Regardless of what windows swaps in or out it's taking 120MB as shown from the task manager. Meaning that that amount of ram is taken and won't be usable ever. With free -m you get the memory footprint of linux. I'm not familiar with knoppix maybe older versions of KDE took more? I recall 3.2 being very sluggish and never ran 3.3 at all, now that I have 3.4 I can see it's improved a LOT. However I don't doubt there are better ways to measure ram usage I just thought that task manager and free were good enough. Sorry if I was wrong.
Indeed Microsoft has done very good things and very bad things. It's not really about underestimating them, it's more like every "big" product they released always contained some things that made me sneer. So let's all look forward to a better windows since that's what everyone's using at the moment. Whether or not IT will benefit from any Microsoft product is debatable (you know, licenses, competition etc etc, this would be off topic) but better products are always a good thing although recently the value of a software has become, regrettably, only of secondary importance, the license it's released under being the most important thing (as in "this is good because nobody can use it against you"). As a side note, about what you're running on your pcs, that's ok. I wasn't implying you're not knowledgeable or biased or anything, indeed I asked you to clarify for the exact opposite reasons. And as an utterly unrelated but very interesting side note, Douglas Adams ROXXORZ:D
How much RAM does it take to get a system tray icon to appear in Gnome or KDE?
No idea, however: Gentoo Linux, KDE 3.4.0. Right after getting to the KDE desktop ram usage is 85 megs. Windows with only 3 of the many services running: 120. That's quite a big difference, imho.
I don't know much about win multitasking, however most apps I used before switching to Linux took definitely less than 5 seconds to start and my hard drive definitely still makes noise every time it has to do some i/o. Handling graphics in a webpage was the last thing I had problems with while using IE. Not sure about what the hell your post is about but it's definitely uninformative and my hard drive definitely made noise when it stored it in the cache although I'm under gentoo linux.
What's the basis for saying this? I'm a gnu/linux advocate but I'll be happier every time something new and good comes out. So, what makes you think that Longhorn will be more stable, have new stuff and be more secure? What we've seen until now is the old strategy of promising the moon and delivering a pebble. 3D stuff on the desktop isn't anything new and we have it already running on linux. WinFS isn't coming. What about the rest? Is there anything tangible you're willing to show? Otherwise we'll have to wait until it's released to say anything good or bad about Longhorn. In the meantime there are anough things to say about XP.
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"It's" is a contraction of "it is", with the apostrophe showing where the omitted letter "t" would be.
There are two different kinds of human farts: those who try to be a grammar nazi and those who fail. Even if you belog to the second,/. loves you so it ts ok. Btw, have you ever considered the possibility that english isn't everyone's first language? However I, for one, welcome our new "it ts" overlords.
Italians often use dd-mmmm-yy with roman numerals for months, because apparently they don't quite "get" the whole concept of "efficient sorting" at all. This is so clabber-brained that the US notation would actually be LESS imbecilic.
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We use dd/mm/yyyy. Are you sure you're not the one who's really retarded?
That isn't the point. With Linux you get a product for free and pay for support, meaning you can phone RedHat and they are obliged to help you solve your problem. If they don't, you'll probably stop paying them and go for a different solution. They still claim their software is not guaranteed as suitable for a particular purpose, but you got that product for free and you're paying them to help you use that product for your own particular purpose. You also have access to the source code, which opens up a lot of additional possibilities in regards to making the product fit for that purpose, although many won't exploit that possibility.
In Windows you get a product for free and support for free. What you pay for is a license that says the product is not guaranteed as suitable for a particular purpose. No, let me explain better: the license says that anything covered by it is not guaranteed for anything. You're not paying for support and you can't complain if Microsoft is unable to help you should you have a problem running your system. There's nobody else who can provide the same level of support because nobody else has the source code. You're giving money to Microsoft to own a license which has the specific purpose of protecting Microsoft from any claim you could ever make about whatever is covered by the license.
This, I think, is the main difference between Linux and Windows.
Now, I certainly hope nobody took offense for what I said! I meant that the original eXeem is useless (contains spyware, controlled by a single company, windows-only etc: it goes against what bittorrent is and was meant to achieve) and if someone thinks the actual system behind it is worthy he should work/support an alternative implementation. Hacking proprietary software to make it more appealing is BAD. Maybe I used the wrong word? With useless I mean that if you stand for p2p and the bittorrent philosophy then you shouldn't use eXeem. Besides, eXeem lite is like having a cracked antivirus program. I'm sure most slashdotters are better than that.
eXeem Lite is not developed separately from eXeem. They take eXeem and hack it, they aren't creating anything new. If eXeem lives, eXeem Lite lives. If eXeem Lite lives, it means eXeem is still around. eXeem Lite won't substitute eXeem, so it's not in competition with eXeem and it's not an improvement either. It's just a mod. If someone thinks eXeem is based on a good idea, he should start his own development of an eXeem-like network, he SHOULDN'T hack eXeem. That's pointless.
Just a thought, maybe off-topic. I think articles like this one show the inherent flaw in anti-circumvention laws. While the american government says "if you put a lock on something it's unlawful to break it, develop something that breaks it, tell someone how to make something that breaks it etc. etc." we're all seeing where technology is going: quantum computing (sorry if this term is not the right one, have mercy, I'm italian, I mean the ability to compute using quantum mechanics principles) could very well break any kind of lock we know today. This is more proof that high-level, modern technology and copyright/anti-circumvention laws can't possibly coexist as long as copyright has the form and shape it has today. Either laws change or technology stops. Sorry if this comment was too much off-topic.
http://crypto.stanford.edu/DRM2002/darknet5.doc
That's from 2 years ago, a very well made study by Microsoft about the darknets. The "bad guys" already know that P2P is unstoppable, the battle we're watching day by day is only a facade.
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Regardless of what windows swaps in or out it's taking 120MB as shown from the task manager. Meaning that that amount of ram is taken and won't be usable ever. With free -m you get the memory footprint of linux. I'm not familiar with knoppix maybe older versions of KDE took more? I recall 3.2 being very sluggish and never ran 3.3 at all, now that I have 3.4 I can see it's improved a LOT. However I don't doubt there are better ways to measure ram usage I just thought that task manager and free were good enough. Sorry if I was wrong.
Indeed Microsoft has done very good things and very bad things. It's not really about underestimating them, it's more like every "big" product they released always contained some things that made me sneer. So let's all look forward to a better windows since that's what everyone's using at the moment. Whether or not IT will benefit from any Microsoft product is debatable (you know, licenses, competition etc etc, this would be off topic) but better products are always a good thing although recently the value of a software has become, regrettably, only of secondary importance, the license it's released under being the most important thing (as in "this is good because nobody can use it against you"). As a side note, about what you're running on your pcs, that's ok. I wasn't implying you're not knowledgeable or biased or anything, indeed I asked you to clarify for the exact opposite reasons. And as an utterly unrelated but very interesting side note, Douglas Adams ROXXORZ :D
No idea, however: Gentoo Linux, KDE 3.4.0. Right after getting to the KDE desktop ram usage is 85 megs. Windows with only 3 of the many services running: 120. That's quite a big difference, imho.
I don't know much about win multitasking, however most apps I used before switching to Linux took definitely less than 5 seconds to start and my hard drive definitely still makes noise every time it has to do some i/o. Handling graphics in a webpage was the last thing I had problems with while using IE. Not sure about what the hell your post is about but it's definitely uninformative and my hard drive definitely made noise when it stored it in the cache although I'm under gentoo linux.
What's the basis for saying this? I'm a gnu/linux advocate but I'll be happier every time something new and good comes out. So, what makes you think that Longhorn will be more stable, have new stuff and be more secure? What we've seen until now is the old strategy of promising the moon and delivering a pebble. 3D stuff on the desktop isn't anything new and we have it already running on linux. WinFS isn't coming. What about the rest? Is there anything tangible you're willing to show? Otherwise we'll have to wait until it's released to say anything good or bad about Longhorn. In the meantime there are anough things to say about XP.
"It's" is a contraction of "it is", with the apostrophe showing where the omitted letter "t" would be. There are two different kinds of human farts: those who try to be a grammar nazi and those who fail. Even if you belog to the second, /. loves you so it ts ok. Btw, have you ever considered the possibility that english isn't everyone's first language? However I, for one, welcome our new "it ts" overlords.
Italians often use dd-mmmm-yy with roman numerals for months, because apparently they don't quite "get" the whole concept of "efficient sorting" at all. This is so clabber-brained that the US notation would actually be LESS imbecilic. ? We use dd/mm/yyyy. Are you sure you're not the one who's really retarded?
That isn't the point. With Linux you get a product for free and pay for support, meaning you can phone RedHat and they are obliged to help you solve your problem. If they don't, you'll probably stop paying them and go for a different solution. They still claim their software is not guaranteed as suitable for a particular purpose, but you got that product for free and you're paying them to help you use that product for your own particular purpose. You also have access to the source code, which opens up a lot of additional possibilities in regards to making the product fit for that purpose, although many won't exploit that possibility. In Windows you get a product for free and support for free. What you pay for is a license that says the product is not guaranteed as suitable for a particular purpose. No, let me explain better: the license says that anything covered by it is not guaranteed for anything. You're not paying for support and you can't complain if Microsoft is unable to help you should you have a problem running your system. There's nobody else who can provide the same level of support because nobody else has the source code. You're giving money to Microsoft to own a license which has the specific purpose of protecting Microsoft from any claim you could ever make about whatever is covered by the license. This, I think, is the main difference between Linux and Windows.
Now, I certainly hope nobody took offense for what I said! I meant that the original eXeem is useless (contains spyware, controlled by a single company, windows-only etc: it goes against what bittorrent is and was meant to achieve) and if someone thinks the actual system behind it is worthy he should work/support an alternative implementation. Hacking proprietary software to make it more appealing is BAD. Maybe I used the wrong word? With useless I mean that if you stand for p2p and the bittorrent philosophy then you shouldn't use eXeem. Besides, eXeem lite is like having a cracked antivirus program. I'm sure most slashdotters are better than that.
Huh look, the actual development group is only creating eXeem. eXeem lite is a hack made by god-knows-who.
eXeem Lite is not developed separately from eXeem. They take eXeem and hack it, they aren't creating anything new. If eXeem lives, eXeem Lite lives. If eXeem Lite lives, it means eXeem is still around. eXeem Lite won't substitute eXeem, so it's not in competition with eXeem and it's not an improvement either. It's just a mod. If someone thinks eXeem is based on a good idea, he should start his own development of an eXeem-like network, he SHOULDN'T hack eXeem. That's pointless.
Just a thought, maybe off-topic. I think articles like this one show the inherent flaw in anti-circumvention laws. While the american government says "if you put a lock on something it's unlawful to break it, develop something that breaks it, tell someone how to make something that breaks it etc. etc." we're all seeing where technology is going: quantum computing (sorry if this term is not the right one, have mercy, I'm italian, I mean the ability to compute using quantum mechanics principles) could very well break any kind of lock we know today. This is more proof that high-level, modern technology and copyright/anti-circumvention laws can't possibly coexist as long as copyright has the form and shape it has today. Either laws change or technology stops. Sorry if this comment was too much off-topic.
http://crypto.stanford.edu/DRM2002/darknet5.doc That's from 2 years ago, a very well made study by Microsoft about the darknets. The "bad guys" already know that P2P is unstoppable, the battle we're watching day by day is only a facade.