No, it got popular by all the zealotry advertising it. It never was "better" than Opera, for example, but it did provide something you can point to while annoying the neighbor.
Bull and bull. It got popular because it was genuinely better.
Firefox's greatest asset is its extensions. That's why it is the
superior choice. Opera is great but it doesn't have the
customizability that FF has. You hear people all day long on here,
"I'd just switch to chrome but it doesn't have $EXTENSION so I'm
staying with firefox."
After all, if you tried that with Linux, the first response was invariably "does it have Excel?" or "can I play games?".
To which I say, where's your Office disk, I'll install it for you.
Office works great in Linux on Crossover and it is seamless. Now,
where are your game disks? Same story except that the vast
majority of computer users aren't gamers so that is a red herring anyway.
You're seriously delusional if you think that Windows servers are inferior to Linux servers in any way. (Well, "any" way is an overstatement, but any practical way.)
A Linux server can run on significantly lower powered hardware than
Windows Server can. For example, We have some application servers
than run perfectly on ARM boards. It's experimental for now but
it is working perfectly so far and will most likely be ramped up to production use in the near future. I'll let you do the math on the power and cost
savings. Since architectural dependence is a property of the OS, I'd
say Linux is actually superior in this regard. Am I also delusional if I find it quicker to administrate Linux with ssh than the alternatives on Windows? I have a remote desktop application for my phone but I'm
quite sure it would take longer than it does for me to ssh into my machines.
IIS is as good, or better, than Apache at all benchmarks, and has more features.
First of all, Linux web server != Linux web server running Apache. They
didn't stop making web servers that run on Linux when they made Apache in case you
didn't get the memo. Second of all, your assertion that IIS on Windows
is faster than Apache on Linux in all benchmarks is laughable.
I've never seen an RT25xx USB adapter work well under any OS.
My brother has 2 of them one made by Linksys and the other something
else. The one made by Linksys will immediately bluescreen Windows
XP by the mere fact of plugging it in. You have to disable the
service that automatically manages wi-fi adapters (whatever it's called,
I use Linux) to get it so you can even install the drivers. On
his Window 7 game machine, get this, he 4 boxes Everquest and when
he uses the other RT25xx adapter, he can 3 box but if he starts up
the fourth one, like clockwork, Window 7 bluescreens and of course
when you read it, you see the thing about the RT25xx driver having caused
the problem.
I tried his adapters on my Ubuntu netbook and the Linksys worked but
the other one would see the network but couldn't connect to it. Boggles the mind.
Same here except for utorrent (I use transmission in Ubuntu).
The only thing is, what if you want a certain cut of a particular
song that isn't the album version. Also, it's a bit faster, for me, to just click on Frostwire and
type in my search term vs finding the item on a torrent search
engine, plucking the particular track out of the album, and downloading that way. Usually for a particular song,
I guess I just find Frostwire to be a bit quicker on the draw.
I've been running Debian Lenny in a chroot on my G1 almost since
I first got the phone and it has been working perfectly the whole
time. I have the terminal app set to automatically initialize it
whenever I click on it. Takes less than a second to set the mount
points including a bind mount for the sdcard so I can access my data and get me going. For all intents and purposes, it may as
well be native. If I were so inclined, I could even start a vncserver
inside of it and run the chroot as a service and use GUI apps in
the vnc client that I have on the phone side-stepping the whole lack
of X issue.
I use this practically everyday for a number of things like rtorrent, htop, vim, and others. Most specifically, I have some
PHP and python scripts that have to run in tandem that won't work in
the Android Scripting Environment and they work excellently in Debian.
The only special requirements I see in making it happen is having a rooted
phone with ext2.ko and the chroot binary. For anyone that could actually
make real use of this, these should be trivial to accomplish. The only
downside is I can't load the fuse module so encfs and sshfs don't work but I'll bet if I looked around long enough, I'd find something.
At least for me, Android with these few modifications is just as much a Linux distro as anything else is.
Root it and install busybox which has vi built in. I got actual vim
on my G1 by rooting it and installing Debian in a chroot environment.
Now whenever I touch the terminal icon, it automatically starts up in
Debian. It only takes about a second to set the mount points and have
me logged in and since I did a bind mount of my sdcard inside of the
chroot, I have access to all of my data.
It's not the operating system's responsibility to allow the user to "get work done."
I'm sorry, what I meant by getting work done was the ability to essentially have everything there necessary to just sit down and as a last step, actually install your applications. I didn't mean to imply that the apps themselves were part of the OS. So, for example, a complete consumer OS has a graphical interface, sound, network, and a means to install software that is a little more advanced than hitting the 'net and "sinking or swimming". For a server, I mean networking, the ability to log into it in some way and, of course, a means to install your necessary applications.
As far as the rest, I'll just have to agree to disagree.
Presuming, of course, it's available from that repository..
True, however, in this case, it definitely is. Not only that but in my experience, it is very likely that whatever you are looking for will be in the repository. At last count there were something like 20,000 packages for Ubuntu and close to 30,000 for Debian. And if what you are looking for isn't in there, when you do find the program, you can make an installer for it and submit it for inclusion for the future so that when you upgrade, and you look for it, it'll be there. Also, if a program isn't in the repos, as a next step, as opposed to hunting around on downloads.com or whatever people use, you can just cruise over to this website which is run by Canonical the distributors of Ubuntu and offers a very large additional selection of apps that you can install that of course will auto-update along with the rest of your system. Now, of course, if all of this fails, you are back to square 1 but, I've had this fail very few times.
Is it perfect? No. But it is pretty good and one of the primary reasons I switched many moons ago.
I can't imagine that would be particularly effective against a company that isn't around anymore which is a very valid reason for a product to be abandoned.
And while you are conferring with your legal team, make sure they brief you on your rights of making copies of software that has been abandoned. Hint: in most jurisdictions this is still a breach of copyright, hence, legally, you can't. A good example of this, is the educational titles that were developed by MECC. TLC, who got the copyrights from Brøderbund, after MECC went under couldn't even locate the documents proving they owned the stuff so later on when they were lobbied to release the software as freeware, they couldn't. That stuff is now lost unless you don't care about the law. Had it been open source, there would never have been a problem. And what about OS/2? Good luck suing IBM over that.
Who know? I don't and likely you don't either. However, personally, I've never had an open source project that I've relied on cease development and leave me in a lurch as a result.
At least with open source, you have the option of continuing development either on your own or hiring people to do it for you. What do you do when a closed source project is abandoned by its developers?
I'm sure that in your opinion, Win7 runs acceptably well on your little laptop.
people that don't own win 7 netbooks should stop making comments about how win 7 doesn't work on netbooks
People should stop saying I said things I didn't say. Nice attempt at a strawman though. My point, and you proved it here:
yeah it doesn't have a touchscreen and weighs over two pounds.
those are tolerable attributes for your mini laptop but are a non-starter for a slate. You have to realize that Apple is
setting the standard with the iPad. It's selling like gangbusters and now people's expectation of what a slate should be is sub 2 pounds, always cool to the touch, no fan, and a dedicated touch screen with applications that are all designed to work with it (not just the OS) and more or less "I don't have to worry about it" battery life. That's is not happening on a netbook with the keyboard cut off and a touch screen plastered on. You can't get that kind of battery life, and fanless running on an Atom with Win7 unless you had it clocked at something like 400 MHz. How well would your Windows run at that speed?
The point is Windows 7 and Atom are based on architectures and code from another arena of computing. That is the reason MS has utterly failed at generating any kind of real adoption of Tablet based computing on the consumer level no matter how hard they've tried. Sure, you could put a UI on Windows and make it look like anything you want and they've done a good job of making the OS itself touch friendly but, to coin a phrase, "It's the apps, stupid." How do you use multi-touch pinch font zooming on an application that isn't designed for that? Do you set the pinch zoom to expand the window or the text inside of the window? Do you map it to a keyboard shortcut? Different apps have different shortcuts. How would you zoom streets and trips as that's the main gps mapping solution for Windows AFAICT; which btw, runs like ASS on an Atom, I've tried. And just like the iPhone set the touchscreen phone standard before it, the iPad is doing it again for the slate. As of April, people now expect a slate OS to work a certain way. For example, it should always run apps at full screen since that's how the iPad does it (for very good reason, it's coming). They'll expect differently from Windows so they will be confused. And that's even if you could put it on a slate like the iPad in the first place which is fantasy.
Let me say this: I don't have an iPad, but I've used one. My gf's uncle has one and I have messed around with it quite a bit so I know what's up. I have a phone that runs Android so I'm very familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of capacitive touch. Prior to that I had 1 WinMo2003 device and 2 WinMo5 devices so I know the pitfalls of using a stylus to run a touchscreen OS. I currently have an Acer Aspire One that came with XP but is now running Ubuntu and I've played around with netbooks running both XP and 7 at various times so I pretty much know what you're working with. Ubuntu/Windows+slate=fail. Apple gets this. HP obviously figured it out. Now it's time for the fanboys^H^H^H^H people like you to figure it out too.
P.S.
consider it has a 320GB hard drive, USB ports, a keyboard, SD card reader, and outputs 1920x1200 on an external monitor. you'll probably be able to have all those things w/ an ipad in the future, and it'll cost you another $600.
Nope, it'll be running Android, ChromeOS, or WebOS and it'll cost less than $500. You'll get all of that sans the keyboard and rotating platter HDD. See, that's now the standard too. Anybody who thought the cheapest iPad was going to be 1000 dollars was kidding themselves. I knew from the minute I heard that that it was wrong and any company betting their strategy on that number was going to be in for a hell of a surprise. I could be wrong but I highly doubt there is a place for desktop Windows or Linux or anything else with a legacy of desktop oriented programs in this environment.
Windows 7 works great on my 1005ha Eee (Aero all on, and used everyday),
Maybe compared to UNR on a mini laptop but, how about a Slate
computer with an arm cpu and dedicated touch screen OS along with
over 100,000 applications of more or less quality designed to work with it? Think about your Eee. That thing have a fan on it? The competition doesn't. Is it always cool to the touch? The competition's is. How much does it weigh?
The competition's is significantly less than 2 pounds. And that's
with 10 hours of battery life. How much battery life would your machine
have if it weighed 1.5 pounds? You have to put this stuff in perspective.
Windows 7 may run well on your Eee in your opinion but we're discussing
slates here. HP did the right thing in canceling this doomed project.
And who, exactly, do you think cares enough about you in some nefarious way for this practice to be useful?
Oh, I don't know. Off the top of my head, insurance companies, ex-spouses,
political opponents (if he ever runs for anything), human resources
people, district attorneys, on and on.
No matter how much of a nobody you are, there is always somebody
that cares. Interesting, your sig implies a more subtle understanding
than your post suggests.
Wow, the GP poster wasn't joking about the foaming at the mouth iphone
people. Bigieff5 said he didn't know any good reasons why people were rooting their phones so
I gave mine. Whether any other phone including the iphone can do the
things I listed is irrelevant, my phone couldn't. Now it can.
The G1 was the very first Android phone to come out. It sucked in a lot
of ways hardware wise, memory in particular. However, if you wanted
Android, it's what you got. If you don't think it's good enough, I'll
direct you to the paypal account you can donate to so that I can get
a Nexus or whatever.
As far as tethering is concerned, why should I sift through several apps
that may or may not do tethering how I want when iptables is built
right into Linux (Android) so I can set up the rules however I want.
three are also possible on iPhone (4, 6, 10)
All of that unrooted? Didn't think so. Thanks for supporting my point.
'I can wipe my phone, which I'll hopefully never have to do, but if I do so, I can save myself 5 minutes not having to re-sync my apps'. Incredible!:-S
5 minutes is time I could
be doing something more productive when my phone can just take care of
that for me.
Which leaves: 'I have a full debian install on my phone OMGWTF!1!'...Yay!... I guess...
Did you read the part where I mentioned I was running a business app
with it that required php-curl and python? I can't just run that
through ssh as it requires access to local data and the barcode scanner. The ASE can't be used
as you can't use the various languages in tandem. In your zeal to
denigrate, I just assume you overlooked all of that.
I'm still under warranty.
So am I. Takes about 10 minutes to roll the phone back to the carrier's
ROM.
A lot of the stuff they are doing, though, can be done with apps (including tethering for almost all devices and carriers), so I'm not sure what the point is, really. They do have kernel tweaks, but I'm not sure they're worth it.
My G1 is rooted. Here's what it gets me:
1) An additional amount of RAM as I can set it to not set aside as much for the GPU.
2) I can use a swap file or partition for even more "memory".
3) I'm not limited to the meager amount of internal flash to store my
applications. I just install them to the 16 GB sdcard.
4) USB, wi-fi, or bluetooth tethering. With the wi-fi tethering, I'm
my own little hotspot and any wireless device in range can just hop on.
5) CPU overclocking which really helps and doesn't drain my battery.
6) SSH server and client so I can wirelessly transfer files to and from the phone easily.
7) Full Debian Linux installation in a chroot environment so I have
full access to 99 percent of commandline linux apps. This is really great
because I have a custom business app that requires php-curl and python to be able to run seamlessly together something I haven't been able to accomplish with the android scripting environment.
8) Updates from the 2.0+ android series that T-Mobile can't or won't deliver.
9) Not having to reload all of my applications should I desire to wipe my phone as they are all still on the sdcard and the phone finds them when it reloads.
10) The ability to completely backup the entire firmware so that if something happens, I can roll everything back to my backup.
There's more. That's just off of the top of my head.
Why would you want to support two different products for two different platforms, especially when the tool you mention, TrueCrypt, is cross-platform and able to run on both?
LUKS is cross-platform. Under Windows, LUKS encrypted disks can be used with FreeOTFE.
why would you be using *nix in a hospital setting?
I would imagine the same reason you'd use it anywhere else. Off of the top of my head, lack of viruses, low cost, easy upgradability, relatively low hardware requirements, your choice of vendor support models, customizability, low maintenance, lower risk of hardware obsolescence. And that's just for starters.
There are a lot of custom programs out there for $INDUSTRY and I'd bet the great majority of them are built for Win32 environments, or maybe an oddball Mac environment here or there. (could be wrong, please correct me as needed)
That argument has been made and remade since Linux came on the scene. Every single computer doesn't have to be switched in one day. If a company wants to transition, it starts where it makes sense and if it works out, you keep going. We had the same problem at my business. We finally just said to hell with it and wrote our on software to fill in the gaps. And the amazing thing is that in doing so, we were able to add in the functionality that we had been begging our vendor to put in for years. Now, not only do we not have to continue to pay licensing fees (subscriptions), we are making more money with the added features we built in. So, free os, free software, hardware upgrades on our schedule, I'm stunned it worked out so well.
It's not easy breaking out of the OS monoculture, but it can be done. This is a good example of work being done towards that in a health setting.
If you're on Windows, Truecrypt is an excellent solution. On many Linux distros, encryption is offered out of the box using LUKS which is very transparent and, at least on my netbook, suffers no discernible slowdowns. And for some nice two factor authentication, it can easily be set up to require a usb dongle in addition to the password before it will boot.
They could have licensed Solaris or AIX or some other closed source unixish kernel
That's extremely speculative and has no basis on what actually happened nor is it relevant to what I was saying.
This is just my opinion but I find it extremely unlikely that Steve Jobs would have ever licensed someone else's kernel, Unix or not, to put into OSX. The more likely scenario is that they would have gone a few more rounds negotiating with Be inc., bought them out, and just based OSX on that as that's what they intended to do in the first place had Be inc. not been asking so much money for their company.
Now, BeOS incorporated some great technology and, who knows, OSX may have ended up even better than it is now had it been based on that. But BeOS was not even close to being related to Unix. And as basing OSX on BeOS was the most likely alternative, I'm quite sure that had that happened, it would be nothing like what it is today.
Everybody seems to jump up and down that it got open source somewhere down there but I would say it is fairly irrelevant to the success or failure of OS X. There's a reason that the desktop market has 5.33% OS X and 0.01% OpenBSD.
I'm not sure who you are replying to but it must not be me as I neither said nor implied anything arguing those points one way or the other. As a matter of fact, I don't even have an opinion as I find it quite irrelevant to anything that I care to think about. Oh, and, pro tip, OSX is more closely related to FreeBSD and NetBSD than OpenBSD.
Why don't you freetards just buy a mac and use real world professional software to do your work?...
You are like the Amish of the computer industry.
So, I should stop using free software and go to a system
that is based on, you guessed it, free software. You
do realize that OSX would be nothing like its current form
without the completely free and open source software that
it is layered on top of, right? For most intents and
purposes, the OSX that you seem so fond of is little more
than a set of libraries and a pretty face plastered on top
of mountains of open source software. Now who's the freetard?
This was 6 years ago, it was around the same time a major fast food chain was still running their stores off an NT 4.0 server and wasn't going to change any time soon.
Wouldn't be referring to Jack in the Box, would you?
Changing the font size or DPI settings in Windows wreaks havoc on many programs.
Interesting. I don't use Windows and don't really know much about it.
On my Gnome desktop, however, running at 1600x1200, I have the dpi set to 126
and everything just looks fantastic. The fonts are so smooth and easy
to read. Nothing looks irregular or out of shape. It's as if the monitor,
which is a 21" CRT is set to 1024x768 except not pixelated or blocky at all.
I switched my mom from Windows XP which she could barely see, as she's getting older, over to an
operating system running Gnome with a similarly set dpi and she just raves
about it constantly to all of her friends. Me not having to do the semi-annual nuke and reinstall virus-removal procedure took a load off of me too.
What you said. I have Opera Mini on my G1 and it has exactly the same deficiencies as this one appears to have on the iPhone. But, you know what? When I'm in GPRS, I can still use the internet. The default browser? Forget it.
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No, it got popular by all the zealotry advertising it. It never was "better" than Opera, for example, but it did provide something you can point to while annoying the neighbor.
Bull and bull. It got popular because it was genuinely better. Firefox's greatest asset is its extensions. That's why it is the superior choice. Opera is great but it doesn't have the customizability that FF has. You hear people all day long on here, "I'd just switch to chrome but it doesn't have $EXTENSION so I'm staying with firefox."
After all, if you tried that with Linux, the first response was invariably "does it have Excel?" or "can I play games?".
To which I say, where's your Office disk, I'll install it for you. Office works great in Linux on Crossover and it is seamless. Now, where are your game disks? Same story except that the vast majority of computer users aren't gamers so that is a red herring anyway.
You're seriously delusional if you think that Windows servers are inferior to Linux servers in any way. (Well, "any" way is an overstatement, but any practical way.)
A Linux server can run on significantly lower powered hardware than Windows Server can. For example, We have some application servers than run perfectly on ARM boards. It's experimental for now but it is working perfectly so far and will most likely be ramped up to production use in the near future. I'll let you do the math on the power and cost savings. Since architectural dependence is a property of the OS, I'd say Linux is actually superior in this regard. Am I also delusional if I find it quicker to administrate Linux with ssh than the alternatives on Windows? I have a remote desktop application for my phone but I'm quite sure it would take longer than it does for me to ssh into my machines.
IIS is as good, or better, than Apache at all benchmarks, and has more features.
First of all, Linux web server != Linux web server running Apache. They didn't stop making web servers that run on Linux when they made Apache in case you didn't get the memo. Second of all, your assertion that IIS on Windows is faster than Apache on Linux in all benchmarks is laughable.
I've never seen an RT25xx USB adapter work well under any OS. My brother has 2 of them one made by Linksys and the other something else. The one made by Linksys will immediately bluescreen Windows XP by the mere fact of plugging it in. You have to disable the service that automatically manages wi-fi adapters (whatever it's called, I use Linux) to get it so you can even install the drivers. On his Window 7 game machine, get this, he 4 boxes Everquest and when he uses the other RT25xx adapter, he can 3 box but if he starts up the fourth one, like clockwork, Window 7 bluescreens and of course when you read it, you see the thing about the RT25xx driver having caused the problem.
I tried his adapters on my Ubuntu netbook and the Linksys worked but the other one would see the network but couldn't connect to it. Boggles the mind.
Same here except for utorrent (I use transmission in Ubuntu). The only thing is, what if you want a certain cut of a particular song that isn't the album version. Also, it's a bit faster, for me, to just click on Frostwire and type in my search term vs finding the item on a torrent search engine, plucking the particular track out of the album, and downloading that way. Usually for a particular song, I guess I just find Frostwire to be a bit quicker on the draw.
Why fiddle with the dvd when you can watch it right now!
I've been running Debian Lenny in a chroot on my G1 almost since I first got the phone and it has been working perfectly the whole time. I have the terminal app set to automatically initialize it whenever I click on it. Takes less than a second to set the mount points including a bind mount for the sdcard so I can access my data and get me going. For all intents and purposes, it may as well be native. If I were so inclined, I could even start a vncserver inside of it and run the chroot as a service and use GUI apps in the vnc client that I have on the phone side-stepping the whole lack of X issue.
I use this practically everyday for a number of things like rtorrent, htop, vim, and others. Most specifically, I have some PHP and python scripts that have to run in tandem that won't work in the Android Scripting Environment and they work excellently in Debian. The only special requirements I see in making it happen is having a rooted phone with ext2.ko and the chroot binary. For anyone that could actually make real use of this, these should be trivial to accomplish. The only downside is I can't load the fuse module so encfs and sshfs don't work but I'll bet if I looked around long enough, I'd find something.
At least for me, Android with these few modifications is just as much a Linux distro as anything else is.
Root it and install busybox which has vi built in. I got actual vim on my G1 by rooting it and installing Debian in a chroot environment. Now whenever I touch the terminal icon, it automatically starts up in Debian. It only takes about a second to set the mount points and have me logged in and since I did a bind mount of my sdcard inside of the chroot, I have access to all of my data.
And with this idiotic rant, my foe list grows by one.
It's not the operating system's responsibility to allow the user to "get work done."
I'm sorry, what I meant by getting work done was the ability to essentially have everything there necessary to just sit down and as a last step, actually install your applications. I didn't mean to imply that the apps themselves were part of the OS. So, for example, a complete consumer OS has a graphical interface, sound, network, and a means to install software that is a little more advanced than hitting the 'net and "sinking or swimming". For a server, I mean networking, the ability to log into it in some way and, of course, a means to install your necessary applications.
As far as the rest, I'll just have to agree to disagree.
Presuming, of course, it's available from that repository..
True, however, in this case, it definitely is. Not only that but in my experience, it is very likely that whatever you are looking for will be in the repository. At last count there were something like 20,000 packages for Ubuntu and close to 30,000 for Debian. And if what you are looking for isn't in there, when you do find the program, you can make an installer for it and submit it for inclusion for the future so that when you upgrade, and you look for it, it'll be there. Also, if a program isn't in the repos, as a next step, as opposed to hunting around on downloads.com or whatever people use, you can just cruise over to this website which is run by Canonical the distributors of Ubuntu and offers a very large additional selection of apps that you can install that of course will auto-update along with the rest of your system. Now, of course, if all of this fails, you are back to square 1 but, I've had this fail very few times.
Is it perfect? No. But it is pretty good and one of the primary reasons I switched many moons ago.
And while you are conferring with your legal team, make sure they brief you on your rights of making copies of software that has been abandoned. Hint: in most jurisdictions this is still a breach of copyright, hence, legally, you can't. A good example of this, is the educational titles that were developed by MECC. TLC, who got the copyrights from Brøderbund, after MECC went under couldn't even locate the documents proving they owned the stuff so later on when they were lobbied to release the software as freeware, they couldn't. That stuff is now lost unless you don't care about the law. Had it been open source, there would never have been a problem. And what about OS/2? Good luck suing IBM over that.
Who know? I don't and likely you don't either. However, personally, I've never had an open source project that I've relied on cease development and leave me in a lurch as a result.
At least with open source, you have the option of continuing development either on your own or hiring people to do it for you. What do you do when a closed source project is abandoned by its developers?
i couldn't be bothered to read most of your fanboi ranting
Of course you didn't. It disagrees with your presuppositions and the little reality you've built around yourself. And we can't have that now can we?
You don't get it.
I'm sure that in your opinion, Win7 runs acceptably well on your little laptop.
people that don't own win 7 netbooks should stop making comments about how win 7 doesn't work on netbooks
People should stop saying I said things I didn't say. Nice attempt at a strawman though. My point, and you proved it here:
yeah it doesn't have a touchscreen and weighs over two pounds.
those are tolerable attributes for your mini laptop but are a non-starter for a slate. You have to realize that Apple is setting the standard with the iPad. It's selling like gangbusters and now people's expectation of what a slate should be is sub 2 pounds, always cool to the touch, no fan, and a dedicated touch screen with applications that are all designed to work with it (not just the OS) and more or less "I don't have to worry about it" battery life. That's is not happening on a netbook with the keyboard cut off and a touch screen plastered on. You can't get that kind of battery life, and fanless running on an Atom with Win7 unless you had it clocked at something like 400 MHz. How well would your Windows run at that speed?
The point is Windows 7 and Atom are based on architectures and code from another arena of computing. That is the reason MS has utterly failed at generating any kind of real adoption of Tablet based computing on the consumer level no matter how hard they've tried. Sure, you could put a UI on Windows and make it look like anything you want and they've done a good job of making the OS itself touch friendly but, to coin a phrase, "It's the apps, stupid." How do you use multi-touch pinch font zooming on an application that isn't designed for that? Do you set the pinch zoom to expand the window or the text inside of the window? Do you map it to a keyboard shortcut? Different apps have different shortcuts. How would you zoom streets and trips as that's the main gps mapping solution for Windows AFAICT; which btw, runs like ASS on an Atom, I've tried. And just like the iPhone set the touchscreen phone standard before it, the iPad is doing it again for the slate. As of April, people now expect a slate OS to work a certain way. For example, it should always run apps at full screen since that's how the iPad does it (for very good reason, it's coming). They'll expect differently from Windows so they will be confused. And that's even if you could put it on a slate like the iPad in the first place which is fantasy.
Let me say this: I don't have an iPad, but I've used one. My gf's uncle has one and I have messed around with it quite a bit so I know what's up. I have a phone that runs Android so I'm very familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of capacitive touch. Prior to that I had 1 WinMo2003 device and 2 WinMo5 devices so I know the pitfalls of using a stylus to run a touchscreen OS. I currently have an Acer Aspire One that came with XP but is now running Ubuntu and I've played around with netbooks running both XP and 7 at various times so I pretty much know what you're working with. Ubuntu/Windows+slate=fail. Apple gets this. HP obviously figured it out. Now it's time for the fanboys^H^H^H^H people like you to figure it out too.
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consider it has a 320GB hard drive, USB ports, a keyboard, SD card reader, and outputs 1920x1200 on an external monitor. you'll probably be able to have all those things w/ an ipad in the future, and it'll cost you another $600.
Nope, it'll be running Android, ChromeOS, or WebOS and it'll cost less than $500. You'll get all of that sans the keyboard and rotating platter HDD. See, that's now the standard too. Anybody who thought the cheapest iPad was going to be 1000 dollars was kidding themselves. I knew from the minute I heard that that it was wrong and any company betting their strategy on that number was going to be in for a hell of a surprise. I could be wrong but I highly doubt there is a place for desktop Windows or Linux or anything else with a legacy of desktop oriented programs in this environment.
Windows 7 works great on my 1005ha Eee (Aero all on, and used everyday),
Maybe compared to UNR on a mini laptop but, how about a Slate computer with an arm cpu and dedicated touch screen OS along with over 100,000 applications of more or less quality designed to work with it? Think about your Eee. That thing have a fan on it? The competition doesn't. Is it always cool to the touch? The competition's is. How much does it weigh? The competition's is significantly less than 2 pounds. And that's with 10 hours of battery life. How much battery life would your machine have if it weighed 1.5 pounds? You have to put this stuff in perspective. Windows 7 may run well on your Eee in your opinion but we're discussing slates here. HP did the right thing in canceling this doomed project.
And who, exactly, do you think cares enough about you in some nefarious way for this practice to be useful?
Oh, I don't know. Off the top of my head, insurance companies, ex-spouses, political opponents (if he ever runs for anything), human resources people, district attorneys, on and on.
No matter how much of a nobody you are, there is always somebody that cares. Interesting, your sig implies a more subtle understanding than your post suggests.
Wow, the GP poster wasn't joking about the foaming at the mouth iphone people. Bigieff5 said he didn't know any good reasons why people were rooting their phones so I gave mine. Whether any other phone including the iphone can do the things I listed is irrelevant, my phone couldn't. Now it can. The G1 was the very first Android phone to come out. It sucked in a lot of ways hardware wise, memory in particular. However, if you wanted Android, it's what you got. If you don't think it's good enough, I'll direct you to the paypal account you can donate to so that I can get a Nexus or whatever.
As far as tethering is concerned, why should I sift through several apps that may or may not do tethering how I want when iptables is built right into Linux (Android) so I can set up the rules however I want.
three are also possible on iPhone (4, 6, 10)
All of that unrooted? Didn't think so. Thanks for supporting my point.
'I can wipe my phone, which I'll hopefully never have to do, but if I do so, I can save myself 5 minutes not having to re-sync my apps'. Incredible! :-S
5 minutes is time I could be doing something more productive when my phone can just take care of that for me.
Which leaves: 'I have a full debian install on my phone OMGWTF!1!'...Yay!... I guess...
Did you read the part where I mentioned I was running a business app with it that required php-curl and python? I can't just run that through ssh as it requires access to local data and the barcode scanner. The ASE can't be used as you can't use the various languages in tandem. In your zeal to denigrate, I just assume you overlooked all of that.
I'm still under warranty.
So am I. Takes about 10 minutes to roll the phone back to the carrier's ROM.
Incredible! :-S
OMGWTF!1!'...Yay!... I guess...
my fag-phone...
Grow up.
A lot of the stuff they are doing, though, can be done with apps (including tethering for almost all devices and carriers), so I'm not sure what the point is, really. They do have kernel tweaks, but I'm not sure they're worth it.
My G1 is rooted. Here's what it gets me:
1) An additional amount of RAM as I can set it to not set aside as much for the GPU.
2) I can use a swap file or partition for even more "memory".
3) I'm not limited to the meager amount of internal flash to store my applications. I just install them to the 16 GB sdcard.
4) USB, wi-fi, or bluetooth tethering. With the wi-fi tethering, I'm my own little hotspot and any wireless device in range can just hop on.
5) CPU overclocking which really helps and doesn't drain my battery.
6) SSH server and client so I can wirelessly transfer files to and from the phone easily.
7) Full Debian Linux installation in a chroot environment so I have full access to 99 percent of commandline linux apps. This is really great because I have a custom business app that requires php-curl and python to be able to run seamlessly together something I haven't been able to accomplish with the android scripting environment.
8) Updates from the 2.0+ android series that T-Mobile can't or won't deliver.
9) Not having to reload all of my applications should I desire to wipe my phone as they are all still on the sdcard and the phone finds them when it reloads.
10) The ability to completely backup the entire firmware so that if something happens, I can roll everything back to my backup.
There's more. That's just off of the top of my head.
Why would you want to support two different products for two different platforms, especially when the tool you mention, TrueCrypt, is cross-platform and able to run on both?
LUKS is cross-platform. Under Windows, LUKS encrypted disks can be used with FreeOTFE.
why would you be using *nix in a hospital setting?
I would imagine the same reason you'd use it anywhere else. Off of the top of my head, lack of viruses, low cost, easy upgradability, relatively low hardware requirements, your choice of vendor support models, customizability, low maintenance, lower risk of hardware obsolescence. And that's just for starters.
There are a lot of custom programs out there for $INDUSTRY and I'd bet the great majority of them are built for Win32 environments, or maybe an oddball Mac environment here or there. (could be wrong, please correct me as needed)
That argument has been made and remade since Linux came on the scene. Every single computer doesn't have to be switched in one day. If a company wants to transition, it starts where it makes sense and if it works out, you keep going. We had the same problem at my business. We finally just said to hell with it and wrote our on software to fill in the gaps. And the amazing thing is that in doing so, we were able to add in the functionality that we had been begging our vendor to put in for years. Now, not only do we not have to continue to pay licensing fees (subscriptions), we are making more money with the added features we built in. So, free os, free software, hardware upgrades on our schedule, I'm stunned it worked out so well.
It's not easy breaking out of the OS monoculture, but it can be done. This is a good example of work being done towards that in a health setting.
If you're on Windows, Truecrypt is an excellent solution. On many Linux distros, encryption is offered out of the box using LUKS which is very transparent and, at least on my netbook, suffers no discernible slowdowns. And for some nice two factor authentication, it can easily be set up to require a usb dongle in addition to the password before it will boot.
They could have licensed Solaris or AIX or some other closed source unixish kernel
That's extremely speculative and has no basis on what actually happened nor is it relevant to what I was saying. This is just my opinion but I find it extremely unlikely that Steve Jobs would have ever licensed someone else's kernel, Unix or not, to put into OSX. The more likely scenario is that they would have gone a few more rounds negotiating with Be inc., bought them out, and just based OSX on that as that's what they intended to do in the first place had Be inc. not been asking so much money for their company.
Now, BeOS incorporated some great technology and, who knows, OSX may have ended up even better than it is now had it been based on that. But BeOS was not even close to being related to Unix. And as basing OSX on BeOS was the most likely alternative, I'm quite sure that had that happened, it would be nothing like what it is today.
Everybody seems to jump up and down that it got open source somewhere down there but I would say it is fairly irrelevant to the success or failure of OS X. There's a reason that the desktop market has 5.33% OS X and 0.01% OpenBSD.
I'm not sure who you are replying to but it must not be me as I neither said nor implied anything arguing those points one way or the other. As a matter of fact, I don't even have an opinion as I find it quite irrelevant to anything that I care to think about. Oh, and, pro tip, OSX is more closely related to FreeBSD and NetBSD than OpenBSD.
Why don't you freetards just buy a mac and use real world professional software to do your work?...
You are like the Amish of the computer industry.
So, I should stop using free software and go to a system that is based on, you guessed it, free software. You do realize that OSX would be nothing like its current form without the completely free and open source software that it is layered on top of, right? For most intents and purposes, the OSX that you seem so fond of is little more than a set of libraries and a pretty face plastered on top of mountains of open source software. Now who's the freetard?
This was 6 years ago, it was around the same time a major fast food chain was still running their stores off an NT 4.0 server and wasn't going to change any time soon.
Wouldn't be referring to Jack in the Box, would you?
Changing the font size or DPI settings in Windows wreaks havoc on many programs.
Interesting. I don't use Windows and don't really know much about it. On my Gnome desktop, however, running at 1600x1200, I have the dpi set to 126 and everything just looks fantastic. The fonts are so smooth and easy to read. Nothing looks irregular or out of shape. It's as if the monitor, which is a 21" CRT is set to 1024x768 except not pixelated or blocky at all. I switched my mom from Windows XP which she could barely see, as she's getting older, over to an operating system running Gnome with a similarly set dpi and she just raves about it constantly to all of her friends. Me not having to do the semi-annual nuke and reinstall virus-removal procedure took a load off of me too.
What you said. I have Opera Mini on my G1 and it has exactly the same deficiencies as this one appears to have on the iPhone. But, you know what? When I'm in GPRS, I can still use the internet. The default browser? Forget it.