Apple is a new, trendy Microsoft but a little worse. I have used a Mac at work for a couple years now and I just don't understand the hype around these machines. Give me a PC I can dual boot into Windows 7 and Fedora, laptop in the same config and Symbian based phone and I am a happy man.
I think this "model" will die if they continue this way. If your as old as I am you'll remember when IBM tried this "lock in" strategy in the eighties. That worked out real well for them....
At first glance I thought this article was about Steve Ballmer, then I realized if that were the case the tech would not be better; so I continued on to read it....
OK, your point on theft is taken; it is legally different. But that still doesn't make it right to illegaly download something you don't have the right to use. It just irks me that so many people feel it is ok to rip off artists. Regardless of it being theft or not you are ripping off the people that made the music, software, etc. if you download it without paying for it.
I am not saying this judgement was right, only that downloading the music and making it available to others is not right either.
As for being a troll...just because I have a different view than most of the techno-hippies on/. does not make me a troll....
Um, huh? Dude, it's THEFT. I just don't understand this outlook. It's called the music BUSINESS for a reason. Blame the artists? Should Best Buy be blamed if I walk in and steal some electronics? And should we blame Sony if the item I steal is a VAIO laptop? That makes NO sense....
The amount is excessive, she should be fined something like $100 a song. With the option of buying songs for around a buck...come on...quit rippin off the artists....How long is this dead horse going to be beat?
This isn't a matter of your wife stabbing you in the face, it's more like a career criminal stabbing a jail guard in the face for locking him in a cell.
I'm tired of hearing about these idiots that just want to steal everything cry about "fairness". It's a joke. They should allow P2P to be blocked completely and get it over with. I don't want to hear about "legitimate use" of torrent either. I'd bet at least 2/3 of all torrent traffic is for pirated movies, music or software and a large portion of the remaining 1/3 is probably porn.
Not to mention it's making the large game makers ditch the PC, like EA did with Madden 09 this year, because of all the piracy. Block P2P and I bet piracy goes way down and legit users get more bandwidth...if not only temporarily....Although I'm sure the idiots will keep finding a way to "retaliate" because we lock down the criminals.....
Generic Social Networking sites are the online extension of the high school popularity game. If you want to join a social neworking site, pick one that you have in common with. Otherwise it's just muscles and boobs.... I, for one, applaud their use of activex. The more people who have problems, the quicker these sites will lose popularity.....
Send an email to MySpace and Facebook telling them you love their use of ActiveX, how much it makes everything easier and that you would like them to use it more!!
I always find it amusing when the space nuts want us to spend billions on space programs when we can't even fix things here on earth. I'm not saying space exploration shouldn't be pursued, but we should devote the majority of our funds to fixing our house before we go on vacation. In the grand scheme of things, how will the knowledge that little organisms are floating under ice millions of miles away help the human race? Will it end poverty, war, the need for hydrocarbons? All it will really do is make for good lectures in astronomy classes. The Moon/Mars missions are relatively cheap and will help develop the technology so the more ambitious missions in the future will be easier and cheaper....
It doesn't really matter what their network management problem is. If they say I get X bandwidth, then I should have access to X bandwidth all the time. Why should they be able to false advertise based on assumptions? I don't care what the "average" home user does.
Since you used the restaurant analogy I'll use one of my own. If I buy a Chevy Corvette that says it goes 210 mph and they put a rev limiter on it to make it only go 110, I am not getting the car I agreed upon. If I wanted a car that went 110 I would buy a toyota, which is cheaper.
Basically, If I knew they were going to cap certain downloads, and that is what I use my connection for the most, I would have just paid less for a slower DSL or something.....
I wouldn't mind an 1/8th of an inch in thickness if I don't have to hassle with customer service. Also, a "transmission service" on a car, usually between 50-80,000 miles, is only NOT considered to be a user-maintenance thing if you don't know how to do it. With the exception of a few european imports, you don't need special tools or equipment to do it if you know how aside from what you can buy at Sears. I would expect the same thing from Apple. As for your watch....you waste a lot of money paying for battery replacement in your electronics don't you?
"start to generate revenue increases that enable publishers to substantially reduce the price of their games?" This statement is SO 20th century....in the 21st increased revenue means increased profit and larger exec bonuses....not lower consumer prices!
If I had a dollar for every time I heard "Linux will become mainstream" or how "Linux will make MS lose money" I would have more money than Bill right now. If anyone is making MS lose money these days it is Steve Jobs and Apple.....
My Dad is an oldschool carpanter and never needed to use a computer until he retired, then he wanted to learn how to use them to get various types of info. Other than him, I haven't ever had to teach someone from scratch either.
I like the religion analogy. It is perfect. Unfortunately, almost all christian, muslim, judaic, etc. schools all only teach their religion. Sure you can take classes on other religions, but it's going to be like Bill Gates teaching Linux. Your probably not going to get a great presentaion. I am making that statement without any actual experience in a religious school so I might be wrong, but the way most christians disdain other forms of christianity I think it is probably true.
"Though one has to wonder: would telepathy be more like a GUI or more like a CLI?;)
lol, that is something I was wondering also.......
Well, as my post proved your point your point proved mine!:) What's easier, pointing and moaning or speaking?
A 56 year old man who has never used a computer before (my dad) will never grasp the concept of Linux. Why? Because he has no inclination to learn anything about computers. He just wants some info that can be had from them. If Windows is less intuitive than Linux, why did he not want to use Linux? I setup a Redhat desktop for him and he hated it..I setup XP and he hasn't complained much since....We can argue about this all day long, but from my experience, ppl that have never used a computer find Windows easier to learn. I am not saying it isn't better than windows....in some ways it is in some ways it isn't....my point is "who's better" it is "Who's easier"? From my experience, people get acclimated to Windows faster. The same can be said for Apple OSX. While based on BSD, I didn't see a whole bunch of ppl running to download BSD when OSX came out. The refining they did to make it more usable and feature rich to a newbie is it's best feature to most beginners.
As to the "holy grail" of interfaces, IMHO, I would have to say that would be telepathic and not voice.;)
LOL...I'm not a fanboy of any kind so I ALWAYS get moderated to 0....I really don't care if I look dumb to a bunch of anonymous ppl....and I was right...I'm back down to 1 soon to be 0;)
Anyway, that "the people arent ready for linux" statement is far from correct in my view. I have installed Linux for ppl and they STILL didn't like it.....put a 6 year old kid on Linux and he will know it like the back of his/her hand in a couple months....put a 56 year old on the same machine for a couple months and see what happens...answer: they by windows. Until almost anything can be done with the mouse and no shell window pops up when you click an icon or menu selection....they will be just as confused.
In my opinion, and many others I have dealt with, Windows is far more intuitive and walks you through almost anything on a desktop. THAT is where Linux needs to get to make it into the mainstream. Your statements remind me of how Tesla thought, and he died poor and unhappy.....
Exactly...I use Linux, but I am an IT geek. I know several people that are NOT geeks that have tried Linux, all of them went back to Windows. One of them was because of gaming, one was a wifi card in their laptop that they couldn't get to work, another didn't want to go searching for comparable software, etc.
Until Linux is as easy to use and as widely supported by OEMs as Windows is....it's a no brainer. These people won't mind paying for Windows because of the frustrations of Linux.
IMHO, Linux is, at least at this stage, a geeks/enthusiasts OS. Oh yah, and a broke dudes OS....(Universities, etc.)
BTW...no need to insult me....I know I'll get moderated to 0 for this post...
I'm going to give up on the ethical argument for:) But the mouse coordinate problem doesn't need screen shots, just the screen resolution. if the format of the site is the same for all users and the login box doesn't require scrolling down the page (it is usually one of the first things on the page) the screen res would be fine....so the connection would not be impacted very bad.....
"So what happens if say a few of those keyloggers were installed via a mechanism that is, as of the time, unpatched by the OS developers? Is that your fault or the fault of the OS developer?
The article infered theat they would be checking to make sure the normal safeguards were in place and nothing more. If it was a vulnerability that was unpatched AND could not be detected by your AV software, then you would obviuosly not be liable. They are not asking everyone to become security experts, just to do some simple, common sense things that take a trivial amount of time and effort.
"How about we go one step further. Is it the fault of someone handing their credit card to a merchant that someone behind them snapped a photo of the number? Hopefully, your answer to these questions is that it is the fault of the person stealing the information, not the fault of the victim or the bank."
This would be traditional fraud rather than internet and it's straying from the current discussion; but obviously it wouldn't be their fault.
"Plain and simple, this is an effort by the banks to absolve themselves of transactional fraud, place liability on the customers, and not be required to take action themselves. There are solutions that break keyloggers and all that jazz and provide a relatively secure environment from the SERVER side of things. I believe my bank took that approach.
The basics? If you're connecting from an authorized computer, all you need provide is the account and pin numbers. However, if you are connecting from 'any old computer', a second form of authorization in the form of a mouse-clicked word is requested. This is not something that you will ever use from YOUR PC nor is it anything a keylogger (in the common sense of the concept) pick up on. Net result? It helps secure their server just that much more and yet allows the customer to continue to do business from any location."
Here the old saying goes....if you make it idiot proof, you'll find a better idiot.......btw...everytime you click on something, your system determines what you clicked on by the coordinates of the mouse position on the screen....record that instead od an ascii code and you have the same net result....so much for your warm and fuzzy about how "secure" that new system is.....
And it is just as obvious when Norton displays a bubble everytime you log in saying "Norton Auto-Protect is not running!" and displays an X through the NAV icon by the clock and puts entries in the event logs. You could then call NAV support if you are too inexperienced to reinstall the software or troubleshoot the problem. A very similar situation exists when your virus patterns can't be updated. So, short of a Symantec, McAfee, etc. rep showing up at your house, they've done what they could to alert you. Also, MS has a little shield that started showing up with XP SP2 that tells you when your system isn't secure and even recommends a solution. You don't have to know how to rebuild an engine to know that the check engine light is on!!
As with a reply I posted earlier....how are they going to "take responsibility" for someone else's actions and inactions? If YOUR system is insecure then YOUR system is insecure and not theirs. I get shit like this from users all the time. How am I supposed to protect you or your assets if you don't do the trivial things needed to protect yourself? Again...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.....don't expect the bank to make sure you are protected against yourself....
Well, it didn't sound like they were asking more than an MCSE flunky could do....All they want to do is verify that all of the basic safety measures are there.....to make sure the user made a reasonable effort to protect themselves. I don't think they will require much more than entry level college grads....how hard is it to make sure a reputable AV scanner is installed and a firewall is in place? They didn't say they wouldn't cover fraudulant charges cuz you have a root kit installed that isn't detected by the AV, just that the AV was up to date enough to detect it if possible...
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Apple is a new, trendy Microsoft but a little worse. I have used a Mac at work for a couple years now and I just don't understand the hype around these machines. Give me a PC I can dual boot into Windows 7 and Fedora, laptop in the same config and Symbian based phone and I am a happy man. I think this "model" will die if they continue this way. If your as old as I am you'll remember when IBM tried this "lock in" strategy in the eighties. That worked out real well for them....
At first glance I thought this article was about Steve Ballmer, then I realized if that were the case the tech would not be better; so I continued on to read it....
OK, your point on theft is taken; it is legally different. But that still doesn't make it right to illegaly download something you don't have the right to use. It just irks me that so many people feel it is ok to rip off artists. Regardless of it being theft or not you are ripping off the people that made the music, software, etc. if you download it without paying for it. I am not saying this judgement was right, only that downloading the music and making it available to others is not right either. As for being a troll...just because I have a different view than most of the techno-hippies on /. does not make me a troll....
Um, huh? Dude, it's THEFT. I just don't understand this outlook. It's called the music BUSINESS for a reason. Blame the artists? Should Best Buy be blamed if I walk in and steal some electronics? And should we blame Sony if the item I steal is a VAIO laptop? That makes NO sense....
The amount is excessive, she should be fined something like $100 a song. With the option of buying songs for around a buck...come on...quit rippin off the artists....How long is this dead horse going to be beat?
This isn't a matter of your wife stabbing you in the face, it's more like a career criminal stabbing a jail guard in the face for locking him in a cell.
I'm tired of hearing about these idiots that just want to steal everything cry about "fairness". It's a joke. They should allow P2P to be blocked completely and get it over with. I don't want to hear about "legitimate use" of torrent either. I'd bet at least 2/3 of all torrent traffic is for pirated movies, music or software and a large portion of the remaining 1/3 is probably porn.
Not to mention it's making the large game makers ditch the PC, like EA did with Madden 09 this year, because of all the piracy. Block P2P and I bet piracy goes way down and legit users get more bandwidth...if not only temporarily....Although I'm sure the idiots will keep finding a way to "retaliate" because we lock down the criminals.....
Maybe NAS is real!
Generic Social Networking sites are the online extension of the high school popularity game. If you want to join a social neworking site, pick one that you have in common with. Otherwise it's just muscles and boobs.... I, for one, applaud their use of activex. The more people who have problems, the quicker these sites will lose popularity..... Send an email to MySpace and Facebook telling them you love their use of ActiveX, how much it makes everything easier and that you would like them to use it more!!
I always find it amusing when the space nuts want us to spend billions on space programs when we can't even fix things here on earth. I'm not saying space exploration shouldn't be pursued, but we should devote the majority of our funds to fixing our house before we go on vacation. In the grand scheme of things, how will the knowledge that little organisms are floating under ice millions of miles away help the human race? Will it end poverty, war, the need for hydrocarbons? All it will really do is make for good lectures in astronomy classes. The Moon/Mars missions are relatively cheap and will help develop the technology so the more ambitious missions in the future will be easier and cheaper....
It doesn't really matter what their network management problem is. If they say I get X bandwidth, then I should have access to X bandwidth all the time. Why should they be able to false advertise based on assumptions? I don't care what the "average" home user does. Since you used the restaurant analogy I'll use one of my own. If I buy a Chevy Corvette that says it goes 210 mph and they put a rev limiter on it to make it only go 110, I am not getting the car I agreed upon. If I wanted a car that went 110 I would buy a toyota, which is cheaper. Basically, If I knew they were going to cap certain downloads, and that is what I use my connection for the most, I would have just paid less for a slower DSL or something.....
I wouldn't mind an 1/8th of an inch in thickness if I don't have to hassle with customer service. Also, a "transmission service" on a car, usually between 50-80,000 miles, is only NOT considered to be a user-maintenance thing if you don't know how to do it. With the exception of a few european imports, you don't need special tools or equipment to do it if you know how aside from what you can buy at Sears. I would expect the same thing from Apple. As for your watch....you waste a lot of money paying for battery replacement in your electronics don't you?
"start to generate revenue increases that enable publishers to substantially reduce the price of their games?"
This statement is SO 20th century....in the 21st increased revenue means increased profit and larger exec bonuses....not lower consumer prices!
If I had a dollar for every time I heard "Linux will become mainstream" or how "Linux will make MS lose money" I would have more money than Bill right now. If anyone is making MS lose money these days it is Steve Jobs and Apple.....
My Dad is an oldschool carpanter and never needed to use a computer until he retired, then he wanted to learn how to use them to get various types of info. Other than him, I haven't ever had to teach someone from scratch either.
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lol, that is something I was wondering also.......
I like the religion analogy. It is perfect. Unfortunately, almost all christian, muslim, judaic, etc. schools all only teach their religion. Sure you can take classes on other religions, but it's going to be like Bill Gates teaching Linux. Your probably not going to get a great presentaion. I am making that statement without any actual experience in a religious school so I might be wrong, but the way most christians disdain other forms of christianity I think it is probably true.
"Though one has to wonder: would telepathy be more like a GUI or more like a CLI?
Well, as my post proved your point your point proved mine! :) What's easier, pointing and moaning or speaking?
;)
A 56 year old man who has never used a computer before (my dad) will never grasp the concept of Linux. Why? Because he has no inclination to learn anything about computers. He just wants some info that can be had from them. If Windows is less intuitive than Linux, why did he not want to use Linux? I setup a Redhat desktop for him and he hated it..I setup XP and he hasn't complained much since....We can argue about this all day long, but from my experience, ppl that have never used a computer find Windows easier to learn. I am not saying it isn't better than windows....in some ways it is in some ways it isn't....my point is "who's better" it is "Who's easier"? From my experience, people get acclimated to Windows faster. The same can be said for Apple OSX. While based on BSD, I didn't see a whole bunch of ppl running to download BSD when OSX came out. The refining they did to make it more usable and feature rich to a newbie is it's best feature to most beginners.
As to the "holy grail" of interfaces, IMHO, I would have to say that would be telepathic and not voice.
LOL...I'm not a fanboy of any kind so I ALWAYS get moderated to 0....I really don't care if I look dumb to a bunch of anonymous ppl....and I was right...I'm back down to 1 soon to be 0 ;)
Anyway, that "the people arent ready for linux" statement is far from correct in my view. I have installed Linux for ppl and they STILL didn't like it.....put a 6 year old kid on Linux and he will know it like the back of his/her hand in a couple months....put a 56 year old on the same machine for a couple months and see what happens...answer: they by windows. Until almost anything can be done with the mouse and no shell window pops up when you click an icon or menu selection....they will be just as confused.
In my opinion, and many others I have dealt with, Windows is far more intuitive and walks you through almost anything on a desktop. THAT is where Linux needs to get to make it into the mainstream. Your statements remind me of how Tesla thought, and he died poor and unhappy.....
Exactly...I use Linux, but I am an IT geek. I know several people that are NOT geeks that have tried Linux, all of them went back to Windows. One of them was because of gaming, one was a wifi card in their laptop that they couldn't get to work, another didn't want to go searching for comparable software, etc. Until Linux is as easy to use and as widely supported by OEMs as Windows is....it's a no brainer. These people won't mind paying for Windows because of the frustrations of Linux. IMHO, Linux is, at least at this stage, a geeks/enthusiasts OS. Oh yah, and a broke dudes OS....(Universities, etc.) BTW...no need to insult me....I know I'll get moderated to 0 for this post...
ahhhh...voted to zero again....
huh??? in today's culture, exposure leads to increased downloads, period.
I'm going to give up on the ethical argument for :) But the mouse coordinate problem doesn't need screen shots, just the screen resolution. if the format of the site is the same for all users and the login box doesn't require scrolling down the page (it is usually one of the first things on the page) the screen res would be fine....so the connection would not be impacted very bad.....
"So what happens if say a few of those keyloggers were installed via a mechanism that is, as of the time, unpatched by the OS developers? Is that your fault or the fault of the OS developer?
The article infered theat they would be checking to make sure the normal safeguards were in place and nothing more. If it was a vulnerability that was unpatched AND could not be detected by your AV software, then you would obviuosly not be liable. They are not asking everyone to become security experts, just to do some simple, common sense things that take a trivial amount of time and effort.
"How about we go one step further. Is it the fault of someone handing their credit card to a merchant that someone behind them snapped a photo of the number? Hopefully, your answer to these questions is that it is the fault of the person stealing the information, not the fault of the victim or the bank."
This would be traditional fraud rather than internet and it's straying from the current discussion; but obviously it wouldn't be their fault. "Plain and simple, this is an effort by the banks to absolve themselves of transactional fraud, place liability on the customers, and not be required to take action themselves. There are solutions that break keyloggers and all that jazz and provide a relatively secure environment from the SERVER side of things. I believe my bank took that approach. The basics? If you're connecting from an authorized computer, all you need provide is the account and pin numbers. However, if you are connecting from 'any old computer', a second form of authorization in the form of a mouse-clicked word is requested. This is not something that you will ever use from YOUR PC nor is it anything a keylogger (in the common sense of the concept) pick up on. Net result? It helps secure their server just that much more and yet allows the customer to continue to do business from any location." Here the old saying goes....if you make it idiot proof, you'll find a better idiot.......btw...everytime you click on something, your system determines what you clicked on by the coordinates of the mouse position on the screen....record that instead od an ascii code and you have the same net result....so much for your warm and fuzzy about how "secure" that new system is.....
Oh yah one more thing...the mocking condescension just accentuates the fact that you are a linear thinking annoyance....
And it is just as obvious when Norton displays a bubble everytime you log in saying "Norton Auto-Protect is not running!" and displays an X through the NAV icon by the clock and puts entries in the event logs. You could then call NAV support if you are too inexperienced to reinstall the software or troubleshoot the problem. A very similar situation exists when your virus patterns can't be updated. So, short of a Symantec, McAfee, etc. rep showing up at your house, they've done what they could to alert you. Also, MS has a little shield that started showing up with XP SP2 that tells you when your system isn't secure and even recommends a solution. You don't have to know how to rebuild an engine to know that the check engine light is on!!
As with a reply I posted earlier....how are they going to "take responsibility" for someone else's actions and inactions? If YOUR system is insecure then YOUR system is insecure and not theirs. I get shit like this from users all the time. How am I supposed to protect you or your assets if you don't do the trivial things needed to protect yourself? Again...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.....don't expect the bank to make sure you are protected against yourself....
Well, it didn't sound like they were asking more than an MCSE flunky could do....All they want to do is verify that all of the basic safety measures are there.....to make sure the user made a reasonable effort to protect themselves. I don't think they will require much more than entry level college grads....how hard is it to make sure a reputable AV scanner is installed and a firewall is in place? They didn't say they wouldn't cover fraudulant charges cuz you have a root kit installed that isn't detected by the AV, just that the AV was up to date enough to detect it if possible...