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eXeem Lite Public Beta Released
TheKarateMaster writes "Just days after the release of eXeem Open Beta comes eXeem lite 0.19 Public Beta. Much like with KaZaA, the official version of eXeem comes chock full of spy/adware -- specifically, cydoor. eXeem lite is spyware free and free of bloat -- and free. Version .20, which should fix a few minor bugs, is expected 'in next coming days.' (read: soon)"
Whilst this is excellent news indeed, I fear only the so called "computer savvy" will reap the benefits of this (ie no spyware). There are a lot of people out there who seemingly click at random through the World Wide Wreckage, completely and utterly naive of the dangers they face. And there are others who just can't be bothered to protect themself from spyware, data loss, scams, identity theft, etc.
Does this sound familiar:
Clueless user: Hrm, that looks like a good idea. Click. Install. Now why is my computer slow and always crashing? Better call my tech boy genius neighbor!
Tech boy genius neighbor: OMFG what did you do!?
I commend the software venders that do their best to protect those who need protecting the most. Even Microsoft is looking into integrating Spyware search and destroy tools into Windows. It pays to get with the times!
Which is only good news as the poliferation of spyware is just a waste of everyones time and and invasion of privacy.
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FP? I have no life.
Really, this isn't news. The comment section of the last post about exeem was chock full of links to Exeem lite
I thought that they were going to keep spyware/adware in all versions of this - to make some money off it. They used to have paypal donations accepted on suprnova.org, but they recieved something like $400 over the course of a year. At least with spyware they'll make money consistenty.
Not that I mind, I hadn't installed exeem specifically becasue of the spyware and adware.
that an application that is designed to infringe copyright has had its copyright infringed
iam still waiting for the GPL squad to take action over using GPL'd code without releasing the source
Somebody please write an Azureus plugin for Exeem!
From the FAQ There are currently no versions of eXeem(TM) for Linux or Mac. No way to install spyware on my Linux box? Awwww, what a shame!
eXLax - Exeem without the crap.
This is about the spyware-free version, similar too Kazaa Lite
Looks like you might want to read the two articles.. this one is the lite version eh...
Mod me down im a newf (wiki)
It is now known that slashdot editors don't read slashdot.
That was the official eXeem release, the one with spyware.
This is eXeem Lite, which is supposed to be spyware free.
How long until the eXeem makers either sue or try to ban lite users from the network?
quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
is it fake 0.19?
it reads 0.18 after installed
If only Bram Cohen would had licensed the original bittorrent under the GPL (rather than the MITL), people would not be able to profit so easily from his work.
Granted, the trackerless protocol surely took some work, but the base BT protocol (and its implementation) was the revolutionary thing.
I hate companies providing adware software like Kazaa or Exeem, that promise you heaven on earth, and actually offer subpar programs, that would have much more quality as an opensource project (see eDonkey vs eMule).
the official version of eXeem comes chock full of spy/adware -- specifically, cydoor
Can this above comment be explained? I downloaded and installed eXeem, it did not appear to include any spyware whatsoever. It certainly did not come packaged with Cydoor. What's the deal here?
So eXeeM/bittorent... pretty much a different name for overnet/eDonkey right? ;)
Why is eXeem, or even bittorent being treated as so revolutionary when eDonkey/overnet/eMule has been doing fundementally the same thing in the same way for years?
eXeem Lite is not developed separately from eXeem. They take eXeem and hack it, they aren't creating anything new. If eXeem lives, eXeem Lite lives. If eXeem Lite lives, it means eXeem is still around. eXeem Lite won't substitute eXeem, so it's not in competition with eXeem and it's not an improvement either. It's just a mod. If someone thinks eXeem is based on a good idea, he should start his own development of an eXeem-like network, he SHOULDN'T hack eXeem. That's pointless.
If any of you had bothered to read the content of the two eXeem stories you would realize that one says, "Open Public Beta" while the other says, "Just days after the release of eXeem Open Beta comes eXeem lite 0.19 Public Beta."
Doh!
Easy fix, easyer than DLing and maintaining a differant client...
:)
Delete files in c:\windows\system32\AdCache
Set all user permissions on folder c:\windows\system32\AdCache to deny (no access)
block/deny:
*cydoor.com/*
*cms.com/*
It doesn't complain if the ads are not comming in, it just throws them up
...
Another thing, I can't seem to tell what the differences between the two versions are aside from the fact that one has spyware and the other doesn't.
Isn't the Exeem a closed protocol? Reverse engineering a protocol hardly gives as much features as implementing an open protocol (Don't give examples such as gaim, I said "hardly" not "all"). The best thing to do is to write an opensource exeem replacement!
I'm confused. I have the official Exeem 0.20 installed and Cydoor is NOT on my machine. Does it only install if you select the install ie toolbar option? Do we really need a hacked installer just for that?
i can modify/create a hosts file myself, thank you.
Methinks someone wants to prepare the site for major traffic, as well as give extra publicity. Lately most of the /. articles I read have posts "this isn't really news." News is not synonymous with novelty, adjust your expectations.
Who the hell cares? Lots of products have gone to open beta recently - why is this piece of garbage so special? What, does CmdrTaco have a special stake in the group of winners that are behind this piece of spywayre-riddled software? This hardly seems like news worthy of the front page of slashdot...
Yeh, it's a dupe - only the two stories are about completely different things.
If it's because you want to take advantage of the # of users, have you considered that they are primarily the type of users that install spyware-ridden software on their PCs? Is that the type of user community you want to get files from, and share with?
What good reason is there to use eXeem? If you want to use a popular program that a lot of people use, what problem does eXeem solve that Kazaa doesn't?
Is eXeem supposed to be considered the second coming strictly because Suprnova shut down? Anybody who relied strictly on Suprnova for torrents was a fool, anyway, considering the wake of Napster and the obvious fate of any popular centralized source of illicit IP.
If you like the BitTorrent system... keep using it, eXeem offers no real advantages. If you have no integrity or circumspectness whatsoever, then just use Kazaa. I don't see what niche eXeem fills.
the official version of eXeem comes chock full of spy/adware -- specifically, cydoor.
Check your sources.
eXeem does not come with a bunch of spy/adware. It comes with exactly one: Cydoor. Which is adware, only displaying ads.
Stop making that big face!
eXeem lite is spyware free and free of bloat -- and free
This isn't Free (libre) software, so while it is nice that it doesn't cost anything, neither does the official eXeem, so it is not better in that respect.
As for the claim that the official version comes with spyware and that this "lite" version doesn't - several posters have already said they couldn't find any spyware after installing eXeem.
As for eXeem-lite, if I can't see the source, why should I believe the site that claims it is spyware-free? Because the say so?
I learn from all my mistakes, I intend to be a genius at the end of my life.
the same with me.
i noticed a little white area in the program windows, and it seems thats were ads are supposed to be shown, but cydor isnt present.
maybe thats one of the bugs that need fixing...
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
Sure, it is much HYPED app. But I've yet to hear about how great it actually is. Who even said it will catch and deliver? Why eXeem lite and not X lite, when X can be any ad-sponsored program on ZeroPaid?
And while we on it. Why so many Slashdot articles on this? Promote it when eXeem is worth it.
do you have spybot S&D installed? slashdot wait 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20
The previous version did not run on my machine and looked like it was some strange windows binary. I wonder what those guys are thinking - who in hell still uses windows nowadays.
By the way, did you heard about that story about the Cell architecture explained?
In my language(danish, but it's probably the same n swedish and norwegian) eXeem is pronounced 'eksem' - which means 'Rash'.
Seems like they chose an appropiate name.
except. they aren't dupes. one is a lite version and the other isn't. the one that is lite is free from spyware. the one that isn't lite is loaded with it. this new article is about the release of the lite verson. the one you linked to is about the one that is not "lite"...so how is it a dupe?
how the official eXeem tells its users how important it is to have the ads, saying that 'without them we can't afford to exist' or something along those lines.
Do they honestly not know their audience?
you can neuter most cydoor apps using the dummy cd_clint.dll files from here. Using these, the apps will still run but no more ads! My boss had installed a GRE word prep program and it didn't work after I cleaned up with AdAware (kept saying cd_clint.dll not found or something). I replaced it with this and everything was a-okay!
The protocol is already being analyzed and various details are already reverse engineered. If this information is known then a programmer can easily add functionality to Azureus (which is more or less similar to eXeem already, but uses Java hence is actually cross-platform). Only drawback is that it'll take a little while and your favorite client might not have it first. I'd say: no worries on this one.
WE DON'T NEED NO BLOG CONTROL.
It's not a dupe, this one is about eXeem LITE, not eXeem. Try RTFA.
Wait... if they have the ability to 'ban (lite) users from the network', then they have the ability to 'ban individuals engaging in the act of distributing copyrighted works without prior permission to do so'.
Which means that they would become a prime target for whichever media copyright maintenance agency applies to them.
Unless I'm missing something.
... the official version of eXeem comes chock full of spy/adware -- specifically, cydoor ...
This is the reason why I don't use P2P clients. It's very nice of them to release a "lite" (spy/adware free) client. Sheesh...
Does it only install if you select the install ie toolbar option?
No, cydoor is built into Exeem itself. The latest Spybot Seek and Destroy should detect it, but although it will confirm it's been removed, next time you run Exeem it will replace cydoor again.
I've read on here that you can remove cydoor with Spybot S&D and exeem will run as normal albeit with no spyware.
It is really hard to believe that someone is impudent enough to write this:
... errmmmm ... alright ... thanks for banning me Smil ... ... just not talk about it in your channel, I understand Smile ... not more not less ... wait ... so taking html and css code is RIGHT and legal as long as you replace the images? ... but it wouldn't work with self-written html-code anyways, so why bother
Quote:
© 2005 eXeem Lite
exlite.net
under a website that is completely stolen from SmartFTP.com and Shareaza.com and maybe even more.
Whoever is responsible for this website, he stole the complete html, css and site structure from SmartFTP.com and almost worst: He stole the pictures from Shareaza.com and even linked them directly and steals their bandwith!
Yesterday it was slightly more obvious since he even failed to change all the -tags and even most still displayed "SmartFTP - FTP Client" but even after the "relaunch" of eXlite.com there are still many SmartFTP tags and well, the directly linked Shareaza-Images!
Just see for yourself: http://exlite.net
One current example from the exlite.net-download page:
Code:
) yesterday went to ask politely how this could be, this was the result:
Quote:
lol
http://thefreehost.org/exlite/downloads.htm
rofl.
how do i undo the reg file?
* eXLite-Admin sets mode: +b *!*@****.IP
tach zusammen
the progam relys on the spyware
* eXLite-Admin sets mode: +b *!*@****.IP
SmauR and me ( not-a-bot ) were simply banned right away.
Giving me a reason to chat with 'eXLite-Admin':
Quote:
Hello Smile
Any reason why you banned me?
Just for pointing out that the site-layout was stolen?
ya i dont post smartftp crap we are fixing it witha new design soon
thx
And that's why you BAN everyone who talks about it
I'm sorry, but stealing site-design is about as wrong as banning people who point out that fault
ya well its being fixed thanks for telling everyone
you're welcome
I'll just post it on Slyck
It's just fair if you steal a site layout and ban everyone who points it out Smile
it will be gone in 2 mins anyway so you can
Backup copy and screenshots are done already Smile
you can do whatever ya want
you can talk about it but dont spam html in the chanel
I DIDN'T!
the only html "code" i posted was ''
some one did i thout it was you anyway your not baned now so it dont matter
SmauR posted the meta-tags you failed to remove from the stolen HTML site
i have not stolen any of there images so the css is not copy righteg
righted *
anyway the new design is allmost done so there is no point in posting anything
oh
but you do whatever
css is legal to take yes
style Sheet
you took tho WHOLE site layout, html, css and the site strcuture
and NO, taking CSS is not right
site layout is way diferent than theres
i dont have tipe to argu about it
time *
well, there is no reason anyways, what you're telling here is just insanly stupid!
goodbye and thanks for listening
well whatever its not staying up so tell whoever you want cya
I still cannot believe this chat, just to sum it up:
* eXlite Admin doesn't know the difference between html and css.
* He thinks that StyleSheet are automatically public domain, well, simply for being StyleSheets.
* It's perfectly fine for him to copy another website as long as you replace the images.
* eXeem lite is done by someone without basic html-skills and without any scruple or moral.
* and of course:
Quote:
i have not stolen any of there images so the css is not copy righteg
No, he didn't steal the images from SmartFTP.com but simply from Shareaza.com and he didn't even bother to host them on his own webspace but linked them DIRECT
Whats the legality of softwares such as this. eXeem has made some threats about it. Will this end up like Kazaa Lite ?
I work tech support for a company that provides internet in hotel rooms across the country. You're not wrong. Generally people tend to be very relieved when they get a "computer guy" on the phone, and will bug them about anything and everything because hey...i called you about my computer, right? Meanwhile i've got 3 other people on hold. Ugh.
once you go slack, you never go back
too bad they're gonna lose to the BIRDS!!!
Are you sure? I've looked around after some folks have said things about the privacy statement and some of the spyware removal tools. There's something very odd because I do not have anything to block it from installing Cydoor and I do not have Cydoor installed after installing it. I've grabbed a few of the mentioned removal apps to check and they do not find it nor do the dlls or registry entries exist. The only possible option to change the installation other than a freak bug (what spyware company would ship with a bug that prevents it from installing, really) is the toolbar option. I would submit that it is indeed that toolbar option as the privacy statement does quote:
"Ads that might appear outside Exeem.com and eXeem™ application are Opt-out ads, that you have a chance to uninstall. Outside Exeem.com and EXeem™ application is eXeem's Toolbar LookSmart."
it will reinstall itself.
Is someone working on a linux/mac version?
Open Source Java Web Forum with LDAP authentication
eXeem is NOT related to Bittorrent in any way. It does not use the Bittorrent protocol nor an extension of it. It is yet another P2P application/network that is trying to captilize on an already popular application/network/protocol. Considering that it is closed source, Windows only, spyware stricken, and leeching off of Bittorrent's popularity, it would be wise to boycott eXeem.
If you want to use a P2P application that combines the swarming of Bittorrent with distributed indexing, searching, and tracking, try one of the eDonkey apps such as aMule, eMule, eDonkey2000, etc. Many of them are open source, spyware free, and run on multiple platforms. Since the eDonkey network has been around for a long time, it is filled with a variety of content. However, Bittorrent is still the fastest P2P protocol for raw data transfer, so don't drop it, just find a few good torrent sites.
Spyware infested and binary only... Why do i even want to touch it?
Does it increase my anonymity? Does it increase available downloads?
Really.. why do i care about such a beast when there are 'safer' alternatives ( for both my computer and my actions )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
So did you try Spybot Seek and Destroy with the latest definition files, or not?
I'm told that Microsoft's spyware remover detects it too, but I don't have first hand knowledge of that.
Spyware gets sneakier and better hidden so older techniques won't find it. This happens all the time. Same with viruses.
You picked the wrong birds, but thanks for playing.
Cydoor's software is a DLL (shared library for those not of the windoze world), and the company is an advertising broker. Cydoor allows people to display ads in their software without having to write the ad code themselves and/or sell advertising themselves, allowing the developers to focus on their core expertise (in this case P2P) instead of getting side tracked trying to monetize it. Whether you agree or disagree with software showing ads (Opera does it), Cydoor is a fundamentally different class of software from Gator, etc..., it does not 'infect' anything, is not a BHO, doesn't attach itself to your system.
Were you hoping to find a cydoor.dll or something? They are smarter than that. Give them some credit. The anti-spyware tools may need some time to catch up. It seems that the "call home" code may have been written right into the binary. So if you are looking for suspicious sounding files...
Yes, the very latest updated and all. I've been trying to prove myself wrong about this issue since this article was posted. It seems that starting Exeem does trigger something internal that creates the adcache directory, but nothing is ever put into that directory. Before trying to detect it, there has been NO blocking of programs or servers on my network or on my local machine to stop it from downloading ads if it did have Cydoor working. As far as it goes, this machine isn't used a lot so it's fairly easy to see what is and isn't going on. It should also be a prime target for spyware since before now it did not have any protection for spyware installed. As far as Exeem goes, I see a white box in Exeem that I assume is for ads, but it doesn't actually display any.
return -EDONTCARE;
Spybot will find and remove it - only for eXeem to put it back next time you run it.
If it's because you want to take advantage of the # of users, have you considered that they are primarily the type of users that install spyware-ridden software on their PCs?
There are hardly any users. That might change one day but at the moment, eXeem would be a struggling new p2p app, with nothing special seemingly going for it. As it is riddled with spyware it's incomprehensible that anyone would want to use it or a lite version of it.
If against the odds it succeeds and becomes a major network then a lite version might be interesting. Right now, why bother?
How many of you have K-Lite installed or had it installed at one point on your current Windows setup?
I get the feeling that the dummy cd_clint.dll file that came along with K-Lite may be disabling the Cydoor code from eXeem as well.
I think you may be right - I have K-Lite installed, and Cydoor didn't come on my system either. I'm going to reinstlal Exeem WITH the Internet Explorer toolbar, and see if it goes on my system then.
But if it dosen't, it must be the K-Lite fake DLL that does the trick.
eXeem uses libtorrent as the basis for the file downloads itself, which is a library to ease implementation of BitTorrent systems.
However the tracker behaviour has been changed. It pretty much is a modified closed-source BitTorrent client now.
Stop making that big face!
One of BitTorrent's strengths was that it was very difficult to spoof content. IE - If you trusted the tracker, you knew exactly what you were downloading. Given eXeem's new "everyone's a tracker" marketing, is it now vulnerable to spoofing? If a user posts a malicious file under an alternate name, what's to prevent everyone from downloading it? Are there safeguards to protect the network from being flooded with invalid files?
Functionally, how is eXeem different from other P2P clients? My idea of what goes on is; You do a search across all files shared on the eXeem network, pick a file you like, and start downloading from peers. That's roughly the same thing with Kazaa, etc. What's the advantage of using eXeem?
http://www.digital-update.com I think they are still accepting registrations and its under the clients section.
If I were developing something like exeem, I'd have seen this coming a mile away and taken action from the very beginning of the design phase. Given how likely this neutering was, wouldn't it have made sense to put some obvious spyware in and then write a custom component, less blatant, that'd get shipped along with any 'lite' version once the obvious danger had been removed? In any case, I wouldn't want any program I had to fight with in order to make not attack me on my computer in the first place. Just one more person who's not going to touch this thing.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Winny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny And use strong encription methods to protect it's users. I for one would love to see the groundbreaking Winny resurrected and added to something like Exeem Lite.
Windows has detected an undetectable error.
..until I can recompile it myself.
This never would have happened with a properly configured firewall!
nobody wants to see a crowd of sweaty homosexuals in spandex tights and padding prancing about trying to hump each other. That's disgusting. Here, have a pr0n
With a simple DNS block in my router (which I made for the KaZaA ads), the ads get replaced by black blocks. Cydoor is in the optional searchbar only.
what are you blathering about?
I read all you said, but in the end, I find it hard to care. Seriously.
Soon they will be charging for ExeemLite. You just wait. Earlier copies won't connect probably, you will have to upgrade.
A slew of exeemlite.tk style sites will replace the old sites, advertizing free legal movie downloads when you *buy* their product. The earlier versions of ExeemLite will get harder and harder to find. And even when you do obtain a copy, all the mp3 files you find shriek distortion though your hi-fi system that you connected to your pc.
And in the meantime, the original Exeem will release news that there latest edition does not install Spyware without user's *consent*, even though the EULA states the adware nasties are to be installed for delivery of advertizing.
Doesn't that apply to you assuming those you dub "anti-p2p" are against the p2p technology? There are those of us who are against piracy, or to use the guilt removing term, copy right infringement, but do support the legit uses of p2p.
Those that host/share legit files don't have any reason to fear this, and I really doubt those you dub "anti-p2p" have any problem with it. But there is a difference from a torrent site knowingly and actively hosting 99% copy right infringing material, and a site dedicated to legit files(i.e. a BT site for Linux distros).
I don't see the RIAA/MPAA/BSA busting sites only dedicated to sharing legit files, and again, what the site is hosting does count. Or would you say going after "Pirate Peet's Torrents Of The Latest MPAA Movies" is bad because it hosts one "RH Linux 6.2" torrent up there?
Or are you really just a freeloader mentioning this to somehow prove a point? Why don't you curse out those abusing the tools, and not assume that those who have problem with p2p = those "dark-minded fucks" who hate its legit uses.
... The wikipedia definition of Cydoor...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydoor/When running the MS Antispyware tool, I found Cydoor tried to edit my hostfile when eXeem lite was being installed. I'm staying away from this program for good.
Often shady versions can be more reliable than legit stuff. How the thing is, for most people, this is in the same category as OSS. It's realeased by a group of people on the net, who knows their motivations? People love to scream about the safety of OSS but 99.0% of the people doing the screaming are doing it with their head in a bag since they either lack the ability to check the source, or just don't take the time. They are taking it on faith that the source is clean of bad shit, and that the binary on the site is a faithful compile of that source.
Well, of course, you would tell me that you don't have to check it, because others have. Lots of other people have taken the time to check it carefully, so you don't have to worry. If there was something nasty in the source, they'd tell the world, and they've verified that the binaries are faithful productions of that code.
Same thing applies here. People will install it, check it with virus scanners and anti-spyware utilities. Run an install logger that will tell you every file it installs and where, every registry change, etc. Then they'll look at that to see if there's any spyware. If not, they'll declare it to be ok. As with the OSS, it's a bunch of random strangers you don't know telling you it's ok. At a certian point, you fighure they can't all be lying.
However you don't know for sure any more with OSS than you do with something like this. In both cases you are relying on experts you'll never meet telling you something you can't personally verify. I mean I trust people when they tell me Linux is safe. I trust that there aren't any backdoors. But how do I really know? Maybe there's a backdoor, along with a note in the source to come join the cabal that rules the Earth, and that's why no one has revealed it. Hell it could be that there's a backdoor in the compiler (http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/) that exists only in the binary form, never in source. You don't really KNOW.
So, as with many things in computers and online, you put your faith in the masses. You assume that competent people will check this out and will tell the truth about it. You assume if there is spyware in it, word will spread and you'll know. You assume it to be safe because it hasn't been proved unsafe. Bad method, maybe, but we use it all the time.
As far as the eXeem protocol, when eXeem first tries to connect to the network (by doing a search, refreshing for new files or whatnot), it bootstraps. It does a lookup on 4 DNS names, all of which point to the same IP address. The eXeem client program (TCP) connects to port 1026 of this host and sends an eXeem protocol packet.
The eXeem protocol packet from client to server or SuperNode is of the following format - a 0, followed by a one byte function code, followed by an optional payload, filed by 8 seemingly random generated bytes which are suspected to be a Blowfish key (thus the Crypto++ calls in eXeem). In the case of the bootstrap, there is no optional payload and the function code is 6. Thus the packet sent is 0-6-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X, with the 8 bytes being what is guessed to be a randomly generated Blowfish key. The bootstrap server responds with a number of Superpeers. It is thought that the response is encrypted with the possible Blowfish key sent by the client.
Another eXeem packet is new files refresh. When one does this, eXeem connects to the roughly 20 SuperPeers it knows (which should be in your registry), usually on port 4000 (although 4001 has been seen). The function code is 8. As I said, the last 8 bytes of the packet vary, so only the first two bytes will always match in this example of a search packet (in hex): 00 08 f8 a6 16 39 4a 0a 96 eb.
Search packets have a function code of 22 (in hex, 16). They always carry at least 16 bytes of the optional payload. The first 8 bytes of the optional payload are thought to be search parameters (language, categories, file size etc.) The end of the optional payload is thought to be the actual word(s) being searched. For names 8 bytes and under, the end of the optional payload is 8 bytes, for names 9-16 bytes the optional payload is 16 bytes, and so forth, in increments of 8 bytes. The search is thought to not be encrypted by the possible 8 byte key at the end of the packet. Thus a search may look like this (in hex): 00-16-8e-94-58-40-af-c2-08-39-2a-55-16-53-c4-0a-75 -4b.
There are other parts of the protocol as well which won't be gone into here...request for file comments which is function code 25 (19 in hex) from client to superpeer, and the function code response code varying on what the answer is and so forth.
With Crypto++ in use, which possibly calls Blowfish, the protocol seems to be encrypted (why else would they include Crypto++?), and whether it is easy or difficult to figure out is unknown. It depends on whether people who know crypto, specifically Crypto++ and possibly Blowfish, and/or who are good at loading these programs into hex editors or assemblers or whatever and figuring them out. Winedbg doesn't seem to be cutting it.
By the way, eXeem lite's web page lists it's IRC channel. As usual, most of the people on it are clueless people trying to get eXeem lite working, but people who have been examining eXeem and understand it someone pop in from time to time.
I think many of you fail to realize something. This is just me talking, but I don't think Bram Cohen gives a damn about GPL, or open software, or anything. He made BitTorrent as a resumé. He wanted it as widespread as possible, which includes having it as part of closed source projects as well. I don't imagine Cohen expected it to be this wildly popular, but his intent was to hopefully get a job in a bad job market. Feel free to correct me.
I hate grammar Nazi's.
roodyc.com
cyadwr.com
and several more...
Not that long ago, adware/spyware was made so that anyone making a slight effort to disable it could. With the advent of some much automatic blockers and so forth, it now takes quite a deal more effort. Luckily for me I don't run Windows usually, and almost never download spyware/adware apps when I do. I did with eDonkey/Overnet a few months back, and it was a nightmare.
Stop advertising for these pirates. They are just trying to make money off people sharing their bandwidth. The software is closed spyware laden or otherwise disabled. This is wrong and you shouldn't use it. We should be modifying the real the bittorrent to do this!
its most probably due to the fact that since i use firefox i locked down IE (disabled absolutely every feature etc i could) for both internet and local zones, then put the only sites i had to go to in IE as trusted sites.
as a result it seems cydoor is no longer able to sneak itself onto my system hiding with other programmes installers, which is a pleasant side effect indeed.
For christ's sake
eXeemLite was introduced almost simultaneously with eXeem, just like Kazaa and KazaaLite;
someone(s) anonymous then generate a pseudo controversy (and the attending free publicity) by "threatening" the existence of eXeem lite, just like Kazaa threatened KazaaLite;
Some OTHER points to ponder From the "Wide World of Amazing Coincidences" File,
eXeem has a closed source, proprietary code base and file system, just like Kazaa;
eXeem is has no public ownership, but is fronted by shadowy registered agents in offshore corporate tax havens, just like Kazaa (whose Sharman Networks CEO recently claimed she has "no idea" of who own Sharman Networks)
eXeem has no public developer faces, but uses frontmen who don't know or talk about the actual owners of the company, just like Kazaa
eXeem has jumped in the BitTorrent space, using a perception that eXeem is a BT application, but uses it own proprietary network ad servers and authentication servers and makes the users machines "supernodes", just like Kazaa uses its own ad servers, authentication servers and makes users machines supernodes
eXeem specifically claims it contains no "spyware", and yet deploys Cydoor, one of the worst of the spyware offenders, just like Kazaa denys having spyware and then deploys Cydoor
eXeem's EULA allows them to change the license agreement at their discretion at any time, just like Kazaa
eXeem's EULA forbids all attempts at reverse engineering and disassembly, and while common with commerical programs such as Kazaa, it completely violates the spirit of BiiTorrent and the BT network
eXeem reviewers have found eXeem "creepily reminescent" of Kazaa, or that eXeem's search function is very, very similar to Kazaa'a search function
LESSER THOUGHTS:
the colors of eXeem's website are pretty close, both in design and deployment to those of Kazaa's FastTrack stablemate, Morpheus (check it out at Morpheus.com)
HOWEVER, eXeemLite's website uses virtually the same color schema as Morpheus
EXTRACREDIT DIY:
1. Check out the whois on exlite.com, and note what FastTrack related company is in the same neighborhood
2. Check out the ISP carrying exlite, note their geographic location, and ask yourself what FastTrack partner company is in the same neighborhood?
3. Check out the geographic assignment of the exlite.com IP address and ask yourself what country it is located in, and is there any well known FastTrack associated company in that same country?
LOOKS LIKE A KAZAA, WALKS LIKES A KAZAA, QUACKS LIKE A KAZAA...IS IT A KAZAA?????
you do the reseach and then you decide...
according to a ircop on an undisclosed network i talked to, exeem installs a botkit on the users computer. he said the exeem channel had 400 iroffer bots and rising.
yeah, i realised that after I posted =____=
Remember children, all generalizations are wrong.
From the 'Your're wrong. It is' thread:
1) As someone said, eXeem uses libtorrent, which is an implementation of the BT protocol, thus the second sentence above is wrong: It does not use the Bittorrent protocol....
2) If two apps use a library, it DOES mean they have something in common; a good example may be a SSL only webserver and a non-SSL aware browser; both probably use http, but can't talk with each other. Though you could configure the browser to use a SSL tunnel as a proxy server to overcome the incompatibility.
3) If you are trying to prove a point by making examples, try to choose better ones:
libtorrent does nothing else but provide an API for the BT protocol; STL is a rather abstract library of data storage containers, common algorithms and some fancy stuff. You are comparing things that have little in common.
4) As we all know, there is no 'best' operating system, no ultimate programming language and likewise no fastest p2p protocol; BT is not very good for rare files (try it yourself, if you don't believe), probably because it was designed for another purpose.
Ever since I installed safepeer for Azureus and all of the attention has been given to BitTorrent, I've been very wary of using anything that doesn't have any way at all of protecting yourself from the ??AA. Is there anything like this planned or available for eXeem?
Just curious...STSN?
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From suprnovaforums.net:
"Hello everybody,
It is with great sadness that I have seen this forum degenerate into a place for fighting and flaming between people about exeem and other things, well it stops right now.
1. Exeem is history as far as this forum is concerned, this forum is about community above all else, that community will not be destroyed by infighting.
2. Any topics regarding exeem will be locked or deleted, there is to be no more discussion of this app on this forum, period.
3. As angry as I am about the flaming and insults I have seen normally level headed individuals partake in I will not be mass banning people. You have an amnesty for your words, from now on though you will not be so lucky so consider yourselves warned.
4. The normal rules still apply, no links to torrents, torrent sites, cracks etc etc.
This forum is no longer affiliated with exeem in any way shape or form, forget that and move on. Let peacefulness and playfulness reign (sic). Seriously though everybody just step back and think for a minute, the reason you are part of this forum is because we are the best, most informative, fun place to be. We are also the largest Invision board in the world, something you should all be proud of.
All exeem forums are deleted and the word is filtered, normal service is now resuming."
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