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Take a stroll through DU [democratic...ground.com] to see just how crazed and freakish your side is.
Says the person whose "side" stands for illegal torture and murder camps, Big Brother unconstitutional wiretaps, and making up stupid easily blown lies in order to start a war to make a few traitors rich by robbing the rest of the country.
Yeah, Sparky. You're really a good and moral person. This idiotic Republican strategy of attacking the "other side" constantly while they are far and away he most corrupt institution in the history of the country really gets tiring. At least it does hilight the extreme level of delusion that is an absolute requirement for supporting your party.
The Democrats suck ass, but think what that proves about you when you're supporting something which has proven to be so far worse in every way.
Even better, if no candidate gets a positive vote total, throw them all out and hold a new election that none of those candidates are allowed to run in.
Even better. Those candidates' parties can't enter another candidate.
The only non-negligible contenders to the Repunazi Party, the Commiecrats, are as bad or perhaps even worse. They're even more corrupt,
What a bunch of idiotic crap. I'm hardly one to defend the Democrats, but the idea that they are worse than the Republicans is complete and utter lunacy. The idea that they are more corrupt shows that you have completely lost your grip on reality.
I mean seriously where to begin trying to explain something this simple and obvious to somebody as out of touch with reality as you are......
Yeah, you go on believing that the party that's made up almost entirely of 3 ( not necessarily distinct) groups the very rich: psuedo Christian extremists, and racists who openly support the destruction of our society and our way of life in order to institute a fascist theocracy, run concentration camps, is openly instituting big brother tactics, openly fans the flames of ignorant hatred, and starts wars to enrich a very few of its members at the expense of the rest of the nation and the world, is *less* corrupt.
Sorry, but the Democrats havve too diverse of a base to be organized enough to march in tight enough of a lockstep to accomplish the level of treason and corruption that the Republicans are currently wallowing in.
although the Republicans really went forward in this department during the last few years).
They've been leading the pack and pulling away since Reagan at least. Oh yeah, torture camps, murdering democratically elected leaders and funding terrorism doesn't count in your mystical fairy land.
I wasn't making a legal case. I still believe that it is theft;
Then you are still wrong. 100% absolutely wrong. Seriously, if you are going to base your entire viewpoint on a "belief" that is demonstrably false, then why would any reasonable person lend any credence whatsoever to what you have to say? You've already demonstrated that you don't know what the word means, that you don't care what it means, and that you have a complete and total disregard for the facts of the matter.
Sorry, but mindless belief in nonsense is one of the primary problems with a society like ours which is based on the requirement that the public be informed. Your efforts to disinform the public have no possible positive outcome. Please don't bother trying to claim that this isn't what you are doing. Idiotic lies like that get very tiresome.
The concept is pretty much the same.
If that were true, then there wouldn't be entirely different classes of laws that apply to them. Again, your "beliefs" are meaningless, and in this case they are *wrong* It isn't a question of a difference of opinion, or a religious belief where the truth is unknowable by design. You are wrong on every level and in every conceivable way.
A highly restrictive format will lose to a freer format, and don't think that format wars won't happen just because something dominates the market.
They won't happen because lots of bribes are pouring into congress to outlaw them. That simple fact is the primary reaqson so many people are pissed off by the whole DRM deal.
You keep bringing up "free markets" and the like while ignoring the fact that this has nothing at all to do with "free markets" it has to do with a few markets controlled by cartels which exist solely through government intervention. Nothing involving copyright or DRM has a damn thing to do with a free market.
So, no, there will be no format wars because it will be a charge of terrorism against anybody trying to start one with the citizens' interests in mind.
You seem to think that "the market" consists of other people selling their goods at a price you expect. That's not how it works. If the market thinks that most music CDs are too expensive to justify the selection and the convenience, then the market will respond by turning to other alternatives.
If your understanding of market economics is so poor that you're trying to apply free market principles to an arena which is dominated by a cartel and which exists in its current form solely due to a government granted monopoly you really shouldn't try to tell people "how it works". You clearly don't have even a vague understanding of the subject.
I tried making a symlink to "smb://myserver/pictures" in hopes that digiKam would attempt to resolve the link itself (and use the appropriate KIOslave to open it), but that didn't seem to work.
You could just set that partition to mount automatically and then symlink it. If it unmounts, then you'll just have an empty directory. Maybe you have some reason you don't want to do this though.
The weather is ideal in Silicon Valley since it is not cold like the North but not hot like San Diego.
Says somebody who has either never been to San Diego, or only stuck to the east end of the county in the middle of the summer. Hot tip: El Cajon isn't San Diego.
I'm not really sure how to get it back but my approach right now is to vote against any incumbent regardless of party to make a statement that this is unacceptable.
Absolutely. I've been doing this ever since I turned 18 oh those many years ago. I'd say give Russ Feingold a pass if you're in his district, but other than him, no member of either house has demonstrated any integrity in years.
I have to question in what way he (Bush) benefitted,
You've thrown out a lot of credibility with this. You're either pretty much totally uninformed about anything that's been going on in this country since 2000 or you're an apologist. That obviously doesn't lend any credence to any of the particular theories running around, but the one thing that's 100% certain is that the administration had motive in spades.
The primary goal of this administration since prior to the 2000 election was invading Iraq. They stated flat out that to convince the American people to do it, they would require a Pearl Harbor level event.
Also, given the facts coming out at the time about the stolen election in 2000 and the low approval level of the administration, it's quite obvious to anybody that 9/11 was the greatest gift the administration could have ever gotten.
So like I said, all this proves is motive. However all I'm doing is pointing out how completely out of touch with reality you look when you "have to question in what way he (Bush) benefitted" when the motive is clear and obvious and has been for years.
But seriously, the government would never do such a thing because they would never get away with it!
Actually it's possible that they could as long as there are people to whom logic is totally foreign. These would be people like yourself as demonstrated in that sentence.
Calling all Republicans fascists, "Hitler supporters, or "people who believe that the rich are better than the poor" is ridiculous.
No, it isn't. They can claim whatever crazy nonsense they want to, but actions speak louder than words. The Republican party is all about promoting the rich, fascism and theocracy. That's it. Name one other thing they stand for, not just things they claim to believe.
Liberalism in the true sense is the same as libertarianism and is generally considered more right wing, but is really neither.
Which is what I said, except I still call Liberalism what it is as it's the basis of this nation and it's still called that in the rest of the world. Libertarian is also a political party which makes it less useful of a word.
Conservatism supports greater social regulation and less economic regulation. When they "decry" liberalism they are referring to the modern American ideology of that name.
Keep telling yourself that, but again actions speak louder than words because there is no basis for what you're saying. They seek great economic and social control of the masses and little or none for the elite. Why do you suppose they are such huge fans of taking money from the general public and giving it to rich corporations who are already raking in record profits? That's called fascism. That's what American conservatives support. Also blind rabid hatred of gays. Can't forget that.
Neither are against individualism entirely.
In fact they both are. If you honestly believe what you said, why don't you demonstrate some time in recent memory when either party reduced government control over the individual?
Conservatives believe one should take care of oneself financially, but should follow certain social restrictions.
Wrong! Conservatives pay lip service to that idea. For the most part they want to take money away from productive members of society to support their lifestyles and then whine about how the people paying their bills are evil. Again, actions speak louder than words. Look at which areas of the country pay taxes and which ones receive the money the others paid.
Fox News may be a little biased, but it is a close to centrist as any news agency. It is generally considered conservative because it sometimes does not show complete and utter opposition to the president.
You're clearly trolling now. Fox is an extremist right wing propaganda machine. Read up on it, read up on Rupert Murdoch, look at the fact that people who get the majority of their news from fox are the most poorly informed of our nation according to multiple studies. Fox is gung ho pro fascism at every opportunity. The only time they present any other view, they just shout it down and turn off people's mikes. Please.
Just because you disagree with someone does not make them evil.
Never said it did and that has nothing to do with the subject. What does make someone evil is supporting fascism, illegal torture camps, oppressive big brother government and blind rabid hatred of the "other" to promote political agendas. All of those things are what the Republican party stands for. If you voted for Bush, then all of those things are your fault, and you are an evil person for causing them to happen.
Big difference. Again, actions speak louder than words. That's the big lesson Republicans really need to learn.
If our party is going to have any credibility going forward, it will be because a few of us recognize that Bush and his followers have betrayed this nation.
I appreciate your sentiment, and it is very refreshing to hear any Republican break their lock step goose stepping long enough to say anything with even a scrap of honesty, but you're really not even close to going far enough.
First, the Republican party will never have *any* integrity again. For the;ast 30 years they have been showing their true colors. This is the most corrupt administration and congress in the history of our nation by a long shot. There is no coming back from that. You need to face the fact that the Republican party of small government, fiscal responsibility and state's rights has been dead as a doornail for at least 30 years. That's generously assuming that those things were ever anything but lies. With the takeover of the Christofascists spearheaded by Reagan, any scraps of integrity that party once may have had are absolutely and completely gone.
It's way past time for a new party anyhow.
Also, your recognition didn't go far enough. It's all well and good to admit that this administration has betrayed this nation when it's obvious to everybody, but you do not get off that easy. It was obvious who and what these people were long before the 2000 election. The fact that you refused to do your duty to be an informed citizen before the election is why we are here right now. Bush could not have done any of this without lots of people actively aiding and abetting him in his treason. What you need to do if you ever want to have any respectability, honor, or integrity ever agin is take a long hard look at yourself and admit that *you* betrayed your country as well. Your actions are arguably even worse than Bush's, for if you and others like you had done *anything* to inform yourself then he never would have been given the opportunity to do what he has done. Claiming you were misled doesn't cut it either. His lies were transparant from the start to anybody who was actually looking rather than merely voting based on faith in a prty that betrayed its ideals decades ago.
Until a lot of Republicans have the courage and integrity to point the finger at themselves, nothing will change on their side but I don't forsee that happenning. They are the party who most despises personal responsibility at least as applied to themselves.
Reagan was a great President and a great man, but he left us with two very negative legacies. One was the alliance with the Christian Extreme Right. The other was allowing "shadow government" operatives to run loose in his administration, which lead to the Iran/Contra scandal. Regarding the later, Reagan accepted responsibility and apologized to America on national TV, a sign of his greatness that he could admit mistakes.
That demonstrates the caustic power of a cult of personality. Reagan's legacy *is* torture camps in Central America, Iran Contra, Christofascism, and the funding and training of the exact same terrorists we're now "at war" with. You really need to wake up and realise that this absolutely makes Reagan a horrible president. Shrub's abuses are just taking Reagan's legacy one step further. You're giving him credit for apologising?!?! Then why the fuck did he then pardon the traitors involved who made their triumphant return under Shrub with Total information awareness.
Seriously, you need to take a step back, take a long hard look at yourself and your entirely faith based belief in Reagan. His administration is the point at which the old school Republican beliefs were totally and completely rejected in favor of support for fascist theocracy. Maintaining your completely contradictory belief that Reagan was anything but a horrible president (or drooling imbecile as the case may be) will only lead you to blindly swallow the lies some other politician sells you. You need to recognize the Republican party for what it is and has been for the last 30 years. What it once was is long dead and the stinking corpse is all that is left.
If any of the other GOP hopefuls get the nomination, I'll back them wholeheartedly.)
Fool you 3 times and you're begging to get fooled again. Look, everybody who was paying attention knew what would happen if Bush was elected in 2000. The same exact things will continue even worse under *any* other Republican. That is what that party stands for, and it is *all* that that party stands for. Pretending a different Republican would be different is totally delusional. It's your duty as a citizen to recognize that simple obvious 30+ year old fact.
I'm certainly not saying the Democrats are any prize, but be realistic. The Republican party has 2 and only 2 groups it supports. The ultra rich, and psuedo Christian extremists. If you vote Republican then you *are* voting for that. Pretending otherwise and claiming you were fooled or misled does nothing to address *your* failing as a citizen. Were you willing to take your responsibilities seriously, then you would have known what a vote for Bush would lead to. Doing the same thing again is quite simply inexcusable.
There is no Republican in any position in the United States government that desires a "theocratic fascist police state" or who deserves to die. Hyperbole is not a suitable substitute for argument.
What color is the air on your planet? Fascism has been the goal of the Republican party since prior to WW2. Their primary supporters are crazed religious zealots who do want theocracy and have stated as much.
Name one thing other than theocracy, fascism and a police state that Republicans stand for. Keep in mind, Sparky, that tired old used up lies with no basis in reality do not count. These include small government, fiscal responsibility, state's rights among many other discarded ideals.
Bush and his entire administration absolutely deserve to die. For multiple acts of treason. Are you denying their entire reign, or are you truly that detached from reality as to believe everything they say? Are you really so scared of the big bad terrorists and faggots that you want to piss away your rights and mine? Go ahead and piss away yours. Move to Saudi Arabia or something. When you piss away mine because you ain't brave enough to be free it really pisses me off, Sparky.
Sure, they may wish for the government to act on some biblical principles, including not killing and not stealing, and they may want greater national security, but your claims are ridiculous.
Oh, I see. You're a raging delusional moonbat loon.
Not killing and stealing were laws long before these particular theocratic loons or even the particular religion they're desecrating existed. So obviously, that is entirely irrelevant to the point now, isn't it? Also given that they are doing a lot of stealing and killing, the fact that you would pick those in particular is really pretty insane.
They want greater security from the people of this nation, certainly as that is all they have worked towatrd as evidenced by the rash of illegal surveillance of the citizenry we've seen.
So please, at least try to sound sane next time. Don't spout bullshit a ten year old could rip apart. Seriously
Wow. Your reply is only really funny seeing what you said in the rest of this thread.
I'm not defending Republicans. I can't stand them or the Democrats. I just laugh at how the game is played, and how people get so caught up in the details when the truth of the complicity is so obvious. I can see the evidence of it right in your post. You're so caught up in the game it's like you can't even see it's being played.
But before you said all that you said to me:
Yeah, go on believing that while you serve the same masters from the other side of the aisle. Go on believing there are significant differences because you like some detail or another better. Please, continue to be fooled that it's only the Republicans that are the problem.
Now, as soon as you can point to where I said the Democrats were good, then you will have won the grand prize of not being a hypocritical ass.
Ok, maybe we can agree on it being the "real existing Communism".
After all, what went down in eastern Europe was quite far from the ideas of Marx either.
What we got to know as "Communism" was actually what you described. And authoritarian, fascist regime. Without religion, though. Well, kinda. God was replaced with Stalin.
No, we absolutely can't agree on that because while they are both big oppressive government in practice, they are fundamentally different on a number of levels. It is also impossible to agree to that because to do so would be to ignore the entire history that has gotten us here.
They are fundamentally different in that one is an extreme leftist idea and the other is extremist right wing. It is important to understand what the left and the right actually are *and* what it is that they are to the laft or the right *of*.
Liberalism is the idea the individual liberty is great. The philosophy can be loosly summed up in one sentence: "We hold this truth to be self evident: that all men are created equal." Sounds familiar, huh? That's because America was the crowning achievement of the Liberal movement. Keep that in mind when you hear politicians and pundits decrying Liberalism. What they despise more than anything is America and what it once stood for.
The left and the right are defined by their relation to Liberalism. The left agrees with the fundamental tenet of Liberalism, but they feel that the power of the state should be used against the individual to promote this ideal. This can run the gamut from things like banning slavery, which is an entirely leftist idea but one that most people agree with wholeheartedly in this day and age to the extremes of Lenin/Stalin.
The right is defined by the fact that it fundamentaly disagrees that all people are created equal. The right believes that the rich are better than the poor and that the power of the state should be used to maintain this power inequality. That's why a right wing party is always a party of the extremely rich.
Now, to the person sitting in the gulag being tortured it isn't really important exactly what the reasoning that put him there is, but by attempting to equate them you ignore the fundamental differences and you throw out much important information necessary for any sort of reasonable discussion of the issue.
As far as the history goes, by agreeing to call things entirely different things than they are as you suggest, then we would have to throw out the last 70 or so years of history since the struggle between those 2 ideologies is the defining factor of that entire period. Prior to World War 2, the left in America (back when there was one) was anti-Hitler. The center (most Americans) were isolationist and had no real concern about it. The right were 100% gung ho rabid supporters of Hitler. This includes people like Henry Ford, and other industrialists as well as Prescott Bush who is the grandfather of the current president. Good ol W's graddad was such a huge supporter of Hitler that he commited treason by helping fund Germany while we were at war with them. He narrowly managed to avoid execution for treason due to the power of his friends. After FDR managed to help manipulate us into WW2, the right in America kept quiet about their fascist beliefs while we were at war.
From the end of WW2 to the present day, they have been working nonstop to destroy any hint of leftism in America and they declared all out war on individual liberty i.e. Liberalism. That's why it is used as the most vitriolic epithet by fascists like Fox news, Rush, Republican politicians and the like.
They despise individual liberty because they want to use the power of the state to make the rich richer, the poor poorer and destroy the middle class as is evident in pretty much everything the Republican party has done since Reagan. This includes torture academies, murder of democratically elected leaders to install brutal thugs, and the funding and training of the current crop of t
No, but the Republicans are on the same side as the terrorists. They are both in an all out war on freedom. This kind of sickening cowardly shit trying to interfere with justice to defend their treasonous actions is absolutely standard Republican behavior at this point.
Every day my sig gets more and more justified for anybody with a scrap of integrity, a scrap of human decency or a scrap of love for the founding principles of this country.
When your dog goes rabid and trys to murder you and your family you put it down. Same goes for Republicans at this point in the game.
Anybody who trys to claim that the republicans stand for anything besides a theocratic fascist police state is a lying sack of shit and the world absolutely would be a better place with them dead.
The downside is that empire building would be the best way of improving their income. Oh well, the current system is pretty screwed and all systems have problems so there's no saying that would be worse than what we have now and it would certainly be an improvement on some levels.
With that said, I do approve of some corporate responsibility. Here is my suggested model for improving the problem: You should be able to make no more money than the people for whom you are directly responsible.
I'm not sure if you left out a word or two here or if I'm just totally missing what you're saying, but wouldn't this mean that *everybody* at a given company would be paid exactly the same?
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Take a stroll through DU [democratic...ground.com] to see just how crazed and freakish your side is.
Says the person whose "side" stands for illegal torture and murder camps, Big Brother unconstitutional wiretaps, and making up stupid easily blown lies in order to start a war to make a few traitors rich by robbing the rest of the country.
Yeah, Sparky. You're really a good and moral person.
This idiotic Republican strategy of attacking the "other side" constantly while they are far and away he most corrupt institution in the history of the country really gets tiring.
At least it does hilight the extreme level of delusion that is an absolute requirement for supporting your party.
The Democrats suck ass, but think what that proves about you when you're supporting something which has proven to be so far worse in every way.
Even better, if no candidate gets a positive vote total, throw them all out and hold a new election that none of those candidates are allowed to run in.
Even better. Those candidates' parties can't enter another candidate.
The only non-negligible contenders to the Repunazi Party, the Commiecrats, are as bad or perhaps even worse. They're even more corrupt,
What a bunch of idiotic crap.
I'm hardly one to defend the Democrats, but the idea that they are worse than the Republicans is complete and utter lunacy.
The idea that they are more corrupt shows that you have completely lost your grip on reality.
I mean seriously where to begin trying to explain something this simple and obvious to somebody as out of touch with reality as you are......
Yeah, you go on believing that the party that's made up almost entirely of 3 ( not necessarily distinct) groups the very rich: psuedo Christian extremists, and racists who openly support the destruction of our society and our way of life in order to institute a fascist theocracy, run concentration camps, is openly instituting big brother tactics, openly fans the flames of ignorant hatred, and starts wars to enrich a very few of its members at the expense of the rest of the nation and the world, is *less* corrupt.
Sorry, but the Democrats havve too diverse of a base to be organized enough to march in tight enough of a lockstep to accomplish the level of treason and corruption that the Republicans are currently wallowing in.
although the Republicans really went forward in this department during the last few years).
They've been leading the pack and pulling away since Reagan at least. Oh yeah, torture camps, murdering democratically elected leaders and funding terrorism doesn't count in your mystical fairy land.
Please. What color is the air on your planet?
I wasn't making a legal case. I still believe that it is theft;
Then you are still wrong. 100% absolutely wrong. Seriously, if you are going to base your entire viewpoint on a "belief" that is demonstrably false, then why would any reasonable person lend any credence whatsoever to what you have to say? You've already demonstrated that you don't know what the word means, that you don't care what it means, and that you have a complete and total disregard for the facts of the matter.
Sorry, but mindless belief in nonsense is one of the primary problems with a society like ours which is based on the requirement that the public be informed.
Your efforts to disinform the public have no possible positive outcome.
Please don't bother trying to claim that this isn't what you are doing. Idiotic lies like that get very tiresome.
The concept is pretty much the same.
If that were true, then there wouldn't be entirely different classes of laws that apply to them.
Again, your "beliefs" are meaningless, and in this case they are *wrong* It isn't a question of a difference of opinion, or a religious belief where the truth is unknowable by design.
You are wrong on every level and in every conceivable way.
A highly restrictive format will lose to a freer format, and don't think that format wars won't happen just because something dominates the market.
They won't happen because lots of bribes are pouring into congress to outlaw them. That simple fact is the primary reaqson so many people are pissed off by the whole DRM deal.
You keep bringing up "free markets" and the like while ignoring the fact that this has nothing at all to do with "free markets" it has to do with a few markets controlled by cartels which exist solely through government intervention. Nothing involving copyright or DRM has a damn thing to do with a free market.
So, no, there will be no format wars because it will be a charge of terrorism against anybody trying to start one with the citizens' interests in mind.
You seem to think that "the market" consists of other people selling their goods at a price you expect. That's not how it works. If the market thinks that most music CDs are too expensive to justify the selection and the convenience, then the market will respond by turning to other alternatives.
If your understanding of market economics is so poor that you're trying to apply free market principles to an arena which is dominated by a cartel and which exists in its current form solely due to a government granted monopoly you really shouldn't try to tell people "how it works". You clearly don't have even a vague understanding of the subject.
I tried making a symlink to "smb://myserver/pictures" in hopes that digiKam would attempt to resolve the link itself (and use the appropriate KIOslave to open it), but that didn't seem to work.
You could just set that partition to mount automatically and then symlink it. If it unmounts, then you'll just have an empty directory.
Maybe you have some reason you don't want to do this though.
The weather is ideal in Silicon Valley since it is not cold like the North but not hot like San Diego.
Says somebody who has either never been to San Diego, or only stuck to the east end of the county in the middle of the summer. Hot tip: El Cajon isn't San Diego.
I'm not really sure how to get it back but my approach right now is to vote against any incumbent regardless of party to make a statement that this is unacceptable.
Absolutely. I've been doing this ever since I turned 18 oh those many years ago.
I'd say give Russ Feingold a pass if you're in his district, but other than him, no member of either house has demonstrated any integrity in years.
2 WD Raptors will saturate a PCI bus, the NF4 SATA controller runs off of PCIe lanes, which are much faster.
Just don't try this with 64 bit windows, since unless something changed in the last month, NF4 SATA2 controller isn't supported.
Works flawlessly with Gentoo (and presumably other Linuxes) and probably with windows 32 bit.
Come on now, that joke is getting really stale.
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Forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong, but weren't the towers also the first skyscrapers ever to put themselves in the path of passenger jets?
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No, they weren't. The Empire State Building got hit by a B-25
Different type of construction and different type of plane, but that's not what you asked
I have to question in what way he (Bush) benefitted,
You've thrown out a lot of credibility with this. You're either pretty much totally uninformed about anything that's been going on in this country since 2000 or you're an apologist. That obviously doesn't lend any credence to any of the particular theories running around, but the one thing that's 100% certain is that the administration had motive in spades.
The primary goal of this administration since prior to the 2000 election was invading Iraq. They stated flat out that to convince the American people to do it, they would require a Pearl Harbor level event.
Also, given the facts coming out at the time about the stolen election in 2000 and the low approval level of the administration, it's quite obvious to anybody that 9/11 was the greatest gift the administration could have ever gotten.
So like I said, all this proves is motive. However all I'm doing is pointing out how completely out of touch with reality you look when you "have to question in what way he (Bush) benefitted" when the motive is clear and obvious and has been for years.
But seriously, the government would never do such a thing because they would never get away with it!
Actually it's possible that they could as long as there are people to whom logic is totally foreign. These would be people like yourself as demonstrated in that sentence.
I suppose this is probably related to this job ad I got in my email this morning
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I would apply, but I'm happy in my current job. Also, with my well known skills at smooth talking and diplomacy it would be too easy
Calling all Republicans fascists, "Hitler supporters, or "people who believe that the rich are better than the poor" is ridiculous.
No, it isn't. They can claim whatever crazy nonsense they want to, but actions speak louder than words. The Republican party is all about promoting the rich, fascism and theocracy. That's it. Name one other thing they stand for, not just things they claim to believe.
Liberalism in the true sense is the same as libertarianism and is generally considered more right wing, but is really neither.
Which is what I said, except I still call Liberalism what it is as it's the basis of this nation and it's still called that in the rest of the world. Libertarian is also a political party which makes it less useful of a word.
Conservatism supports greater social regulation and less economic regulation. When they "decry" liberalism they are referring to the modern American ideology of that name.
Keep telling yourself that, but again actions speak louder than words because there is no basis for what you're saying. They seek great economic and social control of the masses and little or none for the elite. Why do you suppose they are such huge fans of taking money from the general public and giving it to rich corporations who are already raking in record profits? That's called fascism. That's what American conservatives support. Also blind rabid hatred of gays. Can't forget that.
Neither are against individualism entirely.
In fact they both are. If you honestly believe what you said, why don't you demonstrate some time in recent memory when either party reduced government control over the individual?
Conservatives believe one should take care of oneself financially, but should follow certain social restrictions.
Wrong!
Conservatives pay lip service to that idea. For the most part they want to take money away from productive members of society to support their lifestyles and then whine about how the people paying their bills are evil. Again, actions speak louder than words. Look at which areas of the country pay taxes and which ones receive the money the others paid.
Fox News may be a little biased, but it is a close to centrist as any news agency. It is generally considered conservative because it sometimes does not show complete and utter opposition to the president.
You're clearly trolling now.
Fox is an extremist right wing propaganda machine. Read up on it, read up on Rupert Murdoch, look at the fact that people who get the majority of their news from fox are the most poorly informed of our nation according to multiple studies. Fox is gung ho pro fascism at every opportunity. The only time they present any other view, they just shout it down and turn off people's mikes.
Please.
Just because you disagree with someone does not make them evil.
Never said it did and that has nothing to do with the subject.
What does make someone evil is supporting fascism, illegal torture camps, oppressive big brother government and blind rabid hatred of the "other" to promote political agendas.
All of those things are what the Republican party stands for. If you voted for Bush, then all of those things are your fault, and you are an evil person for causing them to happen.
Big difference. Again, actions speak louder than words.
That's the big lesson Republicans really need to learn.
If our party is going to have any credibility going forward, it will be because a few of us recognize that Bush and his followers have betrayed this nation.
;ast 30 years they have been showing their true colors. This is the most corrupt administration and congress in the history of our nation by a long shot. There is no coming back from that.
I appreciate your sentiment, and it is very refreshing to hear any Republican break their lock step goose stepping long enough to say anything with even a scrap of honesty, but you're really not even close to going far enough.
First, the Republican party will never have *any* integrity again. For the
You need to face the fact that the Republican party of small government, fiscal responsibility and state's rights has been dead as a doornail for at least 30 years. That's generously assuming that those things were ever anything but lies. With the takeover of the Christofascists spearheaded by Reagan, any scraps of integrity that party once may have had are absolutely and completely gone.
It's way past time for a new party anyhow.
Also, your recognition didn't go far enough. It's all well and good to admit that this administration has betrayed this nation when it's obvious to everybody, but you do not get off that easy. It was obvious who and what these people were long before the 2000 election. The fact that you refused to do your duty to be an informed citizen before the election is why we are here right now. Bush could not have done any of this without lots of people actively aiding and abetting him in his treason. What you need to do if you ever want to have any respectability, honor, or integrity ever agin is take a long hard look at yourself and admit that *you* betrayed your country as well. Your actions are arguably even worse than Bush's, for if you and others like you had done *anything* to inform yourself then he never would have been given the opportunity to do what he has done.
Claiming you were misled doesn't cut it either. His lies were transparant from the start to anybody who was actually looking rather than merely voting based on faith in a prty that betrayed its ideals decades ago.
Until a lot of Republicans have the courage and integrity to point the finger at themselves, nothing will change on their side but I don't forsee that happenning. They are the party who most despises personal responsibility at least as applied to themselves.
Reagan was a great President and a great man, but he left us with two very negative legacies. One was the alliance with the Christian Extreme Right. The other was allowing "shadow government" operatives to run loose in his administration, which lead to the Iran/Contra scandal. Regarding the later, Reagan accepted responsibility and apologized to America on national TV, a sign of his greatness that he could admit mistakes.
That demonstrates the caustic power of a cult of personality.
Reagan's legacy *is* torture camps in Central America, Iran Contra, Christofascism, and the funding and training of the exact same terrorists we're now "at war" with. You really need to wake up and realise that this absolutely makes Reagan a horrible president. Shrub's abuses are just taking Reagan's legacy one step further.
You're giving him credit for apologising?!?! Then why the fuck did he then pardon the traitors involved who made their triumphant return under Shrub with Total information awareness.
Seriously, you need to take a step back, take a long hard look at yourself and your entirely faith based belief in Reagan. His administration is the point at which the old school Republican beliefs were totally and completely rejected in favor of support for fascist theocracy.
Maintaining your completely contradictory belief that Reagan was anything but a horrible president (or drooling imbecile as the case may be) will only lead you to blindly swallow the lies some other politician sells you. You need to recognize the Republican party for what it is and has been for the last 30 years. What it once was is long dead and the stinking corpse is all that is left.
If any of the other GOP hopefuls get the nomination, I'll back them wholeheartedly.)
Fool you 3 times and you're begging to get fooled again.
Look, everybody who was paying attention knew what would happen if Bush was elected in 2000. The same exact things will continue even worse under *any* other Republican. That is what that party stands for, and it is *all* that that party stands for. Pretending a different Republican would be different is totally delusional. It's your duty as a citizen to recognize that simple obvious 30+
year old fact.
I'm certainly not saying the Democrats are any prize, but be realistic. The Republican party has 2 and only 2 groups it supports. The ultra rich, and psuedo Christian extremists. If you vote Republican then you *are* voting for that. Pretending otherwise and claiming you were fooled or misled does nothing to address *your* failing as a citizen. Were you willing to take your responsibilities seriously, then you would have known what a vote for Bush would lead to. Doing the same thing again is quite simply inexcusable.
I couldn't keep X from restarting anytime I killed it, so I just did it the old-fashioned way)
Kill xdm (or maybe kdm or gdm depending on your setup). That's generally what provides the graphical login screen and restarts X.
There is no Republican in any position in the United States government that desires a "theocratic fascist police state" or who deserves to die. Hyperbole is not a suitable substitute for argument.
What color is the air on your planet?
Fascism has been the goal of the Republican party since prior to WW2. Their primary supporters are crazed religious zealots who do want theocracy and have stated as much.
Name one thing other than theocracy, fascism and a police state that Republicans stand for. Keep in mind, Sparky, that tired old used up lies with no basis in reality do not count. These include small government, fiscal responsibility, state's rights among many other discarded ideals.
Bush and his entire administration absolutely deserve to die. For multiple acts of treason. Are you denying their entire reign, or are you truly that detached from reality as to believe everything they say?
Are you really so scared of the big bad terrorists and faggots that you want to piss away your rights and mine?
Go ahead and piss away yours. Move to Saudi Arabia or something. When you piss away mine because you ain't brave enough to be free it really pisses me off, Sparky.
Sure, they may wish for the government to act on some biblical principles, including not killing and not stealing, and they may want greater national security, but your claims are ridiculous.
Oh, I see. You're a raging delusional moonbat loon.
Not killing and stealing were laws long before these particular theocratic loons or even the particular religion they're desecrating existed. So obviously, that is entirely irrelevant to the point now, isn't it?
Also given that they are doing a lot of stealing and killing, the fact that you would pick those in particular is really pretty insane.
They want greater security from the people of this nation, certainly as that is all they have worked towatrd as evidenced by the rash of illegal surveillance of the citizenry we've seen.
So please, at least try to sound sane next time. Don't spout bullshit a ten year old could rip apart.
Seriously
Wow. Your reply is only really funny seeing what you said in the rest of this thread.
I'm not defending Republicans. I can't stand them or the Democrats. I just laugh at how the game is played, and how people get so caught up in the details when the truth of the complicity is so obvious. I can see the evidence of it right in your post. You're so caught up in the game it's like you can't even see it's being played.
But before you said all that you said to me:
Yeah, go on believing that while you serve the same masters from the other side of the aisle. Go on believing there are significant differences because you like some detail or another better. Please, continue to be fooled that it's only the Republicans that are the problem.
Now, as soon as you can point to where I said the Democrats were good, then you will have won the grand prize of not being a hypocritical ass.
Ok, maybe we can agree on it being the "real existing Communism".
After all, what went down in eastern Europe was quite far from the ideas of Marx either.
What we got to know as "Communism" was actually what you described. And authoritarian, fascist regime. Without religion, though. Well, kinda. God was replaced with Stalin.
No, we absolutely can't agree on that because while they are both big oppressive government in practice, they are fundamentally different on a number of levels. It is also impossible to agree to that because to do so would be to ignore the entire history that has gotten us here.
They are fundamentally different in that one is an extreme leftist idea and the other is extremist right wing. It is important to understand what the left and the right actually are *and* what it is that they are to the laft or the right *of*.
Liberalism is the idea the individual liberty is great. The philosophy can be loosly summed up in one sentence: "We hold this truth to be self evident: that all men are created equal." Sounds familiar, huh?
That's because America was the crowning achievement of the Liberal movement. Keep that in mind when you hear politicians and pundits decrying Liberalism. What they despise more than anything is America and what it once stood for.
The left and the right are defined by their relation to Liberalism. The left agrees with the fundamental tenet of Liberalism, but they feel that the power of the state should be used against the individual to promote this ideal. This can run the gamut from things like banning slavery, which is an entirely leftist idea but one that most people agree with wholeheartedly in this day and age to the extremes of Lenin/Stalin.
The right is defined by the fact that it fundamentaly disagrees that all people are created equal. The right believes that the rich are better than the poor and that the power of the state should be used to maintain this power inequality. That's why a right wing party is always a party of the extremely rich.
Now, to the person sitting in the gulag being tortured it isn't really important exactly what the reasoning that put him there is, but by attempting to equate them you ignore the fundamental differences and you throw out much important information necessary for any sort of reasonable discussion of the issue.
As far as the history goes, by agreeing to call things entirely different things than they are as you suggest, then we would have to throw out the last 70 or so years of history since the struggle between those 2 ideologies is the defining factor of that entire period.
Prior to World War 2, the left in America (back when there was one) was anti-Hitler. The center (most Americans) were isolationist and had no real concern about it.
The right were 100% gung ho rabid supporters of Hitler. This includes people like Henry Ford, and other industrialists as well as Prescott Bush who is the grandfather of the current president. Good ol W's graddad was such a huge supporter of Hitler that he commited treason by helping fund Germany while we were at war with them. He narrowly managed to avoid execution for treason due to the power of his friends. After FDR managed to help manipulate us into WW2, the right in America kept quiet about their fascist beliefs while we were at war.
From the end of WW2 to the present day, they have been working nonstop to destroy any hint of leftism in America and they declared all out war on individual liberty i.e. Liberalism. That's why it is used as the most vitriolic epithet by fascists like Fox news, Rush, Republican politicians and the like.
They despise individual liberty because they want to use the power of the state to make the rich richer, the poor poorer and destroy the middle class as is evident in pretty much everything the Republican party has done since Reagan. This includes torture academies, murder of democratically elected leaders to install brutal thugs, and the funding and training of the current crop of t
Or did you think this was a war on republicans?
No, but the Republicans are on the same side as the terrorists. They are both in an all out war on freedom.
This kind of sickening cowardly shit trying to interfere with justice to defend their treasonous actions is absolutely standard Republican behavior at this point.
Every day my sig gets more and more justified for anybody with a scrap of integrity, a scrap of human decency or a scrap of love for the founding principles of this country.
When your dog goes rabid and trys to murder you and your family you put it down.
Same goes for Republicans at this point in the game.
Anybody who trys to claim that the republicans stand for anything besides a theocratic fascist police state is a lying sack of shit and the world absolutely would be a better place with them dead.
Ahhh, makes much more sense now.
The downside is that empire building would be the best way of improving their income.
Oh well, the current system is pretty screwed and all systems have problems so there's no saying that would be worse than what we have now and it would certainly be an improvement on some levels.
With that said, I do approve of some corporate responsibility. Here is my suggested model for improving the problem: You should be able to make no more money than the people for whom you are directly responsible.
I'm not sure if you left out a word or two here or if I'm just totally missing what you're saying, but wouldn't this mean that *everybody* at a given company would be paid exactly the same?