"And conversely, we have had issues go through RedHat that went nowhere because the maintainer was not contactable and RedHat seemingly didnt know what to do about it"
What was the name of the package, in my case it was mpeg4ip. It did actually say on the support forum not to contact the developers directly. I guess that's where I should have tried for an answer first. Does your package have a support forum? It's odd that RedHat didn't seem to be able to help considering you had a support contract.
Conversly to that I once sold a Windows box and a £2,000 CAD package to a kitchen design outfit, the CAD app used to freeze on rendering (error in DLL bla, bla, bla). Microsoft told me it was the CAD developers fault and the CAD people told me it was Windows fault. The 'Dave' in India couldn't understand English..:)
"if you've got enough money you can persuade the company to get the guy who wrote the code to stop what (s)he was doing, and fix it, right now.. What I am trying to say is the "Linux" support (where Linux is a distribution) is not really a thing that is possible in the traditional sense"
Speaking from personal experience, I have contacted a lead programmer directly and got back a reply within a day. I've even had a response from Linus Torvalds, didn't cost me a penny. Can't say I've ever had the same response in WindowsLand.
"The *entire* point to this being a problem is a *process* problem not a *code* problem. It is a methodology. Technically, it is actually patentable in the USA"
Does that mean if MS produces a fix, I can sue Microsoft for violating my patented methodology..:)
I do wonder how bsdUnix or Linux would fare if they were on machines connected to the Internet, were subject to the same kind of intense scrutiny by researchers as Windows, and provided the same incentives to hackers as Windows.
"The presenters demonstrated clever ways to get around many of these protections, but by showing how tricky it was to do so, they actually showed how effective the protections are against applications other than web browsers, jesser
Given that dotNET is supposed to run in the context of 'browsers' it can hardly be much worse. security totally compromised by a badly written plugin..:)
"the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399"
Why is this, does it cost more to ship it to Europe or is it we're supposed to subsidise the US market?
Mr. TROLL: please define your terms ..
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"True...and how about that guy who invented the carburetor that could get a hundred miles to the gallon? The oil industry "took care" of the problem!"
Where did Preston Tucker ever claim his car could get a hundred miles to the gallon?
"Subject to Change is a book, written by four Adaptive Path veterans describing new approaches to product development and innovation"
Product development never leads or encourages 'innovation', as it has to go by what's already in the market place, as such it is reactive and retrograde. For instance adding email, music and a camera to a mobile phone could never be called innovative.
please define your terms ..
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Most companies don't innovate as anything new is liable to disrupt the market. That's why the auto industry accted to supress Preston Tucker, and the PC industry acted to suppress the netPC and any othere embedded devices that would challenge their monopoly..
".NET Framework (The concept of the CLR for multiple languages.."
A virtual machine + a cross-compiler + an interpreted mode, like in BASIC..
".Visual Studio.. IDE out there.."
Yea, it's an IDE with losts of pre-fabricated bits, great for RAD development, as long as you don't know what you're doing. God forbid you actually have to look at the code..
".Exchange.."
A GUI email + collaboration client, I don't use it, I've seen the staff use it, they're so busy updating their little boxes that they don't have time to do any real work..:)
"OOo was always basically a clone of Microsoft Office, even back when it was a closed-source app called Star Office. It was the only way to get anyone to use it"
It's amazing that OOo managed to clone msOffice as it didn't exist yet. More accuratly Ooo was developed from StarOffice at a time when Microsoft was still innovating WordPerfect into Microsoft Word. MS withheld technical information (on the Windows from WP developers until msWord on Windows was already in the shops. Up to a years lead time if I recall correctly..
What impact will it have on the market having available an IBM PC preloaded with Linux. Is it not an endorsement of Linux and and encouragement for businesses to try it out. After all it is IBM, the originators of the Personal Computer. Doesn't it also tell us what IBM thinks of the SCO case. After all the Lawyers must have been all over the case.
How will this impact on Microsofts' bottom line. I would imagine that such news is of note in Redmond. I mean, if it's a sucess, won't the rest of the OEMs follow?
"we know everything, we make no mistakes, we are the computer industry, when it goes wrong, it is everybody else's fault, they stole it from us"
How soon, if ever are the OEMs going to wake up a realise they own the desktop market. They could dispense with Microsoft tomorrow and the endusers wouldn't even notice.
"Our business model has been based upon customers paying a fee to license software that we develop and distribute.. Certain "open source" software business models challenge our license-based software model..."
I do believe MS has been drinking too much of its own koolaid. If they really believe this then they are only deluding themselves. That their current business model is under attack is a given, but not from the Open Source sector. I mean how many times can you sell the same GUI, web browser and email client to the same people. The only real innovation they do is making each new version of Windows more bloated than the previous version, forcing the endusers to buy a new computer year after year. They also manage to make their older formats incompatible with the 'newer' software. That you see the writing on the wall is evident in your "software as a service" sector.
The WinTEL PC is obsolete and people would have moved onto smaller embedded Internet aware devices if it wasn't for your repeated actions in stifling the market. Twenty years of CrapWare. That a bunch of hobbyists working in their garage can produce applications that equal anything Microsoft has produced tells us just how lacking in the innovation department you really are. Anything you ever produced you only ever leeched of the academic sector.
'what are the best methods for creating a test environment where I can analyze apps for security vulnerabilities. We're a multi-platform shop, but my main concern is with Windows apps..'
You can't test for security vulns, especially in a Windows environment, as there is so many interlocking components that behave differently depending on the configuration. Introducing a service pack into a previously 'secure' environment and all bets are off. All you can do is patch, patch patch...
You could also intalss a second intrusion detection system that monitors the first for unauthorized access and keeps a full audit of access alterations etc. You could also compartmentalize your system so as a breech in a web service doesn't automatically lead to a total system compromise.
'"Lulz" is how trolls keep score. A corruption of "LOL" or "laugh out loud," "lulz" means the joy of disrupting another's emotional equilibrium'
How do you explain this paticular troll in terms of Lulzing. This is someone who has been trolling comp.os.linux.advocacy for over a *decade*, over eight thousand posts since January of this year alone, not to mention its various other aliases.
"if you are not running the Microsoft-approved Microsoft-trusted boot loader.. The Trust chip (the TPM) will then refuse to give you your key to unlock your own hard drive"
It's not as if this was designed behavour. But what does the Microsoft Linux Lab have to say on the subject, do they have a workround?
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'BTW, my name is not Mr. TROLL, it's Mr. SARCASM. But you can call me "Hardcase"'
.. :)
How about Mr. Strawman instead
"And conversely, we have had issues go through RedHat that went nowhere because the maintainer was not contactable and RedHat seemingly didnt know what to do about it"
.. :)
What was the name of the package, in my case it was mpeg4ip. It did actually say on the support forum not to contact the developers directly. I guess that's where I should have tried for an answer first. Does your package have a support forum? It's odd that RedHat didn't seem to be able to help considering you had a support contract.
Conversly to that I once sold a Windows box and a £2,000 CAD package to a kitchen design outfit, the CAD app used to freeze on rendering (error in DLL bla, bla, bla). Microsoft told me it was the CAD developers fault and the CAD people told me it was Windows fault. The 'Dave' in India couldn't understand English
"if you've got enough money you can persuade the company to get the guy who wrote the code to stop what (s)he was doing, and fix it, right now .. What I am trying to say is the "Linux" support (where Linux is a distribution) is not really a thing that is possible in the traditional sense"
Speaking from personal experience, I have contacted a lead programmer directly and got back a reply within a day. I've even had a response from Linus Torvalds, didn't cost me a penny. Can't say I've ever had the same response in WindowsLand.
"The *entire* point to this being a problem is a *process* problem not a *code* problem. It is a methodology. Technically, it is actually patentable in the USA"
.. :)
Does that mean if MS produces a fix, I can sue Microsoft for violating my patented methodology
"I'd just like to point out that out-of-the-box IE is in a sandbox in Vista"
..
Trouble is, the sandbox is full of holes
"the new methods they've found to get around Vista protections such as Address Space Layout Randomization(ASLR), Data Execution Prevention (DEP)"
I do wonder how bsdUnix or Linux would fare if they were on machines connected to the Internet, were subject to the same kind of intense scrutiny by researchers as Windows, and provided the same incentives to hackers as Windows.
"The presenters demonstrated clever ways to get around many of these protections, but by showing how tricky it was to do so, they actually showed how effective the protections are against applications other than web browsers, jesser
.. :)
Given that dotNET is supposed to run in the context of 'browsers' it can hardly be much worse. security totally compromised by a badly written plugin
Web Browser Applications
What OS do these voting machines run on and who wrote the software ?
"the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399"
Why is this, does it cost more to ship it to Europe or is it we're supposed to subsidise the US market?
"True...and how about that guy who invented the carburetor that could get a hundred miles to the gallon? The oil industry "took care" of the problem!"
Where did Preston Tucker ever claim his car could get a hundred miles to the gallon?
"Subject to Change is a book, written by four Adaptive Path veterans describing new approaches to product development and innovation"
Product development never leads or encourages 'innovation', as it has to go by what's already in the market place, as such it is reactive and retrograde. For instance adding email, music and a camera to a mobile phone could never be called innovative.
Most companies don't innovate as anything new is liable to disrupt the market. That's why the auto industry accted to supress Preston Tucker, and the PC industry acted to suppress the netPC and any othere embedded devices that would challenge their monopoly ..
".NET Framework (The concept of the CLR for multiple languages .."
..
.. IDE out there .."
..
.."
.. :)
A virtual machine + a cross-compiler + an interpreted mode, like in BASIC
".Visual Studio
Yea, it's an IDE with losts of pre-fabricated bits, great for RAD development, as long as you don't know what you're doing. God forbid you actually have to look at the code
".Exchange
A GUI email + collaboration client, I don't use it, I've seen the staff use it, they're so busy updating their little boxes that they don't have time to do any real work
"OOo was always basically a clone of Microsoft Office, even back when it was a closed-source app called Star Office. It was the only way to get anyone to use it"
..
It's amazing that OOo managed to clone msOffice as it didn't exist yet. More accuratly Ooo was developed from StarOffice at a time when Microsoft was still innovating WordPerfect into Microsoft Word. MS withheld technical information (on the Windows from WP developers until msWord on Windows was already in the shops. Up to a years lead time if I recall correctly
"I used to work for IBM and I've worked at several places that used notes and God I hated it. The icons on the menu bar are totally useless"
What did the developers say when you told them this?
What impact will it have on the market having available an IBM PC preloaded with Linux. Is it not an endorsement of Linux and and encouragement for businesses to try it out. After all it is IBM, the originators of the Personal Computer. Doesn't it also tell us what IBM thinks of the SCO case. After all the Lawyers must have been all over the case.
How will this impact on Microsofts' bottom line. I would imagine that such news is of note in Redmond. I mean, if it's a sucess, won't the rest of the OEMs follow?
Is there anyone here who actually uses Notes in a business environment and likes it?
"we know everything, we make no mistakes, we are the computer industry, when it goes wrong, it is everybody else's fault, they stole it from us"
How soon, if ever are the OEMs going to wake up a realise they own the desktop market. They could dispense with Microsoft tomorrow and the endusers wouldn't even notice.
"Our business model has been based upon customers paying a fee to license software that we develop and distribute .. Certain "open source" software business models challenge our license-based software model..."
I do believe MS has been drinking too much of its own koolaid. If they really believe this then they are only deluding themselves. That their current business model is under attack is a given, but not from the Open Source sector. I mean how many times can you sell the same GUI, web browser and email client to the same people. The only real innovation they do is making each new version of Windows more bloated than the previous version, forcing the endusers to buy a new computer year after year. They also manage to make their older formats incompatible with the 'newer' software. That you see the writing on the wall is evident in your "software as a service" sector.
The WinTEL PC is obsolete and people would have moved onto smaller embedded Internet aware devices if it wasn't for your repeated actions in stifling the market. Twenty years of CrapWare. That a bunch of hobbyists working in their garage can produce applications that equal anything Microsoft has produced tells us just how lacking in the innovation department you really are. Anything you ever produced you only ever leeched of the academic sector.
"Ringo Kamens writes to ask if the use of Hushmail can still be considered a secure method of communication"
.. :)
No, it's most probably controlled by one of the brancges of the security services
"Based on its breakthrough binary analysis technology"
Why don't they put this 'technology' in Windows ? Or how about designing a compiler that don't allow insecure code?
'what are the best methods for creating a test environment where I can analyze apps for security vulnerabilities. We're a multi-platform shop, but my main concern is with Windows apps..'
...
You can't test for security vulns, especially in a Windows environment, as there is so many interlocking components that behave differently depending on the configuration. Introducing a service pack into a previously 'secure' environment and all bets are off. All you can do is patch, patch patch
You could also intalss a second intrusion detection system that monitors the first for unauthorized access and keeps a full audit of access alterations etc. You could also compartmentalize your system so as a breech in a web service doesn't automatically lead to a total system compromise.
'"Lulz" is how trolls keep score. A corruption of "LOL" or "laugh out loud," "lulz" means the joy of disrupting another's emotional equilibrium'
How do you explain this paticular troll in terms of Lulzing. This is someone who has been trolling comp.os.linux.advocacy for over a *decade*, over eight thousand posts since January of this year alone, not to mention its various other aliases.
"if you are not running the Microsoft-approved Microsoft-trusted boot loader .. The Trust chip (the TPM) will then refuse to give you your key to unlock your own hard drive"
It's not as if this was designed behavour. But what does the Microsoft Linux Lab have to say on the subject, do they have a workround?
:)... wha ....