I hardly see how it relates to open desk, except that it might look cool. The ActiveDesktop simply a the new desktop/background - what's new is they made it an OLE container...meaning it could contain activex/javabean componenets. Since IE3/4/5 are ActiveX controls, you can any web page you like (and many of them) on the desktop. So the idea of OpenDesk on the ActiveDesktop is a good one, but you make it seem like the ActiveDesktop is some obscure technology..it's not. It's OLE and ActiveX - and Ofcourse you can stick any website on the ActiveDesktop - or any program providing you make it an OLE provider.
Before it comes to any X-Window manager, they need to get inplace a component model, something like KOM or Bonobo (no i don't like Gnome anymore).
Well, many systems including Terminal Server lets you keep sessions on the server, and log back on where you last started. you can buy all sorts of dedicated terminals for WTS from various hardware makers. Keeping sessions for 10000 users on a server may prove to be a big waste of memory. Do you have 500GB of memory spare?
The point was you said that when IE crashes, it takes down windows. That was incorrect - and I guess you took that from the idea that web integration means IE is in the kernel or something...anyway....certainly any app not written properly can take down windows, since win9x doesn't protect some vital areas of memory. I don't have this problem in NT (well W2K). IE overall - even on non NT systems - has given me less trouble than netscape.
I dunno, I recently moved from 80% VB, 20% C++ to basically 95% Java (J++). J++ helped me use the wonderful language Java is, without giving up my COM and ActiveX and Win32 API. Basically, it's only attractive to me because the language is BRILLIANTLY designed - not cause it's cross platform...
anyway, my point was Java is easier than VB in many ways....i can remember so many days of hacking away trying to add real threading support to VB only to fail horribly:). I tended to use VB as a shell for many components written in C++. I now do the same thing with java and WFC in J++....just with code that's nicer to read:)
You can't really argue that VB isn't programming cause it hides too much - cause then Java would lose out big time (considering VB has access to memory directly thru varptr, strptr, objptr and memcpy).
I've seen Visual Basic used for *ugh!* web-page script stuff, and by engineers who wanted to crank out some cheap & nasty code, quickly. I've not once seen it used for any real work, though.
a load of hogwash. GM runs many of their systems on VB based network applcations. Most of the shops and supermarkets here in New Zealand now run VB based systems at the checkouts.
VB is everywhere - from the Fortune 500s right down to the small business and home.
Certainly more useful VB apps have been written over Java, since VB is actually usable on the client side (C++ speed compared to uh...java speed).
IE crashing does not take down the whole machine. If you have IE set to start in a new process, it won't take down anything. If you're spawning IE in the same process as explorer, it'll take down your shell, but the shell will restart.
It's like saying "Netscape locks up linux and shuts down the WHOLE MACHINE"
Um, I find NT to handle very well with multiple apps. I regulary have 20 or so apps open, about 10 IE windows, ICQ, SQL, SET, REAL etc etc etc....and it's fast as.
Ever tried to open more than one netscape? Or maybe staroffice? ROFL
I don't understand why hacked NT sites
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get so much attention around here.
NT is so "insecure" that hacked websites (esp microsoft.com that runs NT everywhere) should be common place no?
Why the hell don't you just close the toolbars, or customize them? Customizing a toolbar is simply of dragging the menu item you want onto a toolbar, and tada, it has it's own icon. If you don't know what the ICON does, then why don't you hover over it? That's what tooltips are for. It's like saying, UNIX SUCKS, how are people supposed to know what all those stupid CLI commands do? And what's worse, it's hard to find out what they're called.
It's already happened. It's called Visual J++, all the features of VB, with an elegant, easy to use, designed language. That's why I'm not so critical of MS melding java and com together in their JVM, it lets me simply use activex controls/com objects just as if I were in VB. Basically, VJ++ 6 (can't handle not having intellisense:)) sold me out and I haven't touched VB (which I used to use primarly for testing) since....I'm sure I'll still use it for testing and writing quick apps, but J++ does basically everything I need. I have access to all my COM objects i've written in ATL, and most of the ActiveX controls VB had access to. It's a dream come true really:D.
Now, if Microsoft would just get off their butts and write a Java2 implementation for J++ 7....
I think there's a memory leak in the Winsock control:). MS recommends you create a pool of controls, and never unload them (unload-reload-unload-reload is bad:)).
If i was going to write anything client-server i'd use java now days. Takes a few minutes to write a multithreaded server. I only wish Java's Socket classes had a bit more meat on them. Yeesh, there's almost nothing to them:\
works for most things, but come on! There isn't even a handy isConnected() method:|
rewrite the interface for CE (it's not hard)...or have the CE machine run the PalmOS edmulator full time, you can switch over whenever you need more power like sound, video etc.
Consider what would happen if you put a big, really huge, over sized, canon in a small rowboat. What happens if you fire it? The boat sinks...
I think that's pretty much the same thing as trying to play toothpicks.
Leave it up to religious types to always make these really cool stories - and then lose all logic when trying to relate them with reality. eg. "Blah1 is good, blah2 is good, god is good, therefore god must exist and he must be the exact same god that exists in our version of the bible".
It won't be possible to know the long term effects unless we try it. If we didn't try ANYTHING at all, we wouldn't be where we are at now. Obviously it'll have some effect if we repopulate northern europe with mammoths - but then that would have happened anyway if the mommoths weren't killed off.
Lets say that species1 dies, species 2 gets an advantage and multiplies heaps. If species1 is reintroduced thru cloning, people would complain that species2's population would decline. But species2's population would have always been that low had species1 not died. Ofcourse, species1 did die, but then, the point is it really doesn't make much of an impact on the whole....in the long term.
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I hardly see how it relates to open desk, except that it might look cool. ..it's not. It's OLE and ActiveX - and Ofcourse you can stick any website on the ActiveDesktop - or any program providing you make it an OLE provider.
The ActiveDesktop simply a the new desktop/background - what's new is they made it an OLE container...meaning it could contain activex/javabean componenets. Since IE3/4/5 are ActiveX controls, you can any web page you like (and many of them) on the desktop. So the idea of OpenDesk on the ActiveDesktop is a good one, but you make it seem like the ActiveDesktop is some obscure technology
Before it comes to any X-Window manager, they need to get inplace a component model, something like KOM or Bonobo (no i don't like Gnome anymore).
Sortta relevant, you can place simcity onlike (even save games) at simcity.com :D
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I think it's ActiveX only tho
They're selling cheap machines with no OS installed?
So much for all that FUD that microsoft would fire nuclear missiles at anyone who dared not sell windows.
Well, many systems including Terminal Server lets you keep sessions on the server, and log back on where you last started. you can buy all sorts of dedicated terminals for WTS from various hardware makers.
Keeping sessions for 10000 users on a server may prove to be a big waste of memory.
Do you have 500GB of memory spare?
And you can actually turn off array boundry checks etc in VB :)
....your application will just crash if you aren't careful tho...hehe.
So it'll be *that* much faster if you do large loops over arrays
I'd say that's a hardware problem :)
;)
Things like that can happen....background radiation
The point was you said that when IE crashes, it takes down windows.
That was incorrect - and I guess you took that from the idea that web integration means IE is in the kernel or something...anyway....certainly any app not written properly can take down windows, since win9x doesn't protect some vital areas of memory. I don't have this problem in NT (well W2K).
IE overall - even on non NT systems - has given me less trouble than netscape.
I dunno, I recently moved from 80% VB, 20% C++ to basically 95% Java (J++). J++ helped me use the wonderful language Java is, without giving up my COM and ActiveX and Win32 API. Basically, it's only attractive to me because the language is BRILLIANTLY designed - not cause it's cross platform...
:). :)
anyway, my point was Java is easier than VB in many ways....i can remember so many days of hacking away trying to add real threading support to VB only to fail horribly
I tended to use VB as a shell for many components written in C++. I now do the same thing with java and WFC in J++....just with code that's nicer to read
just cause VB has
if expression then
end if
and C or Java has
if (expression) {
}
etc
doesn't mean it's not programming.
You can't really argue that VB isn't programming cause it hides too much - cause then Java would lose out big time (considering VB has access to memory directly thru varptr, strptr, objptr and memcpy).
I've seen Visual Basic used for *ugh!* web-page script stuff, and by engineers who wanted to crank out some cheap & nasty code, quickly. I've not once seen it used for any real work, though.
a load of hogwash. GM runs many of their systems on VB based network applcations. Most of the shops and supermarkets here in New Zealand now run VB based systems at the checkouts.
VB is everywhere - from the Fortune 500s right down to the small business and home.
Certainly more useful VB apps have been written over Java, since VB is actually usable on the client side (C++ speed compared to uh...java speed).
I mean, either people are FUDDING or soemthing weird is going on.
IE crashing does not take down the whole machine.
If you have IE set to start in a new process, it won't take down anything. If you're spawning IE in the same process as explorer, it'll take down your shell, but the shell will restart.
It's like saying "Netscape locks up linux and shuts down the WHOLE MACHINE"
Um, I find NT to handle very well with multiple apps. I regulary have 20 or so apps open, about 10 IE windows, ICQ, SQL, SET, REAL etc etc etc....and it's fast as.
Ever tried to open more than one netscape? Or maybe staroffice?
ROFL
get so much attention around here.
NT is so "insecure" that hacked websites (esp microsoft.com that runs NT everywhere) should be common place no?
ctrl-c, ctrl-v, ctrl-x, ctrl-z (copy, paste, cut, undo) you mean :)
Well they're examples of uses. It's up to application vendors to program what they do, and most likely they'll be user selectable.
think for once.
Under Windows even the second button is rarely useful
I see either you've never used windows, you don't know how to use windows, or you use the context menu button on 104key windows keyboards.
Yeah, that Evil Microsoft. They'll patent the mouse touch sensor like the patented the mouse wheel.
Why the hell don't you just close the toolbars, or customize them? Customizing a toolbar is simply of dragging the menu item you want onto a toolbar, and tada, it has it's own icon.
If you don't know what the ICON does, then why don't you hover over it? That's what tooltips are for.
It's like saying, UNIX SUCKS, how are people supposed to know what all those stupid CLI commands do? And what's worse, it's hard to find out what they're called.
It's motorola, not Apple.
Ever heard of Microsoft's Athlon?
It's already happened. It's called Visual J++, all the features of VB, with an elegant, easy to use, designed language. :)) sold me out and I haven't touched VB (which I used to use primarly for testing) since....I'm sure I'll still use it for testing and writing quick apps, but J++ does basically everything I need. I have access to all my COM objects i've written in ATL, and most of the ActiveX controls VB had access to. It's a dream come true really :D.
That's why I'm not so critical of MS melding java and com together in their JVM, it lets me simply use activex controls/com objects just as if I were in VB.
Basically, VJ++ 6 (can't handle not having intellisense
Now, if Microsoft would just get off their butts and write a Java2 implementation for J++ 7....
I think there's a memory leak in the Winsock control :). MS recommends you create a pool of controls, and never unload them (unload-reload-unload-reload is bad :)).
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:|
If i was going to write anything client-server i'd use java now days. Takes a few minutes to write a multithreaded server. I only wish Java's Socket classes had a bit more meat on them. Yeesh, there's almost nothing to them
works for most things, but come on!
There isn't even a handy isConnected() method
rewrite the interface for CE (it's not hard)...or have the CE machine run the PalmOS edmulator full time, you can switch over whenever you need more power like sound, video etc.
It's not very hard to replace the CE shell
Well duh, isn't that what I said. It'll have some initial effect, but it doesn't matter in the long run.
Consider what would happen if you put a big, really huge, over sized, canon in a small rowboat. What happens if you fire it? The boat sinks...
I think that's pretty much the same thing as trying to play toothpicks.
Leave it up to religious types to always make these really cool stories - and then lose all logic when trying to relate them with reality. eg. "Blah1 is good, blah2 is good, god is good, therefore god must exist and he must be the exact same god that exists in our version of the bible".
It won't be possible to know the long term effects unless we try it. If we didn't try ANYTHING at all, we wouldn't be where we are at now. Obviously it'll have some effect if we repopulate northern europe with mammoths - but then that would have happened anyway if the mommoths weren't killed off.
Lets say that species1 dies, species 2 gets an advantage and multiplies heaps. If species1 is reintroduced thru cloning, people would complain that species2's population would decline. But species2's population would have always been that low had species1 not died.
Ofcourse, species1 did die, but then, the point is it really doesn't make much of an impact on the whole....in the long term.