Leave it to a lowly, trollish coward to try to make this into a pissing contest. I do not have an issue with there being facilities that are bigger/smaller than ones I have worked in, and I'm certainly not trying to impress anyone. That said, I'm simply taking issue with the idea that it's even POSSIBLE to build a datacenter in 60 days.
So, really, I'm arguing semantics and terminology here and not jockeying for "penile superiority". It is impressive if they can pull off this upfit in 60 days (although since it appears that the site's already slashdotted, I'm wondering if 60 days was enough time). But to try to equate it with building a full-on datacenter from the ground up in 60 days (grading, excavation, construction, generator order/installation, ups order/installation, commissioning, etc ) is a bit of a stretch in my book.
Sorry if I stepped on your toes there, lil' fella.
I think that's a little bit of wishful thinking. With the shift to online apps, the increase in streaming media, and general hunger for bandwidth/throughput (especially on corporate LAN's), I'd say that while it's true that advances in server design and virtualization has enabled the IT industry to do more with current equipment, the "market" that those products/services serve have stepped up their demand as well. The idea that datacenters are serving a static need just plainly isn't true. The demand for increased speed, storage, processing power will continue to increase at a rate reciprocal to datcenters' ability to provide it.
Pipe's DC3 facility will be about 4,800 square feet and will be able to accommodate 170 server racks.
I'm sorry, but 4,800 square feet and room/capacity for 170 server racks is a SERVER ROOM not a DATACENTER. I'm not trying to troll here, but this mis-use of the word datacenter gets old. The time/effort/planning/money it takes to build a datacenter is exponentially more complicated than to upfit an area to accommodate a few server racks.
In short, sticking in a few Liebert CRACs and a little 150kva UPS does not constitute "building a datacenter".
If this worked then there would already be investors lined up who have sent messages to themselves from the future.
it could be that you can't send messages back any earlier than the time the message was created, effectively only slowing time down so it take less time for the message to arrive. Less time could be no time at all so the message arrives when it's sent.
The trouble is that there is no such thing as universal simultaneity.
Not trolling here, and admittedly off-topic, but may I introduce you to a lovely little tag ---> br You make a good point in your post, but it's tough to read.
Yamanaka found that one of the factors seems to contribute to cancer in 20% of his chimaeric mice.
I guess you MIGHT call that a bit of a downside. I don't know how many people trying to relieve some of their Parkinson's Disease or Diabetes symptoms are going to be cool with a 20% chance of "trading up" to cancer.
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Not true. Most wet cell batteries used in commercial UPS Systems' battery strings claim a life of 15-20 years with a realistic life of 8-10 years (slightly less for valve regulated batteries, though they're less common). Also, while it's true that the batteries are "measured"/monitored while not being "used" (e.g. voltage, temperature, specific gravity, internal resistance, etc), they are not fully discharged and then charged automatically.
The only time your batteries should be being discharged at all is when you're experiencing an emergency and are transferring to generator, when you are experiencing a brief undervoltage from your utility provider, or when you are performing a load test of your UPS system. Other than that, there should be no discharging of your batteries going on at all. If there is, you have a problem and are radically shortening the life of your batteries.
Customers did not want to have to solve this problem themselves, they wanted industry leaders, their vendors, to solve the interoperability problem for them, he said.
"The only way that's possible is for companies to really be open to licensing arrangements and building these bridges that people thought were impossible before, among different providers and among different software development models," he said.
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
True enough, but that doesn't make the practice any less deceptive. They marketed something to get you into the door planning all along to run out "accidentally" so they can up-sell you to something else. You're right, your example is more of a classic "rip off", but I still think it's dirty pool to pull this kind of crap. That said, I dunno if we can hold Best Buy accountable exclusively for this. How many other businesses (car dealerships, apartment communities, grocery stores, etc) pull this same crap?
I know it's not Loss Leader, it's abuse of the Loss Leader strategy (which is why I stated it as such). It's set up so they have "plausible deniability" if someone questions why they don't have the originally listed item. You know, something along the lines of:
Customer: "Where are the 256MB sticks of PC 2700 for $19?"
Employee: "We sold them much faster than we expected to. It must be that great special. Can I show you these 512MB sticks for $39.99?"
I agree with that. It seems to me that kind of thing happens a lot and is a blatant abuse of the old Loss Leader sales strategy. I can't figure out why they don't get nailed for it.
If you're getting hundreds or thousands of spam emails every day in your inbox, then you clearly should find some other means of communication as it would seem that email is too tricky and complicated for you.
However, the rest of us who know enough to keep decent spam filters turned on and updated and have mastered the "secret art" of having several dummy email accounts to enter into various online forms (which will in turn get loaded with spam) will keep using this "bankrupt" communication tool. I get MAYBE 2 - 3 spam emails that get by my filters in a day. I get NONE at my work email (and yes, I send a fair amount of email). I just think it's a cop out for laziness when people claim to be drowning in spam. They've obviously made errors in judgement in the past and have "compromised" their email address. It may be time for a new address which should be protected and provided only to those who need it, but to forsake the entire medium is ridiculous.
You've hit the nail on the head with the idea of "official training". An employer isn't going to care at all if you claim that you've got x years experience administering your own network of Linux boxes. People can claim lots of things. If, however, you do go in for some "real" training classes, you gain the ability to document what you've learned (or in some cases already knew going in). Personally, I do think it's a bit if a racket that you have to pay some organization to certify that you know what you claim to know, but in the corporate world, it's the price of doing business.
I think there are a lot of musicians that have this mindset and that it is not necessarily unique
I'd second that. As a musician/composer myself, I have found that the advent of the internet (combined with my growing a little older and hopefully more mature) has changed my goals as an artist. In 1989, all I wanted to do was get my band signed to record deal so we could open for Guns N' Roses on their next world tour. Now? I'd just like to license enough songs to filmmakers/producers or sell tracks to people who dig cool/interesting/unique music and make a decent middle class living (as I do now in my day job).
I used to think I wanted to make millions of dollars with my music. Now, while I wouldn't turn down the millions, I'd feel like I hit the lottery if I could just provide a decent living for my family by exclusively selling/licensing music. It's no longer wildly optimistic for this to happen with the internet. It makes it possible for an unknown to become known. It also makes it possible for people to contact others in the industry that they would not otherwise have been able to get in touch with. I've made a number of good contacts in television and independent movie forums that would've been next to impossible 10-15 years ago, all because I took my old piece of crap Compaq and made it a server to host my own website.
Hey, it hasn't happened yet, I still need the "straight job" to help pay the bills, but it builds every day. Hopefully, I'll garner enough interest to be able to quit and concentrate on making music and being a father. With guys like John Coulton leading the way, there's hope for guys like me.
I'm not sure I buy this story. IF (and that's a BIG IF) a technician were to have "wired that message in as a full alarm", the module would have tripped to Global Bypass. You'd still have utility power, so there'd be no problem (till you had to re-synch the UPS and go back online, but you could schedule when to do that). Your generator shouldn't have had a need to come on if you were having a UPS only problem. Also, I don't know what make/model of UPS you had or more importantly who the installer/technician was, but they'd have to have been a real "cowboy" to have made a change like this.
"It's an exponential step forward, and we're very excited," Roberts said. "What consumers actually do with all this speed is up to the imagination of the entrepreneurs of tomorrow."
Well, let's just say that it's a pretty safe bet that Hi-Def Boobies will be involved.
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Leave it to a lowly, trollish coward to try to make this into a pissing contest. I do not have an issue with there being facilities that are bigger/smaller than ones I have worked in, and I'm certainly not trying to impress anyone. That said, I'm simply taking issue with the idea that it's even POSSIBLE to build a datacenter in 60 days.
So, really, I'm arguing semantics and terminology here and not jockeying for "penile superiority". It is impressive if they can pull off this upfit in 60 days (although since it appears that the site's already slashdotted, I'm wondering if 60 days was enough time). But to try to equate it with building a full-on datacenter from the ground up in 60 days (grading, excavation, construction, generator order/installation, ups order/installation, commissioning, etc ) is a bit of a stretch in my book.
Sorry if I stepped on your toes there, lil' fella.
I think that's a little bit of wishful thinking. With the shift to online apps, the increase in streaming media, and general hunger for bandwidth/throughput (especially on corporate LAN's), I'd say that while it's true that advances in server design and virtualization has enabled the IT industry to do more with current equipment, the "market" that those products/services serve have stepped up their demand as well. The idea that datacenters are serving a static need just plainly isn't true. The demand for increased speed, storage, processing power will continue to increase at a rate reciprocal to datcenters' ability to provide it.
I'm sorry, but 4,800 square feet and room/capacity for 170 server racks is a SERVER ROOM not a DATACENTER. I'm not trying to troll here, but this mis-use of the word datacenter gets old. The time/effort/planning/money it takes to build a datacenter is exponentially more complicated than to upfit an area to accommodate a few server racks.
In short, sticking in a few Liebert CRACs and a little 150kva UPS does not constitute "building a datacenter".
Pffft...everyone knows that really intelligent people have already figured this out.
Not trolling here, and admittedly off-topic, but may I introduce you to a lovely little tag ---> br
You make a good point in your post, but it's tough to read.
I guess you MIGHT call that a bit of a downside. I don't know how many people trying to relieve some of their Parkinson's Disease or Diabetes symptoms are going to be cool with a 20% chance of "trading up" to cancer.
Methinks thou dost protest too much. In other words, you may want to calm down a bit, you're sounding a little anxious (or jealous?).
Not true. Most wet cell batteries used in commercial UPS Systems' battery strings claim a life of 15-20 years with a realistic life of 8-10 years (slightly less for valve regulated batteries, though they're less common). Also, while it's true that the batteries are "measured"/monitored while not being "used" (e.g. voltage, temperature, specific gravity, internal resistance, etc), they are not fully discharged and then charged automatically.
The only time your batteries should be being discharged at all is when you're experiencing an emergency and are transferring to generator, when you are experiencing a brief undervoltage from your utility provider, or when you are performing a load test of your UPS system. Other than that, there should be no discharging of your batteries going on at all. If there is, you have a problem and are radically shortening the life of your batteries.
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I'm not sure about Safari, but as far as Opera goes, this article says that it supports it.
True enough, but that doesn't make the practice any less deceptive. They marketed something to get you into the door planning all along to run out "accidentally" so they can up-sell you to something else. You're right, your example is more of a classic "rip off", but I still think it's dirty pool to pull this kind of crap. That said, I dunno if we can hold Best Buy accountable exclusively for this. How many other businesses (car dealerships, apartment communities, grocery stores, etc) pull this same crap?
I know it's not Loss Leader, it's abuse of the Loss Leader strategy (which is why I stated it as such). It's set up so they have "plausible deniability" if someone questions why they don't have the originally listed item. You know, something along the lines of:
Customer: "Where are the 256MB sticks of PC 2700 for $19?"
Employee: "We sold them much faster than we expected to. It must be that great special. Can I show you these 512MB sticks for $39.99?"
I agree with that. It seems to me that kind of thing happens a lot and is a blatant abuse of the old Loss Leader sales strategy. I can't figure out why they don't get nailed for it.
If you're getting hundreds or thousands of spam emails every day in your inbox, then you clearly should find some other means of communication as it would seem that email is too tricky and complicated for you.
However, the rest of us who know enough to keep decent spam filters turned on and updated and have mastered the "secret art" of having several dummy email accounts to enter into various online forms (which will in turn get loaded with spam) will keep using this "bankrupt" communication tool. I get MAYBE 2 - 3 spam emails that get by my filters in a day. I get NONE at my work email (and yes, I send a fair amount of email). I just think it's a cop out for laziness when people claim to be drowning in spam. They've obviously made errors in judgement in the past and have "compromised" their email address. It may be time for a new address which should be protected and provided only to those who need it, but to forsake the entire medium is ridiculous.
Nicely done, although it should have been...
"Hey, Peter. Whaaat's happening?"
You've hit the nail on the head with the idea of "official training". An employer isn't going to care at all if you claim that you've got x years experience administering your own network of Linux boxes. People can claim lots of things. If, however, you do go in for some "real" training classes, you gain the ability to document what you've learned (or in some cases already knew going in). Personally, I do think it's a bit if a racket that you have to pay some organization to certify that you know what you claim to know, but in the corporate world, it's the price of doing business.
So can we assume you're one of the FLUNKING students?
I used to think I wanted to make millions of dollars with my music. Now, while I wouldn't turn down the millions, I'd feel like I hit the lottery if I could just provide a decent living for my family by exclusively selling/licensing music. It's no longer wildly optimistic for this to happen with the internet. It makes it possible for an unknown to become known. It also makes it possible for people to contact others in the industry that they would not otherwise have been able to get in touch with. I've made a number of good contacts in television and independent movie forums that would've been next to impossible 10-15 years ago, all because I took my old piece of crap Compaq and made it a server to host my own website.
Hey, it hasn't happened yet, I still need the "straight job" to help pay the bills, but it builds every day. Hopefully, I'll garner enough interest to be able to quit and concentrate on making music and being a father. With guys like John Coulton leading the way, there's hope for guys like me.
I'm not sure I buy this story. IF (and that's a BIG IF) a technician were to have "wired that message in as a full alarm", the module would have tripped to Global Bypass. You'd still have utility power, so there'd be no problem (till you had to re-synch the UPS and go back online, but you could schedule when to do that). Your generator shouldn't have had a need to come on if you were having a UPS only problem. Also, I don't know what make/model of UPS you had or more importantly who the installer/technician was, but they'd have to have been a real "cowboy" to have made a change like this.
Well, let's just say that it's a pretty safe bet that Hi-Def Boobies will be involved.
In fairness, every publicly traded company is for sale. It's just a matter of finding a price/offer the shareholders can't pass up.
Mods, give this guy a +1 Funny. Now I gotta find that DVD and watch it again.
It's too damn hot for a penguin to be just walkin' around
1000k=1000*1000=1000000
I tell ya what, cause I'm a nice guy, I'll do it for HALF that!
A real reason to grow that combination push broom/handle bar moustache I've been waiting for!!