Never said it was a personal vendetta, more like a way of forcing his political views on other people. Me being just some guy on slashdot doesn't have anything to do with it, you should rather look at the facts. As far as I can tell Tridge are neither a subsystem maintainer or maintainer of any part of the kernel, nor a very major contributor to the Linux kernel. Making his need for a tool like the one he was developing minimal. While the people who are doing the work on the kernel, asks him not to continue as they had no need for his 'tool'. As there are no apparent technical need it only leaves politic. But by all means, judge the facts yourself.
You better hit yourself in the head with a cluestick, several times. This was never about interoperating with bitkeeper, which you see from his insistence to keep developing after Linus and McVoy told him what it would result in no more free BitKeeper. So in the end he developed a useless tool, and worse a tool which none of the kernel developers wanted or needed in the first place.
It's not foresight. It's like your neighbors kid telling you it's unwise to have a window facing the side street, because someone may break the glass. And then throwing a rock through it.
>and it is what most wanted anyway.
Actually Linus and many other core kernel hackers did not want this. And the kernel developers was never forced to use BK, and the few who did not like tke BK license managed just fine whitout. What Tridge did was force his political/religious agenda onto the kernel developers. Besides BitMover did not revoke their license on a whim, they tried a reasonable dialog involving Linus. However one try to present the facts one thing remains. That is Tridge is the worst case of zealot preaching freedom of sw, but not respecting other peoples freedom to choose and work with any license they want.
>look at these Norwegians and assume that they're not sufficiently burdened
Nah, it's a typical "we got 5 weeks paid vacation" syndrome. Sometimes it leads to some strange behavior in Norwegians, and it may increase in the future as companies start implementing a 6Th:-)
>apt-get remove gnome-desktop?
Don't think that would work, as gnome-desktop is only a meta package. You only remove the gnome-desktop, but leave everything it depends on eg all Gnome packages. You have to select something all of Gnome depends on not the other way, don't know the correct names but I'd guess gnome-libs or pango* woluld help.
The going after Child porn are a good thing no mather what, but as usuall Microsoft are rather late to the table. Advanced tools for this already exist, if someone remember something like 2 years back. There was a big internationally coordinated crack down, one of the main tools used up front of this was something like this new thingy from MS.
I hope MS uses some real open source license for this, as there probably are some nice technology in this which can be used for other purposes too.
>I think that it lacks a sting GUI system.
You are clearly not knowing what you are talking about, Python has for years had a working and stable implementation of one of the best cross-platform GUI toolkits available. It is actually considered better than most, if not all existing noncross-platform toolkits too. So with factors like speed, robustness, portability and ease of use I don't think anything out there comes close to PyQt.
Yes there sometimes can be hard finding good libraries for Java and that can be a real problem. On the other hand are the availability of libraries for Python quite good and in addition it's rateher easy to make standard libraries made with c/c++ available to Python.
One more thing to consider when dealing with boardmanufacturers are where they earn their proffit. It's actually only a small part of their income who stems from the actually work done manufacturing the hardware. Most of the income comes from the parts/components, taking profit from every part soldered to the board. To illustrate, if you can get the workers to work 10% faster requiring 10% less staff it amounts to no more than being able to buy components 1-2% cheaper.
Yes, that's usually the case. Perhaps not time as in manual handling, but as time spent in automatic test systems. Burn in tests usually takes hours. You fill up the test machine with boards in a few minutes, and while they are tested you go do another job.
Testing is the most likely suspect in creating the additional cost when you see two nearly identical motherboards with big difference in price.
Another very important factor helping bring down the cost of motherboards are the high volume manufactured.
That said when it comes to circuit boards and things going wrong, I have first hand knowledge of the amount of "fun" you can have when management tries to increase profit by buying cheaper boards. Not only are the defects usually hard to find when the board is fully mounted, it's also a component you can't replace.
>Compared to how much they pay the workers
Not so, the profit margin on the manufacturing part are low compared to the other cost. Having worked for 5+ years in that particular industry, in a non low cost country at that. As a rule of thumb we said 20-15% or less of the profit, depending of the amount of manual labor on the boards, was from the manufacturing process. Even with manufacturing in developing countries, you don't get that much higher profitmargins. Although very very very high volume does help a lot, when you accumulate the profit:-)
This actually reminds me of first time I saw e-mail in use. We was doing a small programming part in a project (high school level, back in 89 or so:-) and need verification of some details concerning the protocol on a signal stream from a radar installation. Our teacher wrote and sent a mail asking, and about 2 minutes later we heard the one he mailed to yelling "Yes" from down the other end of the corridor. I recall I was rather impressed by this new technology at the time:-)
>1. SuSE: Gone and re-branded as Novel Linux Desktop.
That's totally wrong, Suse is as strong as ever(Changed the way they write their name tho:-) Novel Linux Desktop is a new rebrand geared towards business users, as Novel hopes their name will entice new corporate users. The effect of all this are NLD mostly get the new customers, while the already existing corporate customer of Suse continue to run the Suse brand.
That's really what the GPL needs, confirming the anti GPL FUD from various sources. By giving away your copyrights to the FSF, the only way to protect your copyrighted GPL code.
And making it non harmful are rather easy isn't it? Rather than spreading by for instance mail itself to all addresses in the mailbox once it has infected the Mac, make it send a mail saying "boohoo you're infected, I'm l33t!!!" to the people running the competition instead. And drop the part's who delete random files etc. If you actually are able to make something to infect the system, I don't think the rest are very hard.
Convenience? Ease of use? Saving bandwith? Saving time? All of the previous?
You don't see the big difference with downloading one ISO, versus downloading one ISO and then download an additional desktop to replace the one you got from the ISO? I'd guess you are trolling, honestly you can't be that dense?
Exactly, you are so right. Sometimes it looks like people installs everything there is, just to be able to complain about it afterwards. And it's even easier now, since all the modern distributions split up the KDE packages more finegrained. People, with a decent distro you don't have to install KEdit, if you don't want it. Get it!
No, it's like he says. The first version of KOffice was released in '99 or something, at that time open office did not exist. It was however a closed source office suite called Star Office, which Sun bought in the summer the same year. Later on, Sun opened this code and called it OpenOffice. But this was 2002 or thereabouts.
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Never said it was a personal vendetta, more like a way of forcing his political views on other people. Me being just some guy on slashdot doesn't have anything to do with it, you should rather look at the facts. As far as I can tell Tridge are neither a subsystem maintainer or maintainer of any part of the kernel, nor a very major contributor to the Linux kernel. Making his need for a tool like the one he was developing minimal. While the people who are doing the work on the kernel, asks him not to continue as they had no need for his 'tool'. As there are no apparent technical need it only leaves politic. But by all means, judge the facts yourself.
You better hit yourself in the head with a cluestick, several times. This was never about interoperating with bitkeeper, which you see from his insistence to keep developing after Linus and McVoy told him what it would result in no more free BitKeeper. So in the end he developed a useless tool, and worse a tool which none of the kernel developers wanted or needed in the first place.
Nope, at the one unreasonable person in this whole fiasco, Tridge. But to keep it PC he says himself:-)
It's not foresight. It's like your neighbors kid telling you it's unwise to have a window facing the side street, because someone may break the glass. And then throwing a rock through it.
>and it is what most wanted anyway.
Actually Linus and many other core kernel hackers did not want this. And the kernel developers was never forced to use BK, and the few who did not like tke BK license managed just fine whitout. What Tridge did was force his political/religious agenda onto the kernel developers. Besides BitMover did not revoke their license on a whim, they tried a reasonable dialog involving Linus. However one try to present the facts one thing remains. That is Tridge is the worst case of zealot preaching freedom of sw, but not respecting other peoples freedom to choose and work with any license they want.
>look at these Norwegians and assume that they're not sufficiently burdened
Nah, it's a typical "we got 5 weeks paid vacation" syndrome. Sometimes it leads to some strange behavior in Norwegians, and it may increase in the future as companies start implementing a 6Th:-)
>apt-get remove gnome-desktop? Don't think that would work, as gnome-desktop is only a meta package. You only remove the gnome-desktop, but leave everything it depends on eg all Gnome packages. You have to select something all of Gnome depends on not the other way, don't know the correct names but I'd guess gnome-libs or pango* woluld help.
The going after Child porn are a good thing no mather what, but as usuall Microsoft are rather late to the table. Advanced tools for this already exist, if someone remember something like 2 years back. There was a big internationally coordinated crack down, one of the main tools used up front of this was something like this new thingy from MS. I hope MS uses some real open source license for this, as there probably are some nice technology in this which can be used for other purposes too.
>What's Python like for coding GUI's in?
Absoulutly fantastic:-) Try PyQt.
>And are there any nice IDEs available for it?
Oh yes, try eric3
http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html
>I think that it lacks a sting GUI system. You are clearly not knowing what you are talking about, Python has for years had a working and stable implementation of one of the best cross-platform GUI toolkits available. It is actually considered better than most, if not all existing noncross-platform toolkits too. So with factors like speed, robustness, portability and ease of use I don't think anything out there comes close to PyQt.
Yes there sometimes can be hard finding good libraries for Java and that can be a real problem. On the other hand are the availability of libraries for Python quite good and in addition it's rateher easy to make standard libraries made with c/c++ available to Python.
One more thing to consider when dealing with boardmanufacturers are where they earn their proffit. It's actually only a small part of their income who stems from the actually work done manufacturing the hardware. Most of the income comes from the parts/components, taking profit from every part soldered to the board. To illustrate, if you can get the workers to work 10% faster requiring 10% less staff it amounts to no more than being able to buy components 1-2% cheaper.
Yes, that's usually the case. Perhaps not time as in manual handling, but as time spent in automatic test systems. Burn in tests usually takes hours. You fill up the test machine with boards in a few minutes, and while they are tested you go do another job. Testing is the most likely suspect in creating the additional cost when you see two nearly identical motherboards with big difference in price.
Another very important factor helping bring down the cost of motherboards are the high volume manufactured. That said when it comes to circuit boards and things going wrong, I have first hand knowledge of the amount of "fun" you can have when management tries to increase profit by buying cheaper boards. Not only are the defects usually hard to find when the board is fully mounted, it's also a component you can't replace.
>Compared to how much they pay the workers Not so, the profit margin on the manufacturing part are low compared to the other cost. Having worked for 5+ years in that particular industry, in a non low cost country at that. As a rule of thumb we said 20-15% or less of the profit, depending of the amount of manual labor on the boards, was from the manufacturing process. Even with manufacturing in developing countries, you don't get that much higher profitmargins. Although very very very high volume does help a lot, when you accumulate the profit:-)
This actually reminds me of first time I saw e-mail in use. We was doing a small programming part in a project (high school level, back in 89 or so:-) and need verification of some details concerning the protocol on a signal stream from a radar installation. Our teacher wrote and sent a mail asking, and about 2 minutes later we heard the one he mailed to yelling "Yes" from down the other end of the corridor. I recall I was rather impressed by this new technology at the time:-)
at today's date in three, two , one......
>1. SuSE: Gone and re-branded as Novel Linux Desktop.
That's totally wrong, Suse is as strong as ever(Changed the way they write their name tho:-) Novel Linux Desktop is a new rebrand geared towards business users, as Novel hopes their name will entice new corporate users. The effect of all this are NLD mostly get the new customers, while the already existing corporate customer of Suse continue to run the Suse brand.
Yeah, I heard you were loaded with cash and in need for something to spend it:-)
That's really what the GPL needs, confirming the anti GPL FUD from various sources. By giving away your copyrights to the FSF, the only way to protect your copyrighted GPL code.
And making it non harmful are rather easy isn't it? Rather than spreading by for instance mail itself to all addresses in the mailbox once it has infected the Mac, make it send a mail saying "boohoo you're infected, I'm l33t!!!" to the people running the competition instead. And drop the part's who delete random files etc. If you actually are able to make something to infect the system, I don't think the rest are very hard.
Convenience? Ease of use? Saving bandwith? Saving time? All of the previous?
You don't see the big difference with downloading one ISO, versus downloading one ISO and then download an additional desktop to replace the one you got from the ISO? I'd guess you are trolling, honestly you can't be that dense?
Exactly, you are so right. Sometimes it looks like people installs everything there is, just to be able to complain about it afterwards. And it's even easier now, since all the modern distributions split up the KDE packages more finegrained. People, with a decent distro you don't have to install KEdit, if you don't want it. Get it!
Beats me, keeping your GPU warm?
No, it's like he says. The first version of KOffice was released in '99 or something, at that time open office did not exist. It was however a closed source office suite called Star Office, which Sun bought in the summer the same year. Later on, Sun opened this code and called it OpenOffice. But this was 2002 or thereabouts.