you've got pretty lame admins if you can't keep the server up as long as Linux. and you're even lamer if you think you have to shutdown the whole server to shutdown a service.
Nikola Tesla is also my favourite scientist/inventor. It's ridiculas, when you learn about AC in physics, they don't tell you who invented it. When I learnt about the radio in primary school, I was told marconi invented it - no mention what soever of Tesla.
Tesla has been erased from history, while lesser scientists like Edison get god like status (most probably cause they're American and not Serbian).
It's amazing how people are so unwilling (even teachers) to know anything about Tesla.
If anyone is interested in Tesla coils btw, you can have a look around the tesla coil webring
True, but it all depends on what you're going to do. Windows 2000 is horribly expensive, but it's a great desktop OS and small business server. Hell in some cases it's also good for an enterprise server (32way SMP anyone?).
Linux is always going to be the cheaper solution. And in many cases, a better choice.
As for the other features...well it's unfair to just sit around complaining about windows 2000 out of the box. Windows has always had 3rd party NAT and other networking products/addons. Also security in NT is much more flexible. You can apply ACLs to everything from pipes/mutuxes/threads all the way to files.
Maybe it's the way their DNS is designed to crash Unix DNS. </i> <br><br> Uh huh. So it's microsoft's fault that BIND was vunerable to DoS attacks? The problem was only in an earlier version of BIND, and was a bug in BIND, which has been patched. <br><br> I suppose you love Sun's proprietry software and hardware.
He said that the company enjoyed an excellent relation with the Commission, and accused Sun Microsystems, one of Microsoft's main rivals in the server market, of initiating the complaint.
What? Sun had something to do with this? Believe me, I am trying to look very very suprised.
For a while too. It's just now part of windows. Would you stop comparing windows *out of the box* to everything single piece of unix software developed since the 60s?
www.tinysoftware.com make an especially good version of NAT.
Berkeley sockets and Microsoft was forced to address the shortcomings of its own TCP/IP implementations. Many Linux fans will no doubt argue that they have not.
Sorry? It was Linus who was forced to admit Linux's TCPIP wasn't as scalable as NT. He admitted this several times stating that 2.4 would fix the problem.
Berkeley sockets and Microsoft was forced to address the shortcomings of its own TCP/IP implementations. Many Linux fans will no doubt argue that they have not. </i><br><br> Sorry? It was Linus who was forced to admit Linux's TCPIP wasn't as scalable as NT. He admitted this several times stating that 2.4 would fix the problem.
The Linux product itself is clearly superior to anyone who has used other "real" operating systems, (no, using just windoze 95 does not count) now it is mainly a matter of getting the word out. </i>
Excuse me? Give me some proof. Linux is less scalable than almost every other Unix (and even other OSs like NT - Linus admitted the networking flaws). And it's only succeeded out of luck and good timing (straight from Linus' mouth).
Please don't delude yourself. Lets see Linux take over the job of enterprise Solaris servers.
Is sun giving away StarOffice out of the goodness of their hearts?
Is sun running around claiming that software should be free cause it benefits 'all of humanity'? No. They make all their money on hardware, and they don't give a shit about software.
What you say is so absolutely lame.
"Do you think the networks make television free out of the goodness of their hearts?" "Do you think churches give away free bibles out of the goodness of their heats?"
That's actually a good observation. If you try loading microsoft.com on IE3 it won't work. NS3 IMHO is better than IE3 cause it can load up ore pages successfully. IE3 was faster, and was already componentized by then (it was an ActiveX control by ver3).
IE4 was technically beter than Netscape in every way (speed, stability, standards support).
IE5 was the same as IE4 except it added more standards support, XML, improved DHTML (basically you can access and change every element on the webpage dynamically now) and VML and other XML variants. VML rocks, pity not many people use it (thanks to netscape's slow ass job on mozilla).
Or he turns the monitor off, but leaves the computer on, thinking the whole thing is off <br><br> That's so true:).
A while ago, I had the librarian tell me off when I closed "program manager" on the library computer (to her, it meant the computer was broken). So she promptly turned the monitor off, waited 15 seconds, and turned it back on.:D.
First of all, good for him, it'll no doubt save him money in someway...but I have a few grumbles with what he says anyway...
Have to admit that I was inclined to do my best to end my relationship with MS (costly stuff that, forty percent plus margin kind of makes me uneasy in the have-I-been-taken-for-a-ride department)
Where does he get 40% from? How does he know how much Microsoft spends in R&D?
Word can easily be replaced by Wordperfect, Staroffice or Abiword. Quite satisfactory, and MSWord files are no problem.
Yeah, if all you use words for is just typing up stuff, Word has MANY features, most people only use 5% of the features, but not everyone uses the same 5%. In many areas, Staroffice and Wordperfect fail (good antialiased fonts is a BIG area). Table support, integration (eg. embedd other documents like excel/pdf/ etc are lacking. He probably does use these, but then, if all he needs is 'abiword', then maybe he would be just as happy with a simple editor like notepad or wordpad.
Somebody has a question that you are about to answer in slide 14. I 'click' forward to 14 and then back again. (try that in Powerpoint).
Uh, maybe he should look at PowerPoint again. Linus likes PowerPoint right?:P
This is where I see a glaring gap among the Linux applications. Netscape is useful (but unstable), best solution I guess is having a Palm Pilot in conjunction with Kpilot or Jpilot.
On the dot;).
And the few times I needed a helping hand both Mandrake and Caldera did their best without sending me through the hoops of four levels of interrogation before support - MS style
Oh, I dunno, I've found Microsoft to be the best support company (in my own experience). But then, I deal mostly with developer support where they ship you like service pack cds by courier to your door:). I've heard phone support is pretty crappy, but web based support is good. I've always had personal responses from my emails to Microsoft.
I think a lot of what the guy is saying hovers around the 'correct' mark, but it depends so much on your personal needs. A lot of the reason why everyone uses Office is because there's a huge 3rd party market for plugins and applications based on Office. I mean, you can write a (small) accouting system using Excel and macros alone, and heaps of people use Excel for exactly that. Unix is damn good for shell scripting, but Windows is damn good for business/producvitiy app scripting and integration. Want to reuse IE in your word document to render VML drawings, with vector data coming from an Access database? No problem. COM. Want to play an MPEG video in your power point app using Windows Media Player? No problem. COM. Want to add your power point presentation into a word document, and also display an excel sheet inside your powerpoint presentation? No problem. COM.
etc. KOffice/KDE is making huge strides towards this, but still has a way to go.
If all you need to do is to type up letters, then spending money of Office is stoopid. But just don't think that that's all Office does.
It would have been nice to see the money go to something that would help more people. I frankly looks like a waste of money to me. Would be like fighting Sky television over illegally decoding pay tv.
Ofcourse, he can give it any way he likes, but then gates gives away money and it's always "oh, but he has so much money", AC gives it away, and it's like, it doesn't matter, it's Alan Cox!
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you've got pretty lame admins if you can't keep the server up as long as Linux. and you're even lamer if you think you have to shutdown the whole server to shutdown a service.
I'm sure there can be some compatability mode for older applications while everyone starts putting vector image resources into their win32 modules.
Works nice and fast here. Oh whoops, I'm using IE5 :P
Anyway, can't you just disable java in netscape?
And if you were lucky enough to have a tape drive you just had to go "LOAD" :).
Uh, open up a college physics text book, does it say who the unit "Tesla" was named after? No.
He's just as credited as Dr. Kilogram, Dr. Metre and Dr. Second.
Nikola Tesla is also my favourite scientist/inventor. It's ridiculas, when you learn about AC in physics, they don't tell you who invented it. When I learnt about the radio in primary school, I was told marconi invented it - no mention what soever of Tesla.
Tesla has been erased from history, while lesser scientists like Edison get god like status (most probably cause they're American and not Serbian).
It's amazing how people are so unwilling (even teachers) to know anything about Tesla.
If anyone is interested in Tesla coils btw, you can have a look around the tesla coil webring
True, but it all depends on what you're going to do. Windows 2000 is horribly expensive, but it's a great desktop OS and small business server. Hell in some cases it's also good for an enterprise server (32way SMP anyone?).
Linux is always going to be the cheaper solution. And in many cases, a better choice.
As for the other features...well it's unfair to just sit around complaining about windows 2000 out of the box. Windows has always had 3rd party NAT and other networking products/addons.
Also security in NT is much more flexible. You can apply ACLs to everything from pipes/mutuxes/threads all the way to files.
Maybe it's the way their DNS is designed to crash Unix DNS.
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Uh huh. So it's microsoft's fault that BIND was vunerable to DoS attacks? The problem was only in an earlier version of BIND, and was a bug in BIND, which has been patched.
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I suppose you love Sun's proprietry software and hardware.
Yes that's my point. Microsoft isn't any more 'evil' than anyone else. They are what they are.
He said that the company enjoyed an excellent relation with the Commission, and accused Sun Microsystems, one of Microsoft's main rivals in the server market, of initiating the complaint.
What? Sun had something to do with this? Believe me, I am trying to look very very suprised.
For a while too. It's just now part of windows. Would you stop comparing windows *out of the box* to everything single piece of unix software developed since the 60s?
www.tinysoftware.com make an especially good version of NAT.
Berkeley sockets and Microsoft was forced to address the shortcomings of its own TCP/IP implementations. Many Linux fans will no doubt argue that they have not.
Sorry? It was Linus who was forced to admit Linux's TCPIP wasn't as scalable as NT. He admitted this several times stating that 2.4 would fix the problem.
Berkeley sockets and Microsoft was forced to address the shortcomings of its own TCP/IP implementations. Many Linux fans will no doubt argue that they have not.
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Sorry? It was Linus who was forced to admit Linux's TCPIP wasn't as scalable as NT. He admitted this several times stating that 2.4 would fix the problem.
The Linux product itself is clearly superior to anyone who has used other "real" operating systems, (no, using just windoze 95 does not count) now it is mainly a matter of getting the word out.
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Excuse me? Give me some proof. Linux is less scalable than almost every other Unix (and even other OSs like NT - Linus admitted the networking flaws). And it's only succeeded out of luck and good timing (straight from Linus' mouth).
Please don't delude yourself. Lets see Linux take over the job of enterprise Solaris servers.
*rolls eyes*
Man that's absolutely lame.
So?
Is sun giving away StarOffice out of the goodness of their hearts?
Is sun running around claiming that software should be free cause it benefits 'all of humanity'? No. They make all their money on hardware, and they don't give a shit about software.
What you say is so absolutely lame.
"Do you think the networks make television free out of the goodness of their hearts?"
"Do you think churches give away free bibles out of the goodness of their heats?"
etc etc.
Ofcourse DirectX isn't just about 3D and graphics. It's also about inputs, networking, sound etc.
OpenGL is hardly a competitor to DirectX as a whole.
No you don't. It'd be faster, but you could do it with just 4 32bit numbers.
Well, crusoe isn't the fastest processor at all. It's just the lowest power using (wrt to speed) x86 compatable chip.
I'd much rather have a cluster of P3 or Athlons.
That's actually a good observation.
If you try loading microsoft.com on IE3 it won't work. NS3 IMHO is better than IE3 cause it can load up ore pages successfully. IE3 was faster, and was already componentized by then (it was an ActiveX control by ver3).
IE4 was technically beter than Netscape in every way (speed, stability, standards support).
IE5 was the same as IE4 except it added more standards support, XML, improved DHTML (basically you can access and change every element on the webpage dynamically now) and VML and other XML variants. VML rocks, pity not many people use it (thanks to netscape's slow ass job on mozilla).
Or he turns the monitor off, but leaves the computer on, thinking the whole thing is off :).
:D.
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That's so true
A while ago, I had the librarian tell me off when I closed "program manager" on the library computer (to her, it meant the computer was broken). So she promptly turned the monitor off, waited 15 seconds, and turned it back on.
Your in Christ,
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Sorry, but I don't own an "in Christ". What is it?
Ahhh ok :).
Seems a bit on the high side, especially since OEMs can buy windows at significant discounts (as can other partners/developers etc).
First of all, good for him, it'll no doubt save him money in someway...but I have a few grumbles with what he says anyway...
:P
;).
:). I've heard phone support is pretty crappy, but web based support is good. I've always had personal responses from my emails to Microsoft.
Have to admit that I was inclined to do my best to end my relationship with MS (costly stuff that, forty percent plus margin kind of makes me uneasy in the have-I-been-taken-for-a-ride department)
Where does he get 40% from? How does he know how much Microsoft spends in R&D?
Word can easily be replaced by Wordperfect, Staroffice or Abiword. Quite satisfactory, and MSWord files are no problem.
Yeah, if all you use words for is just typing up stuff, Word has MANY features, most people only use 5% of the features, but not everyone uses the same 5%. In many areas, Staroffice and Wordperfect fail (good antialiased fonts is a BIG area). Table support, integration (eg. embedd other documents like excel/pdf/ etc are lacking. He probably does use these, but then, if all he needs is 'abiword', then maybe he would be just as happy with a simple editor like notepad or wordpad.
Somebody has a question that you are about to answer in slide 14. I 'click' forward to 14 and then back again. (try that in Powerpoint).
Uh, maybe he should look at PowerPoint again. Linus likes PowerPoint right?
This is where I see a glaring gap among the Linux applications. Netscape is useful (but unstable), best solution I guess is having a Palm Pilot in conjunction with Kpilot or Jpilot.
On the dot
And the few times I needed a helping hand both Mandrake and Caldera did their best without sending me through the hoops of four levels of interrogation before support - MS style
Oh, I dunno, I've found Microsoft to be the best support company (in my own experience). But then, I deal mostly with developer support where they ship you like service pack cds by courier to your door
I think a lot of what the guy is saying hovers around the 'correct' mark, but it depends so much on your personal needs. A lot of the reason why everyone uses Office is because there's a huge 3rd party market for plugins and applications based on Office. I mean, you can write a (small) accouting system using Excel and macros alone, and heaps of people use Excel for exactly that. Unix is damn good for shell scripting, but Windows is damn good for business/producvitiy app scripting and integration. Want to reuse IE in your word document to render VML drawings, with vector data coming from an Access database? No problem. COM. Want to play an MPEG video in your power point app using Windows Media Player? No problem. COM. Want to add your power point presentation into a word document, and also display an excel sheet inside your powerpoint presentation? No problem. COM.
etc. KOffice/KDE is making huge strides towards this, but still has a way to go.
If all you need to do is to type up letters, then spending money of Office is stoopid. But just don't think that that's all Office does.
These PDAs use a mobile version of Linux.
;)
I just hope it's not the 60MB monstrosity from Transmeta
It would have been nice to see the money go to something that would help more people. I frankly looks like a waste of money to me. Would be like fighting Sky television over illegally decoding pay tv.
Ofcourse, he can give it any way he likes, but then gates gives away money and it's always "oh, but he has so much money", AC gives it away, and it's like, it doesn't matter, it's Alan Cox!