How handy.
Your attempt at a stupid snark answer doesn't conceal that you've reached a fundamental limit to your "change classes" approach. I have the source code therefore Android runs on my watch if I want it to. And it does. How many classes would you have to change to run iOS on new hardware? That's what I thought.
Like what for example? Without even jail breaking Android, I can take any apk apart, make changes and put it back together. And the Android system itself is open source so I can root my device, download the source code to the operating system and make any changes I want. I have a jail broken iPad and several rooted Android devices. Yeah I can make a few changes to the iPad here and there like replacing spring board and enabling the installation of unsigned apps. Both capabilities of which android has out of the box btw. But I can't even get a decent python install on it. What's available sucks. With Android, I can chroot an entire GNU/Linux install like Debian on it. I'm sure there are a lot of really cool superficial mods that can be done with iOS but can it be run on a wristwatch?
I'm not trying to take anything away from Canonical. I wish them the best of financial success and have used every version of Ubuntu in some capacity since 2007. I hope they can work out a deal with every Android OEM in existence to become an integral part of their products. As a matter of fact, if they could team up with Google and be integrated with AOSP, I would be ecstatic. My problem is, why actively keep it from the community. That doesn't make sense to me. The ROM makers like Cyanogenmod aren't going to hurt you. Besides, you're talking what, 5 percent of the market? It's not going to hurt them and can only add to the good will.
According to what I read, they're planning on keeping it from the community and only working it in with OEM's on future devices. Where did you go wrong Canonical?
I'd really like to believe what you're saying here but there is just one problem. JavaScript is at least an order of magnitude slower than the equivalent native code meaning an application all things being equal has to have an order of magnitude less computational complexity to be as responsive than the same thing in js. I know I know. Computer waits on the user etc. The only thing is an a mobile application developer, I tried and tried to make JavaScript HTML and CSS work. I tried webview I tried phone gap I tried titanium ad nauseum. For anything of even moderate complexity all of that is a nonstarter. Why? lag lag lag. Until something like google dart or nacl becomes a reality browser apps will be novelties next to their desktop counterparts and office 365 is no substitute for the real thing. As an aside, I can easily make a case for a mix. Client side native app with a srltrong cloud tie in.
No, fuck open api's and open source, and open imolementation. What we need is open architecture and open synergistic competence stacks. Open forward thinking end of day open crowd sourced open revenue open models. Open. Do I win anything?
Where did the Ggp say anything about maintaining every library he relies on? He said go that route as a last resort while adapting to the new API. Where do you put all the straw men you build because you have quite a collection going from this thread.
Yeah, forking xfree86 and open office is hard. Try doing the same thing with MS Office or Quartz and see how far you get no matter how much money and manpower you have. Now keep acting like you are too dumb to see the difference.
Has it occurred to any of you open API vs source jokes that you are talking about two completely different things? Software can be open or closed with or without api's. Duh. What the hell is wrong with you people?
So by your logic, why even bother to have dictionaries? Surely formal definitions are just another group of people arrogantly co-opting the language right? Right? The mind boggles.
What the fuck are you talking about? Your run-on sentence doesn't make a lick of sense. The guy said if somebody finds it worthwhile to fork something then they can. What's your problem, asshole?
Every system can't be emulated. Not to mention the difficulty of finding installation media for many older systems. Or the legalities. Also, pretending that porting open source applications is equally as difficult as proprietary software is flat out laughable. Where do you people come from?
Slashdot Mirror
IIRC in England a company is referred to in the plural as in a goup of people makes a company. So they would say Sony are doing this or that. In the US, we say is. Don't know why the distinction.
This game is pretty good and well worth the $4.99.
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I'll let you have the last response since I don't intend to read anymore of your technically ignorant blatherings going forward, keep digging that hole though if you wish.
Oh yeah, "La la la, I win! I can't hear you! La la la!". Don't run from me. You go on and on about how you can "change classes" blah blah blah but you have yet to give me one specific example. I have my jail broken iPad sitting in front of me. Please just give one really good example of what you are talking about that I can't do with my Xoom. I'm waiting. If you don't have anything I'll take your silence as tacit submission.
How would you change a single class?
To do what exactly. "Changing a class" is just a means to an an end. What are you trying to accomplish?
Cydia makes code injection trivial for any class in an application - without having to take apart anything
You are so blinded by fanaticism that you can't see something so simple as the fact that a) when an app is taken apart on android and changes to it are made then its put back together you aren't relying on something so crude as injecting code at run time. You now have a new application that can be installed on any device in the futere rooted or not and changes persist.
f all you want to do is change an icon why are you blathering on about how jailbreaking is only themes?
You're inventing a narrative as I said no such thing.
I don't have to do any of that, I can simply modify a system class at one point.
You are talking about 2 completely different things. Also, you are getting subjective and pretending like your opinion carries some special weight. It doesn't. You're just another loudmouth fan boy who thinks his way is best.
That's why it's better for hacking, much less effort for the same level of system or application modification
You're delusional if you think changing classes at run time is easier or as exhaustive as a complete recompile of a binary. If what you are saying is right we'd all just do it your way when writing applications. I mean fuck writing anything from scratch I'll just change a class on $EXISTING_APP. Laughable.
an it be run on a wristwatch?
I don't know but I do know you can use your phone as a workbench or serving platter at a party. How handy.
Your attempt at a stupid snark answer doesn't conceal that you've reached a fundamental limit to your "change classes" approach. I have the source code therefore Android runs on my watch if I want it to. And it does. How many classes would you have to change to run iOS on new hardware? That's what I thought.
Slash dot: come for the nerdy news, stay for the complete off their rocker paranoid loon bags. I'll go pop some corn.
Like what for example? Without even jail breaking Android, I can take any apk apart, make changes and put it back together. And the Android system itself is open source so I can root my device, download the source code to the operating system and make any changes I want. I have a jail broken iPad and several rooted Android devices. Yeah I can make a few changes to the iPad here and there like replacing spring board and enabling the installation of unsigned apps. Both capabilities of which android has out of the box btw. But I can't even get a decent python install on it. What's available sucks. With Android, I can chroot an entire GNU/Linux install like Debian on it. I'm sure there are a lot of really cool superficial mods that can be done with iOS but can it be run on a wristwatch?
Yeah , reading his article on my galaxy nexus I must admit his criticisms strike me as a bit...quaint.
Cute. How's this for a modification?
Absolutely. I despise shitty little cities where people are running over all of each other like rats in a cage. Give me Phoenix any day over Boston.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Canonical. I wish them the best of financial success and have used every version of Ubuntu in some capacity since 2007. I hope they can work out a deal with every Android OEM in existence to become an integral part of their products. As a matter of fact, if they could team up with Google and be integrated with AOSP, I would be ecstatic. My problem is, why actively keep it from the community. That doesn't make sense to me. The ROM makers like Cyanogenmod aren't going to hurt you. Besides, you're talking what, 5 percent of the market? It's not going to hurt them and can only add to the good will.
According to what I read, they're planning on keeping it from the community and only working it in with OEM's on future devices. Where did you go wrong Canonical?
Should you ever find yourself on the freaking moon, I'm thinking properly functioning web apps will be the .east of your concerns. Just saying.
I'd really like to believe what you're saying here but there is just one problem. JavaScript is at least an order of magnitude slower than the equivalent native code meaning an application all things being equal has to have an order of magnitude less computational complexity to be as responsive than the same thing in js. I know I know. Computer waits on the user etc. The only thing is an a mobile application developer, I tried and tried to make JavaScript HTML and CSS work. I tried webview I tried phone gap I tried titanium ad nauseum. For anything of even moderate complexity all of that is a nonstarter. Why? lag lag lag. Until something like google dart or nacl becomes a reality browser apps will be novelties next to their desktop counterparts and office 365 is no substitute for the real thing. As an aside, I can easily make a case for a mix. Client side native app with a srltrong cloud tie in.
Nice non sequitur.
I see you learned a new word. Now go learn what it means. Can you sense the irony?
No, fuck open api's and open source, and open imolementation. What we need is open architecture and open synergistic competence stacks. Open forward thinking end of day open crowd sourced open revenue open models. Open. Do I win anything?
they're coming off as whiny children.
No, you've got that angle all sewed up, fella. Trust me.
Where did the Ggp say anything about maintaining every library he relies on? He said go that route as a last resort while adapting to the new API. Where do you put all the straw men you build because you have quite a collection going from this thread.
Virtualization is worthless of the architecture is different. Emulation is the only way around that and that only works if you have an emulator.
Yeah, forking xfree86 and open office is hard. Try doing the same thing with MS Office or Quartz and see how far you get no matter how much money and manpower you have. Now keep acting like you are too dumb to see the difference.
Has it occurred to any of you open API vs source jokes that you are talking about two completely different things? Software can be open or closed with or without api's. Duh. What the hell is wrong with you people?
It seems to have attracted a lot of attention from the closed source zealots so I guess it did its job.
This is one of the stupidest long winded rants I've seen on here in a while. You should hang out with that apk guy.
So by your logic, why even bother to have dictionaries? Surely formal definitions are just another group of people arrogantly co-opting the language right? Right? The mind boggles.
What the fuck are you talking about? Your run-on sentence doesn't make a lick of sense. The guy said if somebody finds it worthwhile to fork something then they can. What's your problem, asshole?
Every system can't be emulated. Not to mention the difficulty of finding installation media for many older systems. Or the legalities. Also, pretending that porting open source applications is equally as difficult as proprietary software is flat out laughable. Where do you people come from?