No, I pointed out several in the last post alone as well as repeatedly throughout this thread. But, given your demonstrated contempt for the truth, it's no surprise you just keep doing the same thing. Bald faced lying about things which are a clear matter of the public record.
All I asked for was an example, and this is all you come up with...everything? That doesn't exactly qualify. I'm surprised you never came back with "pants on fire".
No, I gave several examples. Many times. ad nauseum. You just keep failing to address them and then deny they're there even though anybody can read the post and see them clear as day.
I refuse to further engage in a battle of wits with someone who is completely unarmed
Laughable, given the fact that I have completely destroyed every point you feebly attempted to make, have repeatedly pointed out blatant lies you've told, and have demonstrated your complete lack of ability to reason. But, yes, keep up the big lie to the end. Your a real tribute to wingnuts.
I asked for facts, I receive curse words and insults.
No, liar, you received *facts* curse words and *well earned* insults. Keep up the delusional lies, Sparky.
I'm sorry, but you are neither mature nor intelligent enough to continue this "discussion".
Says the guy who has lied constantly, trivialized raping children in order to attempt to bolster a point he couldn't back up with reason and keeps projecting the worst parts of himself onto his betters. Nice try, but when you lie bald facedly about things which are clearly in my posts, you really should expect to be treated exactly like this.
Try growing some balls some integrity, and some small knowledge of logic before you make yourself look like more of a scumbag than you already have if that is at all possible.
You, on the other hand, don't want me to have an option to watch what I want to. You want all station to have your standards, or lack thereof. You are utterly intolerant of my creed, belief, and opinion.
You are a fucking idiot, a liar, and a delusional fool. Those are all 100% positive facts which you have gone out of your way to demonstrate repeatedly in this conversation and you show no signs of slowing.
I want all stations to be permitted to choose their own standards and to have those enforced by *you the viewer*, not by your corrupt nanny state. Nothing bigoted there. But again, you just lie and spout insane bullshit. You can't even apply a definition and you think you're capable of constructing a valid argument? Laughable.
I guess I only bring that up because I'm willing to meet halfway. Like I've said several times, I have no problems with station that are completely uncensored. You, on the other hand are not willing to leave some stations censored (as they are now). Even though you would lose nothing at all, you are not happy until you take something away from me. I'm sorry, but that is just wrong.
You are a liar and a fool *again*. We went over this. You keep claiming that bullshit but the fact that all stations are censored either internally or externally and that the vast overwhelming majority of stations are up to *your* standards yet you still aren't happy and want to do even fucking more is both an illustration of your deeply dishonest character and of your doublethinking. We're already 99% of the way on your side and you want to drag it even farther. That is a fact. Given that fact you attempt to claim that you're willing to meet halfway. That is a blatantly obvious *lie*. Given that you clearly know that there are not a majority or even many stations that *ever* use the word "fuck", you are engaging in doublethink.
I mean Orwellian as in you continually engage in doublethink just like the above moronic lies. Examples? Or are you just making it up because you can't counter an argument? It's called a Fallacy of Personal Attack.
No, it's not a fallacy. It's a fact I've given you many examples repeatedly throughout this discussion.
You're proven a liar and a fool *yet again*.
This bill only applies to broadcast stations. The rest are unchanged. Hell for that matter, the broadcast channels have been left unchanged. Also, if all those other stations started saying "fuck" all day, every day, I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, you have a problem with CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and the local independents NOT saying "fuck"? Why do you thin I'm the one with the problem?
So, you agree that you're a fucking liar. You just engaged in doublethink again shit for brains. Pull your head out of your ass and try and learn how to think.
Again with the Personal Attack Fallacy. Do you have any examples of these lies that I've told? Of course not. You claim that I'm lying because you can't dispute the facts so you claim that they are lies. Yet, you give no examples. You just throw the word around. That kinda makes you liar, doesn't it? You accuse me of doublethink? Yeah. I want you to have your stations (one-think) and me to have mine (the other think). Is there anything more liberal than choice?
Again, no fallacy. You are a fucking liar. That's what you call somebody who lies all the time. I called you on a mass of them throughout this discussion. Examples aplenty abound.
Again with the Personal Attack with some Red Herring thrown in. Red Herring is when you bring up a whole new argument and try to relate it the one being discussed. In this case, Big Brother. Keeping stations that can not say "fuck" from being able to say "fuck" is not Big Brother. Big Brother tells you where to work, when to work, what to eat, what to eat and so on. This is not Big Brother, yet you throw it out there because it portrays a negative image. Classic Red Herring. Still, I like how you bring up
Lay off the youtube videos. We've all heard Loose Change's arguments before.
So you have no possible way of defending your ignorance so you make up a totally unrelated strawman and pretend that it was my claim? Hint: I didn't say that the administration had anything to do with 9/11. I encouraged you to go read *what they themselves wrote* or continue looking like an ignorant fool.
You took the ignorant fool course and ran with it. Bravo.
And if you think I'm defending the administration by calling them a bunch of inept bureaucrats and yes men, I'd hate to know what it takes for you to consider something criticism.
Something that deals with the actual facts of the matter without ignoring the single biggest piece of evidence for their actual premeditation of the Iraq invasion and the lies leading up to it *in their own words*. It's just basic honesty and common sense. A very rare quality in these country these days.
Instead of actually being honest, you didn't like hearing basic facts so you made up a bullshit strawman and kicked it over. Again, bravo.
The plan to establish a democratic government in Iraq was a part of the plan from the start. And now it's just what they have left to do.
Bullshit. As far as we know there is *still* no such plan. Maybe you don't actually understand what a plan is. They'll love us and greet us as liberators is not a plan it's a fucking delusion. Now, try to keep those things straight in future ok?
Iraq was big stupid mess from day one, no doubt about that. But let's not try to paint the whole administration as malicious warmongering tyrants when in all reality they're just inept shoot-from-the-hip bureaucrats.
How about we actually pay attention instead of your course of ignore all the facts to try and excuse the administration for their premeditated malicious actions?
Go read the 2000 paper by the Project For a New American Century titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" signed by Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, George Bush Senior and many other members of Bush's original administration and hangers on. Pay attention to the parts where they talk about their plan to invade Iraq to "ensure future US economic world domination in the coming century", their understanding that the American people wouldn't buy their bullshit, so they would need to hope for an attack on the US on the level of Pearl Harbor which they could then misuse as an excuse to invade Iraq.
How about you stop talking about the subject when you obviously don't know a damn thing about it since you couldn't even be bothered to read the position papers published by the very people you're attempting to defend. Think about how stupid that makes you to do something so completely ridiculous.
In short, since their own published plans paint them as exactly malicious warmongering tyrants how about you stop making up complete nonsense in order to defend them from their own fucking words which you never even read?
That would actually be the sane, reasonable position which is pretty much diametrically opposed to your own.
You're right. I give up. The vast majority of the American public should not be able to watch TV because you want to hear "fuck" on the broadcast stations. I guess 1490 channels isn't enough for you, all 1500 of the must say FUCK or you are not happy. It doesn't matter what the VAST majority of the Ameican public wants. All that matters is that you get ALL the stations and make damn sure that FUCK is said on all of them.
You are right. What is the will of the people vs the will of the all-mighty Darby anyway.
I'm curious. When you call me Orwellian, are you saying that I am like George Orwell or like a character from his novel?
I mean Orwellian as in you continually engage in doublethink just like the above moronic lies.
There are like what, HBO, Showtime, and very rarely Comedy central that allow fuck to be said and only at night? So that's 3 stations. Maybe a few more? But exactly opposite to the delusions you're spouting, the vast majority of stations do not use language like that at any time.
Then you claim that I'm trying to subvert the will of the majority when nothing could be further from the truth. You want to use the government in a totally inappropriate role in order to enforce your personal standards on everyone else rather than letting their will actually be known through the market which is the only reasonable approach with an issue like this.
Now obviously, you couldn't be sane and actually believe the nonsense you wrote given that it directly contradicts reality in every particular, yet it's hard to believe that it's possible to be stupid enough to think anybody would believe your deeply delusional lies, so you probably weren't lying on purpose. The only reasonable conclusion I can make is that you're managing to hold 2 directly contradictory positions in your head at the same time which is doublethink.
Weak willed spineless shitbags like yourself are what allows big brother bullshit to exist because you can't be bothered to try and make your brain actually work properly.
You just proved that you talk out of your ass. You have never met my kids. For all you know, I may not even have any. But here you are, telling me what a bad parent I am. You really shouldn't speak about things that you know nothing about. It just proves what a stupid ass you are, trying to look smart by acting arrogant.
And again. You brought your kids up and made them the entire basis of your argument. Now you're doublethinking again. Given the fact that you can not be bothered to use the parental controls you already made me pay for and instead are demanding that I have to pay the government to raise them for you I concluded quite correctly that you are a shitty parent. If you were just lying the whole time about your kids, then if you ever do have kids, then unless you grow up and start acting like an adult, you will absolutely be a shitty parent at that time. So, no, your inability to make a point without lying, doublethinking and being a whiny cunt does not make me an ass.
No, I can't watch what I damn well please if you get your way. Will I be able to watch the Football with my family? Nope, I'll see Janet Jackson's Tits. Can I watch a music award show? Nope, Bono will say "Fucking". So, No, I will not be able to watch whatever I want because you want to take it away.
What twaddle. Go whine to the station and the advertisers. Don't force me to pay for your inability to deal with normal language. If you are so convinced that the vast majority of people agree with you, then leave it to the market. The fact is that you fear that you're a minority and so you want to prevent people from having the entertainment they want. Again, you merely demonstrate your deep dishonesty, your cowardice and your idiocy.
What does this have to do with anything. And this, coming from someone who wanted to leave a dictator in power who really did torture and murder innocent people.
First, how I raise my kids is my business and mine alone. Surely you can agree to that. So leave them out of it. I don't agree with how you raise yours, but notice how I haven't brought it up. It's none of my business and how I raise mine is none of yours. If you can't debate the issues without trying to attack mer personally, please don't post at all.
Oh shut the fuck up you Orwellian asshat. *You* brought your kids up. *Your* whining about how they might hear something dirty is your whole reason for pushing this bullshit. *You've* been cowering behind them this entire thread you little bitch. Suck it up and take some responsibility for your own fucking actions and statements. Don't bring them up and then hide behind them when it's suggested you might actually take some responsibility for them instead of forcing me to pay for your utter failure as a parent.
I've said time and time again that I'm not trying to limit what you or anyone else can watch.
No, you are trying to prevent businesses from running in a manner they deem appropriate by robbing me to pay for a piss pantied moral police because you are too weak willed and cowardly to take any responsibility for yourself.
However, if you release all decency rules from all TV stations, then YOU are limiting what I can watch.
No, you can watch anything you damn well please. Nobody is stopping you from choosing not to watch shows you do not want to. You are unwilling to take any responsibility for yourself so instead of choosing not to watch shows you find offensive you seek to grow the nanny state even more for no good purpose. You have complete control over what comes into your house. Be a man for once instead of a bitch and avail yourself of it.
I'm not trying to take away unregulated stations. Why are you trying to take away my regulated ones?
Because there is no legal basis for allowing a government agency to dictate morals? Because we're already fucking broke due to you pussy nanny state fucks and we can no longer afford to pay for you to avoid your responsibilities. Because you could man up and not be a drooling zombie in front of the TV? Because you have plenty of options none of which require pissing away all that money and freedom?
All I want is for the networks that receive licenses to transmit over the airwaves unencrypted have some standards. We're talking about 5-6 channels. You keep saying that I want to censor everyone and keep anything not church-approved out of your house. I guess you say that because you can't refute my request for 5-6 channels out of the 1500 that are available.
How about you just watch the channels that already provide exactly what you demand? There are channels who cater to exactly your market. There is no need for a government agency to be involved in censorship and "moral" policing. You already have much more than 5-6 channels providing exactly what you're asking for. Of course, you're not even talking about "some standards" You're talking extremist standards enforced by thugs at my expense due to your lack of anything approaching a sense of personal responsibility.
So the question really becomes, given that you're lying repeatedly to avoid addressing your actual reasons for wanting to push your bullshit "morality" on the decent people of this country, what are your actual reasons for wanting a moral police force to push bullshit "oh my god I pissed my panties because I heard a dirty word" idiocy while at the same time actively supporting torturing and murdering innocent people.
That is exactly who and what you have demonstrated yourself to be, so any time evil sociopathic cunts like yourself try to cower behind the children in order to push their fascist agendas decent people don't trust it for a second. We've already seen the same bullshit too many times.
True enough, and I know you're kidding. Still even that puts the onus on you the innocent passerby to go out of your way to avoid seeing it whereas anything you see or hear on your TV you had to actively seek out.
I should HAVE to actively decide to tune in a channel with offensive content.
And that's how it is now and would be if the FCC were disbanded. You *choose* what you watch. If you seriously don't think there is a market for profanity free programming then you haven't thought about it. You do not want to take that responsibility for yourself so you're forcing me to pay for your inadequacies as a person and as a parent.
I'm not trying to trivialize anything.
Bullshit! That's exactly what you're doing. You're claiming that there is no real difference between a kid getting raped and hearing a dirty word. If that is not exactly what you were doing, then you would not have even brought up a subject so bizarre and tried to draw a comparison. All you've shown is that you do not have anything to back up your idiotic assertions. Why else would you have to trivialize raping kids?
Why is this different?
Because you are the one who chooses the channels you watch and even what channels *your* TV is allowed to receive.
A good parent (your words, not mine) wouldn't let their child have sex with an adult, just like a good parent wouldn't let their child watch offensive material on TV? Granted, one is worse than the other, but, you said it is the parent's responsibility. Why is one the responsibility of the parent and not the other?
In the first place, little kids do not *choose* to have sex with adults. They're *raped* by adults. Of course, it is *still* your fucking responsibility to keep your kids away from pedos, but apparently you don't believe that either. I fucking pity your kids. If your kids see or hear anything on your tv that you do not approve of then that is entirely your fault and your failure.
Now, of course, you're left trying to prove that hearing dirty words on TV is in any way a bad thing. I'm not claiming it's *good*, but you're response just proves again how unfit you are to be deciding anything for anybody. There is no reason to think that it in any way makes someone a bad parent because they don't care if their kids hear dirty words. Words are just words. If you don't like them, don't watch shows that have them. You have a mass of options for controlling your and your kid's viewing habits, but you've apparently completely failed to avail yourself of them even though I've already paid for them at your fucking demand.
Pull your head out of your ass and take some responsibility for yourself for once.
Sorry. I didn't realize there was anything wrong with being gay or that it was some sort of an insult.
Actually, *you* clearly intended it as an insult. I don't take it that way...merely as yet another indication of your small minded ignorance.
Censorship is the same whether it's telling you and your wife what you can do in your yard or what CBS can put on TV.
Of course it isn't. You have to actively decide to buy a TV. you then have to actively decide to turn it on. Then you have to actively decide to tune in a channel that has decided to air content which *you* find offensive. More to the point, you have to actively decide to prop your sprog up in front of something you've already decided is offensive. None of that has any relation to fucking in your front lawn in full view of the street.
As far as your disgusting attempt to trivialize raping 5 year olds, you've already demonstrated your total lack of anything approaching an understanding of decency or morality so I'll just have to say I'm unsurprised but utterly contemptuous of you.
Not in any way shape or form. It's definitely you.
If you don't like, you don't have to watch TV.
Exactly. It is that simple. Try being a parent instead of letting the TV do it for you. It's called personal responsibility. Try it some time.
Why should The Sopranos get to show nipple and guts and Sesame Street can't?
Exactly. Of course I doubt many parents would like that, so they wouldn't let their kids watch Sesame street so it would get pulled since it has no audience. Simple, clean, and none of your whiny nanny state bullshit needed.
Why can't Darby blow his boyfriend in his front yard?
Let me see if I understand what you're saying:
You're an ignorant cunt. You have nothing except your own cowardly delusions to back up your position therefore I must be one of the evil gays. Apart from the fact that that would be quite a surprise to both my wife and I it's as nonsensical as pretty much everything else you say.
You routinely actively support torturing and murdering innocent people and anyone who actually does stand up for freedom is a "fag".
Yep, par for the course. There's a reason that decent people do not want cunts, like yourself, who clearly have no concept of morality deciding what is or isn't decent.
How about you let ME worry about my kids and stop trying to fuck up the public airwaves.
Except, you ignorant cunt, you're the one who is *not* dealing with you own fucking mewling brats and therefore are trying to fuck up the public airwaves as opposed to dealing with your own problems.
Don't even fucking try to play that Orwellian bullshit role reversal.
You had the kids, you fucking deal with them. The TV turns off and if you're really that concerned about dirty words then your problems are legion and will not be solved by merely giving massively overreaching powers to yet another fucked up nanny state government agency.
You go and be a parent and quit expecting the TV to do it for you. Don't deny that that is exactly what you are doing, becasue if you weren't, then this couldn't possibly be an issue.
You should have taken care to grow up yourself before having kids you weak willed, cowardly, nanny state fuck.
That's not exactly the case since MJ is a black man that's turning into a white woman.That's not exactly the case since MJ is a black man that's turning into a white woman.
Yep, he was born a poor black boy and now he's a rich white woman;-)
American beer is some of the best in the world, if you discount our macro brews. Stone, Rogue, North Coast, Highland, Ommegang, etc. are all excellent. What, exactly, does Australia have in the way of good micros?
It's just an old joke that lost its meaning in the 80s when we had the micro brew revolution. I think some people didn't get the memo that we have a lot more than Bud, Coors, and Miller. My wife is English and loves beer. We went to England over Christmas and we both were surprised by how bland the offerings were compared to the multitude of good American beers. They weren't that bad, just not nearly as good.
I disagree with you strongly, especially on the "death camps in third world shitholes and spying on our own citizens",
So you think that even without a massively overpowered federal government this would be possible? How exactly do you see that as being possible? What is the mechanism by which it could have occurred?
I think you express your opinions at the grace of better people than yourself who spent their blood, sweat and tears in order to provide you the opportunity.
Which is relevant how exactly? No shit, this country still has the freedoms it does due to the sacrifices of our forefathers. We are losing them rapidly because so few are willing to even speak up against the current atrocities, abuses and assaults on the constitution. So, yes, plenty of people died long ago to afford me the ability to stand up for what they sacrificed for and I am doing exactly that.
You believe that it is constitutionally acceptable to allow people to inflict fear on the populace through bomb threats.
If you think your statement even makes sense, then you're very wrong. Nothing in the constitution has anything to say about *allowing* people, as in private citizens to do a damn thing. The premise upon which the constitution is based is that it is the right of a person to do damn near anything they so choose. All the constitution is for is to explicitly list the very few things that the *federal* government is allowed to do. The bill of rights was added as an afterthought to specifically mention some major important things that *yes, absolutely, we mean this you can not under any circumstances do anything to regulate any of these things. It's not your business keep the fuck out*. It was largely considered worthless and redundant at the time, but a few "paranoid loons" insisted, and so they were added.
So, making threats to one high school in a small city in Washington state has nothing *at all* to do with the constitution. Using a federal agency to investigate said threats is, on the other hand, not in any way shape or form *permitted* by the constitution.
That's what your state and local governments are for.
Not only are you an idiot, but you really should find yourself a country that cares what you have to say.
You've done nothing to back up your idea that the OP is an idiot, but you've proven beyond any doubt that you're deeply ignorant on the topic yet willing to spout nonsense about it anyhow.
You can say a lot of good or bad things about our government, but calling it evil because it enforces a just law is absurd.
Except the OPs point is that there is no just law involved. I doubt many people would disagree that bomb threats need to be taken seriously, but there are appropriate avenues to address them. The federal government is not, in any way, such an avenue. People, like yourself, who keep insisting that the federal government overstep its bounds because they can't be bothered to learn its appropriate role is the reason we are now running death camps in third world shitholes and spying on our own citizens.
Now, is there any chance you'd care to apologize to the OP for the ad hominems you were throwing around based solely upon your own misunderstanding of the topic at hand?
They know *nothing* about networking, which is something that you would think would be required for someone that, well, supports a network.
Try their TV people. I called up to try and get them to update the firmware on my cable box so I could control it via a serial cable with my MythTV box. I lied and said I had a Tivo and the guy was all "What's Tivo"?
What utterly baffles me is why the installers don't just bring a cheap / light windows laptop with them.
Because then they wouldn't be able to install 100+MB of probably malicious crap on your computer? Just a guess, but even if I had a windows machine to install their malware on I'd still make them call it in to set up the cable modem instead. There is no excuse for you to have to install anything to get a simple network connection up and running.
If it was just one event, it would be an isolated one. The problem is, it is an ANNUAL (or more regular) event that is celebrated. NAMBLA marching with SF Supervisors and Mayor, in the gay pride parade.
So gay men fornicating in the street magically turned into your issues with free speech?
The problem here, is you are either BLIND or haven't actually seen what goes on.
No, the problem is that you appear incapable of constructing and defending an actual point. All you've managed to do is screech your hatred of other people's right to live their own lives the way they so choose. And you keep changing what it is that you're screeching about.
The annual celebration of all that is skewed is part and parcel to what is "San FranSicko Values".
Again, all you have is some overriding hatred of people whose lifestyle choices are none of your fucking business.
I'm sure that gay people engage in public lewd acts (except lewd isn't a crime in SF, is it???)
Why would it be a crime anywhere where people have respect for liberty? What a retarded idea.
But in SF, they are celebrated, not shunned.
Sounds like a place where people brave enough to live in a free society would enjoy. You quite clearly are far too cowardly for any such thing. It's amazing that you attempt to describe yourself as a libertarian yet all you've done here is whine like a litt;le bitch about how people are exercising their individual liberty. Pretty pathetic really.
What FS appears to be the one to use now on a Linux system?
There isn't one true filesystem. It depends on what you're doing with it. Reiser is really good for lots of small files, JFS is good for quickly deleting large files (MythTV box for instance). In testing I did for mysql with our particular useage patterns, XFS was *way* faster than JFS, reiser or ext3.
So our typical mysql box will have 3 different filesystems. ext2 for/boot, reiser for the system partitions and xfs for mysql data/log partitions.
Really, you should experiment with the applications you use in your environment.
Right, because criticizing disgusting behavior is "hate mongering".
"Road to hell is paved with good intentions, and San FranSicko is the breading zone for HELL."
Yeah.
You're spouting ridiculous nonsense because "oh my god you saw something you didn't like" nad now the whole city is damned to hell. Decent people would just get over it.
Typical LEFTWING rhetoric, everything is "hate" this and "religious" that.
I'm not a left winger, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You're spouting a bunch of hate filled screeching, you're using the same nonsense epithets as spouted by the religious loons. It just fits.
Can't defeat them with sound logic, call them names. Works like a charm on every kindergarten playground and in SanFranSicko.
Ha ha ha. You can't reason a person out of a position reason didn't get them into. As for calling names, well you started it and continue it, so I just figured that it was the language you understood. You've done nothing to counter that assumption.
You saying that San Fransisco has no examples of anti military, and public exhibition homosexual fornication behavior, or is it rather you like both those attitudes and think I'm "small" for not wanting to be around it?
No, I'm saying that using one event to characterize the entire city makes you look really idiotic and shitty.
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You're entire post consists of the following:
No, I pointed out several in the last post alone as well as repeatedly throughout this thread. But, given your demonstrated contempt for the truth, it's no surprise you just keep doing the same thing. Bald faced lying about things which are a clear matter of the public record.
All I asked for was an example, and this is all you come up with...everything? That doesn't exactly qualify. I'm surprised you never came back with "pants on fire".
No, I gave several examples. Many times. ad nauseum. You just keep failing to address them and then deny they're there even though anybody can read the post and see them clear as day.
I refuse to further engage in a battle of wits with someone who is completely unarmed
Laughable, given the fact that I have completely destroyed every point you feebly attempted to make, have repeatedly pointed out blatant lies you've told, and have demonstrated your complete lack of ability to reason. But, yes, keep up the big lie to the end. Your a real tribute to wingnuts.
I asked for facts, I receive curse words and insults.
No, liar, you received *facts* curse words and *well earned* insults. Keep up the delusional lies, Sparky.
I'm sorry, but you are neither mature nor intelligent enough to continue this "discussion".
Says the guy who has lied constantly, trivialized raping children in order to attempt to bolster a point he couldn't back up with reason and keeps projecting the worst parts of himself onto his betters.
Nice try, but when you lie bald facedly about things which are clearly in my posts, you really should expect to be treated exactly like this.
Try growing some balls some integrity, and some small knowledge of logic before you make yourself look like more of a scumbag than you already have if that is at all possible.
Parent's link is to a photo of an enlarged and strangely external male anus, and while not the classic goatse, is certainly a related image.
You type quite well for a person who just gouged their own eyes out with a fork.
You, on the other hand, don't want me to have an option to watch what I want to. You want all station to have your standards, or lack thereof. You are utterly intolerant of my creed, belief, and opinion.
You are a fucking idiot, a liar, and a delusional fool. Those are all 100% positive facts which you have gone out of your way to demonstrate repeatedly in this conversation and you show no signs of slowing.
I want all stations to be permitted to choose their own standards and to have those enforced by *you the viewer*, not by your corrupt nanny state.
Nothing bigoted there. But again, you just lie and spout insane bullshit.
You can't even apply a definition and you think you're capable of constructing a valid argument? Laughable.
I guess I only bring that up because I'm willing to meet halfway. Like I've said several times, I have no problems with station that are completely uncensored. You, on the other hand are not willing to leave some stations censored (as they are now). Even though you would lose nothing at all, you are not happy until you take something away from me. I'm sorry, but that is just wrong.
You are a liar and a fool *again*.
We went over this. You keep claiming that bullshit but the fact that all stations are censored either internally or externally and that the vast overwhelming majority of stations are up to *your* standards yet you still aren't happy and want to do even fucking more is both an illustration of your deeply dishonest character and of your doublethinking. We're already 99% of the way on your side and you want to drag it even farther. That is a fact. Given that fact you attempt to claim that you're willing to meet halfway. That is a blatantly obvious *lie*. Given that you clearly know that there are not a majority or even many stations that *ever* use the word "fuck", you are engaging in doublethink.
I mean Orwellian as in you continually engage in doublethink just like the above moronic lies.
Examples? Or are you just making it up because you can't counter an argument? It's called a Fallacy of Personal Attack.
No, it's not a fallacy. It's a fact I've given you many examples repeatedly throughout this discussion.
You're proven a liar and a fool *yet again*.
This bill only applies to broadcast stations. The rest are unchanged. Hell for that matter, the broadcast channels have been left unchanged. Also, if all those other stations started saying "fuck" all day, every day, I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, you have a problem with CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and the local independents NOT saying "fuck"? Why do you thin I'm the one with the problem?
So, you agree that you're a fucking liar.
You just engaged in doublethink again shit for brains. Pull your head out of your ass and try and learn how to think.
Again with the Personal Attack Fallacy. Do you have any examples of these lies that I've told? Of course not. You claim that I'm lying because you can't dispute the facts so you claim that they are lies. Yet, you give no examples. You just throw the word around. That kinda makes you liar, doesn't it? You accuse me of doublethink? Yeah. I want you to have your stations (one-think) and me to have mine (the other think). Is there anything more liberal than choice?
Again, no fallacy. You are a fucking liar. That's what you call somebody who lies all the time.
I called you on a mass of them throughout this discussion. Examples aplenty abound.
Again with the Personal Attack with some Red Herring thrown in. Red Herring is when you bring up a whole new argument and try to relate it the one being discussed. In this case, Big Brother. Keeping stations that can not say "fuck" from being able to say "fuck" is not Big Brother. Big Brother tells you where to work, when to work, what to eat, what to eat and so on. This is not Big Brother, yet you throw it out there because it portrays a negative image. Classic Red Herring. Still, I like how you bring up
Lay off the youtube videos. We've all heard Loose Change's arguments before.
So you have no possible way of defending your ignorance so you make up a totally unrelated strawman and pretend that it was my claim?
Hint: I didn't say that the administration had anything to do with 9/11. I encouraged you to go read *what they themselves wrote* or continue looking like an ignorant fool.
You took the ignorant fool course and ran with it. Bravo.
And if you think I'm defending the administration by calling them a bunch of inept bureaucrats and yes men, I'd hate to know what it takes for you to consider something criticism.
Something that deals with the actual facts of the matter without ignoring the single biggest piece of evidence for their actual premeditation of the Iraq invasion and the lies leading up to it *in their own words*.
It's just basic honesty and common sense. A very rare quality in these country these days.
Instead of actually being honest, you didn't like hearing basic facts so you made up a bullshit strawman and kicked it over. Again, bravo.
The plan to establish a democratic government in Iraq was a part of the plan from the start. And now it's just what they have left to do.
Bullshit. As far as we know there is *still* no such plan.
Maybe you don't actually understand what a plan is. They'll love us and greet us as liberators is not a plan it's a fucking delusion. Now, try to keep those things straight in future ok?
Thanks.
Iraq was big stupid mess from day one, no doubt about that. But let's not try to paint the whole administration as malicious warmongering tyrants when in all reality they're just inept shoot-from-the-hip bureaucrats.
How about we actually pay attention instead of your course of ignore all the facts to try and excuse the administration for their premeditated malicious actions?
Go read the 2000 paper by the Project For a New American Century titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" signed by Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, George Bush Senior and many other members of Bush's original administration and hangers on. Pay attention to the parts where they talk about their plan to invade Iraq to "ensure future US economic world domination in the coming century", their understanding that the American people wouldn't buy their bullshit, so they would need to hope for an attack on the US on the level of Pearl Harbor which they could then misuse as an excuse to invade Iraq.
How about you stop talking about the subject when you obviously don't know a damn thing about it since you couldn't even be bothered to read the position papers published by the very people you're attempting to defend.
Think about how stupid that makes you to do something so completely ridiculous.
In short, since their own published plans paint them as exactly malicious warmongering tyrants how about you stop making up complete nonsense in order to defend them from their own fucking words which you never even read?
That would actually be the sane, reasonable position which is pretty much diametrically opposed to your own.
You're right. I give up. The vast majority of the American public should not be able to watch TV because you want to hear "fuck" on the broadcast stations. I guess 1490 channels isn't enough for you, all 1500 of the must say FUCK or you are not happy. It doesn't matter what the VAST majority of the Ameican public wants. All that matters is that you get ALL the stations and make damn sure that FUCK is said on all of them.
You are right. What is the will of the people vs the will of the all-mighty Darby anyway.
I'm curious. When you call me Orwellian, are you saying that I am like George Orwell or like a character from his novel?
I mean Orwellian as in you continually engage in doublethink just like the above moronic lies.
There are like what, HBO, Showtime, and very rarely Comedy central that allow fuck to be said and only at night? So that's 3 stations. Maybe a few more? But exactly opposite to the delusions you're spouting, the vast majority of stations do not use language like that at any time.
Then you claim that I'm trying to subvert the will of the majority when nothing could be further from the truth. You want to use the government in a totally inappropriate role in order to enforce your personal standards on everyone else rather than letting their will actually be known through the market which is the only reasonable approach with an issue like this.
Now obviously, you couldn't be sane and actually believe the nonsense you wrote given that it directly contradicts reality in every particular, yet it's hard to believe that it's possible to be stupid enough to think anybody would believe your deeply delusional lies, so you probably weren't lying on purpose. The only reasonable conclusion I can make is that you're managing to hold 2 directly contradictory positions in your head at the same time which is doublethink.
Weak willed spineless shitbags like yourself are what allows big brother bullshit to exist because you can't be bothered to try and make your brain actually work properly.
You just proved that you talk out of your ass. You have never met my kids. For all you know, I may not even have any. But here you are, telling me what a bad parent I am. You really shouldn't speak about things that you know nothing about. It just proves what a stupid ass you are, trying to look smart by acting arrogant.
And again. You brought your kids up and made them the entire basis of your argument. Now you're doublethinking again.
Given the fact that you can not be bothered to use the parental controls you already made me pay for and instead are demanding that I have to pay the government to raise them for you I concluded quite correctly that you are a shitty parent. If you were just lying the whole time about your kids, then if you ever do have kids, then unless you grow up and start acting like an adult, you will absolutely be a shitty parent at that time. So, no, your inability to make a point without lying, doublethinking and being a whiny cunt does not make me an ass.
No, I can't watch what I damn well please if you get your way. Will I be able to watch the Football with my family? Nope, I'll see Janet Jackson's Tits. Can I watch a music award show? Nope, Bono will say "Fucking". So, No, I will not be able to watch whatever I want because you want to take it away.
What twaddle. Go whine to the station and the advertisers. Don't force me to pay for your inability to deal with normal language. If you are so convinced that the vast majority of people agree with you, then leave it to the market. The fact is that you fear that you're a minority and so you want to prevent people from having the entertainment they want. Again, you merely demonstrate your deep dishonesty, your cowardice and your idiocy.
What does this have to do with anything. And this, coming from someone who wanted to leave a dictator in power who really did torture and murder innocent people.
It has to do with making a clear and abso
First, how I raise my kids is my business and mine alone. Surely you can agree to that. So leave them out of it. I don't agree with how you raise yours, but notice how I haven't brought it up. It's none of my business and how I raise mine is none of yours. If you can't debate the issues without trying to attack mer personally, please don't post at all.
Oh shut the fuck up you Orwellian asshat. *You* brought your kids up. *Your* whining about how they might hear something dirty is your whole reason for pushing this bullshit. *You've* been cowering behind them this entire thread you little bitch. Suck it up and take some responsibility for your own fucking actions and statements. Don't bring them up and then hide behind them when it's suggested you might actually take some responsibility for them instead of forcing me to pay for your utter failure as a parent.
I've said time and time again that I'm not trying to limit what you or anyone else can watch.
No, you are trying to prevent businesses from running in a manner they deem appropriate by robbing me to pay for a piss pantied moral police because you are too weak willed and cowardly to take any responsibility for yourself.
However, if you release all decency rules from all TV stations, then YOU are limiting what I can watch.
No, you can watch anything you damn well please. Nobody is stopping you from choosing not to watch shows you do not want to. You are unwilling to take any responsibility for yourself so instead of choosing not to watch shows you find offensive you seek to grow the nanny state even more for no good purpose. You have complete control over what comes into your house. Be a man for once instead of a bitch and avail yourself of it.
I'm not trying to take away unregulated stations. Why are you trying to take away my regulated ones?
Because there is no legal basis for allowing a government agency to dictate morals? Because we're already fucking broke due to you pussy nanny state fucks and we can no longer afford to pay for you to avoid your responsibilities.
Because you could man up and not be a drooling zombie in front of the TV? Because you have plenty of options none of which require pissing away all that money and freedom?
All I want is for the networks that receive licenses to transmit over the airwaves unencrypted have some standards. We're talking about 5-6 channels. You keep saying that I want to censor everyone and keep anything not church-approved out of your house. I guess you say that because you can't refute my request for 5-6 channels out of the 1500 that are available.
How about you just watch the channels that already provide exactly what you demand? There are channels who cater to exactly your market. There is no need for a government agency to be involved in censorship and "moral" policing.
You already have much more than 5-6 channels providing exactly what you're asking for. Of course, you're not even talking about "some standards" You're talking extremist standards enforced by thugs at my expense due to your lack of anything approaching a sense of personal responsibility.
So the question really becomes, given that you're lying repeatedly to avoid addressing your actual reasons for wanting to push your bullshit "morality" on the decent people of this country, what are your actual reasons for wanting a moral police force to push bullshit "oh my god I pissed my panties because I heard a dirty word" idiocy while at the same time actively supporting torturing and murdering innocent people.
That is exactly who and what you have demonstrated yourself to be, so any time evil sociopathic cunts like yourself try to cower behind the children in order to push their fascist agendas decent people don't trust it for a second. We've already seen the same bullshit too many times.
You can close your eyes
True enough, and I know you're kidding.
Still even that puts the onus on you the innocent passerby to go out of your way to avoid seeing it whereas anything you see or hear on your TV you had to actively seek out.
I should HAVE to actively decide to tune in a channel with offensive content.
And that's how it is now and would be if the FCC were disbanded. You *choose* what you watch. If you seriously don't think there is a market for profanity free programming then you haven't thought about it. You do not want to take that responsibility for yourself so you're forcing me to pay for your inadequacies as a person and as a parent.
I'm not trying to trivialize anything.
Bullshit! That's exactly what you're doing. You're claiming that there is no real difference between a kid getting raped and hearing a dirty word. If that is not exactly what you were doing, then you would not have even brought up a subject so bizarre and tried to draw a comparison. All you've shown is that you do not have anything to back up your idiotic assertions. Why else would you have to trivialize raping kids?
Why is this different?
Because you are the one who chooses the channels you watch and even what channels *your* TV is allowed to receive.
A good parent (your words, not mine) wouldn't let their child have sex with an adult, just like a good parent wouldn't let their child watch offensive material on TV? Granted, one is worse than the other, but, you said it is the parent's responsibility. Why is one the responsibility of the parent and not the other?
In the first place, little kids do not *choose* to have sex with adults. They're *raped* by adults. Of course, it is *still* your fucking responsibility to keep your kids away from pedos, but apparently you don't believe that either. I fucking pity your kids. If your kids see or hear anything on your tv that you do not approve of then that is entirely your fault and your failure.
Now, of course, you're left trying to prove that hearing dirty words on TV is in any way a bad thing. I'm not claiming it's *good*, but you're response just proves again how unfit you are to be deciding anything for anybody. There is no reason to think that it in any way makes someone a bad parent because they don't care if their kids hear dirty words. Words are just words. If you don't like them, don't watch shows that have them. You have a mass of options for controlling your and your kid's viewing habits, but you've apparently completely failed to avail yourself of them even though I've already paid for them at your fucking demand.
Pull your head out of your ass and take some responsibility for yourself for once.
Sorry. I didn't realize there was anything wrong with being gay or that it was some sort of an insult.
Actually, *you* clearly intended it as an insult. I don't take it that way...merely as yet another indication of your small minded ignorance.
Censorship is the same whether it's telling you and your wife what you can do in your yard or what CBS can put on TV.
Of course it isn't. You have to actively decide to buy a TV. you then have to actively decide to turn it on. Then you have to actively decide to tune in a channel that has decided to air content which *you* find offensive. More to the point, you have to actively decide to prop your sprog up in front of something you've already decided is offensive. None of that has any relation to fucking in your front lawn in full view of the street.
As far as your disgusting attempt to trivialize raping 5 year olds, you've already demonstrated your total lack of anything approaching an understanding of decency or morality so I'll just have to say I'm unsurprised but utterly contemptuous of you.
Uh, isn't that what you are doing?
Not in any way shape or form. It's definitely you.
If you don't like, you don't have to watch TV.
Exactly. It is that simple. Try being a parent instead of letting the TV do it for you. It's called personal responsibility. Try it some time.
Why should The Sopranos get to show nipple and guts and Sesame Street can't?
Exactly. Of course I doubt many parents would like that, so they wouldn't let their kids watch Sesame street so it would get pulled since it has no audience. Simple, clean, and none of your whiny nanny state bullshit needed.
Why can't Darby blow his boyfriend in his front yard?
Let me see if I understand what you're saying:
You're an ignorant cunt. You have nothing except your own cowardly delusions to back up your position therefore I must be one of the evil gays.
Apart from the fact that that would be quite a surprise to both my wife and I it's as nonsensical as pretty much everything else you say.
You routinely actively support torturing and murdering innocent people and anyone who actually does stand up for freedom is a "fag".
Yep, par for the course.
There's a reason that decent people do not want cunts, like yourself, who clearly have no concept of morality deciding what is or isn't decent.
How about you let ME worry about my kids and stop trying to fuck up the public airwaves.
Except, you ignorant cunt, you're the one who is *not* dealing with you own fucking mewling brats and therefore are trying to fuck up the public airwaves as opposed to dealing with your own problems.
Don't even fucking try to play that Orwellian bullshit role reversal.
You had the kids, you fucking deal with them. The TV turns off and if you're really that concerned about dirty words then your problems are legion and will not be solved by merely giving massively overreaching powers to yet another fucked up nanny state government agency.
You go and be a parent and quit expecting the TV to do it for you. Don't deny that that is exactly what you are doing, becasue if you weren't, then this couldn't possibly be an issue.
You should have taken care to grow up yourself before having kids you weak willed, cowardly, nanny state fuck.
That's not exactly the case since MJ is a black man that's turning into a white woman.That's not exactly the case since MJ is a black man that's turning into a white woman.
;-)
Yep, he was born a poor black boy and now he's a rich white woman
Wait a minute, Hamlet DIES?!!! OMGWTFBBQ!
Yes. He does. And a damn good thing too in my book. Indecisive whining little pussy.
American beer is some of the best in the world, if you discount our macro brews. Stone, Rogue, North Coast, Highland, Ommegang, etc. are all excellent. What, exactly, does Australia have in the way of good micros?
It's just an old joke that lost its meaning in the 80s when we had the micro brew revolution. I think some people didn't get the memo that we have a lot more than Bud, Coors, and Miller. My wife is English and loves beer. We went to England over Christmas and we both were surprised by how bland the offerings were compared to the multitude of good American beers. They weren't that bad, just not nearly as good.
I disagree with you strongly, especially on the "death camps in third world shitholes and spying on our own citizens",
So you think that even without a massively overpowered federal government this would be possible?
How exactly do you see that as being possible? What is the mechanism by which it could have occurred?
I think you express your opinions at the grace of better people than yourself who spent their blood, sweat and tears in order to provide you the opportunity.
Which is relevant how exactly? No shit, this country still has the freedoms it does due to the sacrifices of our forefathers. We are losing them rapidly because so few are willing to even speak up against the current atrocities, abuses and assaults on the constitution.
So, yes, plenty of people died long ago to afford me the ability to stand up for what they sacrificed for and I am doing exactly that.
You seem very confused about many things.
You believe that it is constitutionally acceptable to allow people to inflict fear on the populace through bomb threats.
If you think your statement even makes sense, then you're very wrong.
Nothing in the constitution has anything to say about *allowing* people, as in private citizens to do a damn thing. The premise upon which the constitution is based is that it is the right of a person to do damn near anything they so choose. All the constitution is for is to explicitly list the very few things that the *federal* government is allowed to do. The bill of rights was added as an afterthought to specifically mention some major important things that *yes, absolutely, we mean this you can not under any circumstances do anything to regulate any of these things. It's not your business keep the fuck out*. It was largely considered worthless and redundant at the time, but a few "paranoid loons" insisted, and so they were added.
So, making threats to one high school in a small city in Washington state has nothing *at all* to do with the constitution. Using a federal agency to investigate said threats is, on the other hand, not in any way shape or form *permitted* by the constitution.
That's what your state and local governments are for.
Not only are you an idiot, but you really should find yourself a country that cares what you have to say.
You've done nothing to back up your idea that the OP is an idiot, but you've proven beyond any doubt that you're deeply ignorant on the topic yet willing to spout nonsense about it anyhow.
You can say a lot of good or bad things about our government, but calling it evil because it enforces a just law is absurd.
Except the OPs point is that there is no just law involved. I doubt many people would disagree that bomb threats need to be taken seriously, but there are appropriate avenues to address them. The federal government is not, in any way, such an avenue. People, like yourself, who keep insisting that the federal government overstep its bounds because they can't be bothered to learn its appropriate role is the reason we are now running death camps in third world shitholes and spying on our own citizens.
Now, is there any chance you'd care to apologize to the OP for the ad hominems you were throwing around based solely upon your own misunderstanding of the topic at hand?
They know *nothing* about networking, which is something that you would think would be required for someone that, well, supports a network.
Try their TV people. I called up to try and get them to update the firmware on my cable box so I could control it via a serial cable with my MythTV box.
I lied and said I had a Tivo and the guy was all "What's Tivo"?
What utterly baffles me is why the installers don't just bring a cheap / light windows laptop with them.
Because then they wouldn't be able to install 100+MB of probably malicious crap on your computer?
Just a guess, but even if I had a windows machine to install their malware on I'd still make them call it in to set up the cable modem instead. There is no excuse for you to have to install anything to get a simple network connection up and running.
If it was just one event, it would be an isolated one. The problem is, it is an ANNUAL (or more regular) event that is celebrated. NAMBLA marching with SF Supervisors and Mayor, in the gay pride parade.
So gay men fornicating in the street magically turned into your issues with free speech?
The problem here, is you are either BLIND or haven't actually seen what goes on.
No, the problem is that you appear incapable of constructing and defending an actual point. All you've managed to do is screech your hatred of other people's right to live their own lives the way they so choose. And you keep changing what it is that you're screeching about.
The annual celebration of all that is skewed is part and parcel to what is "San FranSicko Values".
Again, all you have is some overriding hatred of people whose lifestyle choices are none of your fucking business.
I'm sure that gay people engage in public lewd acts (except lewd isn't a crime in SF, is it???)
Why would it be a crime anywhere where people have respect for liberty? What a retarded idea.
But in SF, they are celebrated, not shunned.
Sounds like a place where people brave enough to live in a free society would enjoy. You quite clearly are far too cowardly for any such thing.
It's amazing that you attempt to describe yourself as a libertarian yet all you've done here is whine like a litt;le bitch about how people are exercising their individual liberty. Pretty pathetic really.
What FS appears to be the one to use now on a Linux system?
/boot, reiser for the system partitions and xfs for mysql data/log partitions.
There isn't one true filesystem. It depends on what you're doing with it. Reiser is really good for lots of small files, JFS is good for quickly deleting large files (MythTV box for instance). In testing I did for mysql with our particular useage patterns, XFS was *way* faster than JFS, reiser or ext3.
So our typical mysql box will have 3 different filesystems. ext2 for
Really, you should experiment with the applications you use in your environment.
"Kindly go die in a fire."
Who is the hater here?
That would still be you. I asked politely.
Right, because criticizing disgusting behavior is "hate mongering".
"Road to hell is paved with good intentions, and San FranSicko is the breading zone for HELL."
Yeah.
You're spouting ridiculous nonsense because "oh my god you saw something you didn't like" nad now the whole city is damned to hell. Decent people would just get over it.
Typical LEFTWING rhetoric, everything is "hate" this and "religious" that.
I'm not a left winger, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You're spouting a bunch of hate filled screeching, you're using the same nonsense epithets as spouted by the religious loons. It just fits.
Can't defeat them with sound logic, call them names. Works like a charm on every kindergarten playground and in SanFranSicko.
Ha ha ha. You can't reason a person out of a position reason didn't get them into. As for calling names, well you started it and continue it, so I just figured that it was the language you understood. You've done nothing to counter that assumption.
You saying that San Fransisco has no examples of anti military, and public exhibition homosexual fornication behavior, or is it rather you like both those attitudes and think I'm "small" for not wanting to be around it?
No, I'm saying that using one event to characterize the entire city makes you look really idiotic and shitty.
Appreciated.
Try that version of Coke if you like Coca Cola. It's worth the trouble to get it.
Is it different than what I can get at the Mexican market on the corner? That's made with sugar, but I don't know if there are other differences.