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Music Based on Fibonacci Sequence and Stock Market
Gary Franczyk writes "A band named Emerald Suspension has made an album named Playing the Market that is, as they put it: "structured based on patterns created by the stock market, economic indicators, algorithms". They have some songs based off of the Fibonacci sequence, the misery and consumer confidence indices, and the national debt. "
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Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
and the national debt.
Somewhere dogs are barking.
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
1. Mathematics is the language of nature.
2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge.
Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature
the tempered scale... why is this exciting? music is math.
The first one sounds kind of like Pyramid Song by radiohead, but really this data doesn't make great music. You can make disjointed noise easily enough, and I'd guess no-one has any pressing need to listen to the stock market.
Maybe Philip Glass could make a symphony out of this stuff, but these guys unfortunately can't (from the samples). It isn't musical enough to not be background noise.
Experimental: yes, music: no.
Interesting idea, though. I think this could make a great backing noise to a Godspeed You Black Emperor! song or something.
It was clearly stated as being based on various patterns. As such it is anything but random. Could people please stop moderating based on opinions and start looking a little more objectively? A fallacy isn't insightful by any means.
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I think Einstürzende Neubauten would beg to differ.
The ones posting slashdot comments demonstrating an ignorance of the subject matter?
What would happen if one creates an algorithm which composes music out of real-time stock exchange data? I guess this would be an interesting project for someone to create. You would hear music related to the mood of Market, depressing when it's dropping and happy music when the stocks are climbing.
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reminds me of the cd by Mamoru Fujieda titled Patterns of Plants in which music was composed based on the data taken from plants. The data is taken by PLANTRON which is an interface that botanist Yuji Dogane devised for researching living organisms through observation of the relationship between plants and the environment. This disc was released on John Zorn's tzadik label back in '97. very relaxing. if you like this music of the stock market then give this plant disc a spin or two.
the song Lateralus by Tool is based on the Fibonacci Sequence
there's even been discoveries of the whole album Lateralus having some type of relationship with the sequence
One, One, Two, Three, Five, Eight, Thirteen, Twenty-One... Mathematics is the language of nature
THe drum line in Lateralus is a fibonacci sequence. Some folks thought that it was a clue that you should listen to the album in a different order.
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While I have no idea if this is valid or not (the band has been quiet), I do listen to the album in that order. It's actually a better album, I believe, in that sequence.
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This was already done a long time ago:
Did Bela Bartok (and others) do the exact same thing back in the 1930s and 40s?
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The same can be said of more or less every record on the market since 1985.
This is a bit like reality TV. No planning involved, just get some equipment and see what happens automatically. The result is something that consumers will consume, but it isn't high in quality, just cheap to produce.
I want television shows with scripts and plots.
I want music that has been carefully composed and made to sound good.
But the silliest feature of all was that if you wanted your company accounts represented as a piece of music, it could do that as well. Well, I thought it was silly. The corporate world went bananas over it." Reg regarded him solemnly from over a piece of carrot poised delicately on his fork in front of him, but did not interrupt. "You see, any aspect of a piece of music can be expressed as a sequence or pattern of numbers," enthused Richard. "Numbers can express the pitch of notes, the length of notes, patterns of pitches and lengths. . " "You mean tunes," said Reg. The carrot had not moved yet. Richard grinned. "Tunes would be a very good word for it. I must remember that." Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective agency. :-D
I've been messing around with using various mathematical patterns in a series of experimental electronic pieces for a while now. Guess I've been beaten to the punch. *grrr*
1 is the square root of all evil.
Back in 1991 Fiorella Tirenzi created music based on radio astronomy data. I'm betting she's easier to look at than the folks who produced the stock market music.
I thought the recent competition to make music based on the sounds of failing hard drives was a lot more fun. The competition was won by a song that was made entirely out of dying harddrive sound samples.
My dad has been kind of behind these stock methods for quite a few years. This http://www.tfnn.com/u_article06.php is specifically the method that he uses (yes, he's a subscriber to tfnn).
My dad is pretty analytical and does not adopt stuff blindly. From the trades he has shown me he has been quite successful using this method. One benefit is that at least you have clear entry/exit points, so you tend not to hold onto losers.
Throughout the ages many composers (J.S. Bach/Schubert/Bartok), have used the fibonacci numbers in their works: http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibon acci/fibInArt.html#music
Many contemporary composers like Ligeti and Chowning use mathmatical formulas like the fibonacci number as well.
So, how is this news... most students in music are supposed to have remembered this from their classes ;)
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And clearly, it's hideous.
WAY back in the day the guys at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory took a mini computer (this was pre micros) and wired it to racks of solinoids on a massive church organ.
Both keyboards AND the bass pedals.
They programed it to play Bach and recorded an album called Unplayed by Human Hands.
I have been looking for this album for THIRTY YEARS.
It has NEVER come up on eBay and p2p has never heard of it
Can ANYONE help me, please?
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....and not a single reference to Darren Arnofsky's Pi? For shame Slashdot, for shame.
If you studied music seriously you would know Bach used Fibonacci in many of his pieces. Most notable the Well Tempered Clavier, Composers have been using it for hundred of years.
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[FIBONACCI!]
It was an action flick.
Pan-Man kicked backwards
attackers
sent by the sexy matadortress
from her Spanish fortress.
[Of course, the film was torturous!]
Lloyd Kaufman's masterpiece
achieving wide release.
Logos in the marquees
said 'Pac-Man', with the C's
rotated ninety degrees.
Troma
had a premiere at the MOMA.
Poloma
wore her signature aroma.
Yo-Yo Ma
said 'Nihoma!'
and had Pan's Evergreen diploma
shown to Williams and Sonoma!
Perhaps life really is full of possibilities.
Should we be pleased or worried that ideas from the twisted mind of Douglas Adams are coming true? He predicted something akin to this in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
Some of you might also enjoy Hard 'n Phirm' http://pi.ytmnd.com/
Is it anything like the pi song? Threeeee point one four one five nine two six five three five eight nine seven nine three...
Why do we not read, rather, that "an ensemble has created compositions" based on...(etc.)
Varèse, Stockhausen, Cage and Penderecki were creating their works long before pop musicians ever tried "going serious," after all.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
I think there are an infinite number of contexts for the data to go into anyway, how you fit it into the composition. It's obviously got to drive something to make the sound and that part is as if not more important than the data itself. IMO it's a gimmick, it's been done before, and if someone listens to and likes the sound of it it doesn't matter anyway.
Why does this even matter? Academics and other "professiona" composers, the ones that get chairs at Universities that you will never hear on the radio, have been making far weirder algorithmic pieces for years. I'm a composition major at the University of Buffalo and I've taken classes in this kind of thing. You know, there was a period of music in the 1940's to 1960's where all "professional" academic music was mathematical and nearly all pieces were based off various mathematical algorithms. I've heard a few based on the factorial sequence, the digits of pi, you name it.
But nobody pays attention until a pop band does it.
check this too: http://i-found-my-holygrail.blogspot.com/
...sound like?
I prefer Prof Wolfgang Fledermaus' seminal piece constructed from the wavelet decomposition of non-integer otter functions. Prof Fledermaus was sadly killed in a bizarre accident after attempting to take the square root of a badger by inserting it into his anal cavity. A fatal case of a ring modulation cascade resonance scenario. Fortunately his elegant proof of subharmonic fluid damped brown pipe resonance survives along with a recording taken in the final moments of his existence.
Don't try this at home kids, algorthimic composition with semi aquatic rodents CAN KILL INSTANTLY.
In the days long gone, before the mp3s or even the web itself there were projects at NSCA. One was called Mosaic. Another one was Collage. Mosaic grew to become The Web while Collage withered. Among other things, Collage was about presenting scientific data in novel was, such as audio. That was ca. 1992.
In 1990, for an electronic music course I took in college, I used several decades worth of stock market data from a book entitled "Don't sell stocks on Monday" to create a composition for an assignment on aleatoric music. Can I claim prior art?
Frankly, this guy's off his rocker:
He's suggesting that there is some sort of subconscious or mystic encoding of information that cannot withstand lossy encoding.(%i1) factor(777353);
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I'm making a song based on my mod-point history, called "Offtopic Overrated Troll".
Table-ized A.I.
Its about 600% better than any Nelly or Britney Spears song!
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Just give it to some indie kids and tell them they're lost songs from the early days of Pavement. They'll claim it's the greatest music ever created. Seriously.
I wish I could tell you that it was Back before my time, but in truth it is more like Bach in the day.
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The Fibbonacci Sequence by BT (Brian Transeau).
The only lyrics in the song are the Fibbonacci Sequence (go figure).
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I can't wait for their next album, based on patterns in the Billboard Hot 100, numerical values of translated words in several of the Gnostic Gospels, and the 1200th - 3600th digits of pi.
Its tentatively titled "Rks)*;s j1Fno-QQ lspw%3-sl;0".
PS You can get similar effects on a Linux box by catting various files to /dev/audio; /dev/hd0 or /dev/random for instance. Here's a good reference. I actually tried piping the mouse to audio once and got something like the results described; I was on the verge of recording some "mouseophone" music when I think I got bored and went on to something else.
Fibonacci relations abound in art and music. This is nothing new. A text that discusses this in some length with regards to the famous Hungarian composer Bela Bartok is Erno Lendvai's Bela Bartok: An Analysis of His Music. Lendvai makes a very compelling case even though Bartok never explicitly stated on record his use of such devices. It should be noted that Bartok was a pantheist so that might explain some of his desire to use patterns in nature.
Algorithmic composition has been around for quite some time but really took off with the advent of "computer music". Different motivations exist for algorithmic composition but they are interesting. Unfortunately, these motivations are often more interesting than the resultant music IMO. A good environment to quickly do algorithmic composition in is the Common Lisp/Common Music environment as a front end to Csound.
Stochastic composition was invented by Iannis Xenakis. He used probabilistic densitiesm modeled after physical phenomena such as diffusion of gases to compose some of his works. His rather difficult to digest text Formalized Music discusses his methods.
John Cage pioneered aleatoric composition in which he used chance to make compositional choices. It was largely a reaction to the fact that so-called integral serialism, a highly deterministic system of total control, yielded works that were so difficult for most people to comprehend that they essentially sounded random.
The band discussed here really isn't doing anything new. If they do it extremely well though, then more power to them but I leave that judgement up to the individual listener.
Well back in the days of DOS, I was inspired by ideas like this to create music from "towers of hanoi" (thats the game with the 3 towers where you move discs)
I don't quite recall the details but I think it involved mapping frequencies to the towers and durations to the height or something like this.
The hardest part of it was to get any decent sound out of the PC speakers; but I solved this elegantly by not playing a single sound, but a mix of sounds, which was again based on the Towers of Hanoi algo.
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This is old news.. some guys already did this back in the past century, according to Mario Livio, who wrote the book named Golden Ratio, which, by the way, is a good read...
For all those that are seriously interested in the mathematical implications of music / musical implications of mathematics, may I advise the book Music and Mathematics From Pythagoras to Fractals?
I'm sorry it is so ridiculously expensive, but it is a really nice collection of essays of all the different roles mathematics has played in music, from the ancient Greeks to modern composition. Since it is a bundle, not every essay is a masterpiece, but most are really good.
\. readers will love the story on Daniel Strähle (duh, only a couple of lines in Wikepedia, 14 pages in the book) a Swedish craftsman who, in 1743, found a simple method for approximating the 12th root of 2. Only to te be dismissed and cast into oblivion by the mathematician John Faggot - because of an error on John Faggot's part.
Other essays I really liked were on Helmholtz' work on combinational tones and consonance, and on the patterns used in 'Ringing the changes' - the British way of ringing church bells. Be warned however that most of the composition pieces are hard to understand if you aren't into reading compositions from paper.
(this CD) + (Mad Money (sound off)) = Psychic TV.
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Math Rock is nothing new. Progressive Rock at it's nerdiest and most pointless.
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But I have a song coming out on my new 7" based on the decimal expansion of e, plugged through a really primitive Apple IIe sequencer my friend wrote:
http://www.thefirstpunicwar.com/PunkRock.mp3
Fibonacci appears in a list of 20 inventions Muslims contributed to make our world, for his work importing Muslim mathematics to Europe hundreds of years after they were produced.
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The composer Sofia Gubaidulina made wide use of the Fibbonaci sequence in the 1980s, happy to find a way of systemization that still allowed the form to "breathe". Her 1986 symphony "Stimmen... Verstummen..." is a notable example: the length of its movements grow ever shorter according to the sequence. In the 9th movement is a conductor's "solo", where he motions before a silent orchestra, the distance between his hands growing ever larger according to the sequence. In the 1990s she began using the Lucas and Evanglist series as well, whose aesthetic imperfection alongside the divine harmony of the Fibonacci sequence makes tantalizing listening. See V. Tsenova's thesis Zahlenmystik in der Music von Sofia Gubaidulina for a musicological analysis.
That's only one example. Per Norgard may be mentioned as well, his third symphony abounds in Golden Section references. And, as others have already posted, Bartok used the sequence heavily in his work.
Music: a super-stimulus for the perception of musicality. Musicality: a perceived aspect of speech.
Also created music based on Stock market patterns, and mathematical sequences. If I remember correctly he developed a musical system based on this kind of thing. It doesn't read like normal sheet music. It actually looks more like a bar graph kind of thing.