Gee, so anything that says anything good about microsoft (which my post wasn't even doing) is flamebait simply cause slashdot is full of people who like flaming microsoft? That's utterly stupid.
My post was not crafted to inflame people. It's a fact, the KB article is not written on windows 2000 advertising pamflets, it's an answer to questions asked to microsoft. Lets say noone asked the question and MS are doing it for pure 'evil', so what? What differences would that make? Noone is going to go searching on the KB for "linux" and come across this article and go, oooooh now I know how to uninstall linux, yes I'll just go and do that now.
Gee, did I even fucking mention anything inflmatory about Linux? I was just saying that the fact Microsoft has answers to questions asked by their customers regarding removing Linux is no big deal.
It's a KB, people go and search for this stuff, it's not instructions plastered on the cover of the windows 2000 box.
Oooh, Redhat has instructions on how to remove Windows.
Why don't you guys search MSKB for articles on linux, (forgetting the frontpage extensions ones) there are other useful articles like how to remove LILO using FDISK/MBR - something often asked on linux chat channels, and there's also a KB article on how to RESTORE lilo after installing Windows.
I'm so pissed off with/. for posting this and for everyone making such a big deal out of it. KB articles are supplied to answer frequently asked questions by MS customers and developers. This is a KB article not an advertising broshure.
If there's anything MS does very well, it's supporting developers and customers better than everyone else.
[Nitpick] They tell you to delete all partitions; perhaps one already has a dual-boot and ought to keep his Windoze partitions. When we type fdisk/mbr, we ought to be in DOS, yet the previous step instructed us to but a Linux bootable CD or disk in and wait for the command prompt. Then again, they could just have us do the whole thing with the MS fdisk, but that'd be too logical, I guess
Do you know what the microsoft knowledge base is?
It's full of questions and answers to them that people have asked. Obviously microsoft have had questions regarding this, enough from customers that they think it's handy to have as a KB they can point people to, or for people to search for.
It's providing for customers and developers which MS does extremeley well (better than others like Sun).
No, I think that he believes success is evil (but only if it's success from a company who makes it's own way very well - like Microsoft). He's jealous that Microsoft gets the respect it does from the majority of the American public, and how 'normal' Bill Gates actually is. He's also jealous that Microsoft seem like the perfect company to work at, nice hidden away in a small town, easy going atmosphere, not stuck in the middle of a noisey city in a high rise building.
I'm sorry, but don't be so 'pancy'. that's what all this reminds me of, linux weenies dancing aruond a penguin on a remote each chanting "tux tux tux tux".
microsoft.com, msdn.microsoft.com etc are all running on Windows 2000 domains now with Active Directory. Yes, that's right, the world's largest web sites with 6TB of downloads a day run Windows 2000.
Why break something (hotmail) when it generally isn't broke....it wouldn't be running BSD if microsoft started it. MSN runs some unix servers because microsoft outsource the service. Unlike people here, Microsoft don't let 'political' reasons dominate business decisions. Who cares? They're all good operating systems.
Now, if you saw microsoft.com running linux (ROFLMAO if you could even get to the servers) then you'd have something to sing and dance about.
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I think the Russians bet Americans to space...which is why Americans where so intent on beating the Russians to the moon.
You know what I mean. Almost everything written specifically for linux is incomplete and still in beta after what...3 years? And it's not just a matter of version numbers and calling it "beta". They really are incomplete - which gives them an excuse when bugs come up (like they ever would eh?).
Microsoft don't charge $70 for partners, OEMs, developers and people who apply to be on the beta. That $70 charge is for those people who want to try, and includes limited support.
There are always ways to get things free from MS if you know how. They usually give away lots of NT server & client licenses as well as Windows 2000 betas at their seminars too, just attend, listen for a few hours and come home $2000 better off.
Microsoft license Windows source to many universities and companies (Citrix, Softway and some others which I can't remember right now).
Also, Microsoft give away SHITLOADs. Your examples of JDK and JRE are stupid. Microsoft also give away their Java SDK and Runtimes. I reguarly get free copies of Windows Betas (and the full release eventually) - I'm not special, just applied. I also recently ordered a free copy of the VBA devleoper's kit - FULL shrink wrapped box - shipped etc for free. There are shitloads if free downloads from MS...NT add ons like IIS, MTS, MSMQ etc are totally free. And MS have the largest online developer's database with GB of information and source code, as well as commentaries from MS engineers etc.
Microsoft is by far the best developer support software company. Sun doesn't even come close.
I think MS have spent at least $1000 on me.
I get shipped stuff for free from redmond to new zealand.
In conclusion, Sun controls the Java platform but not with the same stranglehold that Microsoft has on anything Microsoft. And this difference is significant.
Yeah whatever, like I said, MS is the best developer support company, and that's why I continue to develop for windows.
BTW, check out MSDN.MICROSOFT.COM sometime, don't get lost in the GB of information there - much more than Sun's Java site.
They're all development enviroments not languages. VB is an implmentation of VBA (originally Object Basic) and there's nothing stopping you from making your own implementation as people have (Halcyon's Instant Basic and someone else's Power Basic).
Visual C++ is an IDE with a very fast and for all intents and purposes ANSI compliant C compiler. Visual J++ is also an IDE which by default uses microsoft's compiler, which is a 1.1.4 compliant compiler.
Just cause you add extra features doesn't mean it's not compliant (like sun would tell you). J++ does everything 1.1 does - but does a bit more than that too (which I'm thankful for).
Yes, I used computers back then. And I can't say I've seen any improvement now compared to then. We still have a different file format for every word processor, Wordperfect, StarOffice, Applix, AbiWord, Kword, Word 95, Word 97, Word 2000, MS Works. Notice the last four apps? These are all MS apps and yet all incompatible. I
Word 2000 uses the same format as Word 97, Word 97 can read Word 95 documents, Word95 documents can read Word97 documenteds (with the filter).
Changing the file format has advantages (adding features). But MS have been "perfecting" their OLE compound format and now they can essentially add anything they want to the document format without having to change it - if you know what I mean.
Uh, where did you hear that? It's not windows' fault. Windows (NT in particular) has rather powerful file and io routines. It's more likely the editor you were using was locking access to the file. Win32 definitly allows files to be accessed more than once, or by more than one thread at a time.
What kind of problems do you have with Word and Outlook? I use outlook regulary and Word occansionally and never have any problems. (It's office 2000 here). I remember using outlook 97 and being ashamed, but version 9 is very very good. Can't recall any crashes or problems of any kind.
Forcing MS to document undocumented APIs won't do a single thing? Why cause these APIs don't exist.
Sure there are some exported functions lying around *somewhere* in some DLLs, but the very reason these aren't documented is cause they aren't APIs. They are not for application developers AT ALL. They are not part of Win32, and they are not garunteed to be there in the next release of Win32. If you could prove that MS uses these functions in Office or something, then YES, those functions should be documented as part of the Win32 API. However, there is no proof of that.
I get very angry when people say things like this, cause I think that MS is the best company with regards to developer relations and support. They treat Windows developers VERY well. If you want documentation on Win32 try msdn.microsoft.com, and/or download the Win32SDK. Try before you speak really. I frankly haven't seen anything in Office or other MS products that I thought "hey, i can't do that!!!". Sometimes I see something and go, hey I wonder how they do that, but a search of MSDN always comes up with the info I need.
Frankly, opening up kernel level functions that only windows needs to use (no applications) is just mental.
Netscape is he biggest hunk of shit i've ever used. Netscape was the worst software company ever. They managed to do everything everyone accusses microsoft of - making bloated slow software that actually crashes regularly on any platform - even the "wonderful" linux.
IE is as much a part of Windows has Explorer or notpad is a part of windows. Sure it's not an important part or doesn't even need to be part of an "OS" (just like TCP/IP or a sehll for that matter). But Windows is MORE than a kernel, it's a kernel 'the traditional os' and APIs (Win32, MSDOM, COM, MSHTML/IE). And having a browser that works as both a local file explorer and an internet explorer is a great idea. It's netscape's fault for lacking vision. Who the hell would not have predicted that by 1998 every major OS would ship with a webbrowser and webserver?
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Gee, so anything that says anything good about microsoft (which my post wasn't even doing) is flamebait simply cause slashdot is full of people who like flaming microsoft? That's utterly stupid.
My post was not crafted to inflame people. It's a fact, the KB article is not written on windows 2000 advertising pamflets, it's an answer to questions asked to microsoft. Lets say noone asked the question and MS are doing it for pure 'evil', so what? What differences would that make? Noone is going to go searching on the KB for "linux" and come across this article and go, oooooh now I know how to uninstall linux, yes I'll just go and do that now.
Such a damn crappy article.
Gee, did I even fucking mention anything inflmatory about Linux? I was just saying that the fact Microsoft has answers to questions asked by their customers regarding removing Linux is no big deal.
It's a KB, people go and search for this stuff, it's not instructions plastered on the cover of the windows 2000 box.
Grow up.
I'm sorry, but it is. I mean, who cares?
/MBR - something often asked on linux chat channels, and there's also a KB article on how to RESTORE lilo after installing Windows.
/. for posting this and for everyone making such a big deal out of it.
Oooh, Redhat has instructions on how to remove Windows.
Why don't you guys search MSKB for articles on linux, (forgetting the frontpage extensions ones) there are other useful articles like how to remove LILO using FDISK
I'm so pissed off with
KB articles are supplied to answer frequently asked questions by MS customers and developers. This is a KB article not an advertising broshure.
If there's anything MS does very well, it's supporting developers and customers better than everyone else.
[Nitpick] They tell you to delete all partitions; perhaps one already has a dual-boot and ought to keep his Windoze partitions.
When we type fdisk
Do you know what the microsoft knowledge base is?
It's full of questions and answers to them that people have asked. Obviously microsoft have had questions regarding this, enough from customers that they think it's handy to have as a KB they can point people to, or for people to search for.
It's providing for customers and developers which MS does extremeley well (better than others like Sun).
No, I think that he believes success is evil (but only if it's success from a company who makes it's own way very well - like Microsoft).
He's jealous that Microsoft gets the respect it does from the majority of the American public, and how 'normal' Bill Gates actually is. He's also jealous that Microsoft seem like the perfect company to work at, nice hidden away in a small town, easy going atmosphere, not stuck in the middle of a noisey city in a high rise building.
I'm sorry, but don't be so 'pancy'. that's what all this reminds me of, linux weenies dancing aruond a penguin on a remote each chanting "tux tux tux tux".
microsoft.com, msdn.microsoft.com etc are all running on Windows 2000 domains now with Active Directory. Yes, that's right, the world's largest web sites with 6TB of downloads a day run Windows 2000.
Why break something (hotmail) when it generally isn't broke....it wouldn't be running BSD if microsoft started it.
MSN runs some unix servers because microsoft outsource the service. Unlike people here, Microsoft don't let 'political' reasons dominate business decisions. Who cares? They're all good operating systems.
Now, if you saw microsoft.com running linux (ROFLMAO if you could even get to the servers) then you'd have something to sing and dance about.
I think the Russians bet Americans to space ...which is why Americans where so intent on beating the Russians to the moon.
I think Microsoft has heavily invested in Transvirtual...so it is MS in an indirect way.
If MS made a java sdk or linux, it would give mcneally a chance to run around in circles clucking like a chicken again.
You know what I mean.
Almost everything written specifically for linux is incomplete and still in beta after what...3 years?
And it's not just a matter of version numbers and calling it "beta". They really are incomplete - which gives them an excuse when bugs come up (like they ever would eh?).
Microsoft don't charge $70 for partners, OEMs, developers and people who apply to be on the beta. That $70 charge is for those people who want to try, and includes limited support.
There are always ways to get things free from MS if you know how. They usually give away lots of NT server & client licenses as well as Windows 2000 betas at their seminars too, just attend, listen for a few hours and come home $2000 better off.
Funny how the truth is tends to be that Linux is generally free of fully functional software.
Microsoft license Windows source to many universities and companies (Citrix, Softway and some others which I can't remember right now).
Also, Microsoft give away SHITLOADs.
Your examples of JDK and JRE are stupid. Microsoft also give away their Java SDK and Runtimes. I reguarly get free copies of Windows Betas (and the full release eventually) - I'm not special, just applied. I also recently ordered a free copy of the VBA devleoper's kit - FULL shrink wrapped box - shipped etc for free.
There are shitloads if free downloads from MS...NT add ons like IIS, MTS, MSMQ etc are totally free.
And MS have the largest online developer's database with GB of information and source code, as well as commentaries from MS engineers etc.
Microsoft is by far the best developer support software company. Sun doesn't even come close.
I think MS have spent at least $1000 on me.
I get shipped stuff for free from redmond to new zealand.
In conclusion, Sun controls the Java platform but not with the same stranglehold that Microsoft has on anything Microsoft. And this difference is significant.
Yeah whatever, like I said, MS is the best developer support company, and that's why I continue to develop for windows.
BTW, check out MSDN.MICROSOFT.COM sometime, don't get lost in the GB of information there - much more than Sun's Java site.
They're all development enviroments not languages. VB is an implmentation of VBA (originally Object Basic) and there's nothing stopping you from making your own implementation as people have (Halcyon's Instant Basic and someone else's Power Basic).
Visual C++ is an IDE with a very fast and for all intents and purposes ANSI compliant C compiler. Visual J++ is also an IDE which by default uses microsoft's compiler, which is a 1.1.4 compliant compiler.
Just cause you add extra features doesn't mean it's not compliant (like sun would tell you).
J++ does everything 1.1 does - but does a bit more than that too (which I'm thankful for).
Almost nothing is entirely nature or nurture.
The way you grow new synapses etc will mostly nature related, but the stimulation is nature.
I can tell you many filenames on the drive :P
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it's almost garunteed to have all ntldr, io.sys, pagefile.sys etc
NTFS is _secure_ but obvisously can be mounted on other OSs. Ofcours, like other people have pointed out, W2K supports NTFS cluster level encryption.
Well, the guy didn't exactly run into a bank with machine guns blazing.
Sentences for stealing money is a rather silly too.
Yes, I used computers back then. And I can't say I've seen any improvement now compared to then. We still have a different file format for every word processor, Wordperfect, StarOffice, Applix, AbiWord, Kword, Word 95, Word 97, Word 2000, MS Works. Notice the last four apps? These are all MS apps and yet all incompatible. I
Word 2000 uses the same format as Word 97, Word 97 can read Word 95 documents, Word95 documents can read Word97 documenteds (with the filter).
Changing the file format has advantages (adding features). But MS have been "perfecting" their OLE compound format and now they can essentially add anything they want to the document format without having to change it - if you know what I mean.
Uh, where did you hear that? It's not windows' fault. Windows (NT in particular) has rather powerful file and io routines.
It's more likely the editor you were using was locking access to the file. Win32 definitly allows files to be accessed more than once, or by more than one thread at a time.
What kind of problems do you have with Word and Outlook? I use outlook regulary and Word occansionally and never have any problems. (It's office 2000 here). I remember using outlook 97 and being ashamed, but version 9 is very very good. Can't recall any crashes or problems of any kind.
Gee that's good for consumers. Essentially stop all modern OS development and wait for the laggers to catch up.
Interestingly enough. Did you know that you're escorted immediately out of MS grounds by security guys if you're monitored browsing a porn site?
Forcing MS to document undocumented APIs won't do a single thing? Why cause these APIs don't exist.
Sure there are some exported functions lying around *somewhere* in some DLLs, but the very reason these aren't documented is cause they aren't APIs. They are not for application developers AT ALL. They are not part of Win32, and they are not garunteed to be there in the next release of Win32.
If you could prove that MS uses these functions in Office or something, then YES, those functions should be documented as part of the Win32 API. However, there is no proof of that.
I get very angry when people say things like this, cause I think that MS is the best company with regards to developer relations and support. They treat Windows developers VERY well.
If you want documentation on Win32 try msdn.microsoft.com, and/or download the Win32SDK. Try before you speak really.
I frankly haven't seen anything in Office or other MS products that I thought "hey, i can't do that!!!". Sometimes I see something and go, hey I wonder how they do that, but a search of MSDN always comes up with the info I need.
Frankly, opening up kernel level functions that only windows needs to use (no applications) is just mental.
Here goes my karma...
Netscape is he biggest hunk of shit i've ever used. Netscape was the worst software company ever. They managed to do everything everyone accusses microsoft of - making bloated slow software that actually crashes regularly on any platform - even the "wonderful" linux.
IE is as much a part of Windows has Explorer or notpad is a part of windows. Sure it's not an important part or doesn't even need to be part of an "OS" (just like TCP/IP or a sehll for that matter). But Windows is MORE than a kernel, it's a kernel 'the traditional os' and APIs (Win32, MSDOM, COM, MSHTML/IE). And having a browser that works as both a local file explorer and an internet explorer is a great idea. It's netscape's fault for lacking vision. Who the hell would not have predicted that by 1998 every major OS would ship with a webbrowser and webserver?
bah show me any java 1.1 code that won't compile with J++ and JVC.
ahh ok :D
got a link?