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Internet Searches Reveal CIA's Secrets
GabrielF writes "In another blow to the reputation of the agency that just can't seem to get anything right, the Chicago Tribune used web searches and various commercial online databases to uncover a treasure trove of information about the CIA. The Tribune found the identities of over 2600 CIA employees (including an undisclosed number of covert operatives) as well as the locations of over two dozen CIA facilities across the U.S., internal telephone numbers, and information on 17 aircraft."
Don't worry, damage control is by default in effect as most people won't bother registering with the Chicago Tribune's website to read the story. ;)
Stuck down a hole! In the middle of the night! With an owl!
But how are they sure it's not disinformation setup by these organizations to throw people off the trail? I don't have much faith in our government, but I don't think the Intelligence Agencies are that stupid.
How do we know that all that info is not just a bunch of red herrings to throw us off the track and keep us distracted?
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
... cause I don't want something like the Chicago Tribune knowing who the heck I am. I already did the NYT thingy... and spam came out the wing-wang! I'll do the spam-email thingy with the CT if I have to, but a mirror would be so much less hassle. On-line links to newspapers are getting like porn sites: make sure you have a ditch account somewhere, your firewall up, and your virus scans active. News stories are the porn of the 21st century... except that they screw you. Open up wide, peeps, and drink it down.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
Only Women Bleed (Sex, Sharia remix)
You would prefer that they were really a completely secret police?
KFG
What the hell happened to the spy agency? CIA Agents now chat away on unsecure cell phones, check into foreign hotels using GSAs (US gov't issued credit cards), and leak every other intelligence briefing to the press. They might as well start a group on MySpace and issue bumper stickers and T shirts. The fact that Google can catch sensitive information means these guys have failed the test of keeping our government's secrets secure.
Any fool can criticise, condemn, and complain, and most fools do. - Benjamin Franklin
and they'll never catch me! I've left posts all over this site and heaps of others. My proliferation is so wide that there's _too_ much out there for them to find. PSNR, meet my friend, ZERO.
Quote from the Slashdot story: "In another blow to the reputation of the agency that just can't seem to get anything right..."
That depends on the definition of "right". CIA employees get more money and promotions if there is more trouble in the world. So, they make trouble. For example, the CIA trained Osama bin Laden and other Arabs in the techniques of terrorism.
U.S. citizens should not expect that ANY U.S. government secret agency actually does what it is supposed to do. The secrecy allows the purpose to drift off course, until it is the employees who determine what happens, not the policy makers.
Government leaders, such as U.S. congressmen and women, are allowed to know only the public relations information about the secret agencies, not what is really happening. In the name of secrecy and covert operation, the secret U.S. government agencies are allowed to lie. They place lies in newspapers and magazines the same way other P.R. is placed.
A government that sometimes acts in secret cannot be said to be a democratic government, because the citizens cannot supervise what they don't know.
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Before, Saddam got Iraq oil profits & paid part to kill Iraqis. Now a few Americans share Iraq oil profits, & U.S. citizens pay to kill Iraqis. Improvement?
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Preface
Conspiracy theories are nothing new to history. Plots to kill Caesar and overthrow Rome abounded, for instance. However, it is seldom that concrete clues to such plots come to light, and are generally known.
The document you are about to read is real. It is no forgery, as alleged of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." or actual forgeries such as those of Anne Frank, or (more recently) Hitler's diary.
"TOP SECRET: Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, An introductory Programming Manual" was uncovered quite by accident on July 7th, 1986 when an employee of Boeing Aircraft Co. purchased a surplus IBM copier for scrap parts at a sale, and discovered inside details of a plan, hatched in embryonic days of the "Cold War" which called for control of the masses through manipulation of Industry, peoples' pastimes, education and political learning's. It called for a quite revolution, putting brother against brother, and diverting the public's attention from what is really going on.
For all intents and purposes, this document has "come to pass," much as Henry Ford, Sr. said the Protocols (regardless of their veracity) applied to the events of his day.
It is reprinted in its virgin form, with diagrams, as a touch of reality.
{Note; I removed the diagrams for reasons of ease of getting the information onto the internet.}
It is heavy reading, but it will (as it well should) spur you to read further, keep your eyes and ears open, and sound an alarm in Zion, for though she presently dwells with Babylon's daughter (Micah 4), her redemption draweth nigh.
Truth bears no fear.
--- TOP SECRET ---
SILENT WEAPONS FOR QUITE WARS
An introductory programing manual.
OPERATORS RESEARCH TECHNICAL MANUAL
TM-SW7905.1
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Security
Historical Introduction
Political Introduction
Energy
Descriptive Introduction of the Silent Weapon
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lets put mis information out there so we can track who is trying to gather information
The Gestapo was a secret police and its facilities were perfectly well known (and feared).
(Damn, I just broke Godwin's law...)
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Is the information is correct or just bogus data planted?
Is this "story" itself planted by the CIA? (not that we'd care either way)
2600? Funny number there.
Whatever the Chicago Tribune has uncovered, one might presume that they were expected to.
I suggest you read Slashdot
And even after all that they can probably sue for unfair dismissal.
..justification for even more restricive measures and uncontrolled gov't access and powers without any oversight than already exists.
Which would be easier for the CIA- to really fix and address a problem, or to make talking about problems a crime, necessitating secret interrogaton and incarceration of those who talk about what they see as concerns?
inspired to ... http://soren.org/gov/silent.html
:wq
Actually, you fulfilled Godwin's Law. (To paraphrase -- the number of posts in any given thread approaches infinity, the probability of an analogy to Nazism being mentioned approaches 1.) The only way that you may have, in fact, violated Godwin's Law is in your very mention of it, which may negate any "thread-ending" characteristics that an invocation of said law possesses.
They said that they won't disclose the search teqhniques they used, so can anyone take a crack at guessing? Do we have any google-fu masters here?
I'm not too sure this article should be posted under "your rights online". It should be more like "the CIA's rights online".
... look, the poor CIA are getting their privacy invaded because people are looking at what they've been searching for!! :-(
Maybe the CIA could get a blanket, some hot chocolate, and sit down with the DOJ to share their thoughts and feelings about this invasion of their privacy. Perhaps then the DOJ might stop trying to demand search data from Google.
Dyck
Now...
Is that pronounced 'dyke' or 'dick'?
How much time, money and news cycles did we waste with Valerie Plame? Google would have told you she was working undercover at Nathan's. They even knew about it in Duluth. Well, I guess "Scooter" deserves to prosecuted not for revealing a known "secret" but for being a grown man named "Scooter".
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
The CIA is changing. Give them time.
... complicated, and often the left hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Its the nature of the beast it's riding. (well, technically, it's in the belly of the beast, or perhaps the cloaca if you are HQ)
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The following article explains some of the issues behind the Tribune article
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/26366
The agency is
I have no doubt Goss is horrified. He just took over the CIA, and what GS manager would enjoy an outsider showing him a clear look at his department? And Goss hasn't had a chance ot fix things yet. THat is, if that's his goal...with the CIA, who knows?
By the way, didn't Goss inherit an agency that was once run by George Bush? It would explain a lot.
The CIA has other problems as well. The worse is that it facing some competition from private firms like StratFor(sorta like the US Post Office and Federal Express). It can't be much fun to be a world famous secret agency and having to explain to the Intelligence committee why you are being scooped by some small company in Austin,
For those of you who haven't heard of it, StratFor (http://www.stratfor.com/) is a private intelligence firm, with several hundred thousand customers, that is the CIA for multinationals and private individuals. It is considered somewhat more accurate than the CIA. http://seekerblog.com/archives/20050313/is-stratf
Hmm.. if the CIA is getting rid of people, that means they are hiring. I would like to apply as an intelligence analyst, or maybe an In Tel Q VC... (There is a rumor the easiest way to apply for a job with the CIA is write in on your computer and wait for ADVISE to pick it up. http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0209/p01s02-uspo.ht
... The Tribune has suddenly vanished without a trace. The offices are scrubbed clean, the files are empty, and there's a For Lease sign up by the building management company.
... Hundreds of families across Illinois have filed new missing persons reports this month, a drastic rise from the usual numbers. Oddly, a high percentage of the newly missing persons seem to have worked for the Chicago Tribune.
---- I'm out of your mind!
Come on guys, as this information has obviously been fabricated by the CIA in order to smoke out anyone trying to find info about them via the internet. Are the tin foil hats not tight enough today? This is the freaking CIA, they invented the mind-control ray! (No matter what the NSA would like you to believe).
Why not fork?
We used to refer to the CIA as "The Company"
Now, when saying "The Company", we'll be referring to Google.
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Ok, so like 90% of what CIA does is not covert operations. They actually employ secretaries and useless middle management folks like other organizations. Not everyone is a uber kool secret agent. In fact, that secret agent role is a tiny portion of what they do. see for yourselves.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
I believe this was all leaked to the papers. But look at what it's done. Now they're uncovering info on LOTS of other agents and exposing them (and this is done by the papers....the intelligence community did this back when it was first brought to light).
This is why you don't reveal the identities of intelligence officers.
http://www.cia.gov/robots.txt
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
..that has been possible, and if it has been only recently, whether the white house rat can use it as a defense.
As I get older, I become more gullible from seeing the most outrageous stuff become commonplace. And all too often, acceptable.
Do you want to know the nearest military facitlity?
t ary+factory+near+me
search: "secret military factory near me"
url: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=secret+mili
result: is probably different based on your current location and language settings
Well, I've got to get back to work. When I stop rowing, the slave ship just goes in circles.
Of interest to who?
Those who forgot that FOX persecuted its own journalists for trying to expose Monsanto's BGH artificial hormone scam? That Fox fought against the whisltleblowers by arguing that FOX was not obligated under freedom of speech to tell the truth? --And won! And that they continue to persecute the journalists? Those guys?
That's just one instance of FOX's bald faced lying and villainy. They are committed to lying for corporate and government interests. NOTHING they report is worth the spit it's sent on.
There are SO many gaping holes in FOX's integrity that I can only see three excuses for anybody buying into their propaganda. 1. Laziness, 2. Foolishness, or 3. Being Evil.
-FL
.... it means they are trying to take more of our rights away.
whether or not the story is true, it is in fact presenting the public with this idea that the freedom of research and press are dangerious to the government that is suppose to be protecting these rights.
There seems to be another story on slashdot at the moment along this same line.
Next thing you know we won't be allowed to talk to our neighbors without government approval.
When are enough people going to wake up and realize 9/11 was a direct result of US wrongful manipulation of world economy.
Do a search on "Trillion dollar bet" Read the transcript and realize that much money doesn't just appear or vanish into nowhere.
CIA employee information????? Huh? What?
Don't do others wrong and you won't have reason to be parionoid of retaliation.
The Gestapo had a secret branch whose facilities were not well known. They were, in fact, secret.
There was also a secret police not allied with the Gestapo, because the watchers needed to be afraid of someone as well. These were completely secret police who answered only to Hitler and/or Goering.
Yes, the Gestapo also had a public facing branch, if only because in order to rat out your neighbor you needed someplace to go to do it.
Perhaps the CIA, rather than being remiss in their duties for having a publicly accessable branch, actually have some clue as to what they are doing by having offices and phones that the general public are perfectly aware of.
And, of course, in America, the people watching the watchers are supposed to be "The People."
KFG
You know, it could just be a really clever diversion.
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Each is a collection of people. The problem is that the good-intentioned guys (who are aware enough to do any good), are few in number and are actively opposed by the bad elements from holding positions of power.
It's a logic circuit; power only moves in one direction. The Good Americans at the CIA and the Chicago Tribune by virtue of being Good, do not harass and terrorize and subvert the Bad Americans working at the CIA and the Chicago Tribune. The same cannot be said in the reverse. Thus, the Bad Americans rise in power while the Good Americans remain stationary or are pressed out. Allow enough time to pass, and the whole structure starts to stink.
-FL
what if all the leaked info is just a cover to make a cuase for the justic dept to be able to get access to search engine data and delete/change ndexes and data as needed to protect covert operations? In related news, I've spent several hours playing splintercell... does this qualify me as a CIA agent, now?
even the magic 8 ball has an opinion on email clients: Outlook not so good.
Real men use yigg
Right now the U.S. intelligence community is hamstrung by having to deal with something like 80 congressional committees for its funding. It is a national priority, the failure of which got 3,000+ civilians killed, but its not enough of a priority that we actually DO something about it.
Call or write your Senator today and indicate your support for streamlining their funding.
I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
Appears the newspaper is a bit anal when it comes to displaying the news. Do a google search as follows. First link is the story. Works fine that way.
b une&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.moz illa:en-US:official&percentage_served=100&sa=N&tab =wn
http://news.google.com/news?q=cia%20chicago%20tri
I understand how they can get employer and address information from a credit report...feed that to a telephone directory search...check out the location with Google Maps but...Where did the list of employees come from in the first place... Karl Rove?
I think the CIA would make us think they're not stupid enough to post this kind of information on the Internet. At least that's what I think...! I would realy question the validity of the information posted there.
Granted, the reporter found the information on the internet in publicly available information. Even if this information is not true, I think its more important to take steps not to publish this information found. The people that work for these agencies risk their lives to do what they do.
.. ironically, details of what happened along with the whereabouts of each missing person have turned up on Google. CIA unavailable for comment.
Next: Google founders kidnapped in broad daylight.
9/11
Need anyone say more?
I'd like to say yes for the simple reason that it's the only thing Bush and the other Republicans say when you try to confront them about their Orwellian wet-dreams.
No one noticed that is was about 2600 identites? :)
at some point, things that need to be secret must be kept that way to keep those of us with potentially treacherous intent from furthering their goals. Unfortunately, things done in secret are subject to improper shortcuts and other abuses of power. This is a tough issue, and unfortunately some abuses aren't discovered until well after the damage(if any real damage exists, sometimes not entirely clear)is done.
... for a dose of mashochism now and then led my remote to stop on Fox last night.
Wow. Holy Fucking Shit. They've gone off the deep end more than I suspected.
The few minutes my stomach could stand to watch before being forced to regurgitate my wonderful New Mexico Green Chile Posole, was 100% pure propaganda. I mean WWI, Wilson type propaganda. The segement was titled something like "Three ways to kick Iran's fucking ass: Booyah to the Mulahs!" The gist was that we'd waltz into Iran with an Army--I guess they left out the draft part in order to find enough 'willing' troops-- and kick some Axis of Evil ass. Fuck Yeah. They did leave out the part about the path being strewn with fragrant rose petals. Sigh.
Also, in direct response to your post, a 4th excuse:
4. Being Plain Fucking Stupid
A few years back I was in Paris France. There was a simply car to car rear end traffic accident - maybe $100 damage.
The French local police (are in fact centralized in France - one huge police force) - had roped off the street with yellow tape - has a special investigations van on site and were questioning the person responsibile for the bumper knock - at least 40 French police were there. A co-worker, I was with, turned to me and said: "we're lucky the are not smart".
Now we know that the CIA are not smart despite their gigantic budget and gigantic number of employees and "hired contract killers". We know they blew 9/11 - duh.... 30 people taking flying lessons and only learning to take off and not too land....duh. What's next?
No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories flying around (that I don't believe in).
I knew it! http://www.2600.com/ ;)
www.qsopht.com ~q
Or you've fallen for a hoax. "Quiet" and "Programming" are two spelling errors that you've corrected but not noted. Also, "Operator's" has an apostrophe.
Poor spell checking is a dead giveaway.
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
yeah their IT guy (in India) is gonna hear about this on Monday.
This is a dangerous criticism of the government and more specifically it's central intelligence service. Not that I think that the identities of covert CIA operatives should be exposed, endangering the lives of these people. But I'd rather not the government have too many more secret facilities thank you.
A satirical newspaper was able to expose a good part of the COs working in covert agencies. They all had studied in the same military academy (Saint Cyr, eq. West Point) and in order to have reunions sometimes they were listed in the alumni directory as belonging to bogus units...the existence of which being quite easy to check.
Google passes Turing test : see my journal
For anyone who is really interested in what the CIA does can read plenty about them. I think it is fair to say that it is kind of like a global covert police force for the US Elite. The CIA supports terrorism, US dollar hegemony, the global drug trade, US oil domination, assassinations, death squads, and who knows what else. Contrary to what most people believe, it does function in a domestic fashion. Also it appears that there is another group that is somewhat CIA, but has more plausible deniability called The Enterprise created under the former director (and Reagan campaign manager) William Casey.
Dark Alliance
Gold Warriors
Inside the Company: CIA Diary
Thy Will Be Done, The Conquest of the Amazon
The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush
The Outlaw Bank
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK
Plausible Denial
Cocaine Politics
The Politics of Heroin
The Iran-Contra Connection
Crossing the Rubicon
The Haunting of America
Secret Agenda
Killing Hope
JFK by Fletcher Prouty
The Secret Team by Fletcher Prouty
Confessions of an Economic Hitman
The Third Option by Ted Shackley
Powderburns, Cocaine, Contras and the Drug War
The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy by Turner and Christian
These CIA guys are people just like you and I. They happen to work for the US Government and they happen to do classified work. What possible motivation could a newspaper reporter have in uncovering covert agents, operations, and locations? The CIA is ON OUR SIDE guys.
Seems to be that the "first hit is free." Delete your cookies and reload it.
The article puts up some big numbers, but lest we forget a few things:
- The CIA is a BIG organization - it needs support personnel, etc. and they are not likely to ALL be undercover. Maintaining cover on accountants and receptionists would certainly be a big waste of resources.
- Most CIA positions are not undercover, including most analysts
The article admits a lot of this halfway down: "Not all of the 2,653 employees whose names were produced by the Tribune search are supposed to be working under cover. More than 160 are intelligence analysts, an occupation that is not considered a covert position, and senior CIA executives such as Tenet are included on the list."
So, in other words, the Tribune puts up a big number that is supposed to be shocking and then, after most people stop reading, admits it's not really that big a deal. The article does state, however:
"But an undisclosed number of those on the list--the CIA would not say how many--are covert employees, and some are known to hold jobs that could make them terrorist targets."
There must be at least one - given the example at the top of the article - but no one says how many. The discovery that 26 people are working at Camp Peary (AKA - "The Farm" of "The Recruit" fame) is equally unimpressive, as SOMEONE must work there for support staff, and the 26 individuals discovered are likely to be support staff, not trainers. The 17 aircraft aren't particularly interesting, either, as the CIA likely operates many aircraft openly. Big organizations like the CIA cannot maintain cover on EVERYTHING, nor do they try to, as this report implies
I'm of the opinion that this article boils down to the following:
- The Chicago Tribune tooting its own horn
- A cheap jab at Bush, which seems to represent "objective" journalism these days
- Sensationalist journalism - they put up big numbers, but those numbers are unlikely to actually mean anything
Many have jokingly said, "move along, nothing to see here". To be honest, I think those statements are accurate.
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- Both agents were doing everything but keeping a low profile in the days before the evacuation of the German Embassy in Iraq. Apparently they had no problems mingling with the press.
- Both had websites with pictures of their current postings. For example, one guy showed himself with his family at his new post in Australia.
- Their websites had guestbooks. Other agents left "well concealed" messages on there. For example, one post ended with "greetings from Pullach". The CIA equivalent of that would be "greetings from Langley".
Pretty bad...They probably get lots of things right, 95% of which they will never tell us about.
CIA agents can't rat on thier bosses for being asked to break the law. instead they leave clues that can be used to expoes illegal and immoral activity. That kiddnapping case in the article is a good example.
I love the quote "Dyck declined to detail the remedies "since we don't want the bad guys to know what we're fixing."" Yea right, you can still call yourselves the good guys?
Given such deadly threat to National Security and Integrity, with sunken heart, in an attempt to meet the demands of millions of concernbed citizens, we have decided to shut down the Internet. Thank you for understanding and good bye.
There are other connections between Google and the Intelligence community. Like this job ad and this.
Got to go, the black helicopters are circling. Remember, trust no one.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
The people have a right to know! And so does everyone else in the world!
Chicago Tribune on the Danish Cartoons:
Excerpts found by searching for "danish cartoons" in the Chicago Tribune search box. The stories themselves are not freely available.
Stephen Hobson
In any democracy the word "responsibility" must accompany the exercise of all our freedoms. The publication of the cartoons of Muhammad by the Danish press is just another example of someone falsely yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater without considering...
Ed Letchinger
Two editors of the Daily Illini were suspended from their posts following their publication of some of the Danish cartoons, and the Tribune and most other U.S. newspapers have avoided publishing them (Metro, Feb. 15). It is surprising to me that these...
In other words: We are being responsible by deciding what you the people don't need to see. We will make up your mind for you. Good dog.
From: President-VICE Richard B. Cheney
Attack Iraq. We'll make billions. Our U.S. citzens, or, rather, subjects, are illiterate and innumerate.
Feloniously as always,
Dick
Two Known CIA Assets... Steve Jobs & George Lucas
Criminals. Multidimensionally.
Being prosecuted.
One of those damn Montauk boys,
Shane Michael Neary (Archimedean)
"Steve Klingsporn"
Quite literally, the CIA has outlived its usefulness.
It is now creating more problems than it is solving.
There was also a secret police not allied with the Gestapo, because the watchers needed to be afraid of someone as well. These were completely secret police who answered only to Hitler and/or Goering.
Damn. Even the Nazis understood and practiced checks & balances better than us.
[ducking]
Exactly right. There was plenty of news about U.S. government support for Arab violence. It was definitely not a Secret with a big S.
But is was, effectively, a secret. The real meaning of U.S. government support for violence was not made clear to the American people. When the CIA stopped giving money for violence, those who had been trained in violence needed jobs. All they knew how to do was be violent, and that was not a good resume for a regular job. So, they looked around for other excuses for violence. The CIA calls that "Blowback". Blowback is seen by the CIA as a good thing, because it means more jobs and money and promotions for CIA people. The taxpayer funds what is, in effect, a partial overthrow of healthy government.
It's comparable to you working to fix your friend's computer, and you improve some problems with the computer, but while you are working on it you destroy his monitor. In any other field but secret government action, that would be seen as a failure.
The CIA releases information in a disconnected and uninformative way and then measures the impact with polls. The idea is to be a public as possible, without actually causing a true understanding.
You dumb fuck. You're asserting that "gubbmint agents" have better spelling than other people. Dumb cocksucker.
Keep in mind that this is one of the groups that wants to collect "your" personal info in the fight against terrorism. If they can't keep their own private business private... how much trust should I have in them with mine?
That was the whole point. They stood out like elephants in the living room. No one talked about them but their presence enforced submission.
Talking about the gestapo would cause them to pay you a visit. The FUD they generated just by _existing_ was invaluable to the Hitler regime.
The CIA, otoh, generates FUD as well but it is all internal. WHenever any of that FUD escapes into the wild someone in the US govt gets in trouble, which seems to happen about once a year.
"Will future ages believe that such stupid bigotry ever existed!" -- Ivanhoe
There was also a secret police not allied with the Gestapo, because the watchers needed to be afraid of someone as well. These were completely secret police who answered only to Hitler and/or Goering.
Do you refer to Sicherheitsdienst? A "sister" organization to the Gestapo according to Wikipedia. Not secret but with the task of finding enemies in the Nazi leadership and neutralization of said people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst
The easiest place to hide is in plain sight. People you see everyday don't raise suspicions. Its impossible to be invisible, but its not hard to convince people you're too boring to investigate.
Unfortunately the article doesn't mention which data broker Chicago Tribune used. It would've been interesting to have quotes from the company rep explaining how they're allowed to sell CIA operatives' information online.
The likely outcome of this is that all CIA records will quietly dissappear from the databases of many data brokers.
The desired outcome would, of course, be making selling other people's private information illegal, but that's like asking the Pope to convert to Islam.
In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
... is your friend.
Unfortunately, having a public resume is a good way to end up exactly like the individuals listed in the article. Good effort though.
They knew iraq wanted to invade, they told them, they asked them
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" can we invade ? its really ours, kuwait is stealing our oil "
and usa lady APril said, "sure we have no interests, we dont care"
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/iraq2.htm
25 July: Saddam Hussein was personally told by the US
ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, in a now-famous remark, that
"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
disagreement with Kuwait." But she then went on to tell the
Iraqi leader that she was concerned about his massive troop
deployment on the Kuwaiti border in the context of his
government's having branded Kuwait's actions as "parallel to
military aggression".{11}
Transcript here - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.
Photo here - http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/8
Shes recently retired, but will not speak against her department or the govt. Basicly a suck-up.
So the real people behind the so called bad CIA decisions are the people in power, James Baker, Bush, and
good old Rumfseld and the rest of the NEOCONS.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
yeah exactly. The guy is implying that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is not a forgery, and the diary of Anne Frank and Hitler are. Not to mention the link to a webpage stating that "rich international bankers has infiltrated the monetary supply systems". And the nut-job racist gets modded interesting and insightful. Nice one mods!
There's plenty of manipulation and fear-mongering going on in this world, but you don't need Jews or conspiracy theories for that -- just watch CNNFOX.
Deconstruct the State
Consider Oliver North - the guy who sold guns to Iran after it had decleared that the USA was the great satan - and then he gave the money he didn't skim off into his own pockets to a major drug dealer in Panama that later had to be removed by US military action.
At the same time a guy was branded a traitor and became stateless for playing good chess against a Russian.
Go crawl back under a rock, you lying neo-Nazi vermin.
The "Anne Frank is a forgery" lie has been around for half a century. It has been utterly debunked. In 1963, even the Nazi official who arrested her verified the truth.
For more info, see the Wikipedia article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Frank
Searches? CIA Employees?
...Oh well, just keep selling those tampons and deodorant; It will be over before long...
Our damn people are so stupid it does not matter; they won't care anyway. How about this one: the news media outlets spend hundreds of hours on a college girl who is bar hopping till 0430 but will not cover casualty reports from the battlefield.
I interviewed with the CIA. It was wired to succeed and they were drooling. Then came the round when I spoke to the supposed station chief for Europe, a singularly ridiculous woman who called herself 'Beth.' She revealed that my assignment would be to work as a "diplomat," in a "consular office," attend parties and try to recruit informants from the international political, diplomatic, and business communities. I said, "I'm new to this spying business, so forgive me if this question sounds a bit odd, but isn't that rather obvious? I mean, if I were a foreign counter-intelligence service, consulates and embassies would be places I'd watch minutely." She brushed that off. Then she gave me a series of 'what-if' scenarios in which I was to demonstrate quick thinking by improvising a solution under pressure; and the scenarios were so painfully silly and the solutions so incredibly obvious, that I was embarassed for her. It was like junior highschool thinking with a mean streak. The interview concluded, thanked her, and politely told her that I was not interested in accepting a position.
Four weeks later the woman's picture appeared on the front page of the NY times, having just been picked up by the Russians while posing as a "diplomatic officer" at a "consulate." One of the best laughs I've had in years.
In short, the answer to your statement is that, yes, the CIA are that stupid. Not stupid in the "I want you to think that I'm stupid so that you'll stop paying attention to me" kind of way, but in the actually retarded kind of way. With a mean, psychopathic streak.
I'm sure that's why Bush gave them the job of torturing people, because the people in the other actually somewhat competent agencies like the NSA and DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) probably said A) torture is ineffective, and B) what kind of sick bastard are you, you un-American piece of crap?
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
That's why George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence ("head spook"), got the Medal of Freedom award from George Bush.
When you represent corporate interests, your number one interest in the government is making it unable to protect people from your corporate operations. The "antigovernment party" controlling the government is like the cat party controlling the mouse guild.
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They had undercover operatives in the Gestapo and other government agencies, hence the "secret" part.
President Muffley: "This is preposterous. I've never approved of anything like that."
DeSadeski: "Our source was the New York Times."
That's an AOL WEB site and a conspiracy theorist WEB site. Might you have something a little less biased?
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In the cases of both the danish cartoons and the CIA records, the paper published the facts around the issue, but not the actual cartoons, nor the actual operatives names and addresses.
Regarding the cartoons, I recall reading a half page editorial on why exactly the Tribune chose to refrain from printing the cartoons. IIRC, they had previously printed the URLs of web sites where the cartoons could be found online, but decided that reproducing the actual 'toons would be in bad taste. Similar justification was provided by the New York Times, etc.
That, and they didn't want to be bombed by the extremist arm of the "religion of peace", not that anybody will ever admit that in print.
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From the article you cited: "... all available evidence suggests that bin Laden was never funded, trained or armed by the CIA."
That is my understanding, after considerable reading. AND... it is not relevant.
Osama bin Laden did not need money or arms. He had millions of dollars of his own money; he was extremely wealthy and had connections with other extremely wealthy people who wanted to fund his ideas.
Here's part of what the CIA gave bin Laden, perhaps completely indirectly:
A deep understanding of how to be an efficient terrorist: What bin Laden needed was the CIA's manuals that tell how to be a terrorist. There was a news story about an Arab terrorist manual that had been found, and some of the text was quoted. The U.S. government stopped the quoting. However, before it was stopped, it was completely obvious that the original language of the terrorist manual was certainly not Arab and it seemed obvious to me that it was American English.
Jobless people trained in violence: When the U.S. government's largely secret support for aggression against Russia was finished, all those trained in violence and CIA terrorist methods needed work. Their resumes did not support getting jobs as rug merchants; all they knew was violence. That was the CIA's second biggest contribution to OBL: A huge group of people trained in and looking for violence.
Followers who hated U.S. government interference and violence: Other incidents of what the CIA calls "Blowback" provided strong reasons to hate U.S. government intervention. Also, many people in the U.S. government have a difficult time understanding this, but Arabs don't like to be killed.
A huge cache of modern missiles and explosives: Sure, maybe there was never a formal transfer of weapons to OBL, with contracts signed and handshakes, but a huge number of weapons and a huge amount of weapons material were left, and became available to OBL.
Watch a movie about 9/11:
No evidence of body part of Arabs was ever found. Some of the "Arab terrorists" named by the U.S. government later were found to be alive and working in Arab countries.
World Trade Center building 7 fell in exactly the same way as WTC 1 and 2, and it was NOT hit by an airplane. ALL the collapses looked exactly like controlled demolitions.
Watch the interesting movie Loose Change. It is a work in progress, but already very informative.
Another article by Larry Johnson about how thin the Chicago Tribune article is.
Sure once you are told who might be a CIA agent you can find lots of information about them on the web. However, can you determine that a person is an agent from information on the web?
That is really the question.
That's what it's called and it can and will happily exist in both government and private sides. How to successfully avoid it is one of life's great mysteries.
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The reason is that information is what you get when you compare one piece of data in the light of another, independent piece of data. In the right circumstances, a very small and by itself uninformative piece of data can be just the right piece you need. Of course it helps to have a knack for this sort of thing.
I've personally in several cases satisfied myself that with a little effort is not difficult at all to find people who don't want to be found or identify people who don't want to be identified, by piecing together bits of data from free public database. If you're willing to spend a small amount of money, it becomes childlishly simple.
The power of the Internet search engine is to sift though a vast body of individually uniformative facts; combine this with services like people finder services and on-line credit reports, and what you have amounts to the end of privacy and anonymity. The only thing which protects most of us is how uniteresting we are.
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Just for the record here..CIA agents are civilians who are paid informants for the CIA and can be a national of any country other than the United States. CIA officers are actual employees of the CIA and are often noc officers or para military officers.
Nice try. There was no magic required. In fact, the government HAD detected the 9/11 plot (August PDB, anyone?). Not to mention the various sniffs the FBI had about the eventual hijackers studying takeoffs but not landings, etc. The problem was that Bush was more interested in continuing his vacation than responding to the PDB, and various of his cronies appointed to other high positions didn't see fit to follow up on other warnings.
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Because they can now prove that the data about her profession was in the public domain the whole time. This smells very fishy to me.
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What was so magical about the 6 August 2001 President Daily Brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States"?
Nothing short of magic could have enabled that illiterate incompetent imbecille to read his PDB.