You can, however, click 'About Citi/Fi' and you eventually end up at the same site at you see on Windows.
Yep. I got to the main site by going through the About Citi/Fi link. Apparently, going this route bypasses the CGI script which excludes Linux. So, I conclude that there's no good reason for them to do this. It looks like deliberate exclusion.
This story looks like it was planted by etoys. I just don't see how anyone knowledgeable about current events could get it that wrong. As usual, there's no email address on the CNN site. They want you to fill out this form on their website which probably gets copied to/dev/null
This isn't about geekiness. This is about common sense. He has none. When he gets older he will regret having marked up and hacked up his body as he has done. He's not the only one; he has just taken it further than most.
If some guy like this wants to become a side show freak, that's bad enough but it sickens me even more to see some otherwise lovely young girl with a bunch of ugly-ass tatoos.
It would be interesting to find out how happy they are with their decision to modify their bodies like this 20 years from now.
Even if I agreed with this in principle, there are some serious practical problems with compliance. I didn't save any of the receipts, etc. much more than a month after I received whatever it was I ordered. I didn't know they were going to do this until now. I don't even remember all the stuff I bought online this year. This whole thing has the look and feel of some half baked scheme hatched by liquored up lawmakers. It wasn't thought out. If they were going to require us to provide this sort of info for 1999, the time to put out the word was at the beginning of 1999, not at the end.
The record companies are the real pirates. They just don't want any competing piracy. For decades, they have gouged consumers and stiffed bands. Many a good band withered on the vine because they couldn't get backing while the record companies heavily promoted sucky acts.
I miss vinyl. In '88, LPs disappeared off the shelves real quick to make way for CDs. Here we go again.
First they ban all the porn sites and now they do this. They're basically saying you can't view pornography but we can mine data about you and sell it.
All over the world, government officials at all levels are eager to sell out their people. Drivers license bureaus want to sell info on people to the highest bidder. This is folly. No good will come of it. People will get hurt in ways no one can predict.
History is written by the victors. War crimes are defined and enforced by the victors too.
There's certainly nothing new about disinformation, deceptive transmissions and decoy messages. All sides did this sort of thing during WWII. The difference is the media.
And they're making it a *felony*
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What strikes me about this aside from the government sticking it's nose in it is the judge has said if this guy posts to the skiing group again, he has committed a FELONY. How does this rate a FELONY?
Oh well, they're being consistent in their inconsistancies. Felony status has been so indiscriminately applied to this offense and that, it's no wonder we've got more "criminals".
If you want to make laws respected, make 'em respectable. This kind of heavy handed stuff transcends the arbitrary into the realm of the whimsical.
And he was definitely plowing new ground. Traditionally, companies have gotten into anti-trust trouble when their monopolies become so vast they monopolize products and goods, prevent competition and innovation, and unfairly control and drive up the price consumers pay for those products. That was the rationale behind one of the first landmark anti-trust rulings, the one that broke up Standard Oil, and behind the decision that dispersed AT&T. Net commerce works in very different ways, yet anti-trust law hasn't evolved. Microsoft didn't become a monopoly by jacking up prices, but by using practically the opposite tactic - in effect giving products away to obtain staggering market share. Gate's big idea was to make sure his company's software and operating systems were distributed so freely and aggressively they were on every desktop.
Yes, and *THEN* jack up the prices and gouge hell of the consumer.
Once there, Microsoft could sell ancillary products forever, and play their primacy off against consumers as well as other companies. You can't buy Microsoft Word any longer, for example, without buying Microsoft Office. As Microsoft's operating systems controlled more than 90 per cent of the world's PCs, the company made billions by charging for related, bundled, updated or connected products. Judge Jackson is suggesting that this tactic - unique to the Net - may be monopolistic, thus illegal
You bet it's monopolistic but I don't think it's any thing new. Walmart has been going into small towns, opening a store, selling stuff at a loss to undercut competitors and drive them out of business, then closing the store because it isn't "profitable", forcing consumers to drive to a nearby town to shop and pay higher prices at the new Walmart "superstore". Walmart ain't the first to do this either.
One of the many questions journalism ought to be asking in the wake of the Microsoft shock is how it managed to award Bill Gates so much space, print and videotape - he was on the cover of almost every news and business magazine in America, usually multiple times - and completely misrepresent his essential character, goals and philosophy. More significantly, how did so many journalists miss the brutally, perhaps illegally competitive nature of his company?
The same way they missed the "brutally, perhaps illegally competitive nature" of General Electric. They still kiss Jack Welch's ass. They love him. He's one of the biggest SOB's in the business. Suits lionize that kind of bravado, until, of course, their icons lose. Oh, then they are a loser and the journalist is "wise" because he knew it all along. Journalists are a fickle lot.
It would be nice if they ported it to BSD/Linux, but why should they?
They have no incentive whatsoever to port this to an alternative operating system.
Anyone who has seen and used Office 2000 will understand that, even though it's proprietary, IE5 uses embedded COM objects in an incredibly powerful and interactive way.
This embeddedness figured prominently into Judge Jackson's ruling. As things stand, only Microsoft can get stuff like this to work. The people who tailor web pages to IE5 are shooting us all in the foot. I do not care whether IE5 works better. Once you have to have a specific browser to access web sites, not only is Linux at risk but the internet as well.
Message to all kids: Say the wrong thing, go to jail. The damn russians don't even do this kind of shit to people anymore. Our schools are being run by jack-booted facists. Still think this place is free?
They've pretty much cut everything else to the bone. What's left? Windows. The $'s are driving this. Something's gotta give. I hope M$ doesn't come out with Windows Lite or some other abortion.
It's our old pal, the noble savage rearing his head again. Oh how better things were back in the good old days. Right?
Well I was there and the good old days sucked. This is all academic; there's no going back anyway.
There are indeed lots of people who never knew how everyday stuff got done before computers. You can tell them from their parents by looking at who is still able to function when the network is hosed.
If anything, we've become overly dependent on poorly designed systems. If there's to be a "cyberclism", that will be the cause. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I use it. I was skeptical but no longer. Now I can find phone numbers, etc. and with the AvantGo application, I can take my Palm to the crapper and read news off Excite, Wired, NY Times, etc. whilst I take a dump.
I'm sure many Slashdot readers have satisfying careers now. But many engineers, scientists, programmers and mathematicians are underemployed or unemployed, particularly the older ones. Sooner or later, you and I will join their number. I'm not convinced they're all a bunch of slackers would couldn't keep up and were left behind. Their abilities are being squandered. These were people who didn't need any government program to get them involved in a technical field. They naturally gravitated to it. Congress will not be able to fix the public schools and yet there will still be plenty of technical types coming through as there always has been. There's no shortage today. In a shortage, employers wouldn't be so picky and wages would go way up. They just want to keep the pipeline full.
Others have mused about the possibility of the Hotmail lawyers coming after people who exercised this security feature. Well, CNN says they did this so I guess they are in the soup too.
Now a buddy of mine says, "Watch M$ turn this around and say they've fixed the problem by switching to NT!"
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You can, however, click 'About Citi/Fi' and you eventually end up at the same site at you see on Windows.
Yep. I got to the main site by going through the About Citi/Fi link. Apparently, going this route bypasses the CGI script which excludes Linux. So, I conclude that there's no good reason for them to do this. It looks like deliberate exclusion.
This story looks like it was planted by etoys. I just don't see how anyone knowledgeable about current events could get it that wrong. As usual, there's no email address on the CNN site. They want you to fill out this form on their website which probably gets copied to /dev/null
This isn't about geekiness. This is about common sense. He has none. When he gets older he will regret having marked up and hacked up his body as he has done. He's not the only one; he has just taken it further than most.
If some guy like this wants to become a side show freak, that's bad enough but it sickens me even more to see some otherwise lovely young girl with a bunch of ugly-ass tatoos.
It would be interesting to find out how happy they are with their decision to modify their bodies like this 20 years from now.
Even if I agreed with this in principle, there are some serious practical problems with compliance. I didn't save any of the receipts, etc. much more than a month after I received whatever it was I ordered. I didn't know they were going to do this until now. I don't even remember all the stuff I bought online this year. This whole thing has the look and feel of some half baked scheme hatched by liquored up lawmakers. It wasn't thought out. If they were going to require us to provide this sort of info for 1999, the time to put out the word was at the beginning of 1999, not at the end.
The record companies are the real pirates. They just don't want any competing piracy. For decades, they have gouged consumers and stiffed bands. Many a good band withered on the vine because they couldn't get backing while the record companies heavily promoted sucky acts.
I miss vinyl. In '88, LPs disappeared off the shelves real quick to make way for CDs. Here we go again.
First they ban all the porn sites and now they do this. They're basically saying you can't view pornography but we can mine data about you and sell it.
All over the world, government officials at all levels are eager to sell out their people. Drivers license bureaus want to sell info on people to the highest bidder. This is folly. No good will come of it. People will get hurt in ways no one can predict.
... and none shall trade (or surf) save those who bear the mark.
History is written by the victors. War crimes are defined and enforced by the victors too.
There's certainly nothing new about disinformation, deceptive transmissions and decoy messages. All sides did this sort of thing during WWII. The difference is the media.
What strikes me about this aside from the government sticking it's nose in it is the judge has said if this guy posts to the skiing group again, he has committed a FELONY. How does this rate a FELONY?
Oh well, they're being consistent in their inconsistancies. Felony status has been so indiscriminately applied to this offense and that, it's no wonder we've got more "criminals".
If you want to make laws respected, make 'em respectable. This kind of heavy handed stuff transcends the arbitrary into the realm of the whimsical.
Yes, and *THEN* jack up the prices and gouge hell of the consumer.
You bet it's monopolistic but I don't think it's any thing new. Walmart has been going into small towns, opening a store, selling stuff at a loss to undercut competitors and drive them out of business, then closing the store because it isn't "profitable", forcing consumers to drive to a nearby town to shop and pay higher prices at the new Walmart "superstore". Walmart ain't the first to do this either.
The same way they missed the "brutally, perhaps illegally competitive nature" of General Electric. They still kiss Jack Welch's ass. They love him. He's one of the biggest SOB's in the business. Suits lionize that kind of bravado, until, of course, their icons lose. Oh, then they are a loser and the journalist is "wise" because he knew it all along. Journalists are a fickle lot.
Message to all kids: Say the wrong thing, go to jail. The damn russians don't even do this kind of shit to people anymore. Our schools are being run by jack-booted facists. Still think this place is free?
I will only add that if you're going to run OS/2, run version 3 because version 4 is horrible.
Whatever extra money they make off this will be offset by increased vandalism costs. This will rate right up there with the Coke Classic fiasco.
They've pretty much cut everything else to the bone. What's left? Windows. The $'s are driving this. Something's gotta give. I hope M$ doesn't come out with Windows Lite or some other abortion.
The government would be as well off to farm out the contract to Psychic Friends Network. Yessir.
I wish someone would explain this to my boss.
My cat raises hell at 6:30 every morning until I feed him. Maybe he ought to know about this too.
It's our old pal, the noble savage rearing his head again. Oh how better things were back in the good old days. Right?
Well I was there and the good old days sucked. This is all academic; there's no going back anyway.
There are indeed lots of people who never knew how everyday stuff got done before computers. You can tell them from their parents by looking at who is still able to function when the network is hosed.
If anything, we've become overly dependent on poorly designed systems. If there's to be a "cyberclism", that will be the cause. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I use it. I was skeptical but no longer. Now I can find phone numbers, etc. and with the AvantGo application, I can take my Palm to the crapper and read news off Excite, Wired, NY Times, etc. whilst I take a dump.
The thing I find most objectionable is that people are finding out about the rules by breaking them.
If Alex ever makes my kid cry, I'll make Alex cry. :-)
I'm sure many Slashdot readers have satisfying careers now. But many engineers, scientists, programmers and mathematicians are underemployed or unemployed, particularly the older ones. Sooner or later, you and I will join their number. I'm not convinced they're all a bunch of slackers would couldn't keep up and were left behind. Their abilities are being squandered. These were people who didn't need any government program to get them involved in a technical field. They naturally gravitated to it. Congress will not be able to fix the public schools and yet there will still be plenty of technical types coming through as there always has been. There's no shortage today. In a shortage, employers wouldn't be so picky and wages would go way up. They just want to keep the pipeline full.
Yessir. This is about the only way to make everyone happy. If everyone must go to someone's idea of the ideal school, there will be much unhappiness.
Others have mused about the possibility of the Hotmail lawyers coming after people who exercised this security feature. Well, CNN says they did this so I guess they are in the soup too.
Now a buddy of mine says, "Watch M$ turn this around and say they've fixed the problem by switching to NT!"
Arrrrrgggghhh
Dog bitecha!