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China Claims Successful Fusion Power Test
SeaDour writes, "China claims to have carried out a successful test of its experimental thermonuclear fusion reactor. But what exactly made this test 'successful' is not clear. From the article: 'Xinhua cited the scientists as saying that deuterium and tritium atoms had been fused together at a temperature of 100 million degrees Celsius for nearly three seconds. The report did not specify whether the device... had succeeded at producing more energy than it consumed, the main obstacle to making fusion commercially viable.'" China is a participant in the 10-nation ITER project to build a fusion reactor in the south of France by 2015. The article quotes the research head of ITER as saying, "It was important for China to show that it is part of the club. Here are English language versions of the Chinese news release: announcement, background.
"We're pleased to announce we are still here to report the results."
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100 million degrees Celsius for nearly three seconds.
I think someone needs a CoolerMaster for that one!
bad news, the coolermaster consumed all the net energy
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It would be nice to know what kind of containment they used for this? I'm sure they didnt want thier nuclear pile melting through the floor or anything .....
Will be tied to their ability to get away from fossil fuels and develop alternative sources. They, not the United States will be the leader in developing the "big thing" that moves us beyond our oil based economy.
It was successful in that it fused deuterium and tritium. Of course, the break even point doesn't matter. To be economical, the reactor realistically has to hit ignition, which only the ITER could hope to do.
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Achieving a net energy gain is not the main obstacle to making fusion commercially viable. That has been done quite successfully. There is no problem passing break-even. It is ignition we are trying to achieve now. That is, a fusion reaction which produces enough heat to cause more fusion, provided enough fuel. If you're going to write an article about fusion, at least know something about the state of the field. Journalists should all be required to read the relevant wikipedia articles before publishing something about science.
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...on fusion/cold fusion when Dr. Emma Russel already knows the answer? All someone has to do is seduce her and steal the cards out of her brazier! A much simpler plan. Plus, you get some booty from a hottie while you're at it!
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Pretty soon even high school students will be making fusion reactors. Oh wait, they already are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnsworth-Hirsch_fus or
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Xinhua have an atrocious track record for truth verses spin, worse than tony blairs pr department. I'm not going to get excited about this one.
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Scientists at the Chinese Academy of Sciences announced they had successfully tried a domestically developed fusion device in the eastern Chinese city of Hefei, Xinhua news agency said.
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The scientists called the device "the first of its kind in operation in the world", but the report did not specify what tests it had passed.
Xinhua cited the scientists as saying that deuterium and tritium atoms had been fused together at a temperature of 100 million degrees Celsius for nearly three seconds. - what they are not telling us is that their sofistimacated gizmotron is based on a Yin Yang Dragon technology, which employs 500,000,000 manual workers, each one only having to heat up one atom by 1/5th of a degree by applying the power of the Chi.
Since the labor for all the labor only cost about $5 total, the reactor was able to produce an energy surplus, a feat previously considered to be improbable.
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> producing more energy than it consumed, the main obstacle to
> making fusion commercially viable.
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The Chinese hate our freedom. If we launch a full-scale invasion now, we can bring democracy to China before the 2008 Olympics in Beijing!
the chinese will wtfpwn just about anyone...
2 million man STANDING army?
Good for them.
I hope the test was practical in nature, and will lead to useful contributions from China towards the achievement of practical fusion power.
This is good news. I look forward to following China's future progress and contributions.
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Reminds me of the way /.'s truncated posts with the "Read the rest of this comment" links always seem to truncate exactly 2 lines. Does it do this to everyone, or just me?
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How bizarre, how bizarre.
What is the thought process here? "China tests fusion reactor. What can I say that's topical, and witty, interesting, funny, or insightful? Of course! BASH AMERICA!"
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Though ITER is being built soon, it's being designed as its going up. I'm involved with creating an H- ion beam to inject the plasma (called neutral beam injection). The idea is to fire a high energy beam of neutral hydrogen into the plasma to heat it up (neutral so the atoms can travel through the containment magnets without deflection).
So even if the Chinese managed to build a reactor that beats previous records, it's a long while before fusion powers your home. Nevertheless I consider Fusion research to be one of the most important fields; it takes no imagination to understand what it would mean if nations could be powered on water.
... do they call it The US Syndrome
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Excellent! Time for another of my "who pissed in YOUR cocoa puffs this morning?" comments.
Seriously dude,it's an obvious joke.
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This finally answers that old question, "What happens when everyone in China jumps onto the same pair of hydrogen atoms simultaneously?"
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I've read this and this and I'm still a little lost. Could someone with a science background please opine as to what significant hurdles scientists have faced in trying to implement fusion technology in the past?
Any mention of "Mr. Fusion" and a DeLorean in the translation?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Just make a pile of one million Sony-made lithium ion batteries.
Fusion in no time...
Yeah, I had mine set to 10 bytes... so everyone's comments are truncated LIKE THI
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They're just catching on to what MMORPG designers have known for centuries: moneysinks are good for the economy!
Not only have the Chinese created a fusion reaction, they found a way to stamp it out of plastic for three cents a unit.
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Iraq's kicking your ass, and you want to invade China?
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Yup, the $10k/unit pitchforks they gave to each member of the standing army really cost them alot... Seriously though, China doesnt have the GNP to outfit a 2 million man army with adequate supplies unless its old tech. To simply things: Assume an AK47 at government discount costs $150 per unit. Outfit this weapon as your main weapon for all troops (much like the M16 is today; I know there are diff weapons for diff branches, but we are simplifying here). 2 mil x 150 = 300 million dollars. And thats just the weapon. What about clothes? Training? Body armor? Now throw in vehicles like tanks, a navy, an air force with the super-expensive jets (And the research behind them). See where I'm going? There is a point where you lose effectiveness in your army's power based upon the cost to run it... China may have a standing army of 2 million people... but I'd bet its about the tech level of Iran, if not a little bit better. Going against something like NATO would be a stupid move by the Chinese.
How pure of water do you need, and how hard is it to purify? I'd imagine that while a plant to purify enough water for even a small city would be considerable, it wouldn't be a stretch to have a smaller plant purify water for a fusion reaction. That would mean that you can tap water sources that wouldn't be viable for human consumption, no wars needed. Plus you can power your purification systems from the reactor once it's running.
The success is very likely a lie, given the recent history of science research in China.
Only the NSA would think that a spy satellite is needed in order to read a press release.
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Actually this is a premise to a series of ecological disasters described in the Reality Dysfunction series of SF books by Peter F. Hamilton.
It's mentioned only peripherally, but the general idea is that the widespread use of fusion power and the vastly increased energy consumption, combined with population and other types of biosphere-bashing, have led to super-storms that basically scour anything in their path.
A little farfetched at present, but an interesting scenario. You'd really have to have "Mr. Fusions" on every car/truck/bus/lawnmower/house, all consuming gigawatts of power, before you would start to come anywhere near to the amount of heat the Earth takes in (and consequently radiates back out, since it stays at a basically fixed average temperature) from the Sun.
However if you did manage to produce some sort of limitless energy source, and just started using it everywhere, it doesn't seem physically impossible that the average temperature of the planet would go up. It would have to -- it's a simple Newton's Law of Cooling problem. The temperature would increase until the energy flowing out into space equaled the energy flowing in from the sun and from other sources; given that the energy flows out at a rate that's proportional to the difference in temperature between the planet and the surrounding space.
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Would it be possible to fire two neutral hydrogen beams directly at one another and upon impact drop the termperature significantly enough that the the atoms would "stick"?
If it is not humanly possible what would be the expected result?
Well, the "Me so horny" prostitute was Vietnamese (from the movie Full Metal Jacket), and it's the Japanese that have problems pronouncing Ls, not the Chinese. So, besides mixing up three different asian countries with distinct languages and cultures, your ethnic insult was spot on. Way to go!
verily.. how strange..
what do you base than statement on? any concrete data?
The Iraq war certainly isn't going the way King George wants, but saying they're kicking our ass when we've:
1) Removed their old government.
2) Disolved their old military and police forces.
3) Leveled their infrastructure.
is kind of stupid, don't you think? We can topple foreign governments very well, we just can't rule foreign people worth a shit, and really, we shouldn't even be trying, but that's another topic which I'd bet we agree on.
look, everybody, yet another example of fusion
Go to any elite engineering school and take a survey of the top 10% of the students there. I would be shocked if at least 50% of those students are not chinese. I don't mean chinese americans, I mean chinese from china.
Some of the smartest people I know are chinese. What makes you think they can't do it? Is it because they are not white? Are chinese incabable of doing research? Are the chinese by nature liars?
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Totally offtopic, but hey, it works. It's caused by IsTextUnicode failing in certain cases. See here for more.
Let me clear some things up for you (information from The Military Power of the People's Republic of China 2005 Annual report to congeress by the US Department of Defense):
China's GDP: $1700 Billion
China's Defense budget: $50 Billion (note that this is a Low end estimate.)
Active personell: 2.3 million (note that China has mandatory military service of ~24 months from 18 to 22 years of age so if needed, anybody above 22 and below 40 would be good military material. now think about their population...)
Total personell including reserves: >3.2 million
More data: this time from the CIA Factbook Reserves of foriegn exchange and Gold: $825.6 billion
Another amount for military expenditure: $81.48 billion (slightly larger because this isn't a low estimate)
Both of these publications are available on the web. I advise you read them if you want to hae any decent info about China.
P.S. next time you make asanine comments about something, back them up with hard data.
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I do but it does have some problems.
It is really really big. It requires a lot of parts. And tends to run a little hot.
I do have a prototype. Look up it is one AU above your head.
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There seem to be many knowledgable people here today. Do any of you know how they plan to deal with neutron containment at the ITER reactor?
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Considering that it's communist philosophy "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" human nature is for people to understate the first and overstate the second, so it's not a chinese thing but a communist thing.
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So China can blast our satellites with lasers and produce infinite amounts of energy any given afternoon. Is anyone else soiling themselves, or is it just yours truly?
On another note, I find it interesting they produced "more energy" than they put in. Who gives a damn about conservation of energy and all that shit, right? Energy-mass equivalence can kiss my black ass! Einstein is burning in hell!!
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we can bring democracy to China before the 2008 Olympics
2008? I thought the Iraq war was supposed to take no more than 6 months, and now we want to invade China with that limited time period? Do you even know how BIG China is?
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I am surprised that nobody else has taken issue with where the world's very first commercial fusion reactor will be built.
I envision some ill-informed, or just plain stupid, french person getting upset that it will be built in his backyard. He might be afraid of high voltage power lines or something.
I envision Spain folk complaining that they cannot differentiate between the sun coming up, and the ominous glow of their fusion brothers to the east.
I envision German politicians wondering if any funny gasses will head their way in the atmosphere.
I envision china, russia, and americans getting kind of upset that they have put so much time, research, and money towards GIVING AWAY the worlds first non-poluting energy source. Limitless power, research, knowledge, and experience...given to the french to control.
I just see a lot of people complaining.
I also envision the french complaining again...when after another 15 years Germany, Portugal, England, Russia, China, India, Sudan, USA, and Mexico all have significantly larger, and more efficient fusion reactors available to them. Then France will be jealous that they ended up being the guinnee pig and have this old fashioned albatross as an energy and administrative nightmare.
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Yes, of course it was a joke. However, I am having a lot more fun than I thought reading the posts of people who thought I was serious.
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My parent post has already been modded down, so I take it some mod was none too amused, wasn't bright enough to identify it as sarcasm, or else just thought that pithy commentary on the Iraq/Iran situation is misplaced here. It is indeed offtopic--especially considering how little technological overlap there is between fusion development and nuclear weapons development--but I'm having some pretty consistent fun nevertheless.
exploding heads? that sounds more like fission than fusion.
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The cold fusion cells just keep chugging along, producing excess energy indifferent to the army of physicists wishing they'd just stop making life difficult and play by the rules.
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>Dr. Edward Teller in the 50's but those weren't exactly practical power producing devices
Which didn't stop Dr. Teller from suggesting generating power by producing steam in the chamber left by an underground explosion. I seem to remember that the idea was to set off additional bombs if the temperature dropped too low.
It causes a million cases of cancer a year in the US alone (more than smoking does!). We must immediately shut it down and sue the manufacturer.
You may not know, but South Koreans are not Communists.
However, I am a scientist. And, guess what, my wife is from South Korea. We've had a number of discussions about Hwang Woo-suk (the scientist in question).
I can state, as a scientist, that there's a lot of pressure to get certain results. If you don't get some kind of results you don't get grants. You don't get grants, you can't continue your research.
My wife states, as a South Korean, that there can be a lot of cultural pressure to succeed and that it can be quite overwhelming at times.
I think that the GP (my GGP) was saying that due to all the cultural pressures it may be too tempting for Chinese scientists to fake results.
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Thank you for correcting my mistake about Hwang Woo-suk's country of origin. And for you insight into the cultural pressures present. My original post was meant to clarify for a poster who had taken offence at a (mis)percieved insult about the ability of Chinese people to be good scientists.
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Since you are modded offtopic, I will reply as AC. I didn't read the GP, but as a "telephone test fluent" speaker of Cantonese (American white-boy), and a passable speaker of Mandarin, I can state unequivocally that Chinese (from China and Taiwan) have trouble with the letter L. It is just not the problem that most people think it is (it is unrelated to the R sound). The following is my experience based on verbal interaction with ladies^W people from Guandong (Guangzhou, Foshan, Zhongshan, Taishan, Chaozhou, Xinhui, and Kaiping), Hubei(Wuhan), Shanghai, Beijing , Tianjin, and Taiwan (Xinzhu and Taibei):
(1) as a final sound in words like "table" (tay-bo), "pool" (poo-), etc. This derives from the fact that in Cantonese/Mandarin the only voiced consonantal endings are M/N/NG.
(2) as an initial (Southern Chinese speakers and people from Western Hubei). It sometimes comes out as the letter N (the reverse is more common, N coming out as L).
This pattern is fading in Hong Kong Cantonese over the last 30 years. The solution was to eliminate N as an initial across the board in Cantonese (almost, everyone now says "lei5 ho2 ma3, but many still say "ni1 do6" for "here"). In English articulation the letters N and L differ little, with the significant difference being L having lateral airflow around the tongue and exiting the mouth. N is all nose. Many Cantonese speakers when they say English words being with L, the initial sound seems almost to be N and L simultaneously with the N starting a few milliseconds before the L.
The conversion of N to L in HK leads to humorous statements from British educated Cantonese speakers saying after a tough day, "I'm completely lacquered." Of course they mean "knackered", both are funny in their way.
Congratulation on having the wang2 ba1 removed from your dan4 (828) (inside joke to parent).
I'm pretty sure that happens here in the capitalist west too. It's not a communist thing but a human thing.
I got to see a laser demo in high school while attending a math competition. Assuming that low power meant "incapable of causing harm", I looked right into a lazer with both eyes to impress a friend.
What a complete idiot.
Amazingly, my night vision started returning about 7 years later!
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You must be new here, eh?
He invented the television bebore working on table top fusion devices, a.k.a. fusors.
Check out www.fusor.net
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Let's not forget that on the same topic of nuclear fusion American scientists have also been known to have spread misinformation by claiming to have perfected cold water fusion.
If the pattern goes 9am, 10am, 11am, why isn't noon 12am?
The report did not specify whether the device... had succeeded at producing more energy than it consumed, the main obstacle to making fusion commercially viable
If it lasted only three seconds, it was probably not self-sufficient.
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Since you say you're involved with the ITER project, can I ask one thing that I have never seen answered about it ? Here: how do the ITER people plan to fight the intense Bremsstrahlung cooling of the plasma due to heavy ions being ripped off the walls of the reactor ? AFAIK this cooling makes sustainable fusion in a Tokamak impossible.
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Go to any elite engineering school and take a survey of the top 10% of the students there. I would be shocked if at least 50% of those students are not chinese. I don't mean chinese americans, I mean chinese from china.
I call bullshit (on your statistic, not your general point).
I'm in the Stanford CS PhD program, and there are surprisingly few Chinese. Sure, there are plenty of Asians, but a reasonable fraction of them are Korean or Indian, and there are plenty of Caucasians (disproportionately many Greeks), Hispanics and Jews. I've only noticed a few Chinese from China, but I'm oblivious that way. I have no idea who the top students are, but if you count the whole PhD program, it's certainly not true.
At Harvard it wasn't true either (of course, Harvard is not an engineering school). If anything, there were more Jews than Chinese at the top, and almost all of the Chinese were 2nd or 3rd generation; this was true both undergrad and CS grad (though not as much of math grads).
At MIT, from what I know, it wasn't true either: most of the elite students I knew there were either Jewish or Caucasian. I didn't know that many, though.
At my summer jobs, there have been a lot of smart Chinese people, but only a few of them were from China.
At the math olympiad programs the years I went, half the team was Chinese, but only one or so each year from China. Of the students there in general, maybe a third were Chinese. (China wins the olympiad almost every year, though.)
This is not to say that Chinese people are stupid. Just like you, I know plenty of really smart Chinese people, although most of them are 2nd or 3rd generation.
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2 million man STANDING army?
2 million man fusion powered standing army.
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I was at a dinner tonight where one of my colegues was irritating our Chinese guests by making comments about the lack of a power grid in China, the chinese gentleman was getting rather defensive. I remembered this articl and mentioned it is a positive light. It seems that he was very aware of, and proud of, the test. It saved the dinner party. So, this, even if it might not be a great scientific advance, was usefull to me.
d00d, the smallest solar cell powering an LCD calculator produces more net power than the largest fusion reactor. think about it.
That's just because they're the "pick of the litter." With arare execption (I knew one), only the smartest people in China get the chance to go to US colleges. The people who don't make the cut attend Chinese colleges. This is as-opposed to the US applicant pool for colleges, where some less-capable students are admitted for many possible reasons (sports, "legacy" child of alum, racial quotas, less applicants than previous year, etc.)
You just THINK foreigners are statistically smaller, but the fact is you're not seeing a statistically random sample group.
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As someone who is descended at least partially from "peasant classes" here in America, I would like to point out that given the opportunity, at least some of these "peasants" will end up contributing to the advancement of science and technology. Nearly all of my great-grandparent's generation, and my father's parents were farmers. My dad worked his way up into management from being a truck driver and mechanic, my mom put herself through nursing school, and together they put me and my 3 other siblings through college. Two of us have advanced degrees, and all of us have worked in fields requiring a high degree of technical knowledge.
One of the reasons why our "peasant class" has shrunk is that this is a typical American story. 75 years ago, most Americans worked away in factories, mines, or on the farm, for wages that provided for survival and little more. The thing that made the difference was that most children of the era got at a good enough basic education in reading and math so at least the brighter minds of the era were able to see a future beyond the meatpacking plant, coal mine, or dairy farm where many of their parents toiled away their lives.
For China to truly be an economic powerhouse that delivers levels of prosperity to all of its people, it must break down the barriers of ignorance and cultural stratification that keep the peasant class intact. But here is some serious food for thought: If China can deliver a First-World education to only 25 percent of its population, their economic power in the world will eventually surpass ours. America, with its own educated workforce and natural resources will continue to do relatively well, but it will fade as the main focus on the world stage in a manner similar to how Western Europe has faded since WWII. Most of Western Europe is still relatively prosperous, but they are not where the action is, generally speaking.
In the early history of the USA, Americans sent their best and brightest to the great learning centers of Europe to finish their education. Eventually, the universities and colleges here in America became good enough that Americans looked to Harvard or MIT for inspiration, instead of Oxford or Cambridge. Today, the Asians look to America for higher learning, but it is becoming less necessary to actually come to America, since research papers and other important publications are more likely to be on a university web server than tucked away on a shelf in a dusty old ivy covered building. For some things, particularly experiments in High-Energy Physics, there is no good substitute for having your own multi-billion dollar research facility on the scale of Argonne or Stanford and an educated staff to run it in order to do leading-edge research. However, for much of the training that needs to take place for the majority of engineers, physicians, IT people, and business management professionals, a classroom in Shanghai works about as well as one in Boston.
China is still trying to find itself in the sense of what it is best able to do in the long-run. China is dabbling in Physics, but it is also a formidable force to be reckoned with in other fields as well, particularly Medicine. Manufacturing, which is carrying the economy right now, is mostly built on technology derived from other countries, and is fueled by cheap labor. For many products, making them with secondhand machinery or not quite bleeding edge tech is good enough if you have cheap enough labor, but as wages rise and newer technologies emerge, they will see their industries decline as they did here 30 years ago, unless they reinvest their current profits into research and education to create leading edge technology of their own.
"At Harvard it wasn't true either (of course, Harvard is not an engineering school)."
I would not expect a lot of minorities in any of the ivy league schools. They are by and large affirmitive action for rich people, movie stars, models and such. The main criterea for entrance is fame and fortune and the main crieterea for graduation is "went to some ofo my classes and didn't stay high the entire time".
I am not saying that there are no smart people at harvard or princeton clearly there are. It's just that they are also full of brainless dumbassess who manage to get accepted and graduate purely because they are rich or famous (see dubya).
I remember one time watching the Howard Stern show where he as asking models questions. One of the models was asked "what is at the center of the solar system". She could not answer. Howard gave her all kinds of clues basically doing every but giving her the answer and she still couln't answer. Howard asked her if she has a degree and she said she did... from harvard!!!
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I would not expect a lot of minorities in any of the ivy league schools. They are by and large affirmitive action for rich people, movie stars, models and such. The main criterea for entrance is fame and fortune...
That may have been true 20 years ago, but it isn't true anymore.
and the main crieterea for graduation is "went to some ofo my classes and didn't stay high the entire time"...
Bold words from someone who can't spell "criterion". The pressure at MIT at least is pretty insane.
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Yup, pressure at MIT certainly is a killer! (I just got my 8.012 test back...). On the main point, I don't seem to find a clear relationship between the top students and their ethnic origins. Also, most of the reeeeally smart people are a mixture of cultures; say dad Palestinian mom Japanese.
Clearly, the above guy who said all this crap about ivy leagues has very little clue what he is talking about...
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Yeah right and japan has chinese enrolled too (my left shoe). No its because outsourcing to china is embarassing. Now if you had said top 15% and the most expensive I really might have thought that now do they go to grad school and teach or do they get a job making the top 1%? Hardware? No IBM CAT etc are fine. Look when I worked in software it was mathmaticians (US of course Newton duh) -> Russ (bored and cold and starving) -> Chinese (achieved hot sauce ignition) there is a flow chart. Tyan the best they got lenovo cheap lots of medium podunk. Its a density thing i'm afraid and we are distributed and we have the power of the dollar and space. Chinese extremely good at long haul technical save the cash. Family business. R&D are you joking man :) Don't give a china man some software they will smoke it (they are good at math and are excellent technically very very smart) if they think they can get hardware out of it (or vice versa). I've seen them in action scary stuff especially on our turf. They apply speed brakes when it comes to conversing over here though at least with business people its not their place? Uh uh too competitive not nice no how.
That said if China doesn't win this argument eventually something is wrong. The US is seriously inbred and culturally inept and it shows in some ways but our heirarchy looks to be in danger (mad cow disease farms drying up etc). We are recycling decades for goodness sakes. Korea has a shot I hope, they could smoke the chinese for stretches look at japan.
There are other pockets of highly intricate engineers in exotic locations. I'm glad I can't see them all at the same time.
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