Of course a calculator and notepad don't generally run on start and stay in the background, which is generally the real problem with bloatware.
The real problem with bloatware is whatever the owner of the device thinks the real problem is. The clue there is the owner. You know, the person that should have the final say as to what is on their computer and what isn't.
And notepad and calculator were just examples. I don't have a Windows computer at my disposal here to find other ones like, oh, I don't know, defrag, firewall, and other various and sundry replaceable yet uninstallable crapware. Furthermore, the difference is notepad and calculator are uninstallable whether I find a better replacement or not. If I can completely obviate my need for notepad by installing notepad++, I should be able to remove notepad from my computer. If I cannot, then, by definition, it is bloatware no matter how small or trivial. On Linux, for example, you can do this. And Android doesn't even come with a text editor by default so if a device has one, the OEM put it in there.
Your definition of bloatware seems to be 'it comes with Windows', which is a pretty retarded definition for obvious reasons.
Do you regularly abuse people in real life when you disagree with them? Do you think that makes you cool?
I have to second the point about Sprint not balking at custom ROMs. My girlfriend's Epic 4G is running Synergy 1.2 and the people at the Sprint store didn't even blink when she brought it in to get the camera replaced. Very good experience.
This is just a damn shame. I remember not too long ago when everyone was so up in arms about how Apple was going to do this with OSX. Little did they know. How, pray tell, do they plan on stopping people from installing metro apps onto their machines? With Windows, you have administrator access so you should be able to install anything you want? Is this the end of that too?
And anyway, I can believe incompetence, stupidity, greed and all the rest for being at fault for why society is so broken. But malicious conspiracies? You'd need TALENT to do that.
I find Lenovos numbers quite suspect. When the Toichpad only sold 1/10 as many shipped units, Best Buy went apoplectic and demanded to ship them all back but, you are trying to tell me that when Samsung does the same, Best Buy is all cool about it and not a peep? So, where are the galaxy tabs? Sitting in best Buy's warehouse? Yeah. Sure.
I have never seen a windows box in my entire life that would not execute a file with.exe on the end of it. There very Well may be a way to change this behavior but for all intents and purposes, it may as well not exist. Maybe the next time my friend's machine gets hosed by the Trojan du jour I'll ask him if he "had the execute permissions which is assigned to users based on the perms on the file" set right. I mean, surely that is the default, right?
Well, since the DMCA exemption was granted in 2010, I'd say it stands to reason that those stats are out of date. And even at 10 percent, that is still many millions of iOS devices capable of running pirated software. The point I was making was that iOS is far from a "piracy free" platform which is what the person I was responded to was pretending it to be.
I didn't say it was prevalent or not. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Do you have statistics? The person I responded to said that iOS is piracy free which judging from the links I gave is an uninformed joke.
First, it requires you to jailbreak
There are millions of jailbroken iOS devices. Cydia's business model is based on that fact and they rake in millions yearly. Jailbreaking is such a reality today that there is a specific exemption from the DMCA specifically for it.
Then you have to patch the installer application to not verify IPA file signatures, this enables pirated IPAs to run.
You make it sound like people have to break out a hex editor. Don't make me laugh. It's a one-click affair.
Even then, it's obvious you're running a pirated binary - the OS requires a special set of keys to be present in the info.plist file so that it can run a decrypted binary (this same key is also present inside beta-test apps). Oh yeah, info.plist is in the same directory as the app itself, so it exists inside the sandbox and the app is perfectly free to access it at will. So it already knows it's pirated. (Many apps use this as it's basically foolproof - there's no way to avoid it).
Matters none as the ipa's themselves are patched. And Installous makes it easier to download and install programs than the app store does. I have never seen a platform that the user has an easier time finding and downloading apps than iOS and installous.
Contrast this with Android, where it seems piracy is basically prevalent
Contrast what? That it is trivial to pirate on both platforms and any developer who thinks his precious is safe from Teh Piratez just because of the platform he writes it for is sadly deluded. As are you.
your statement about setup is plain bullshit. You might have trouble finding your desired programs if you are new to windows vs. experienced Linux user, but once the machine is set up, it's done, it's there
Maybe in a perfect world that is true but in my day to day work, I am always faced with new challenges that I need a new tool for. Just recently, I had to write a python script to automate logging in and downloading a product spreadsheet for an ecommerce site one of my customers runs. Open up Synaptic and search for python and html, python-mechanize showed up, I clicked install and was off and running. Took about 1 minute. If you are claiming that it is just as easy to meet changing requirements on a windows system than Linux then you are just kidding yourself.
Good find. I know there's a dirty hack to support alt-click windows moving and resizing on Windows but I'd rather just use the system that supports it natively.
I'm averse to programming on Windows for two main reasons. Firstly, I use many small tools and some larger ones. When I need something, I just load up Synaptic and do a search, click the checkbox and hit install. Easy peasy. With Windows, I have to go to the website, find the right setup file, hope I'm even on the right site and not some phishing scammers look-a-like. It takes way too long to get my environment set up. Also, on Linux, I have many windows open at the same time and I like to be able to scroll with the mouse wheel without actually clicking on the window. Especially if the windows I want to scroll is partially hidden by a foreground windows that I won't to be able to look at while I'm scrolling the window beneath it. X allows this while explorer does not. I also like the Guake drop down terminal, GNU screen, bash, etc. without having to hack it all on the system.
But on the other hand, if you're already locked in for whatever reason, I don't think its a bad thing to have access to such a versatile and portable language such as python.
I'm sensing a false dichotomy in that statement somewhere.
And why would I use this over pydev anyway? I mean if I'm going to go the full monty and fire up a full development environment just to hack on a python script, why not use one that is free, cross platform and supports probably the best python plugin in existence?
Python is such a concise language, I feel little need for anything like auto-complete or formatting other than auto indent. However, if you like that kind of stuff, pydev in eclipse is probably the answer. The interactive interpreter it comes with has auto-complete too so it's pretty nice.
Yep, I used Windows for many years. Vista which 7 isn't far from is what drove me to Linux. After I got passed the initial learning curve, I realized it was the best computer related decision I ever made. And how did something like an OS get so holy that even the slightest criticism is considered "bashing"? Lastly, what did I say about Windows that was wrong?
Really? Windows 7 doesnt evenhave a configurable toolbar in the file manager? Wow. Learn something new everyday. Now I really like Dolphin in KDE4. I hear you guys don't have an "up" button either.
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Of course a calculator and notepad don't generally run on start and stay in the background, which is generally the real problem with bloatware.
The real problem with bloatware is whatever the owner of the device thinks the real problem is. The clue there is the owner. You know, the person that should have the final say as to what is on their computer and what isn't. And notepad and calculator were just examples. I don't have a Windows computer at my disposal here to find other ones like, oh, I don't know, defrag, firewall, and other various and sundry replaceable yet uninstallable crapware. Furthermore, the difference is notepad and calculator are uninstallable whether I find a better replacement or not. If I can completely obviate my need for notepad by installing notepad++, I should be able to remove notepad from my computer. If I cannot, then, by definition, it is bloatware no matter how small or trivial. On Linux, for example, you can do this. And Android doesn't even come with a text editor by default so if a device has one, the OEM put it in there.
Your definition of bloatware seems to be 'it comes with Windows', which is a pretty retarded definition for obvious reasons.
Do you regularly abuse people in real life when you disagree with them? Do you think that makes you cool?
When I can install a replacement but I can't uninstall the one that came with it, it counts as bloatware.
How do I uninstall calculator? Or notepad? Or any of the other programs included with Windows that would be called "bloatware" on any other platform?
Shut the fuck up.
I have to second the point about Sprint not balking at custom ROMs. My girlfriend's Epic 4G is running Synergy 1.2 and the people at the Sprint store didn't even blink when she brought it in to get the camera replaced. Very good experience.
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/devices
This is just a damn shame. I remember not too long ago when everyone was so up in arms about how Apple was going to do this with OSX. Little did they know. How, pray tell, do they plan on stopping people from installing metro apps onto their machines? With Windows, you have administrator access so you should be able to install anything you want? Is this the end of that too?
And anyway, I can believe incompetence, stupidity, greed and all the rest for being at fault for why society is so broken. But malicious conspiracies? You'd need TALENT to do that.
See, that's just what they want you to believe.~
I find Lenovos numbers quite suspect. When the Toichpad only sold 1/10 as many shipped units, Best Buy went apoplectic and demanded to ship them all back but, you are trying to tell me that when Samsung does the same, Best Buy is all cool about it and not a peep? So, where are the galaxy tabs? Sitting in best Buy's warehouse? Yeah. Sure.
I have never seen a windows box in my entire life that would not execute a file with .exe on the end of it. There very Well may be a way to change this behavior but for all intents and purposes, it may as well not exist. Maybe the next time my friend's machine gets hosed by the Trojan du jour I'll ask him if he "had the execute permissions which is assigned to users based on the perms on the file" set right. I mean, surely that is the default, right?
I usually foe people that troll Linux or Google. Why did I foe you? I can't remember.
Well, since the DMCA exemption was granted in 2010, I'd say it stands to reason that those stats are out of date. And even at 10 percent, that is still many millions of iOS devices capable of running pirated software. The point I was making was that iOS is far from a "piracy free" platform which is what the person I was responded to was pretending it to be.
IOS piracy is there, but it's not prevalent.
I didn't say it was prevalent or not. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Do you have statistics? The person I responded to said that iOS is piracy free which judging from the links I gave is an uninformed joke.
First, it requires you to jailbreak
There are millions of jailbroken iOS devices. Cydia's business model is based on that fact and they rake in millions yearly. Jailbreaking is such a reality today that there is a specific exemption from the DMCA specifically for it.
Then you have to patch the installer application to not verify IPA file signatures, this enables pirated IPAs to run.
You make it sound like people have to break out a hex editor. Don't make me laugh. It's a one-click affair.
Even then, it's obvious you're running a pirated binary - the OS requires a special set of keys to be present in the info.plist file so that it can run a decrypted binary (this same key is also present inside beta-test apps). Oh yeah, info.plist is in the same directory as the app itself, so it exists inside the sandbox and the app is perfectly free to access it at will. So it already knows it's pirated. (Many apps use this as it's basically foolproof - there's no way to avoid it).
Matters none as the ipa's themselves are patched. And Installous makes it easier to download and install programs than the app store does. I have never seen a platform that the user has an easier time finding and downloading apps than iOS and installous.
Contrast this with Android, where it seems piracy is basically prevalent
Contrast what? That it is trivial to pirate on both platforms and any developer who thinks his precious is safe from Teh Piratez just because of the platform he writes it for is sadly deluded. As are you.
a locked-down, piracy-free platform
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your statement about setup is plain bullshit. You might have trouble finding your desired programs if you are new to windows vs. experienced Linux user, but once the machine is set up, it's done, it's there
Maybe in a perfect world that is true but in my day to day work, I am always faced with new challenges that I need a new tool for. Just recently, I had to write a python script to automate logging in and downloading a product spreadsheet for an ecommerce site one of my customers runs. Open up Synaptic and search for python and html, python-mechanize showed up, I clicked install and was off and running. Took about 1 minute. If you are claiming that it is just as easy to meet changing requirements on a windows system than Linux then you are just kidding yourself.
Regarding your point about the scroll: http://gigaom.com/mobile/scroll-in-windows-without-the-cursor-focus/ - very first hit on google...
Good find. I know there's a dirty hack to support alt-click windows moving and resizing on Windows but I'd rather just use the system that supports it natively.
I'm averse to programming on Windows for two main reasons. Firstly, I use many small tools and some larger ones. When I need something, I just load up Synaptic and do a search, click the checkbox and hit install. Easy peasy. With Windows, I have to go to the website, find the right setup file, hope I'm even on the right site and not some phishing scammers look-a-like. It takes way too long to get my environment set up. Also, on Linux, I have many windows open at the same time and I like to be able to scroll with the mouse wheel without actually clicking on the window. Especially if the windows I want to scroll is partially hidden by a foreground windows that I won't to be able to look at while I'm scrolling the window beneath it. X allows this while explorer does not. I also like the Guake drop down terminal, GNU screen, bash, etc. without having to hack it all on the system.
Your sig is ironic juxtaposed with your post.
Because pydev is for Eclipse and Eclipse makes me want to blow my brains out?
Oh great, just what we need. Another IDE zealot. Eclipse vs Visual Studio is the new Vi vs Emacs. The more things change...
Meanwhile in the real world, people will just carry on using the best tool for the job.
But on the other hand, if you're already locked in for whatever reason, I don't think its a bad thing to have access to such a versatile and portable language such as python.
I'm sensing a false dichotomy in that statement somewhere.
And why would I use this over pydev anyway? I mean if I'm going to go the full monty and fire up a full development environment just to hack on a python script, why not use one that is free, cross platform and supports probably the best python plugin in existence?
Python is such a concise language, I feel little need for anything like auto-complete or formatting other than auto indent. However, if you like that kind of stuff, pydev in eclipse is probably the answer. The interactive interpreter it comes with has auto-complete too so it's pretty nice.
Yep, I used Windows for many years. Vista which 7 isn't far from is what drove me to Linux. After I got passed the initial learning curve, I realized it was the best computer related decision I ever made. And how did something like an OS get so holy that even the slightest criticism is considered "bashing"? Lastly, what did I say about Windows that was wrong?
Don't have to be a baker to know the bread's stale.
Really? Windows 7 doesnt evenhave a configurable toolbar in the file manager? Wow. Learn something new everyday. Now I really like Dolphin in KDE4. I hear you guys don't have an "up" button either.