When I was much younger I did cheat at games, but I learned that is wasn't any fun to just zip through a game... the fun part of a game is overcoming the challenges it presents.
I don't dare tell other people on the internet how to behave but I do kind of fell sorry for someone who has never had the satisfaction of beating a game without any help or playing through an MMO without using the services of a farmer.
You know what... I don't care if you cheat or not.
Cheating to get "ahead" in a game (multiplayer that is, I could give a crap what you do by yourself) is foolish and wasteful in my opinion. Everyone I have ever met that bought in game items quit soon after because they grew tired of the game quickly after they had all the stuff they wanted. In my experience all cheating does is cheapen whatever you are trying to do and discourage those who try to play the game legitimately, so while it may not effect me directly I still don't condone it as it detracts from everyone's fun to have to put up with the kind of dissatisfaction cheating creates for everyone.
In fact I believe that having to buy anything outside of the initial purchase (and subscription where appropriate) to "enjoy a game" is a big waste. Take the Xbox Live market place for example, I have no problem with the idea of digitally distributed games and additional content (like more game to play) but I object to the idea of paying a dollar for extra lives or in game money especially in a single player game.
I'm sorry I nether make $300 an hour or have 40+ hours to play games in a week but I would like to play a game where everyone is subject to the same rules (no buying gold for one) I don't care if you like the easy road, if all you want is a message that says "you win" I'd be happy to email you one and save you a ton of time.
Thank you for making my point though, you clearly don't want to play a game if you believe that it has unfun parts. buy the way the "fun part" that amounts to hours and hours of repetition of raid content (as opposed to repetition of grind content) and often to short or lopsided PvP is not nearly as fun as the newbie with a disposable income would like to believe. Games should be about the journey more than the destination (I admit that this is often not the case and it's a shame).
Again if you can't be bothered to go through the game (even at your own pace) what is the point? for a years subscription fees and $50-$100 in farmer gold I could get a really nice plaque that says "I beat WoW" to hang on the wall and it means just as much as getting power leveled past 90% of the game and buying gold.
It's still cheating even if you don't harm anyone but yourself by doing it, is paying the kid across the street to finish a sodoku puzzle for you so you can impress your friends any different?
Because gil has no intrinsic value outside of a private environment, also that environment establishes many legitimate ways to earn gil and most of all it is against the rules of the game to buy currency outside of the game.
Yeah... and buying things that don't exist from over seas is super great for the economy by the way.
These people need to grow up, ether support your precious community so it can remain the way it is or move on and let someone who can take your place. I'm sorry but if it "pisses you off" that it requires money to run a huge public website project (that some treat as there personal playground I might add) then maybe you can make up for the money.
Besides ads on Wikipedia, given the usual high search results on Google, would be worth quite a bit of money so I doubt they would even need to put up that many.
We have to totally rethink everything and come up with new processes to prevent change!
I don't believe or trust ether side of this debate anymore, but at the same time conserving energy and emitting less waste makes sense to me so I guess I am for new technologies.
Remember we do have a relatively safe, clean, carbon neutral and power source that the rest of the world seems to be clamoring for but we are to scared to use because of a few movies and an episode of McGiver.
I for one, welcome our MS-bashing Apple-adoring overlords.
Heh always wanted to do that... but seriously it's still news even if they already fixed it. Now if only it wasn't a hole in space you launch money into... Not that I don't value space exploration and research but exploration and research are the key words in my mind.
This is exactly what I have been trying to tell people.
Trans-fats are not good for the consumer in any way, they are good for the fast food corporations and as we all know they won't stop selling a product that kills there patrons slowly unless the state forces them to do so.
Stop listening to the fast food propaganda and for that matter take a step back to really see what you are defending.
It's good that someone else does... I am tired of being looked down on by console fanboys who can't be bothered to come play with the big kids. I fear that in the fullness of time gameing PCs will become more like consoles and not the other way around... I better get my gameing in now.
I beleve some games are art and some are commodities.
I beleve there is room for both in the world... someone may enjoy the differing experences of games like Katamari, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy to name a few. Others may want to consume games that are consistant and predictable, much like a MMO style game or sports games.
I personaly like a good story (well told... shoddy gameplay must not interfere with an otherwise great story) above all else. I don't much care for more simulation style gameing... but then again I am a novel reader and I like TV shows with continuing plots (DS9, B5, BSG, SG1, Lost to name a few). That is not to say I don't play an MMO (CoH) but that fills a diffrent gameing "need" for me.
All they do is produce what sells, and what sells is not always "the best game" but the game that young adults and parents of young children will buy because they recognize the brand perceive a history of quality or at least consistency, that is not to say they didn't leave you or I behind for a different group of consumers. The fact is that any successful business finds and adapts to a group of consumers that are willing to pay for the products they produce. If no one liked EA games then on one would buy them, and the "problem" would solve itself, but people do buy them so they make more of the same types of products.
We need to support game developers who make the games we like to play (by support I mean buy products from), not sit here and idly complain about EA.
...then ignoring exclusive titles clearly 360 or Wii is a better value.
That is the kicker isn't it... there are some mighty tasty looking exclusives on the PS3 and not so much for the 360 and Wii, at least for me. I think no matter what I am not going to buy a console that does not have at least 3 games I want to play. right now the PS3 is winning but that may change.
A: I did not care for most of the "exclusive" games on the system... if you thought they where great... bonus for you (DOA Extreme Beach Vollyball and Outlaw golf are not my thing), I have access to a PS2 and a Gamecube so the ports are of no intrest to me. If you mean Halo and Halo 2 when you say iconic console exclusive I'll stick with PC shooters thanks, I never feel for the marketing.
B: It was not the "most advanced system on the market" by any means... it was a computer, an obsolete one at that, yes it was "younger" than a PS2. Again, I want games that are fun from a console not "teh bestest h4rdw4r3 evar!" I could care less what is under the hood of a console, that's waht my PC is for.
Or does the lower end PS3 look like it is on par with the value of the Xbox360?
With the exeption of Live(a pay service that Sony intends to compete with in the future) and a few "exclusive" game deals (on the Xbox exclusive tended to be more of a "head start") I don't think that buy buying a $500 PS3 you are giving anything up that the $400 360 has plus you get the blue ray drive... this has got to be cheaper than a 360 + HD-DVD thingy...
Anyway... just a thought... I'll wait till there are a few games out that I want to buy before I make a purchase. Dead Rising looks tempting... but I feel majorly cheeted by MS on the Xbox so I need more than that.
The trick with small block diesel engines is that they get a much better MPG rating on average so even if diesel fuel is more exspensive than gas per gallon you still come out ahead, plus most new diesel cars (VW Auto Group TDIs anyway) are being built to run on bio-diesel without any conversion.
Johny is a name, and perhaps someone named Johny can't code. I hate it when people get bent out of shape over how someone spells a name (especaly there own name).
By the way:
John Jon Jonathan Johnathan Jack Johnny Johny
Go troll the Games section with irratonal Wii love.
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Finally someone who sees what I am talking about.
When I was much younger I did cheat at games, but I learned that is wasn't any fun to just zip through a game... the fun part of a game is overcoming the challenges it presents.
I don't dare tell other people on the internet how to behave but I do kind of fell sorry for someone who has never had the satisfaction of beating a game without any help or playing through an MMO without using the services of a farmer.
You know what... I don't care if you cheat or not.
Cheating to get "ahead" in a game (multiplayer that is, I could give a crap what you do by yourself) is foolish and wasteful in my opinion. Everyone I have ever met that bought in game items quit soon after because they grew tired of the game quickly after they had all the stuff they wanted. In my experience all cheating does is cheapen whatever you are trying to do and discourage those who try to play the game legitimately, so while it may not effect me directly I still don't condone it as it detracts from everyone's fun to have to put up with the kind of dissatisfaction cheating creates for everyone.
In fact I believe that having to buy anything outside of the initial purchase (and subscription where appropriate) to "enjoy a game" is a big waste. Take the Xbox Live market place for example, I have no problem with the idea of digitally distributed games and additional content (like more game to play) but I object to the idea of paying a dollar for extra lives or in game money especially in a single player game.
I'm sorry I nether make $300 an hour or have 40+ hours to play games in a week but I would like to play a game where everyone is subject to the same rules (no buying gold for one) I don't care if you like the easy road, if all you want is a message that says "you win" I'd be happy to email you one and save you a ton of time.
So you've bought gold then?
Thank you for making my point though, you clearly don't want to play a game if you believe that it has unfun parts. buy the way the "fun part" that amounts to hours and hours of repetition of raid content (as opposed to repetition of grind content) and often to short or lopsided PvP is not nearly as fun as the newbie with a disposable income would like to believe. Games should be about the journey more than the destination (I admit that this is often not the case and it's a shame).
Again if you can't be bothered to go through the game (even at your own pace) what is the point? for a years subscription fees and $50-$100 in farmer gold I could get a really nice plaque that says "I beat WoW" to hang on the wall and it means just as much as getting power leveled past 90% of the game and buying gold.
It's still cheating even if you don't harm anyone but yourself by doing it, is paying the kid across the street to finish a sodoku puzzle for you so you can impress your friends any different?
Because gil has no intrinsic value outside of a private environment, also that environment establishes many legitimate ways to earn gil and most of all it is against the rules of the game to buy currency outside of the game.
Yeah... and buying things that don't exist from over seas is super great for the economy by the way.
Isn't the point of any game to advance by playing it?
We all clamor that games aren't fun anymore and yet we don't even want to try to play anymore.
When you feel you have to cheat (and buying money is cheating) to play competitively, where is the fun?
OK so?
These people need to grow up, ether support your precious community so it can remain the way it is or move on and let someone who can take your place. I'm sorry but if it "pisses you off" that it requires money to run a huge public website project (that some treat as there personal playground I might add) then maybe you can make up for the money.
Besides ads on Wikipedia, given the usual high search results on Google, would be worth quite a bit of money so I doubt they would even need to put up that many.
But but but change is scary!
We have to totally rethink everything and come up with new processes to prevent change!
I don't believe or trust ether side of this debate anymore, but at the same time conserving energy and emitting less waste makes sense to me so I guess I am for new technologies.
Remember we do have a relatively safe, clean, carbon neutral and power source that the rest of the world seems to be clamoring for but we are to scared to use because of a few movies and an episode of McGiver.
I for one, welcome our MS-bashing Apple-adoring overlords.
Heh always wanted to do that... but seriously it's still news even if they already fixed it. Now if only it wasn't a hole in space you launch money into... Not that I don't value space exploration and research but exploration and research are the key words in my mind.
This is exactly what I have been trying to tell people.
Trans-fats are not good for the consumer in any way, they are good for the fast food corporations and as we all know they won't stop selling a product that kills there patrons slowly unless the state forces them to do so.
Stop listening to the fast food propaganda and for that matter take a step back to really see what you are defending.
It's good that someone else does... I am tired of being looked down on by console fanboys who can't be bothered to come play with the big kids. I fear that in the fullness of time gameing PCs will become more like consoles and not the other way around... I better get my gameing in now.
I beleve some games are art and some are commodities.
I beleve there is room for both in the world... someone may enjoy the differing experences of games like Katamari, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy to name a few. Others may want to consume games that are consistant and predictable, much like a MMO style game or sports games.
I personaly like a good story (well told... shoddy gameplay must not interfere with an otherwise great story) above all else. I don't much care for more simulation style gameing... but then again I am a novel reader and I like TV shows with continuing plots (DS9, B5, BSG, SG1, Lost to name a few). That is not to say I don't play an MMO (CoH) but that fills a diffrent gameing "need" for me.
Hurts the industry?
How do you figure?
All they do is produce what sells, and what sells is not always "the best game" but the game that young adults and parents of young children will buy because they recognize the brand perceive a history of quality or at least consistency, that is not to say they didn't leave you or I behind for a different group of consumers. The fact is that any successful business finds and adapts to a group of consumers that are willing to pay for the products they produce. If no one liked EA games then on one would buy them, and the "problem" would solve itself, but people do buy them so they make more of the same types of products.
We need to support game developers who make the games we like to play (by support I mean buy products from), not sit here and idly complain about EA.
No one ever said it was smart, this is just how they choose to do it.
Everyone knows Europeans are too smart to waste money on video games like the U.S. and Japan anyway.
Well that's simple, they don't have enough built to send them to Europe.
That is the kicker isn't it... there are some mighty tasty looking exclusives on the PS3 and not so much for the 360 and Wii, at least for me.
I think no matter what I am not going to buy a console that does not have at least 3 games I want to play.
right now the PS3 is winning but that may change.
A: I did not care for most of the "exclusive" games on the system... if you thought they where great... bonus for you (DOA Extreme Beach Vollyball and Outlaw golf are not my thing), I have access to a PS2 and a Gamecube so the ports are of no intrest to me. If you mean Halo and Halo 2 when you say iconic console exclusive I'll stick with PC shooters thanks, I never feel for the marketing.
B: It was not the "most advanced system on the market" by any means... it was a computer, an obsolete one at that, yes it was "younger" than a PS2. Again, I want games that are fun from a console not "teh bestest h4rdw4r3 evar!" I could care less what is under the hood of a console, that's waht my PC is for.
to put it plainly was given an Xbox about a year after it was introduced and I played all of three games on it.
I feel bad for the people who gave it to me as a gift... and will not likely be buying or showing a desire for a Xbox 360.
Or does the lower end PS3 look like it is on par with the value of the Xbox360?
With the exeption of Live(a pay service that Sony intends to compete with in the future) and a few "exclusive" game deals (on the Xbox exclusive tended to be more of a "head start") I don't think that buy buying a $500 PS3 you are giving anything up that the $400 360 has plus you get the blue ray drive... this has got to be cheaper than a 360 + HD-DVD thingy...
Anyway... just a thought... I'll wait till there are a few games out that I want to buy before I make a purchase. Dead Rising looks tempting... but I feel majorly cheeted by MS on the Xbox so I need more than that.
I beleve you can adjust the point that the truncation takes place at in your user profile.
I have three letters for you: C D I
The trick with small block diesel engines is that they get a much better MPG rating on average so even if diesel fuel is more exspensive than gas per gallon you still come out ahead, plus most new diesel cars (VW Auto Group TDIs anyway) are being built to run on bio-diesel without any conversion.
Yeah that's cool. :)
http://www.google.com/search?q=Johny&start=0&ie=ut f-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-U S:official
Johny is a name, and perhaps someone named Johny can't code. I hate it when people get bent out of shape over how someone spells a name (especaly there own name).
By the way:
John
Jon
Jonathan
Johnathan
Jack
Johnny
Johny
Go troll the Games section with irratonal Wii love.
I am sure that the slashbots will turn this into a negative somehow..
This is not a suprise, Sony did this with the PS2 and guess what... it worked for them.