Their money will be hoarded for longer, not benefiting the system. They'll probably try to argue the average life expectancy is up therefore we should cut everyone's social security benefits... RIAA/MPAA and ilk will argue we now need longer copyright terms -- patent holders will do the same...
I'm sorry, how is this different from the way things are now?
At what time and against whom has Google used a single patent offensively? Should they just allow themselves to remain defenseless against the Apple MS Oracle et al onslaught? Yeah right.
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One of the main reasons I stopped playing games is I couldn't stomach the level of intellectual insults I was enduring anymore. And I moved to Linux. That too.
Considering Google has something like 90 percent market share in most countries, are saying 90 percent of people dont pay for things? I'd say your post is an epoc fail.
Nice answer fucknuts, no proof, not even any experience with the product, just "nu uh!".
Sigh...
I own an HD7. Office on it is just another cut down mobile Office-a-like that has a small fraction of the features of its desktop counterpart. Editing documents on it is torture on a tiny screen, you can't even switch fonts. Nobody cared about Office on Windows Mobile judging by its dismal performance in the marketplace and it's not a compelling selling point on wp7 because if it was, the damned things would be selling. In short, nobody cares about Office anywhere except on their desktops. Next.
Now let us see what he is AFRAID TO SHOW YOU because it is the TRUTH. The CORRECT quote is "As far as the user is concerned there is NO CLI in windows"
As far as the user is concerned, there's not a lot of things in a lot of things. Newsflash: advanced functionality is for advanced users. Duh. All you are illustrating is the typical Windows user is clueless about the features embedded in their OS of choice. They probably don't know much about "Administrative Tools" either. But for advanced uses, like, oh, I don't know, Goup Policy editing, it is a must. So, to follow your logic, there is no such thing as "Group Policy Editor" in Windows. You are a myopic trollish fool.
Linux? Puts the terminal on the desktop
You are a fucking liar. Ubuntu which is the distro in use by half of Linux desktop users does not put anything on the desktop. To access the terminal, you have make multiple clicks through the menu. It is well hidden. So not only are you a troll but you are an ignorant liar.
walk up to 100 people in the street and ask them "How do you call up command line in Windows" and you know what you are gonna get? "Whats a command line"
Why don't you do that? Because you are talking completely out of your ass? Thought so. Think about it, if you can. Out of the total population of Windows users, a certain percentage is going to know what the command prompt is. What percentage that is, I don't know but I guarantee you it is above zero. And you know it. So not only are you ignorant and a liar but you are also intellectually dishonest.
I don't want to blow your teeny tiny little pea brain but let's put the situation another way since you are so fond of "statistics". By definition, more technically literate people are going to be using Ubuntu because it takes a willful choice to install it on your hardware in the first place. So, we are already talking about people with above average aptitude with computers. What percentage of the pop uses Linux? About 1-2 percent depending on who you ask. What percentage of people can probably tell you what the command prompt is on windows? Probably the same 1-2 percent. Think about it, simpleton.
if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos
The same reason they have their own support area where you can download their drivers for hardware running Windows. And that driver model that you call "shit" --as if a pathetic piece of shit like you could even begin to recognize driver code if it slapped you in the face-- is the reason the Linux kernel runs on everything from embedded gumstick sized arm boards all the way up to supercomputers and everything in between. It's called portability, stupid. It's the reason Google chose to keep Dalvik for Android. So that I can install Android on my netbook and actually use the apps. One of the main reasons the Linux kernel is so portable and fills so many niches is because many of the drivers are in the kernel and can be compiled right along with it. So my USB 3G dongle that works on my x86 laptop also works on my Asus Transformer. Thank you, Linus Torvalds. Fuck you bassbeast.
How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS
And that is the reason no one is migrating to Android â" NO APPS.
Uh, are we talking about the same Android that is number one worldwide in smartphones, is the fastest growing OS percentagewise period, and has an app store brimming with hundreds of thousands of applications in addition to the other many thousands of applications that aren't in the regular Google Market? That's the one you are saying has "NO APPS"? How is the weather on whatever planet you live on?
Google is scrambling for something good and all they can think of doing is what everyone else is doing, with a slight twist.
So, what is wrong with competition? Do you really think there should be One True Provider of every product and that's it? If Google thinks they can do better, then so be it. Let them try.
My personal order of preference is Stable, Unstable and Testing.
You can of course make the argument that this isn't a "recommendation" and that they are not specifically recommending that people not use Testing but here's the reality. The guy that wrote the Debian FAQ put in the faq that he prefers Stable first then Unstable and lastly Testing. Considering there are only three (experimental?) choices and Testing is dead last with the caveat that breakage might not get fixed for months and that is in the official FAQ for the project it is for all intents and purposes a recommendation for regular users (and that's who we are talking about) not to use Testing.
The non-free repos weren't turned on with the install. You had to edit the relevant line in/etc/apt/sources.list. For a newb just feeling his way around, this is not an option. Which is really the whole point. Saying somebody that is new should just take the time to tweak, etc. is flat out hand waving. It can take some people months of exploration before they stumble upon how to do certain things or they can happen on it in a day. That is not even remotely close to what you are arguing which is that the "right default setting wasn't to their liking". It's two completely different things. Critical hardware not working and me not having a clue how to fix it is not equal to not liking "the default setting". You are trying to argue that it is which is ridiculous. I did what many Ubuntu users do. I moved on to something (Ubuntu) that I could make work then when I was more competent, I moved back to Debian or did you miss the part where I said all of my servers use Debian? The reason I use it on the desktop is because I happen to like Unity, I like the Ubuntu community and a whole lot of other things about the distro. Slandering me by saying I am a "lost cause" and won't ever understand choice is completely false and unjustified.
By the way, don't get me wrong, I'm ok with people using Ubuntu, derivatives are a good thing, and I'm happy they are around.
Real funny quote when considered next to your previous statement.
You are talking to Ubuntu users, the same guys that left Debian because the "right default setting" (tm) (r) wasn't to their likings. It's a lost cause, they wont ever understand the word "choice"...
Nope. I was illustrating a very small snapshot in time. I had just began and didn't know very much about Linux. Maybe you are one of those ADHD folks who is always a perpetual beginner at everything he does as he doesn't have the attention span to stick around and learn more but that doesn't describe everybody.
P.S: FYI, Debian and Ubuntu are both using the Linux kernel
Nawww...Really? You should probably educate yourself on the fact that if a binary blob module is compiled for one particular kernel and the OEM doesn't support it on any other ones, you are stuck on that kernel unless you reverse engineer a new driver. Just ask the guys that are trying to port newer kernels on some of the tablet/cell phone hardware out there. So before you shoot your mouth off about it all being the same, you should probably consume some text on the matter.
so saying one hardware only works with Ubuntu is just plain wrong
Did you even read what I said? It worked out of the box with Ubuntu. I didn't say it only works with Ubuntu. Not too long after that, I discovered the issue was the lack of the zd1211 firmware in the Debian repos that was present in Ubuntu. So, contrary to your ignorant gum-flapping, it wasn't even the hardware itself that wasn't supported as the driver was actually in the Etch repo, it was the firmware that was missing. After I figured that out, I picked Debian back up and used it for a while (still to this day on servers) so your little rant about it being some kind of "lost cause" is plain bullshit. Basically, you are an arrogant prick who thinks he can bully new Linux users. What a pathetic loser you must be.
the same guys that left Debian because the "right default setting" (tm) (r) wasn't to their likings.
I just want to go back to this gem. What about people that want actual up to date supported packages that aren't in backports? What should they do? Use Testing? Barring the fact that most of the packages in testing are months out of date, Debian themselves recommends people not use Testing as bug fixes aren't merged fast enough. So, I guess the noob should just use Sid? How do they install it? Can an experienced user install Sid? Of course. But how does a noob do it? By the time you are done massaging Debian into being a good up to date desktop experience, you've re-created Ubuntu. So you might as well let somebody who has the time on their hands do all the work for you and just use Ubuntu.
Wow, somebody else that gets it. Unity has a ton of promise and its pretty nice right now. Like you said, the api for the launcher is fantastic. I made one for all of my "places" on the file manager icon. I have the Software Center icon set to give me the option of Synaptic or Update Manager. I'm loving the new progress indicator that they integrated as well. And if you love the panel, you'll also love the indicator-applet api. You can whip up a tray app in just a few minutes with python. I made one that when I click it, it drops down a menu to either pause or kill any process using over 40 percent CPU. And there are indicators that replicate the old system monitor from gnome 2 and the old main menu from gnome 2. If you're into programming, check it out!
I do Android development in Eclipse for my day job. One of my workstations is Ubuntu 11.04 running Unity and the other is 11.10 running Unity. Neither of these machines has displayed the symptoms you mention.
Wait a minute. Who are you to say why anybody (especially the users) left Debian? Most people using Ubuntu didn't leave any other distro at all as Ubuntu is how they got started on Linux. I started on Ubuntu because unlike Debian, it actually supported my hardware out of the box. On Feisty Fawn, wi-fi worked and that was enough for me at the time. Some people like Firefox being in their repos and not Iceweasel (I know they are the same but people are people). Also, there was actual thought put into Unity and it is still a work in progress. The new indicator system is much cleaner than the older notification tray. I'm not crazy about the Mac-esque menu bar but you can change that. Also, the launcher still has far to go but even now, it does certain things better than any other dock on Linux.
I'm not trying to tell you what to like but it is a bit condescending to presume to know what motivates people to use a particular distro and then to dismiss them because of it.
There are a few things to like about Unity actually. I've been wanting to get around to writing a few custom tray apps for a while and just never got around to it but with Unity, writing indicator apps that sit in the "tray" is an absolute cinch. I also appreciate the consistency of the tray and the way you can just click on one and "scrub" the rest without having to click again. Linux has been needing this for a while as the Gnome notification area has been a mess.
Also, while I'm not completely thrilled with the new launcher, I've found that customizing icons' right click menus à la Windows 7 jump lists to be very simple as well. This is an extremely useful feature for applications like Chrome that have a few very useful modes like incognito. I just right click its icon and pick the one I want and adding new ones is easy. Unity also has progress indicators built into the launcher for certain applications. Thunderbird will tell you how many unread emails you have, etc.
I realize that all of this can be done in different ways but as it stands, the implementation of Unity does bring a lot to the table.
This works both ways though. I used to use Microsoft's Streets and Trips software when I traveled. I got around quite a bit so I used it quite extensively. There are many annoying things about this software but I was a very enthusiastic user so I used it anyway and sent in suggestions through every channel I could think of. How many of those suggestions do you think were implemented? I use Google Maps on my phone now and it isn't just because of the price.
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Their money will be hoarded for longer, not benefiting the system. They'll probably try to argue the average life expectancy is up therefore we should cut everyone's social security benefits... RIAA/MPAA and ilk will argue we now need longer copyright terms -- patent holders will do the same...
I'm sorry, how is this different from the way things are now?
At what time and against whom has Google used a single patent offensively? Should they just allow themselves to remain defenseless against the Apple MS Oracle et al onslaught? Yeah right.
I keed. I keed!
Considering Google has something like 90 percent market share in most countries, are saying 90 percent of people dont pay for things? I'd say your post is an epoc fail.
I stand corrected!
That can be changed fairly easily. I'm thinking this Silk Browser on the Kindle Fire not so much.
Nice answer fucknuts, no proof, not even any experience with the product, just "nu uh!".
Sigh...
I own an HD7. Office on it is just another cut down mobile Office-a-like that has a small fraction of the features of its desktop counterpart. Editing documents on it is torture on a tiny screen, you can't even switch fonts. Nobody cared about Office on Windows Mobile judging by its dismal performance in the marketplace and it's not a compelling selling point on wp7 because if it was, the damned things would be selling. In short, nobody cares about Office anywhere except on their desktops. Next.
Now let us see what he is AFRAID TO SHOW YOU because it is the TRUTH. The CORRECT quote is "As far as the user is concerned there is NO CLI in windows"
As far as the user is concerned, there's not a lot of things in a lot of things. Newsflash: advanced functionality is for advanced users. Duh. All you are illustrating is the typical Windows user is clueless about the features embedded in their OS of choice. They probably don't know much about "Administrative Tools" either. But for advanced uses, like, oh, I don't know, Goup Policy editing, it is a must. So, to follow your logic, there is no such thing as "Group Policy Editor" in Windows. You are a myopic trollish fool.
Linux? Puts the terminal on the desktop
You are a fucking liar. Ubuntu which is the distro in use by half of Linux desktop users does not put anything on the desktop. To access the terminal, you have make multiple clicks through the menu. It is well hidden. So not only are you a troll but you are an ignorant liar.
walk up to 100 people in the street and ask them "How do you call up command line in Windows" and you know what you are gonna get? "Whats a command line"
Why don't you do that? Because you are talking completely out of your ass? Thought so. Think about it, if you can. Out of the total population of Windows users, a certain percentage is going to know what the command prompt is. What percentage that is, I don't know but I guarantee you it is above zero. And you know it. So not only are you ignorant and a liar but you are also intellectually dishonest.
I don't want to blow your teeny tiny little pea brain but let's put the situation another way since you are so fond of "statistics". By definition, more technically literate people are going to be using Ubuntu because it takes a willful choice to install it on your hardware in the first place. So, we are already talking about people with above average aptitude with computers. What percentage of the pop uses Linux? About 1-2 percent depending on who you ask. What percentage of people can probably tell you what the command prompt is on windows? Probably the same 1-2 percent. Think about it, simpleton.
if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos
The same reason they have their own support area where you can download their drivers for hardware running Windows. And that driver model that you call "shit" --as if a pathetic piece of shit like you could even begin to recognize driver code if it slapped you in the face-- is the reason the Linux kernel runs on everything from embedded gumstick sized arm boards all the way up to supercomputers and everything in between. It's called portability, stupid. It's the reason Google chose to keep Dalvik for Android. So that I can install Android on my netbook and actually use the apps. One of the main reasons the Linux kernel is so portable and fills so many niches is because many of the drivers are in the kernel and can be compiled right along with it. So my USB 3G dongle that works on my x86 laptop also works on my Asus Transformer. Thank you, Linus Torvalds. Fuck you bassbeast.
How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS
And that is the reason no one is migrating to Android â" NO APPS.
Uh, are we talking about the same Android that is number one worldwide in smartphones, is the fastest growing OS percentagewise period, and has an app store brimming with hundreds of thousands of applications in addition to the other many thousands of applications that aren't in the regular Google Market? That's the one you are saying has "NO APPS"? How is the weather on whatever planet you live on?
This is a good thing!
Google is scrambling for something good and all they can think of doing is what everyone else is doing, with a slight twist.
So, what is wrong with competition? Do you really think there should be One True Provider of every product and that's it? If Google thinks they can do better, then so be it. Let them try.
No it's not.
Please, let me know exactly where you have read that we recommend people not to use testing!
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html [debian.org]
Go down to 3.1.5. The relevant quote is:
My personal order of preference is Stable, Unstable and Testing.
You can of course make the argument that this isn't a "recommendation" and that they are not specifically recommending that people not use Testing but here's the reality. The guy that wrote the Debian FAQ put in the faq that he prefers Stable first then Unstable and lastly Testing. Considering there are only three (experimental?) choices and Testing is dead last with the caveat that breakage might not get fixed for months and that is in the official FAQ for the project it is for all intents and purposes a recommendation for regular users (and that's who we are talking about) not to use Testing.
So I went ahead and downloaded http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/non-free/source/Sources.gz. And guess what? THE FIRMWARE WAS THERE!
The non-free repos weren't turned on with the install. You had to edit the relevant line in /etc/apt/sources.list. For a newb just feeling his way around, this is not an option. Which is really the whole point. Saying somebody that is new should just take the time to tweak, etc. is flat out hand waving. It can take some people months of exploration before they stumble upon how to do certain things or they can happen on it in a day. That is not even remotely close to what you are arguing which is that the "right default setting wasn't to their liking". It's two completely different things. Critical hardware not working and me not having a clue how to fix it is not equal to not liking "the default setting". You are trying to argue that it is which is ridiculous. I did what many Ubuntu users do. I moved on to something (Ubuntu) that I could make work then when I was more competent, I moved back to Debian or did you miss the part where I said all of my servers use Debian? The reason I use it on the desktop is because I happen to like Unity, I like the Ubuntu community and a whole lot of other things about the distro. Slandering me by saying I am a "lost cause" and won't ever understand choice is completely false and unjustified.
By the way, don't get me wrong, I'm ok with people using Ubuntu, derivatives are a good thing, and I'm happy they are around.
Real funny quote when considered next to your previous statement.
You are talking to Ubuntu users, the same guys that left Debian because the "right default setting" (tm) (r) wasn't to their likings. It's a lost cause, they wont ever understand the word "choice"...
Emphasis mine.
You are confirming what I just said
I did no such thing.
you've just posted a very good example of it.
Nope.
You are complaining about the default only.
Nope. I was illustrating a very small snapshot in time. I had just began and didn't know very much about Linux. Maybe you are one of those ADHD folks who is always a perpetual beginner at everything he does as he doesn't have the attention span to stick around and learn more but that doesn't describe everybody.
P.S: FYI, Debian and Ubuntu are both using the Linux kernel
Nawww...Really? You should probably educate yourself on the fact that if a binary blob module is compiled for one particular kernel and the OEM doesn't support it on any other ones, you are stuck on that kernel unless you reverse engineer a new driver. Just ask the guys that are trying to port newer kernels on some of the tablet/cell phone hardware out there. So before you shoot your mouth off about it all being the same, you should probably consume some text on the matter.
so saying one hardware only works with Ubuntu is just plain wrong
Did you even read what I said? It worked out of the box with Ubuntu. I didn't say it only works with Ubuntu. Not too long after that, I discovered the issue was the lack of the zd1211 firmware in the Debian repos that was present in Ubuntu. So, contrary to your ignorant gum-flapping, it wasn't even the hardware itself that wasn't supported as the driver was actually in the Etch repo, it was the firmware that was missing. After I figured that out, I picked Debian back up and used it for a while (still to this day on servers) so your little rant about it being some kind of "lost cause" is plain bullshit. Basically, you are an arrogant prick who thinks he can bully new Linux users. What a pathetic loser you must be.
the same guys that left Debian because the "right default setting" (tm) (r) wasn't to their likings.
I just want to go back to this gem. What about people that want actual up to date supported packages that aren't in backports? What should they do? Use Testing? Barring the fact that most of the packages in testing are months out of date, Debian themselves recommends people not use Testing as bug fixes aren't merged fast enough. So, I guess the noob should just use Sid? How do they install it? Can an experienced user install Sid? Of course. But how does a noob do it? By the time you are done massaging Debian into being a good up to date desktop experience, you've re-created Ubuntu. So you might as well let somebody who has the time on their hands do all the work for you and just use Ubuntu.
finite number of touchpads
It only takes one for it to be worth it. The one owned by the guy that does the porting. All the rest is gravy.
That was a bit harsh.
You must have dug really deep for that one. Don't hurt yourself.
Try this. You'll love it.
Can you automatically resume the connection when closing and reopening the browser? Gate One does this.
Wow, somebody else that gets it. Unity has a ton of promise and its pretty nice right now. Like you said, the api for the launcher is fantastic. I made one for all of my "places" on the file manager icon. I have the Software Center icon set to give me the option of Synaptic or Update Manager. I'm loving the new progress indicator that they integrated as well. And if you love the panel, you'll also love the indicator-applet api. You can whip up a tray app in just a few minutes with python. I made one that when I click it, it drops down a menu to either pause or kill any process using over 40 percent CPU. And there are indicators that replicate the old system monitor from gnome 2 and the old main menu from gnome 2. If you're into programming, check it out!
I do Android development in Eclipse for my day job. One of my workstations is Ubuntu 11.04 running Unity and the other is 11.10 running Unity. Neither of these machines has displayed the symptoms you mention.
the same guys that left Debian because
Wait a minute. Who are you to say why anybody (especially the users) left Debian? Most people using Ubuntu didn't leave any other distro at all as Ubuntu is how they got started on Linux. I started on Ubuntu because unlike Debian, it actually supported my hardware out of the box. On Feisty Fawn, wi-fi worked and that was enough for me at the time. Some people like Firefox being in their repos and not Iceweasel (I know they are the same but people are people). Also, there was actual thought put into Unity and it is still a work in progress. The new indicator system is much cleaner than the older notification tray. I'm not crazy about the Mac-esque menu bar but you can change that. Also, the launcher still has far to go but even now, it does certain things better than any other dock on Linux.
I'm not trying to tell you what to like but it is a bit condescending to presume to know what motivates people to use a particular distro and then to dismiss them because of it.
install gnome-shell
There are a few things to like about Unity actually. I've been wanting to get around to writing a few custom tray apps for a while and just never got around to it but with Unity, writing indicator apps that sit in the "tray" is an absolute cinch. I also appreciate the consistency of the tray and the way you can just click on one and "scrub" the rest without having to click again. Linux has been needing this for a while as the Gnome notification area has been a mess.
Also, while I'm not completely thrilled with the new launcher, I've found that customizing icons' right click menus à la Windows 7 jump lists to be very simple as well. This is an extremely useful feature for applications like Chrome that have a few very useful modes like incognito. I just right click its icon and pick the one I want and adding new ones is easy. Unity also has progress indicators built into the launcher for certain applications. Thunderbird will tell you how many unread emails you have, etc.
I realize that all of this can be done in different ways but as it stands, the implementation of Unity does bring a lot to the table.
can't you just remove the unity package
Of course you can but see the only problem with intellectual honesty is it leaves a whole lot less for people to whine about.
I'd rather have my advanced UI
# apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
-alternatively-
# apt-get install openbox fbpanel
I'm sure there are others that can chime in with many more suggestions.
This works both ways though. I used to use Microsoft's Streets and Trips software when I traveled. I got around quite a bit so I used it quite extensively. There are many annoying things about this software but I was a very enthusiastic user so I used it anyway and sent in suggestions through every channel I could think of. How many of those suggestions do you think were implemented? I use Google Maps on my phone now and it isn't just because of the price.