I run a 100Mbps lan at my house, and it's a star topology. I can atest that the most data I ever pushed was ~8Mpbs over a long period of time ( say a few hours ). My PCI tv tuner pushes said data over my 66Mhz PCI bus to the netgear 10/100 nic to another netgear nic of the same model at full duplex.
I'm not the guy that figures up numbers for what it *should be able to do - I test. For moving streaming video I never get more than said ~8Mbps -- would gigabit ethernet help someone like me? I mean my bus must be too slow to push all that data over a 100Mbs connection already. Also, would a ppro ( socket 8 ) with ~8 PCI slots make a good gigabit "hub" for a star topology or would it crush the machine's bus bandwidth?
If you're going to archive - archive like you expect your data to be made public view. Protection of this kind really helps if you plan ahead. Corperations, peers, and etc *will try to steal your data - take precautions.
If you hide a loopback fs inside a VCD or some other media, no one will find it. Even if they do have it encrypted, then if asked to decrypt you can deny knowning about it - saying that your cdr was just flaky, and that someone would be crazy to hide data like that. Hey, want to see my home movies on VCD? =)
Remember archiving without "hiding" is like running about at a fetish party nude and no expecting to get groped... man if I had a dime for everytime someone quoted me on that...
I have a tip, never assume anything in computing.;)
As for IE and outlook, try mozilla and balsa. However, pine + fetchmail is so slim and trim you may like it although it's curses based... the main thing is that you should try all the flavors out there and you'll soon find NT's one size fits all lacks the personallity of niche/pet linux software. Trust me, there is a window manger, editor, etc for every taste. =)
1.transmeta has a one year lead a.intel releasing chip in 2001+ b.transmeta is here now
2. transmeta chips use little power a. can run one for a week off a single charge b. may be able to make 'human motion' chargers, if motorola chooses to persue - and allow for wearables to not need a recharge at all c. most people when asked what they hate most about their laptop it's power consumtion
3. transmeta code morphing is a larger factor a. people can run 'appliances', not computers b. not everyone likes computers, ie mom factor c. appliances are an open market till this day
4. transmeta chips are cheap compared to intel/amd
------ conspirisy alert for following -------- 1. IBM was going to release wearables 1999 july 2. IBM retracted andset new date 2000 july 3. Transmeta chips use IBM copper technology 4. IBM has transmeta listed on PCI and various venedor m/b parts list 5. Transmeta IBM wearables by this summer?
--- pathetic begging for IBM wearable ------ Someone please get me on IBM test list this time! Bruce-san, I know you'll read this... I love you man, you're my hero - now gimmie gimmie... I'll give weekly reports, all typed up.;)
You can get $20, $35, $65,..., $1000 membership packages, and even better donate time or do pro bono work for the EFF. We need to support the people that protect us in the courts.
Talk to you faculty and friends and inform them about the DeCSS issues. Help spread the word about what this case is really about!
From XXXXXXXXXXXXX Sun Jan 30 20:13:31 2000 -0500 Status: X-Status: X-Keywords: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:13:15 -0500 (EST) From: Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II X-Sender: XXXXXXXXXXXXX Reply-To: Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix To: valentij@mpaa.org Subject: DVD and DeCSS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Dear Jack,
You've gone from helping LBJ to being a salesman? We all know that these lawsuits are for keeping the DVD hardware market closed from competition. Why do you inslut our intelligence with this non-sense?
I'm sure Houton is proud of it's 15 year old high school graduate, but frankly from v-chip to DeCSS it seems like you want to play king of the season. Lighten up Jack, let the kids have DeCSS. You'll get more friends than boycotts that way.
cheers, Terry
-------------------------------------------------- - | BotShop http://www.planetquake.com/botshop | | Personal http://www.westga.edu.com/~stu7440 | | | | Neo is running linux 2.2.14 |
Year versioning shows how slow your development cycle has become. Naming the kernel by year would be worthless, since we have development/stable branches - not to mention production is so fast we'd need versions like YEAR.QUARTER to keep up.
Most 6.0s are really 5.3s, but if you want to date version like a nightly build why not stamp the entire date?
DVD will be the next betamax player, because of the recording industry. Look at the new layered optical ROMs coming out now. The new ROMs hold much more than a DVD and I doubt anyone will make the mistake of another CSS.
If you can uncrypt it to watch it you can make copys from your S video out or even frame capture. I guess DVD is about as useful as a 5.25 floppy with all the ~100 titles anyway.
Death to DVD! Don't buy any DVDs or DVD players, and encourage others not to buy. You make a vote with every dollar.
If the recording industry is going to act like a baby over new formats, then they will get trampled on the way to the road of new technology. It happened with MP3s... It happened with VCDs... Now DVDs will die before taking off...
Goto http://www.planetquake.com/botshop then goto to ( Clients ) link.
I'm amazed at everyone acusing me of making a cheat proxy. I've written serverside and clientside bots, but I've never released CS code. I will be releasing CS code ASAP. Client side cheats aren't effective to any degree more than having a low ping or camping. I notice everyone posting otherwise is AC.
This proves you have little quake experence. All the major mods that released source code had the voting and/or "no bots please" code added.
I forget what was the first mod to do this, as it was years ago. Check the Inside3d website's archives.
" I really don't know how you can move in the air like that w/o grappling..."
Jump or run across slanted ground. Have you played quake much?
"Q3 you feel like you are moving w/a 30 ping..."
It's called client side prediction, and started with QW beta. It's nothing new at all, and we're discussing QW as much as Quake. This is an design issue in any event.
Your statement about LPB CS bots applies just as well to humans - some people are just that good. The only way to detect a cheat proxy for certian is to see a fire frame unsynced from the player movement - this is caused by forcing the server to "spin" the player and fire in 1 frame and then return the player back to normal postion the next.
If you still think CS bots are unbeatable I'll volunteer to play a server full of them and prove you very wrong. Email me - this thread is going off topic.
I've seen and played more games with CS bots than you have - I assure you. I was a member of BAG. I know most of the people that wrote bots like stoge, mikebot, and pandora.
Proxy cheats are easy to defeat - and detect. And with voting mods you can ban that user from your game. If you see a guy fire a rail|nail gun from the back of his head, then he's using a client side cheat proxy aka cyborg OR "he" is a very poorly written CS bot driven by AI.
Proxy bots almost never hit a damn thing - they can't lead targets very well or compensate for lag/movement patterns very well either.
If you make asymeterical movement arcs in 3space (not just strafting over level ground) they won't hit you unless you really suck. I'm not saying if you're not torney level you shouldn't enjoy the game either. That's why you have mods that can vote to ban users *per level.
Your statements aren't founded - and you didn't mention "roller ball" CS cheats (the cs player is in a different bsp than the server and can cheat a lot more). Also I personally have been acused of being a bot on LMCTF ( q2 ) by modem players joining a LPB server (95% of clients always had = 100 ping). Make sure you go to a modem only server if LPBs bother you.
I got it working, and I guess *I'll start the first fork if no one else will. I can't verify that the GL clients build correctly, as my Mesa development kit is screwed at the moment. I have the source reordered like a proper OS project and a new Makefile for QW - I'll post it on my site when it's ready.
FYI, another guy on OP #debian has it running - if you're running debian you'll have a time getting your development kit correct - you need both ggi mesa and mesa development kits. I'm working on a solution.
Not me personally, but they did threaten client side authors with legal action. Search blues news for 'proxy cheat'. It should bring the press release up. If it doesn't I can find it and post it here.
I am currently making a client cide interface that will work for all 4 versions of quake. I'm using my own network code on the client and server side of the games. How do you plan to use security by obsurity to block that?
You _can't_ - face it their a *legitamate uses for client side bots. I'm very interested in keeping them alive. Proxy cheat bots are only a small percentage of client side bots - also I've never seen a client side bot that really gave an advandage to the cheater.
John I was very disaapointed when my favorite programmer brought up legal action threats to stop client side bots. John we want to learn more about AI! Your games model real world phyics, so well and have so many variants... please don't do this!
- Mongoose ( from *old planetquake quakeC bot days )
Why not suspend the user by harness over a special treadmill. That would allow for free movement, correct feedback, and safety. You have to consider safety for jumping, falling, and other things like pace of movement and simulation of a movable/varying tread surface. I think you could produce such a UI for under $500.00US if mass produced.
"Let's all go play the GitS and Matrix games for the FreedomOfMotion 3000 VR UI.";)
I fear in the far future people will use cybernetic implants. Not just the injuried ( handicapped ) and the sick ( M.S. ), but healthly people. Have you ever seen "plesure wired" lab rats? The reenforcement of the unimaginable intense stimlus to the hypothalimus or what have you - overrides even the desire to eat/breathe.
To stimulate the mind artifically in such a manner could become the first recerational drug that's 100% effective at killing you. Also who will be left to do manual labour after such a popualtion imposion? Good thing I want be around to see it. I enjoy being depressed and talking to myself, it's because I enjoy being.;)
"...there's always the typewriter, but if the pacemaker isn't put in properly there isn't much to fall back on)."
Who do you think writes the code for pacemakers and things like ABS? CS majors killed 5+ people from radiation overdoses from bad programming on an X-ray machine recectly. They make the storage of the varible for rate static. That one line of code killed people and harmed servral others.
Are you saying that CS workers will become like the medical and legal profession? The "wash-out" rate in CS/CSE/CE is about as high, I would guess. Perhaps it will lead to Bell curving senior classes to only pass the best.
We need something like a bar exam or such to weed out the CS majors that don't really understand networking/architecture/OS/etc and how they interact.
I know a person with a CS degree that can't write a simple program in ANSI C. It is funny. =)
Let's ban all those Bible web sites. Have you read the filth that's in this "Bible"?
This is what censorship is all about. Let's attack this Bible before it's too late. It even encourages child abuse: "Spare the rod spoil the child". We have to put an end to this now!!
- For the assnine this is proof of why you can't censor *bad or *good things. Nothing is purely good or evil. If children did things like in the Old Testament people would pitch a fit. America take your head out of your ass. I'm all for BDSM and Wicca as much as Church Dating and Christian beliefs. I don't fear my *nieghbor, I come to an understanding...
Signed, Mongoose of #debian on OpenProjects Network
Re:Ah what do you mean a 586 is old?
on
Linux Q3Test 1.07
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· Score: 1
I didn't say do software emulation on a x86 cpu. I said "You can be on a fast machine and do software emulation. ".
That when I say fast machine, I'm impling SMP. Have a cpu or two just do rendering. =)
Renicing q3 helps a hell of a lot, so does giving it a larger core space. I also have a 120Mhz i80586 @ 120Mhz and 66Mhz bus and 48MB EDO RAM with a 4MB 3dfx card. I bet I can blow the doors off a win32 machine anywhere near those specs.
Glibc 2.1 shared objects with Glibc 2.0 executable
on
Linux Q3Test 1.07
·
· Score: 1
Actually it *could be a problem. I've seen some q2/q3 so's built in 2.1 that will seg fault running with a 2.0 execuable.
Please email me if you noticed this as well, I've alerted Zoid that he may have to build a glibc 2.0 and a 2.1 release. If this is true and you have mod authors building 2.1 sos for a 2.0 executable it would be bad. =)
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah I like it when you can talk with the dead people after not sleeping a week. That and tlaking to your feet, those cut ups...
:- well_screw(me)
Is this a good idea to tell people:
(define direct_relationship(sleep, brian_activity))
proc less_sleep
begin
inc brian_activity
end
oh god I need a little more sleep...
for(i=10;i100;i+=10)sleep(i);
when:: little_sleep(me)
segmentation fault... woof woof
I run a 100Mbps lan at my house, and it's a star topology. I can atest that the most data I ever pushed was ~8Mpbs over a long period of time ( say a few hours ). My PCI tv tuner pushes said data over my 66Mhz PCI bus to the netgear 10/100 nic to another netgear nic of the same model at full duplex.
I'm not the guy that figures up numbers for what it *should be able to do - I test. For moving streaming video I never get more than said ~8Mbps -- would gigabit ethernet help someone like me? I mean my bus must be too slow to push all that data over a 100Mbs connection already. Also, would a ppro ( socket 8 ) with ~8 PCI slots make a good gigabit "hub" for a star topology or would it crush the machine's bus bandwidth?
If you're going to archive - archive like you expect your data to be made public view. Protection of this kind really helps if you plan ahead. Corperations, peers, and etc *will try to steal your data - take precautions.
If you hide a loopback fs inside a VCD or some other media, no one will find it. Even if they do have it encrypted, then if asked to decrypt you can deny knowning about it - saying that your cdr was just flaky, and that someone would be crazy to hide data like that. Hey, want to see my home movies on VCD? =)
Remember archiving without "hiding" is like running about at a fetish party nude and no expecting to get groped... man if I had a dime for everytime someone quoted me on that...
I have a tip, never assume anything in computing. ;)
As for IE and outlook, try mozilla and balsa. However, pine + fetchmail is so slim and trim you may like it although it's curses based... the main thing is that you should try all the flavors out there and you'll soon find NT's one size fits all lacks the personallity of niche/pet linux software. Trust me, there is a window manger, editor, etc for every taste. =)
Good luck with linux!
Well let's look at the facts:
;)
1.transmeta has a one year lead
a.intel releasing chip in 2001+
b.transmeta is here now
2. transmeta chips use little power
a. can run one for a week off a single charge
b. may be able to make 'human motion' chargers,
if motorola chooses to persue - and allow for
wearables to not need a recharge at all
c. most people when asked what they hate most
about their laptop it's power consumtion
3. transmeta code morphing is a larger factor
a. people can run 'appliances', not computers
b. not everyone likes computers, ie mom factor
c. appliances are an open market till this day
4. transmeta chips are cheap compared to intel/amd
------ conspirisy alert for following --------
1. IBM was going to release wearables 1999 july
2. IBM retracted andset new date 2000 july
3. Transmeta chips use IBM copper technology
4. IBM has transmeta listed on PCI and various
venedor m/b parts list
5. Transmeta IBM wearables by this summer?
--- pathetic begging for IBM wearable ------
Someone please get me on IBM test list this time! Bruce-san, I know you'll read this... I love you man, you're my hero - now gimmie gimmie... I'll give weekly reports, all typed up.
Join the EEF, it's only $20 if you're a lowly student like I am. You can contribute more, if you have the scratch.
..., $1000 membership packages, and even better donate time or do pro bono work for the EFF. We need to support the people that protect us in the courts.
If you don't trust html these days:
https://www.eff.org/join/join_eff.html
If you like to click:
Join
You can get $20, $35, $65,
Talk to you faculty and friends and inform them about the DeCSS issues. Help spread the word about what this case is really about!
From XXXXXXXXXXXXX Sun Jan 30 20:13:31 2000 -0500
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Status:
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:13:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix II
X-Sender: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Reply-To: Terry 'Mongoose' Hendrix
To: valentij@mpaa.org
Subject: DVD and DeCSS
Message-ID:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Dear Jack,
You've gone from helping LBJ to being a salesman? We all know that these
lawsuits are for keeping the DVD hardware market closed from competition.
Why do you inslut our intelligence with this non-sense?
I'm sure Houton is proud of it's 15 year old high school graduate, but
frankly from v-chip to DeCSS it seems like you want to play king of the
season. Lighten up Jack, let the kids have DeCSS. You'll get more
friends than boycotts that way.
cheers,
Terry
-------------------------------------------------
| BotShop http://www.planetquake.com/botshop |
| Personal http://www.westga.edu.com/~stu7440 |
| |
| Neo is running linux 2.2.14 |
Mr. Jack Valenti
c/o The Motion Picture Association of America
1600 Eye Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
Source:
http://www.cme.org/letter.html
Read this site for MPAA news:
http://www.mpaa.org/anti-piracy/index.htm
Year versioning shows how slow your development cycle has become. Naming the kernel by year would be worthless, since we have development/stable branches - not to mention production is so fast we'd need versions like YEAR.QUARTER to keep up.
Most 6.0s are really 5.3s, but if you want to date version like a nightly build why not stamp the entire date?
Windows 19950525
DVD will be the next betamax player, because of the recording industry. Look at the new layered optical ROMs coming out now. The new ROMs hold much more than a DVD and I doubt anyone will make the mistake of another CSS.
If you can uncrypt it to watch it you can make copys from your S video out or even frame capture. I guess DVD is about as useful as a 5.25 floppy with all the ~100 titles anyway.
Death to DVD! Don't buy any DVDs or DVD players, and encourage others not to buy. You make a vote with every dollar.
If the recording industry is going to act like a baby over new formats, then they will get trampled on the way to the road of new technology. It happened with MP3s... It happened with VCDs... Now DVDs will die before taking off...
- Citizen #67facb2
Go over to BotShop to keep up with the progress.
I'm looking to support every version of quake with my own net code for the AI.
Goto http://www.planetquake.com/botshop then goto to ( Clients ) link.
I'm amazed at everyone acusing me of making a cheat proxy. I've written serverside and clientside bots, but I've never released CS code. I will be releasing CS code ASAP. Client side cheats aren't effective to any degree more than having a low ping or camping. I notice everyone posting otherwise is AC.
"there are NO mods for "voting out" a player"
This proves you have little quake experence. All the major mods that released source code had the voting and/or "no bots please" code added.
I forget what was the first mod to do this, as it was years ago. Check the Inside3d website's archives.
" I really don't know how you can move in the air like that w/o grappling..."
Jump or run across slanted ground. Have you played quake much?
"Q3 you feel like you are moving w/a 30 ping..."
It's called client side prediction, and started with QW beta. It's nothing new at all, and we're discussing QW as much as Quake. This is an design issue in any event.
Your statement about LPB CS bots applies just as well to humans - some people are just that good. The only way to detect a cheat proxy for certian is to see a fire frame unsynced from the player movement - this is caused by forcing the server to "spin" the player and fire in 1 frame and then return the player back to normal postion the next.
If you still think CS bots are unbeatable I'll volunteer to play a server full of them and prove you very wrong. Email me - this thread is going off topic.
I've seen and played more games with CS bots than you have - I assure you. I was a member of BAG. I know most of the people that wrote bots like stoge, mikebot, and pandora.
Proxy cheats are easy to defeat - and detect. And with voting mods you can ban that user from your game. If you see a guy fire a rail|nail gun from the back of his head, then he's using a client side cheat proxy aka cyborg OR "he" is a very poorly written CS bot driven by AI.
Proxy bots almost never hit a damn thing - they can't lead targets very well or compensate for lag/movement patterns very well either.
If you make asymeterical movement arcs in 3space (not just strafting over level ground) they won't hit you unless you really suck. I'm not saying if you're not torney level you shouldn't enjoy the game either. That's why you have mods that can vote to ban users *per level.
Your statements aren't founded - and you didn't mention "roller ball" CS cheats (the cs player is in a different bsp than the server and can cheat a lot more). Also I personally have been acused of being a bot on LMCTF ( q2 ) by modem players joining a LPB server (95% of clients always had = 100 ping). Make sure you go to a modem only server if LPBs bother you.
http://www.sourceforge.net/project/?form_grp=882
Yeah - read this: http://www.planetquake.com/botshop
I got it working, and I guess *I'll start the first fork if no one else will. I can't verify that the GL clients build correctly, as my Mesa development kit is screwed at the moment. I have the source reordered like a proper OS project and a new Makefile for QW - I'll post it on my site when it's ready.
FYI, another guy on OP #debian has it running - if you're running debian you'll have a time getting your development kit correct - you need both ggi mesa and mesa development kits. I'm working on a solution.
Not me personally, but they did threaten client side authors with legal action. Search blues news for 'proxy cheat'. It should bring the press release up. If it doesn't I can find it and post it here.
I am currently making a client cide interface that will work for all 4 versions of quake. I'm using my own network code on the client and server side of the games. How do you plan to use security by obsurity to block that?
You _can't_ - face it their a *legitamate uses for client side bots. I'm very interested in keeping them alive. Proxy cheat bots are only a small percentage of client side bots - also I've never seen a client side bot that really gave an advandage to the cheater.
John I was very disaapointed when my favorite programmer brought up legal action threats to stop client side bots. John we want to learn more about AI! Your games model real world phyics, so well and have so many variants... please don't do this!
- Mongoose ( from *old planetquake quakeC bot days )
Why not suspend the user by harness over a special treadmill. That would allow for free movement, correct feedback, and safety. You have to consider safety for jumping, falling, and other things like pace of movement and simulation of a movable/varying tread surface. I think you could produce such a UI for under $500.00US if mass produced.
;)
"Let's all go play the GitS and Matrix games for the FreedomOfMotion 3000 VR UI."
cheers,
Terry
I fear in the far future people will use cybernetic implants. Not just the injuried ( handicapped ) and the sick ( M.S. ), but healthly people. Have you ever seen "plesure wired" lab rats? The reenforcement of the unimaginable intense stimlus to the hypothalimus or what have you - overrides even the desire to eat/breathe.
;)
To stimulate the mind artifically in such a manner could become the first recerational drug that's 100% effective at killing you. Also who will be left to do manual labour after such a popualtion imposion? Good thing I want be around to see it. I enjoy being depressed and talking to myself, it's because I enjoy being.
To quote ACs: "ph43r, d00d"
"...there's always the typewriter, but if the pacemaker isn't put in properly there isn't much to fall back on)."
Who do you think writes the code for pacemakers and things like ABS? CS majors killed 5+ people from radiation overdoses from bad programming on an X-ray machine recectly. They make the storage of the varible for rate static. That one line of code killed people and harmed servral others.
Are you saying that CS workers will become like the medical and legal profession? The "wash-out" rate in CS/CSE/CE is about as high, I would guess. Perhaps it will lead to Bell curving senior classes to only pass the best.
We need something like a bar exam or such to weed out the CS majors that don't really understand networking/architecture/OS/etc and how they interact.
I know a person with a CS degree that can't write a simple program in ANSI C. It is funny. =)
Let's ban all those Bible web sites. Have you read the filth that's in this "Bible"?
This is what censorship is all about. Let's attack this Bible before it's too late. It even encourages child abuse: "Spare the rod spoil the child". We have to put an end to this now!!
- For the assnine this is proof of why you can't censor *bad or *good things. Nothing is purely good or evil. If children did things like in the Old Testament people would pitch a fit. America take your head out of your ass. I'm all for BDSM and Wicca as much as Church Dating and Christian beliefs. I don't fear my *nieghbor, I come to an understanding...
Signed,
Mongoose of #debian on OpenProjects Network
I didn't say do software emulation on a x86 cpu. I said "You can be on a fast machine and do software emulation. ".
That when I say fast machine, I'm impling SMP. Have a cpu or two just do rendering. =)
Renicing q3 helps a hell of a lot, so does giving it a larger core space. I also have a 120Mhz i80586 @ 120Mhz and 66Mhz bus and 48MB EDO RAM with a 4MB 3dfx card. I bet I can blow the doors off a win32 machine anywhere near those specs.
Actually it *could be a problem. I've seen some q2/q3 so's built in 2.1 that will seg fault running with a 2.0 execuable.
Please email me if you noticed this as well, I've alerted Zoid that he may have to build a glibc 2.0 and a 2.1 release. If this is true and you have mod authors building 2.1 sos for a 2.0 executable it would be bad. =)