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MacBook Air's Battery is Actually Easy to Replace

pizzach noted that the MacBook Air battery is actually fairly easy to replace. "All it requires is a philips screwdriver. Unlike some of Apple's other products, the battery is not so soldered in which should make a lot of people at least a little bit happier." I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed.

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  1. Keep waiting by adamwright · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want big screens and fast clocks, I'd conjecture you're not the market segment the Air is aimed at. Have you considered a Macbook Pro?

    1. Re:Keep waiting by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you want big screens and fast clocks, I'd conjecture you're not the market segment the Air is aimed at. Have you considered a Macbook Pro?

      And the 17" at that. If that is not big enough you could always convince them to develop the 30" portable, but that would be a tad ridiculous.

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    2. Re:Keep waiting by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to work with some gawdawful Windows IDEs that were clearly designed for a 21" monitor or bigger. So I can't get by with anything less than a 17" notebook. Even so, I'm always fussing with nested split panes.

      Even a good IDE, like Eclipse, probably would be hard to use on anything less than a 15" monitor.

      If I was working in Emacs, or if all I had to do was office type tasks, 13" would be plenty for me.

      Every notebook is a set of compromises. Bigger screens (and faster processors) require larger batteries or shorter battery life, or both, along with greater weight. Tiny screens means much less weight, and greater convenience when you are doing things like trying to fit your laptop and coffee onto a cafe table. I suspect 15" to 17" is a good compromise for most people who need laptops.

      But it is also true that any design that excels in some dimension is bound to be better for some people. I'd like a 20" laptop, because of the software I have to use. When I was traveling a lot, searching for an outlet at the airport was often a big deal, but if I could afford a 20" laptop, I'd just buy a spare battery. I'm a 250 pound weightlifter, and also an extremely light packer, so the space and weight is nothing for me.

      On the other hand, small and light would outweigh other considerations for other people. A 98 pound woman whose travels a lot is going to look at a 20" laptop weight eighteen pounds as an exercise in lugging 20% of her body weight through the airport. For her a MacBook air, at 3 pounds, is actually a heavier load a percentage of her body weight than a typical 17" laptop is for me.

      There are people who would love this thing for its low weight and the convenience of a small package. Even I would find it convenient, if it weren't for the software I have to use.

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    3. Re:Keep waiting by ardin,mcallister · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, instead of comprimizing, I have a 15" laptop, and a Samsung Q1Ultra (7" screen)... you'd be amazed what you can get done on a 7" 1024x600 screen... especially when the battery life is 3:30 even when working hard. I even have a NDS with the browser rom so If all i need is to check my mail, i just pull that out.

      Also, the samsung is great if you wear cargo pants and find yourself constantly needing a computer for something or another. it fits in the cargo pocket. it was great when i went to the wild game with it. had something to do durring breaks.

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    4. Re:Keep waiting by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 0, Troll

      I've developed a three and a half inch portable. IN MY PANTS.

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    5. Re:Keep waiting by hey! · · Score: 1

      I started work in the era of printing terminals and VT100s, so I doubt you could amaze me by doing productive things on a 7" screen, especially if you have young eyes (which I don't anymore).

      However, I'd count adding $1200 of capital expense as at least a little compromise.

      Tell me, do you use Vista on this thing? I find Vista on 2GB barely tolerable without 2GB of ReadyBoost.

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    6. Re:Keep waiting by ardin,mcallister · · Score: 1

      God no, I have XP Tablet edition. The little thing is amazing really... i use it constantly just for browsing the web even at home. But i've been using it for word processing with a rollup keyboard. I like being able to carry my kit in my pockets

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    7. Re:Keep waiting by ardin,mcallister · · Score: 1

      Damnit, i forgot to mention, i got the thing for free from someone, so yeah, didnt have to pay for it... made my own power cable. And yes, i have young eyes... i'm only 22

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    8. Re:Keep waiting by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damnit, i forgot to mention, i got the thing for free from someone, so yeah, didnt have to pay for it... made my own power cable. And yes, i have young eyes... i'm only 22


      You bastard! If you have a trust fund and are only working to amuse yourself, I don't want to hear about it.
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    9. Re:Keep waiting by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I was confused by this comment too. My first reaction to the Air was that it was too big. A replacement for the old 12" PowerBooks would have been nicer, with a 12" or even 10" screen. With a 13" screen, the thickness of the machine isn't so important; I'd rather have something a bit thicker and add another hour to the battery life. That said, I'd love a 200GB flash drive for my MacBook Pro. It's a shame that the SSD option on the air adds 50% to the price.

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    10. Re:Keep waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a 250 pound weightlifter

      ... posting on Slashdot.

      I can die now.

    11. Re:Keep waiting by Bobartig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dell makes a 20" portable, it even has a big beefy integrated handle. At 18.3 lbs, you could use it for some curls on the go, as well.

      http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010

      Being a non-coder working in game development, I had to use IDEs every day, mainly Visual Studio and ProDG. VS was pretty easy to get to a 'reasonably productive' state with a few clicks, but ProDG (for PS3) was this labyrinthine mess, spawning split windows everytime you tried to click anywhere.

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    12. Re:Keep waiting by Andrzej+Sawicki · · Score: 1

      With a 13" screen, the thickness of the machine isn't so important; I'd rather have something a bit thicker and add another hour to the battery life.
      Sounds like a logical next step for the MacBook, no?
    13. Re:Keep waiting by diskis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With the exact same resolution as most 15" models (1680x1050).
      Get the 17" with 1920x1200, same as a desktop 24".

    14. Re:Keep waiting by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, it would be ridiculous. It's not quite 30 inches, but it's still huge. Seriously I don't know why people buy these things. Buy a smaller laptop and hook it up to the big screen when you get to the office/home.

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    15. Re:Keep waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started work in the era of printing terminals and VT100s, so I doubt you could amaze me by doing productive things on a 7" screen, especially if you have young eyes (which I don't anymore).
      Oh yeah? I was using stone tablets and a chisel (a DULL one at that!) before you even knew how to SAY "VT100."

      Now get off my lawn ya young punk!
    16. Re:Keep waiting by mikael · · Score: 1


      And the 17" at that. If that is not big enough you could always convince them to develop the 30" portable, but that would be a tad ridiculous.

      Fold out/slide out side screens is not beyond the realm of possibilty.... maybe you could have them click or snap into place.

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    17. Re:Keep waiting by hey! · · Score: 1

      Sure, which is where having young eyes makes all the difference.

      You can get your biceps stronger by going to the gym. You can't get your eyes stronger, you have to wear reading glasses when you get to my age. I can still see well enough at arms length to read without glasses, but not enough to make out text on the screen at less than ten points is a strain.

      In a few years I'll probably have to wear reading glasses, in which case I probably might as well go back to at 15" laptop.

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    18. Re:Keep waiting by toddestan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see it mostly for the people who plan on using their laptop sitting at their desk almost all of the time, but still want the capability to grab it and go if they need to. It would also make a great system for LAN parties and such.

    19. Re:Keep waiting by oncehour · · Score: 1

      Ah, the John Bobbit special. Very good choice, sir.

    20. Re:Keep waiting by FuturePastNow · · Score: 1

      I think Taco was making a joke, yo.

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    21. Re:Keep waiting by leenks · · Score: 1

      I have a Dell 15" with 1920x1200 - a D800, about 2 years old. Great machine!

    22. Re:Keep waiting by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      And for editors that need to work on location (for whatever reason).

      The Airbook is appealing to me because of the size and weight (I travel). However, the Asus eeePC beats it on both these counts. Sure, I'll lose my beloved OS X. But at prices starting at $299 (for the somewhat anemic Surf), I think I'm going to bite. I just don't have the cash burning a hole in my pocket this year, so as much as I might be lusting after an Airbook, it's just not going to happen. Maybe if a rich relative dies and leaves me some money . . . (I'm looking at YOU, Grandma!)

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    23. Re:Keep waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a portable. That's a luggable. Portables don't weigh nearly 20 pounds, and they have batteries so that you can keep working without being connected to power. If that's portable, the 20" iMac is portable too.

      And I'm not sure why you're posting that thing on here, in a discussion about a lightweight and actually nice computer, that runs a real operating system, not that broken windoze worsta garbage from M$.

      Take it to one of the borg threads.

    24. Re:Keep waiting by Paradox · · Score: 1

      Even a good IDE, like Eclipse, probably would be hard to use on anything less than a 15" monitor.


      Wait, Eclipse is now considered a "good" IDE?

      Wow, standards have fallen.
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    25. Re:Keep waiting by DJSpray · · Score: 1

      >I'm a 250 pound weightlifter

      Well, I'm a 185-pound elite cyclist. But I'm cleverly disguised as an overweight middle-aged software engineer! Unless you are actually seven feet tall or more, your BMI says you're just fat. Are you sure you didn't misspell "obese couch potato who tries to convince himself that he's a jock because he goes to the gym once a week?"

    26. Re:Keep waiting by 3chuck3 · · Score: 1

      I checked out the price of the 1.8GHz 64GB SSD version. The Apple asking price removed the guilt I had from getting into a biding war at Dell Auction over a Lat D400 sub-notebook.

  2. I don't mean to troll but... by toppavak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the whole point of the 'Apple experience' to never have to do something like open up your laptop's case with a screwdriver?

    1. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Yetihehe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't you understand? Steve just tries to entertain mac users and show them new and innovative things (like screwdrivers).

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    2. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the official 'Apple experience' is for Apple to change the battery for you.

      But it is nice to know that isn't impossible for mortals to do it themselves with the help of a simple tool.

    3. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by splortnik2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it depends on the Mac. I've tried to open a grand total of two Apple laptops. One was surprisingly accessible and easy to crack open, one was a nightmare. Don't mean to be harsh, but more generally it's a bit lazy to think that getting the basic user experience right (thoughtful, consistent UI for example) is necessarily at odds with being able to pop open the hood.

    4. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      For apple, a BIG selling point is it's the thinnest thing going for anywhere near those specs. Adding a latch is NOT worth losing that bragging right.

      Also you'd have to consider adding casing for the battery since its no longer considered always protected inside the shell of the computer, so that adds both size and weight. The iPod's internal battery has an "outer case" of foil, hardly suitable for consumer handling. And the connector needs to be something that can handle many hundreds of uses, not just a few. That connector again adds size and some weight. The external battery connectors that apple uses are actually pretty big, and I'd be willing to bet you can't find that much unused space in the Air.

      And considering the claimed battery life, it almost erases the need to carry a spare battery.

      My watch has a battery that I can't replace myself. I have to take it into the store for them to crack it open because it's a diver's watch and requires a special tool to unscrew the back cover. Does this bother me? no. I expect it. Your car needs the transmission serviced after so many miles, and that's not considered a user-maintenance thing either. There are many more examples. It's not like you throw it away when the battery goes out... Now THAT you would have room to complain about.

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    5. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by toppavak · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Having the battery screwdriver accessible is a good thing for the long run so you can replace the battery once it dies, but most of the complaints I've personally heard about the non-swappable battery are related to the Air's role as an ultraportable and not being able to swap batteries on long haul flights or trips when power may not be available- which a screwdriver to the case doesn't really address. Even an external USB battery expander would defeat the purpose of an ultraportable- it'd be a little awkward to have a brick sticking out of the side of your sleek sexy ultra thin Air.

    6. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by toppavak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery? I completely understand what you're here, I was just trying to make the point that proposing this 'solution' to assuage peoples' concerns about not having a swappable battery is a little... disingenuous to the ideal of the Mac as easy to use. If someone doesn't want to buy a Mac cause they can't swap batteries, being able to swap batteries by opening up the case isn't going to change that.

      And considering the claimed battery life, it almost erases the need to carry a spare battery. For a lot of people, I can see this being the case, but equally not the case for many other people that want ultraportables. A 5 hour battery life on a 16 hour flight would be a bit... lacking. Not to mention people that travel to underdeveloped regions. Especially considering the 5 hour rating is probably the max not the minimum. I'd much rather have a slightly larger laptop (like a thinkpad X61) with the oversized battery giving 10 hours of juice and keep the original 5 hour battery in my bag for emergencies.
    7. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by russlar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't the whole point of the 'Apple experience' to never have to do something like open up your laptop's case with a screwdriver?
      someone remind this guy that the first mac was made of wood.
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    8. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by splortnik2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, this is true. I don't know why it doesn't bother me as I'm someone that used to buy extra batteries by default with any new laptop. Probably a combination of more plugs on flights, a pretty good claimed battery life, and exposure to the Apple RDF.

    9. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by PerfectMark · · Score: 0

      And someone remind this guy it was actually a Mac.

    10. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't service your own transmission? Wuss.

    11. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by thegnu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      These Sansa e200 things have these neat little beveled screws that add approximately .04 microns to the width of the device. I actually WOULDN'T want a latch on my MP3 player that disengaged the battery, thank you very much. But beveled screws...I'm so excited about where this new technology will take pioneers like Apple!
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    12. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Murphy+Murph · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These Sansa e200 things have these neat little beveled screws that add approximately .04 microns to the width of the device. I actually WOULDN'T want a latch on my MP3 player that disengaged the battery, thank you very much. But beveled screws...I'm so excited about where this new technology will take pioneers like Apple!


      The Sansa E200 series actually proves the grandparent's point.
      The Sansa E200 series contains the three most-requested features the iPod Nano lacks:
      FM radio.
      Expansion card slot.
      Easily swappable battery.

      What do we get?
      A device almost exactly twice as thick as the thickest Nano.
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    13. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by photomonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your car needs the transmission serviced after so many miles, and that's not considered a user-maintenance thing either.

      Changing the gearbox fluid on my TJ is easier than changing the engine oil. Break open the fill nut (to let air into the transmission) and open the drain plug. Close drain plug and add gear oil until it starts dribbling out of the fill hole. Then tighten the fill nut, and you're done. And even engine oil is that plus filter.

      What seems easy and simple to some (read: user serviceable) is difficult for others.

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    14. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your watch doesn't run down in a matter of hours. Your car transmission doesn't break down in a matter of hours either. Heck, not even an iPod does that.

      Does the Macbook Air not having easily replaceable batteries bother me? Yes it does. Because having replaceable batteries is something I EXPECT from a laptop. A drained laptop is next to useless.

    15. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >Even an external USB battery expander would defeat the purpose of an ultraportable- it'd be a little awkward to have a brick sticking out of the side of your sleek sexy ultra thin Air.

      in that case, surely having a swapable battery would also defeat the point as you'd be carrying another battery with you everywhere.

      I genuinely can't understand the mentality of all these people who claim to be constantly going on 10+ hour flights with no access power sockets and want an ultraportable laptop but also want to carry the weight of several spare batteries.

      post screenshots of your airline tickets or you're all a bunch of whining fucking liars.

      personally, I don't care about swapping batteries because I never want to carry a spare with me anyway. if a slimmer design means having to visit a store in person every 2 years or so to have it changed, then get over it or buy a different laptop.

    16. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1, Informative

      >I'd much rather have a slightly larger laptop (like a thinkpad X61) with the oversized battery giving 10 hours of juice and keep the original 5 hour battery in my bag for emergencies.

      guess it sucks for you that Jobs is holding a gun to your head to buy an Air then isn't it. oh, wait...

      on the battery life quote of 5 hours: this is different from other quotes. it is not a maximum, but a "productive" quote. Jobs pointed out that this is with wireless services turned on and not the usual turn-everything-off maximum life quote.

    17. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Nikker · · Score: 1

      Your basing your whole argument on the assumption that Apple would cut and paste a mack book latch onto the mac air? Apple is all about engineering, if you think they would go through all that trouble to design something and then finish it off with a hack then you are talking about the wrong company. I can guarantee you Apple can come up with a design that would allow the battery to be accessed with out a screw driver and with out some big tab sticking out of the bottom. If anything the next generation should shoot for 10hrs of usage on a single battery, power consumption as well as battery design is making leaps forward everyday.

      On top of it all you compare a system that needs attention to power every 5 hours to a watch that needs attention maybe every month? I know that my watches are fairly simple and the batteries last over a year but maybe you have something different. If you were changing/charging your watch battery every 5 hours would you still be going to someone to do it for you? Then you compare an engines transmission to the laptop battery? Wouldn't the equivalent of the cars transmission be the motherboard? Could I now say changing batteries is equivalent to getting a new engine? Maybe a battery is really a CPU ? Cause from what I've heard a car also has a battery and that battery lasts much longer then 5 hours(provided the car is running ;)

      I just get peeved when people pull dumb comparisons out of their ass. The battery is what enables a system to carry out its function, I'm sure with the design of the air the battery is about all you will be able to touch, but again it is the only thing included in the design that will effect the system functionality to the point where the user has to be concerned. If you had to fill your gas tank for a full hour for every 5 hours of driving it might not be that big of a deal unless you need to keep on driving.

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    18. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by localman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is why you can probably take it in to the Apple Store and they'll replace it for you.

      Actually, I have many complaints about the Apple Store service, but just last week they fixed a keyboard problem on the spot by replacing a few keys and didn't charge me anything. So I wouldn't be surprised if they would install a battery you bought.

      Cheers.

    19. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by /ASCII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The gist of the second half of your post seems to be that the main problem with the Air is that it doesn't fix every single problem and complaint that people of today has with laptops. It doesn't have to. There is a market for different laptops with different tradeoffs. Personally, I value small and light very highly, so I'd definitely consider buying an Air if I hadn't bought a pretty sweet computer 6 months ago. But I may very well beuy an Air 2.0 in a year or two.

      BTW, we have 5 X61s at work, and with the oversized battery they get more like 7 hours. Not that much more than the claimed 5 hours from the air, and the oversized battery is OMG HUEG!1!!

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    20. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by fermion · · Score: 1
      A game or toy is wonderful thing. It does not matter if it not of perfect quality, if the uptime is bad, or if actually works for any useful purpose. This allows new technology to be tested in a safe environment. For example, the iPod is toy. Though expensive, it is not a critical device, and if it does not work, no real money will likely be lost. If it is critical, like a watch, many can buy two, and if one breaks, no data or time is lost. Otherwise, if the battery fails, nothing huge is usually lost.

      We saw this toy issue with the iPhone. Phones have become critical tools, and the idea that such a tool is not reliable is scary to some people. In the iphone case, the battery will likely last long enough, but it requires a store visit, at least, to replace a battery. That down time pushes it to the toy category.

      Now the macbook air. Clearly lack of upgradable memory and swappable battery gave way to a small size. Everyone is saying how small it is. But even without the slant, it would still be small. And without the slant maybe it could have a removable battery, an option to go up to 4 gigs of memory, and maybe even a fireport.

      Clearly the machine was designed to be a testing platform, a toy so to speak, rather than a serious machine. This is probably why there was no backlash against the leaks. The macbook air exists to test the technology and market. It is not the successor to PowerBook 12" that many of us wanted. I believe most of the complaints stem for this. If I want a tiny machine to carry around, even if I am willing to pay $2K, Apple sells nothing I can buy. It is a sad day when Apple does not sell a high end machine to meet high end fashion needs.

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    21. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by thegnu · · Score: 1

      What do we get?
      A device almost exactly twice as thick as the thickest Nano.

      Correlation != Causation, so it doesn't prove a point. The Sansa costs significantly less than the Nano, and it's 2 years old. I'm not talking about the FM radio or the multimedia card. I'm talking about the user-replaceable battery, which shouldn't add more than a 0.1" at most. Add a bezel for the casing to hook to, and use indented screws at the other end. It's simple engineering, so your claim that it adds size is ridiculous. Open up your Sansa, and you'll see that it's not the casing or the battery that necessitates the thickness. Open your Nano, and... Oh, wait, you can't.

      And have you seen the Sansa View? It's 0.35" while the nano is 0.27". I'm not mathermaflitian, but I think that that's not double.

      The Sansa e200 series is more appropriately sized for (my) pocket space than the new Nano, anyway. Just not thinner. Oh, and with the Sansa, I don't have to feel guilty about buying into an A&F-esque pop culture load of hot hooey. But that's just my personal preference.
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    22. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by DrXym · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      I don't accept that for a second. Apple is allegedly a company which comes up with clever designs, yet not for batteries it seems. Instead they expect people either to throw away their otherwise fully functioning iPod / Air and buy a new one, or do without an iPod / Air for a week or more while its sent off to some expensive replacement program. And in the case of iPod you're not even guaranteed to get back the iPod you sent out.

      I doubt it would add any significant thickness to the Air to add a battery compartment. Who says it even has to be accessed from the underside? It could be slotted in from the side or in some other way that might allow Apple to call it an innovation.

      If this were any other company but Apple, people wouldn't be making excuses for them. Sealed in batteries suck and Apple's use of them is a cynical ploy to force people to upgrade a few years down the line when they die.

    23. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Being unable to swap batteries is not a problem. Running out of battery is a problem, and being able to swap batteries is often a solution to this problem. Increasing the battery life is a better solution. The Air is supposed to get 5 hours of battery life and the SSD option is supposed to increase this to 6 hours in normal use. Having a laptop that is useable for a working day without needing charging is a lot more useable than having one that lasts half of the day but allows you to swap batteries for most people.

      The other issue people have, that batteries wear out after extended use and are cheaper to replace than the devices that contain them, is addressed by this article.

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    24. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by srh2o · · Score: 1

      I understand your need to make the car analogy, but you swerve away at the last minute and attempt to draw our attention to the transmission of the car. The problem with you analogy is that most car batteries are relatively easy for the end user to change.

    25. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by jonnythan · · Score: 1

      People who regularly get on 16-hour flights or travel to underdeveloped nations regularly are presumably not the target for the Macbook Air, I'd say.

      I've had lots of laptops and have never, ever, ever carried a spare battery for one. For 95% of laptop buyers - and 100% of Macbook Air buyers - having the battery built-in simply isn't an issue. For all of those people who need swappable batteries, go buy a Macbook Pro. Or, better yet, a ToughBook.

    26. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by jonnythan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The View that's just a *little* thicker than a Nano doesn't have a user-replaceable battery ;)

      In fact, it's not replaceable at all. Sansa has no battery replacement program whatsoever for the View.

    27. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Sansa costs significantly less than the Nano, and it's 2 years old

      1 - Cost is not the argument - thickness is.
      2 - I was comparing the E200 in thickness to the Nano 1st gen, which came out before the E200.

      And have you seen the Sansa View? It's 0.35" while the nano is 0.27". I'm not mathermaflitian, but I think that that's not double.

      The View has a removable battery?
      Nope.

      The Sansa e200 series is more appropriately sized for (my) pocket space than the new Nano, anyway.

      The discussion was on the objective term "thinner" - not your subjective opinion.

      Oh, and with the Sansa, I don't have to feel guilty about buying into an A&F-esque pop culture load of hot hooey.

      Despite your disclaimer - you have only brought subjective complaints to an objective discussion.

    28. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Macdude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone doesn't want to buy a Mac cause they can't swap batteries, being able to swap batteries by opening up the case isn't going to change that.

      There are two kinds of people wanting to swap batteries, one wants to swap them frequently when the battery runs down, and the other wants to be able to swap them occasionally when the battery starts to fail. Being able to open the case with a screwdriver and swap the battery appeals to the latter group.

      For a lot of people, I can see this being the case, but equally not the case for many other people that want ultraportables. A 5 hour battery life on a 16 hour flight would be a bit... lacking.

      So you'd rather buy and carry around three spare batteries rather than shell out $49 on a MagSafe Airline Adapter?

      Sorry, but this all sounds like the standard response to any new apple product, people look for reasons not to like it.

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    29. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I genuinely can't understand the mentality of all these people who claim to be constantly going on 10+ hour flights with no access power sockets and want an ultraportable laptop but also want to carry the weight of several spare batteries. I suspect it's the crew that buys "desktop replacement" laptops and then need to carry around a spare battery for each 45 minutes of use. A friend of mine had a Dell laptop with a P4, and even with both slots filled with batteries it barely got an hour of time. He recently bought a Lenovo x61s with the extended battery (4+ hours) and is much, much happier. The x61s also dispenses with the DVD drive, but he doesn't miss it - he has an external that sits on his desk at home.
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    30. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by v1 · · Score: 1

      I suppose that depends on the vehicle. My truck takes awhile to change the battery in. Lets see, lift hood, remove three bolts, unhook power cables, remove and replace battery, reattach cables, reattach bolts, and close lid.

      Besides the order of the bolts and the cover, the whole process appears very similar to the Air, wouldn't you agree?

      Or would you prefer your car have a handle sticking out on the front quarterpanel you just pull and out comes the battery?

      And I'm going to have to change my battery this month, out in what is currently -15degF with wind, and wrestle a 40lb battery. I think I'd prefer changing one in the Air. Tell you what, you do my truck battery, I'll do your Air.

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    31. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by thegnu · · Score: 1

      1 - Cost is not the argument - thickness is.

      Making the same electronic functionality smaller is a cost issue. See Mac fanatics about how the Mac mini is incredibly cheap. Price is an issue when you're talking about form factor.

      2...
      The View has a removable battery?
      Nope.

      GAAAAH!!!
      *ahem*
      Touche. :-)

      Despite your disclaimer - you have only brought subjective complaints to an objective discussion.

      Yes, and GGP (or whoever replied to me originally) introduced logical fallacy. And (s)he argued with me about components that I wasn't referring to. On the A&F crap: I thought I was entitled to my blowhardy opinion. This is, in fact, slashdot. No? Speech curtailed, suits AC whims! Articles omitted! Slashdot more concise! News at 11!
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    32. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Air's role as an ultraportable and not being able to swap batteries on long haul flights...

      In flight laptop power ("Empower")is becoming more common, especially in business class. See http://www.chaddickerson.com/blog/2006/05/15/laptop-power-on-planes-observations-tips-and-lessons/

    33. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Take a look at any Volkswagen, and say that again ;)

    34. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Nessak · · Score: 1
      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      That just isn't true. Look at the bottom of a Macbook Pro and notice the little flap with two little screws -- behind that is where the user can easily replace the memory. The metal flap is

      Apple may have their reasons for making a battery that can't be replaced but don't say they couldn't have added one of they wanted. If apple can figure out how to solve much more complex design and manufacturing problems, they could have figured out a way to make a replaceable battery and still kept the computer under 1".

    35. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by ksheff · · Score: 1

      don't forget the external battery charger so you can charge up those three batteries when you get to your destination.

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    36. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by salimma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A 5 hour battery life on a 16 hour flight would be a bit... lacking. Not to mention people that travel to underdeveloped regions. Especially considering the 5 hour rating is probably the max not the minimum.


      Completely agree there, and that is what external batteries are for (battery packs that connect to the laptop's power plug). Unfortunately, last time I check, there's no official third-party MagSafe licensee -- I noticed mikegyver.com but that looked rather fishy.
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    37. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      Well, it won't matter if it's only in that class and not in the rest of the passenger compartment of the plane.

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    38. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by ernst_mulder · · Score: 1

      Insightful?

      Apple didn't tell anyone to open a case with a screwdriver. In fact the "Apple experience" is to not have to open the case to replace any battery at all...

    39. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      Right, because there are no intercontinental flights, NOBODY would EVER spend 13 hours to go from LA to London, for example. Or 11+ hours to go to Tokyo.

      Just because your job doesn't require intercontinental travel doesn't mean that is true for all of the rest of us.

    40. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by dufachi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, up next on Jobs' list is the iScrew; a $75 screw driver used just for opening up your MacBook Air to swap the battery.

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    41. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over Christmas, I flew Southwest domestic from the east coast (BWI) to the west coast (Sacramento) with a quick flight change in Phoenix. While not my first choice, someone else bought the ticket, so I wasn't about to complain. Total transit time, as noted on the ticket: 8 hours 23 minutes, including the plane change. Total time in front of a wall plug: 30 minutes in Phoenix. I have been on many domestic flights that invlove 10 hours of transit time with hardly any chance for a recharge. Add the two hours of security and check in on the front-end and the hour of bag claim on the back end, and it takes almost 12 hours to traverse the county by airplane sometimes. Of this, if I want to put in a full day's work, I will be on the computer for 7 hours at least. If security is abnormally quick, I might even have an extra hour at the gate.

      Then consider that airlines only fly 70 percent of flights ontime, and you could be bench-warming the tarmac for a couple hours too.

      Bottom line for me: unless I am going across the country, I am on a train. They even have 110 volt plugs! I can plug in a deck and a hard drive and digitize DV tapes on the train. Sweet. LA to SFO? Train. DC to Boston? Train. SeaTac to PDX? Train. New Orleans to Houston? Yeah...the damn train.

      The airlines suck at this point and most of them don't have even those 15 volt plugs. I'd rather have a longer, comfortable productive trip than be a piece of cattle.

    42. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by zenkonami · · Score: 1

      And suddenly it occurs to me.

      Accurate as this post is, Apple has the most brilliant marketing strategy ever. They have thousands upon thousands of genuine fans out there who will defend and promote their products in every way possible, from digging out the facts to providing various anecdotes, and they will do it all for free.

      Apple, meanwhile, just pretends to keep everything a secret until it's released (creating a "buzz"), and then let's fanboys and haters duke it out. All Apple has to do is provide product specs and make a product that looks so cool that people don't want to argue with it.

      Not a criticism or a compliment...just an observation.

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    43. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah like ieverything, and fast workstations and ipods... yeah im sure windows is the one screwing people ;)

    44. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >Just because your job doesn't require intercontinental travel doesn't mean that is true for all of the rest of us.

      I do travel; nationally, internationally and intercontinentally. never interhemispherically though :(. strictly speaking, I'm not REQUIRED to, but it's a great aspect of my job and makes things easier overall.

      I take my laptop with me. 4-5 hours battery life. don't bother with spares. never had a seat with a plug because, but never tried to get one. still alive to tell the tale.

      just because you have poor planning or coping skills doesn't mean the rest of us feel doomed by the prospect of some limitations to our laptop use. do you know, there was once a time when people didn't have laptops AT ALL!!!!

    45. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      >Even an external USB battery expander would defeat the purpose of an ultraportable- it'd be a little awkward to have a brick sticking out of the side of your sleek sexy ultra thin Air.

      in that case, surely having a swapable battery would also defeat the point as you'd be carrying another battery with you everywhere. There's a big difference between carrying a battery that you can swap and put back in your bag and having a battery tethered via cable to the machine. Though I respect your point about not wanting to carry another battery around, it's not a total defeat of his point.
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    46. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Where did you get the numbers for the 6-hour/SSD option?

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    47. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by sco08y · · Score: 1

      I genuinely can't understand the mentality of all these people who claim to be constantly going on 10+ hour flights with no access power sockets and want an ultraportable laptop but also want to carry the weight of several spare batteries.

      Moreover, I don't think any of them have actually *bought* spare batteries or they'd realize what a waste of money they are.

      I bought myself a spare battery and it occasionally came in handy. But it doesn't justify the expense, especially when you realize that Li ion batteries lose capacity not only every time you go through a recharge cycle, but also just from sitting around. (Even if you discharge them monthly as you're supposed to.)

      It doesn't matter if you use one or two batteries, you'll wind up replacing them twice every three years. You'll just be spending an extra $80 for the very occasional convenience.

    48. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by pafrusurewa · · Score: 1

      NOBODY would EVER spend 13 hours to go from LA to London
      Seeing as there are about a bazillion non-stop flights from LAX to LHR, I'm not sure why anybody would; 13 hrs means that it isn't a non-stop flight (which would be 10 to 11 hours in my experience).
    49. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm deeply impressed by those people who can remain conscious for 10+ hours on an airplane. By dialing everything down to a minimum, I can coax nearly 5 hours document reading and writing out of my 12" G4 PB, but its battery usually outlasts mine, between oxygen deprivation, the constant loud hum, and the fact I'm usually got out of bed at two hours before gawdawful to get to the airport and thru' all the security rites.

    50. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      Well, I also travel a lot, and I ALWAYS take spares, since it is the difference between turning a long flight into a productive business day and being bored to death by some silly in-flight romantic comedy. And yeah I have an ibook right now, so I am not actually anti-Apple or anything.

      As usual, the "we have coped without before" argument makes no sense at all. We have coped without cellphones before, but if you travel a lot, you'll still pick one that gives you the best coverage wherever you intend to go. Likewise, most people will of course pick a notebook that provides the best availability for their travel, and that means the Air is probably not going to be at the top of their list.

    51. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by djh101010 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it depends on the Mac. I've tried to open a grand total of two Apple laptops. One was surprisingly accessible and easy to crack open, one was a nightmare. Don't mean to be harsh, but more generally it's a bit lazy to think that getting the basic user experience right (thoughtful, consistent UI for example) is necessarily at odds with being able to pop open the hood.

      I've been inside 3 Dells, one Toshiba, and one IBM Thinkpad. All three of them were a certified pain in the ass. Not sure how "hard to work on stuff inside" is in any way unique to Apple. In the case of the Air, from the pics, it's a case of "unscrew the cover and unplug the battery", which oddly enough is exactly the same thing I had to do to upgrade RAM on my Dell D600 - unscrew a cover, unplug something, and plug something else in.

      Not disagreeing with your point, don't get me wrong - but it's funny that so many people started out whining about the battery not being replacable (it is), are now complaining that you need to (GASP!) use a screwdriver to do it. It's really not a big deal. The only drawback I see is that you can't have two batteries and swap them on the fly. I don't spend that much time away from some sort of power outlet, so for me, it's a non-problem.
    52. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by MentlFlos · · Score: 1

      iScrew.... I like the sound of that.

    53. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      And we can look forward to several Slashdot articles and mainstream news articles telling us of the unique and innovative iScrew...

      (Why do we not hear about all the other light and thin laptops? I was misled to believe that the Air was something uniquely new, due to all the coverage it was getting.)

    54. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just had to comment, because I too bought a pretty sweet computer for myself a few months ago, and in my case it was an X61s. I couldn't be (much) happier overall. :)

      Keep in mind, that the "claimed" life of the oversized X61s battery is 8-8.5 hours*. Keeping typical exaggeration (let alone Apple(tm) exaggeration) in mind, that claimed 5 hours for the Air will end up being 4 hours or so. Most suspicious to me, is that they don't advertise a battery benefit for the solid state drive, where you would expect it to be notable. This leads me to think that the "5 hours" claim is at quiescence.

      And that is only for a few months... Now, the X61s battery design seems clumsy (I wouldn't call it huge...) until one notes that heat is murder for LIon batts, especially during charge/discharge. Once I got used to the weird "fulcrum" battery design I quickly began to appreciate that my battery life has not declined in the past few months, whereas I lost about 50 mWh each cycle on my iBook G4 (final model). I suspect strongly that this was due to effect of temperature. (Of course one can remove the batt while using AC power, but this itself seems to wear the contacts.)

      (Of course the overall thermal efficiency of the Macbook Air may help mitigate this, we'll see...)

      *: Throttling the backlight is the best way to do it, although trading off your vision for 30-60 minutes of battery life is probably unwise.

    55. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by catmandi · · Score: 1

      I don't know what kind of hardware you guys roll, but all my laptops have shared the same problem. If you use them as your main machine (i.e. Go to work, plug in, go to lunch take it with you, use it on the train) then the battery life goes down drmatically. My macbook pro was down to 65% charge capacity within 11 months. I was told by the nice person in the store that this was perfectly normal. I can also see circumstances where the laptop might end up containing sensitive data - how happy will the owners be for it to disappear into the apple ether for a week while its baterry gets replaced.

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    56. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      The iScrew isn't a new product. Anyone who's had to deal with the screw that holds the RAM cover on the old eMacs knows this.

      For those that don't: Picture a screw that looks perfectly normal; in fact, it looks a bit more substantial than most. Imagine now that you could manufacture this screw in some amazing material that allows it to be torqued up to approximately 10 ft lbs in the factory, yet deform into twisted uselessness at the mere touch of a screwdriver.

      That, truly, is an iScrew...

      Old Macheads are nodding silently in agreement. Mere users, who dared to approach this screw with anything less than the correctly-sized screwdriver (#2 Pozidrive, IIRC) and a firm downward pressure, are gibbering in fear at the repressed memory of the experience...

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    57. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by v1 · · Score: 1

      That just isn't true. Look at the bottom of a Macbook Pro and notice the little flap with two little screws -- behind that is where the user can easily replace the memory. The metal flap is

      I think you are confusing the coin operated battery latch on the outside bottom of the macbook that I am describing, with the "L" shaped metal cover over the RAM slots inside the battery bay. Not sure how though. Oh you're talking about the MacBook Pro, not the MacBook. That has a pair of slide latches to hold in the battery, and they actually take up a substantial amount of space inside the case.

      BTW, (on the MacBook) you can see the underside of the latch if you pull out the hard drive, to get a good gauge for how thick it is. If you want to complain about something, complain about how they didn't make it easy to upgrade the HD in a Pro. THAT you will have a good case for. Easy as cake on a MacBook tho.

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    58. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by shadow349 · · Score: 1

      but most of the complaints I've personally heard about the non-swappable battery are related to the Air's role as an ultraportable and not being able to swap batteries on long haul flights or trips when power may not be available
      Well, the FAA took care of that complaint.
    59. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So get a notebook from a decent manufacturer. My previous (toshiba) had still 75% battery capacity after two years, my current one (benq) has 85% after a year. Looks like apple sucks in another way.

    60. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      The gist of the second half of your post seems to be that the main problem with the Air is that it doesn't fix every single problem and complaint that people of today has with laptops. It doesn't have to. There is a market for different laptops with different tradeoffs.

      But why then do we only hear about the Air? Loads of Slashdot articles, all the way up to mainstream news coverage like the BBC. Yet nothing on these other laptops - I didn't even know there were other thin ones until someone pointed them out to me.

      Given the coverage it gets as if it's something new and revolutionary, I'm expecting it to fix pretty much near every single problem. If it's actually just yet another laptop, then I don't expect to keep hearing about it.

    61. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Lally+Singh · · Score: 1

      Swapping an HD in a Pro's about an hour's job. Considering how slowly larger HDDs are available in laptop form factors at decent prices, I'm not complaining that I might have to spend an hour every 2 yrs.

      Of course, swapping RAM's still takes less time than to order it from crucial. Goddamn list boxes keep going on forever.

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    62. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Even an external USB battery expander would defeat the purpose of an ultraportable- it'd be a little awkward to have a brick sticking out of the side of your sleek sexy ultra thin Air. Absolutely, obviously the purpose of having such a sleek PC is that you can bring three with you so that they can last through long flights.
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    63. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by jerkychew · · Score: 1

      I guess he thought that they had had enough of putty knives

    64. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by /ASCII · · Score: 1

      Because Apple are better at selling than LG and Asus? Seriously, Apple usually have nice solid products, but they're usually not that revolutionary, not in the last 15 years. Was the iPod that revolutionary? Was the iMac? iTunes? None of them offered anything which hadn't been largely done before, and neither does the Air, but all of them seem to be solid products with a winning combination of market focus and style.

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    65. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Gyga · · Score: 2, Funny
      Uses for a dead laptop:
      • Balancing a table
      • Distracting muggers from your wallet
      • Door stop (The air might not work here)
      • Booster seat (air won't work here)
      • Hitting people (the Air might make a good knife...)
      • Low caliber bullet shield
      • Defense from a single zombie.
      • Break a window to escape from zombies
      • Makeshift ninja throwing star
      • MacGyver snowboard/high yield explosive
      • Cutting board for preparing food
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    66. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Gyga · · Score: 1

      RAM != Battery. You add RAM maybe once in a year. Most people who travel or use a laptop for anything other than a desktop have to switch the battery at least once a week because they don't have access to power (many places seem to frown on you charging appliances off their outlets).

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    67. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      I got flamed bigtime on a listserv for advocating that people could open a classic Macintosh (actually an SE/30) using a regular long handle flat blade screwdriver. It wedged right into the torx head, and makes it a simple trip to any hardware store to get the deep screw out and open the Mac.

      I came to believe from the experience that Apple enthusiasts LIKE needing special tools.

    68. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      There's an apple.slashdot.org and not a lenovo.slashdot.org mainly because there isn't an Amiga laptop (or much of an Amiga anything anymore,) so people with that personality now have to buy Apple.

    69. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Informative

      Battery compartments are NEVER 'simple engineering' for anything more complex than a flashlight. It's one of the most expensive parts of enclosure design, particularly if it incorporates generic batteries like an AA cell, where you have to accommodate any kind of battery someone picks up when traveling somewhere.

      I have maintained for some time that Apple's designers just aren't capable enough to design enclosures with removable batteries. Good camera companies, who've been in the business since Apple was producing the Apple 1 (which was sold just as a bare circuit board) have got it right. Apple focuses instead on sleek and chic.

    70. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by thebigbadwolf · · Score: 0

      Who cares about the thickness, most people cannot feel the difference between 0.27" (nano) and 0.5" (sansa e200) in their pockets, which is where my player sits most of the time. Its still pretty thin, portable and you get: A user-replaceable battery FM (I don't get how iPod users don't complain about this) An expansion card slot Reasons why I bought a sansa-e200 and not a nano.

    71. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Apple is all about chic and fashion, and 'industrial design' (you know, things like 'artists'- did you know that most of Frank Lloyd Wright's houses are tumbledown ruins now because he was an artist, not an engineer?)

      Don't besmirch engineering by saying that Apple is about engineering. Woz has been gone for decades now, ya know.

    72. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      My beetle had the batter underneath the back seat. You didn't even have to go into the engine compartment to replace it.

      (I am not talking about the _thing_ they are presently marketing as a 'beetle'.)

    73. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by sogoodsofarsowhat · · Score: 1

      I do quite a few asia trips from the usa a year (read 10+ hours). Every seat im in has a 110 plug for power so no worries about battery life. I think some people are full of it complaining about battery life on overseas flights. Simply put in an economy seat your not going to get 10 hours of work done. Plain and simple. It is physically demanding to sit in those tiny seats that long. All business and 1st class seats have their own power plugs...and if your flight doesnt you need to find another airline.

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    74. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The first Mac's enclosure was made of plastic. The first mouse (which was invented before either Apple founder had even entered puberty) had a wooden case.

      If you meant the first Apple computer, well, the Apple I was sold as a bare circuit board. It included a scratchpad area on the board for you to solder in inverters, if the third-party parallel strobing ascii keyboard you picked out to attach to it had the reverse logic from the default. It also didn't include the power transformer, just the rectifier and regulator, because it was deemed too expensive to ship a heavy iron transformer. So, to do anything at all with the first Apple computer, you needed soldering skills and also needed to know how to interface a parallel strobing keyboard to the Apple's circuit board. Which sort of agrees with the point you were making.

      But the first Apple did not have a wood enclosure except for in the form it was 'bundled' by some third party integrators.

    75. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The Apple experience is for it to be impossible to open the enclosure.

      Steve Jobs boasted about that ("hacker proof") as a feature at a press conference at the Macintosh launch.

    76. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      I genuinely can't understand the mentality of all these people who claim to be constantly going on 10+ hour flights with no access power sockets and want an ultraportable laptop but also want to carry the weight of several spare batteries.

      It's simple. I want an ultaportable because, when I get where I am going, it is good to have a small laptop to carry around meetings. Then I can leave the extra battery in the office and switch it out at lunch so I have a fresh battery for the afternoon. I also want to use the laptop on the flight there, and since it is a transatlantic flight it lasts 8-9 hours and Air Canada does not have power sockets in their economy seats yet (although they do have them on some domestic flights so I guess they will eventually get them on intercontinental ones too).

      The mentality I find really hard to understand is the one which says that you shouldn't add 1-2mm of thickness for a catch to allow the battery to be replaced! Lets face it the number of people who will not buy it because they cannot quickly replace the battery (effecting an instant recharge) will be huge compared to the number of people would would not buy it if it were 2 mm thicker. Afterall, even 2mm thicker it would still be the world's thinest laptop.

      post screenshots of your airline tickets or you're all a bunch of whining fucking liars.

      You don't believe that people fly transatlantic? I don't have a boarding pass at the moment since I only fly in the summer when I'm not lecturing but I don't see why it is so hard to believe that people do this. There are lots of planes and the ones I fly on are usually close to full.

    77. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by dafing · · Score: 2, Funny
      Its almost funny that posts like yours pop up nowadays :)

      The first iMac, friggin wow, can you think of a computer from that era? I know what I was using, but I bet you dont remember any OTHER one as much as you would the iMac and your own computer(s). I was at school at the time, and we got a Mac using principal, he bought the school macs. It was truly a miracle in every sense of the word :) We went from these huge beige boxes, and mice that had SCREW IN connectors for gods sake, big white mice with "MICROSOFT" on them, terrible shape, to a bunch of iMacs with The Puck. The Principal got himself the best iMac, the DV, for video editing, it was BLACK and had a better video card basically, maybe more firewire or something too. That one came with the Apple Pro Mouse. That was the first Optical Mouse I had seen, and I was smitten. Lusting for a mouse!

      The iPod was the same for me, my cousin brought her 3G over to my work and let me play with it, I didnt even listen to one single song, just played with the scroll wheel and saw what it had to offer. I wanted one from the very first second I saw it. Nothing else at that time, about 2003, had the same effect. Sony Discmans, maybe a similar price, they were just crap now. Any other HDD music players were JUNK.

      I think the Macbook Air looks great, not for me, but its still great. I can respect that people out there want one. I guess you can blame the other manufacturers for not being in the same "league" as Apple. Theres no ASUSWORLD, I dont get excited over a new NEC laptop. Showmanship counts, think about, Jobs showed the first iBook, it was using wifi, the audience didnt know that, they were blown away by those bright colours already, and then he put it on the net, and passed that laptop through a hoop. No wires. The crowd loved it. I loved it.

      If other companies made products as good as Apples, then Apples would come down in price, and there would be more features developed, through competition. There just isnt anything out there that does it for me the same as the Apple products do.

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    78. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Westacular · · Score: 1

      I'd add "Voice Recorder" as the fourth most-requested item, which the E200 also has.

    79. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by djh101010 · · Score: 1

      RAM != Battery. You add RAM maybe once in a year. Most people who travel or use a laptop for anything other than a desktop have to switch the battery at least once a week because they don't have access to power (many places seem to frown on you charging appliances off their outlets).

      If you say so. I have yet to have my laptop battery go dead because I couldn't charge it. (shrug) Maybe it's a big deal to you, but to me, not so much. For the record, I use my laptop on battery power several times a week - just not for 5 hours at a time without seeing an outlet I can use. Planes, trains, both have 'em. Automobiles, well, buy a charger if it matters. Not sure what the problem is.
    80. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      if it's only in that class

      It's becoming standard in all classes, but for now you have to check beforehand on which seats.

    81. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not everyone needs battery-life. My laptop at work had a -dead- battery for probably a month before I even discovered. I could live perfectly well with a laptop with -zero- battery.

      I -do- take it with me: To customers to demonstrate something, back home if I'm planning to work from home for a day or two, to the meeting-room to give a presentation.

      But it's always plugged in, except when I visit customers, which is why I discovered the dead battery at all. Luckily I discovered it before going, because I checked if the battery was fully charged, only to discover, infact it was stone-dead, the laptop would not even boot from it.

      I'm guessing there's a -LOT- of laptops that see extremely seldom any battery-use at all.

      Has to do with battery lifetime though. I need a fairly powerful laptop, which means sucky battery-life. If a laptop had 10-20 hour battery-life, I could work from home for a day or two without a power-adapter. But since I'm going to need extra juice anyway, I might as well keep the thing plugged in. (less of a hassle than swapping and charging batteries every 2-3 hours for sure)

    82. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by putaro · · Score: 1

      Just flew back SFO to NRT, 11 hours. Got 8+ hours of work done with no battery swaps on my 17" MacBook Pro. How? Power socket.

      Those are only in business class usually but the 17" is too big to use in economy as I found out a while back. The MacBook Air is nice and it's a premium product. The GP is right. Why would someone buy a sub-notebook and then lug around a bunch of batteries? If you've got cash to burn on a MacBook Air you can probably fly business. If not, why not buy one of the other fine Apple laptops and QUIT BITCHING? Or go buy a Dell or a Sony. You people act like you're forced to buy the product.

    83. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      You're comparing actual (ThinkPad) to claimed (Apple). A bit of orange to apple? The 15" was supposed to get upwards of 3.5 hours. My coworker doesn't een get close to two. So the 5 hours on the Air shouldn't be assumed to be true.

    84. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nano actually has recording hardware (sans microphone) built in.
      Why Apple didn't add the software I'll never know. Killed a whole market.

    85. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Gyga · · Score: 1

      What airline do you fly? I have yet to see a plane with an outlet for each seat. I woul love to switch to a different airline that provides these.

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    86. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      There's an apple.slashdot.org and not a lenovo.slashdot.org mainly because there isn't an Amiga laptop (or much of an Amiga anything anymore,) so people with that personality now have to buy Apple.

      Eh? I used the Amiga for years, and now I'm using Windows. Not sure how operating system usage is tied to "personality"

      Perhaps some Amiga users have moved onto OS X (modern Macs have just as much common with the Amiga as they do with classic Macs - all it needs is the Amiga sticker rather than a Mac sticker). But that doesn't really answer it - 10-20 years ago, the mainstream press still didn't seem to care much about the Amiga, but were again bending over backwards to promote Apple, so I think this is more of an Apple thing, than Amiga users supposedly moving to Apple products.

    87. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by dwightk · · Score: 1

      10+516 ;)

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    88. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Hollinger · · Score: 1

      Actually, $129 for a battery replacement is a pretty normal price. Skimming Dell and HP's prices for replacement batteries shows:

      Dell Vostro 56WH battery - $139 (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&category_id=2999&mfgpid=192404&chassisid=-1)
      Dell XPS 80WH battery - $165 (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&category_id=2999&mfgpid=167575&chassisid=-1)

      HP's batteries are all listed on one page, and start at $129:
      http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?storeName=accessories&landing=notebook&category=notebook_hp&subcat1=batteries&orderflow=1&a1=Type+of+product&v1=Batteries&catLevel=2#bcAnchor

      The only downside, compared with the rest of the market, is that you'll presumably have to hand your PC over to an authorized repair shop for a few hours (or a few days), or ship it back to Apple.

    89. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      Just flew back SFO to NRT, 11 hours. Got 8+ hours of work done with no battery swaps on my 17" MacBook Pro. How? Power socket. Well, good for you. In my experience I have power sockets available only roughly half the time on intercontinental flights. Hopefully that will change at some point, but for the time being I will select my laptop for a worst case scenario, and take spare batteries with me, thankyouverymuch.

      If not, why not buy one of the other fine Apple laptops and QUIT BITCHING? With /. being a technology forum, the discussions naturally include deliberations of tradeoffs for new technologies and products. If you aren't interested in these, or if you are such an Apple fanboy that mentioning any negatives for an Apple product hurts your religious feelings, then why don't you just skip the discussions for such topics?
    90. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Murphy+Murph · · Score: 1

      Keeping typical exaggeration (let alone Apple(tm) exaggeration)

      Apple claimed 20 hours battery life for the iPod Video 5th gen 60GB. Out of the box I got 22 hours. 18 months of daily usage later my battery still benchmarks out over 20 hours.
      Apple claimed 14 hours for the Nano 1st gen. 18 months of weekly usage later my battery still benchmarks over 14 hours.
      Sansa claimed 20 hours for the E200 1st gen. Out of the box I got 19 hours. Six months later I get 18 hours.

      I do lots of battery benchmarks under controlled conditions while testing for Rockbox. My battery usage patterns are abusive, if anything. There are many reasons I dislike Apple - many things they could do which would be more friendly to us - but, in my experience, they do not exaggerate their battery runtimes.
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    91. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Because Apple are better at selling than LG and Asus?

      I think it's the other way round - much of the coverage comes before or just as the product is announced. And with all the free advertising, they ought to sell more.

      Also I didn't think their phone was outselling other companies' products, but the iphone still gets covered way more.

    92. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      What I meant, and there is a common meme in geekhood (the non-fanatical section of geek culture, that is) that Apple users are 'enthusiasts' to a fair extreme, and that Amiga fans are (were) 'fanatics' to a fair extreme. One of the few rivals in extremeness to the Amiga culture were the OS/2 fanatics for a time. So I am probably wrong to characterize the Apple platform as a refuge for the Amiga extremists, but there is/was a synergy.

      It's a relief that the people who crowded the Linux community from the Amiga platform seem to have dissipated. For a time it was looking really bad, particularly on forums like Slashdot. There's probably a 'distro' or two that I haven't noticed recently where suchlike fanatics are gathering. Same as it ever was.

    93. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      My watch has a battery that I can't replace myself. I have to take it into the store for them to crack it open because it's a diver's watch and requires a special tool to unscrew the back cover. Does this bother me? no. I expect it.

      You can buy the tool for around $10 at Harbor Freight if you want to do it yourself.

      Of course, when you buy a replacement battery at a watch store, they usually replace the battery for your for free.

      Your car needs the transmission serviced after so many miles, and that's not considered a user-maintenance thing either.

      It is if you have a wrench... That's not really that hard. Better cars have drain bolts on their transmissions so you don't make a big mess draining the fluid out. (And of course, the best cars don't have automatic transmissions at all, but that's another argument.)

      Anyway, I agree with your posting for what it's worth. All this complaining about replaceable batteries is pretty silly. It's much like your other examples: if you have a little skill with tools, it's not hard to replace an iPod battery, just like it's not hard to change your car's oil. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people out there who simply can't (or won't) turn a simple wrench for some reason, and those are the ones who should be paying someone to change their iPod battery for them.

    94. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll answer this, because I supposed I fit in the category you're complaining about. If you really want scans of airline tickets, I can do that later (surprisingly, I don't carry used tickets with me.. go figure).

      At any rate, I have my super-small Sharp mm20 laptop (about 2 pounds), and I have two of the "standard" batteries, which last about 3 hours. I also have the "Extended" battery, which lasts something like 15 hours, and I swear doubles the weight of the laptop. I don't like using the extended battery, though, because it sticks out and makes the thing unwleldly. I also don't love swapping the standard batteries, because I have to power down the machine to do that.

      What I do like, though, is "Mr. Battery", which is one of those external power-pack batteries. Now I know "But if you carry Mr. Battery, the laptop is heavier!", etc. Well yes, and no. I don't have to carry it all the time, unlike a heavier laptop. So for example, when I got o NYC all day with no real plan to use my laptop, I can just bring the laptop, since it's light enough not to have me cursing it. I can also distance the battery from the laptop, and on a plane, leave it on the floor, etc. (it doesn't add to the footprint of the laptop). When I go to class, I usually shove the external battery in my bag, and then if I use the laptop a lot I might pull it out.

      But you do have some point. If I was *always* going to use the external battery, then I would prefer it be integrated - since it would be slightly less weight, and no cable.

      If you compare me to other people, though. They carry a power adapter. I carry Mr. Battery. Since my laptop is small and designed to run on the super small "normal" batteries, it will run for a *long* time on Mr. Battery. when everyone else is searching like vultures for a power outlet because that's the only reasonable way to use their laptop after a few hours- I'm just pulling out a battery. That said, I wish the normal battery for my laptop lasted 5 hours ;)

    95. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      I've taken out quite a few of those, and never had a problem with them. I was always more annoyed by the tilt/swivel stand than the screw on the memory door.

      Of course, the real pain with the eMac is replacing the logic board. I'd rather change one in a 12" PowerBook.

    96. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Gorbag · · Score: 1

      Adding a latch is NOT worth losing that bragging right.
      Damn straight. That's what duct tape is for, after all.
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    97. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      You got flamed for advocating that because if you aren't REALLY careful doing it, you'll strip the head on the screw, and really annoy the next guy who actually has a torx driver. I actually had to drill out one screw because somebody did that. And since there was an easily obtainable tool for doing it* there really was no excuse for half-assing it.

      *Radio Shack had a "computer tool kit" that had a nut driver and a double-ended torx driver. Take the torx driver shaft and drive it with the nut driver, and you've got a long enough torx driver to take apart a classic Mac. I think it was about $8 for the kit. It still doesn't get you the case spreader, but that wasn't really necessary most of the time.

    98. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by rallymatte · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. But just like you wouldn't swap your iPod battery yourself, you just wouldn't change the battery of your Macbook Air yourself. You'd leave that with your IT department or an Apple genius. It just makes it a bit easier for them or for yourself if you consider yourself to be able to do it yourself I suppose.

    99. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by korekrash · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind an 1/8th of an inch in thickness if I don't have to hassle with customer service. Also, a "transmission service" on a car, usually between 50-80,000 miles, is only NOT considered to be a user-maintenance thing if you don't know how to do it. With the exception of a few european imports, you don't need special tools or equipment to do it if you know how aside from what you can buy at Sears. I would expect the same thing from Apple. As for your watch....you waste a lot of money paying for battery replacement in your electronics don't you?

    100. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by v1 · · Score: 1

      you waste a lot of money paying for battery replacement in your electronics don't you?

      I need a new battery in my watch now, the light isn't very bright. The battery in it is about 8 years old. Not bad life I think. But it's a big one, CR2032, about the size of a nickel.

      This watch is the replacement for one I damaged some years ago. That one fell over 3 stories down onto asphalt and broke the flex band (yes, really) into 5 pieces, busted the backlight, and silenced the alarm. Other than that it still kept time. Casio DW-5600, highly recommended. The new model has a "g-shock" guard on it to prevent exactly what busted my last one, so I think this one's indestructible? Mmmm they still sell them I guess... http://reviews.pricegrabber.com/watches/m/376230/ Mine doesn't have the blue backlight, it's got a bulb, soold school!

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    101. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      I believe they changed to a different screw on the last model (post-800MHz) eMacs; certainly the replacement screws Apple Authorised Repairers used to fix chewed-up ones were more substantial.

      Or maybe you're just smarter than the average tool-wielding monkey and, like me, look at a screw and automatically choose the correct screwdriver ;-)

      As I said, they weren't really a problem if you used the correct screwdriver. If you chose the wrong one ... well, I was amazed that they'd managed to manufacture a screw that seemingly used tool steel for the thread and plasticine for the head...

      I still wonder why they didn't use an allen key like the one provided with the tilt/swivel stand. You could practically disassemble the whole eMac with just that one Apple-provided driver (apart from that damned RAM door, of course... ;-)

      Meh, the logic boards weren't too bad - a bit of a bear to get at, but I used to repair the old-style Sun / Sony monitors, which seemed like they had 100 screws of 50 different types just to hold the case & shielding on. It probably helps that I grew up pulling B&D drills apart, and did my apprenticeship maintaining BPO electromechanical switchgear...

      Anyone who's stripped down 2000, 3000, or Strowger type switches will know what I mean ;-)

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  3. Something bigger/faster by erebus24 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed. You means something like a MacBook Pro? I think one of us is missing the point of the MacBook Air.
    1. Re:Something bigger/faster by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to mention the faster MBP with a 15" screen is only $200 more than the Air as well.

    2. Re:Something bigger/faster by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      I think one of us is missing the point of the MacBook Air :)

    3. Re:Something bigger/faster by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What *is* the point.

      What market segment up until now were saying to themselves "If only this laptop was exactly the same size but *thinner*"

      My boss travels a lot on airlines and was waiting for an ultraportable macbook. He wanted one *smaller* - that could fit nicely in the limited space on airline seating in the way a normal laptop won't. This doesn't either.. so it's a missed opportunity.

      The other thing he asked for - solid state disks (hard disks don't last long if you fly a lot) - was answered, but he won't be getting the Air.

    4. Re:Something bigger/faster by Sancho · · Score: 1

      I hear you, but it's pretty worthless trying to argue this point here. People will just accuse you of being unable to understand people's needs besides your own--yet never really articulating how that extra thin size really makes a difference.

    5. Re:Something bigger/faster by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      True. But remind me again what the point of it is. Light weight? Looks cool? I think its a rather niche product, its portability is negated by its lack of things built in ( ethernet, Dvd drive, ect). I think its going to meet the same fate as the Mac Cube.

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    6. Re:Something bigger/faster by vidarh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've travelled a lot with my 15" MacbookPro (90.000 miles last year) and airline seats wasn't a big problem. A 13" is certainly small enough. If you want smaller, there are plenty of (non-Mac) alternatives, but 13" is really the smallest I can comfortably use. Having something thinner and lighter would make far more difference to me, as it'd make it more comfortable to carry my laptop around with me to meetings while still remaining usable.

      As for the limitations, they don't really bother me much apart from the battery limitations. But then, in business class most airlines offer in-seat power these days and adapters for the Macs are cheap enough, and if you fly economy there are always external portable laptop adapters you can buy (yes, they are not great, but if you're sitting in your seat on a plane it's not a big problem to have one in your carry on and put it in the pouch of the seat in front of you while working, and if the alternative is carrying around replacement laptop batteries you'd be carrying about the same weight anyway).

    7. Re:Something bigger/faster by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something tells me that if Apple had made the Mac Book Air 10 or 12 inches instead of 13, people would be ripping Apple for making a computer with a screen that is too small. Look at it another way...it is the thinnest notebook on the planet with the largest screen.

    8. Re:Something bigger/faster by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Can you tell me what use a thin notebook is? Seriously, all other things being equal, what does that quarter inch get you?

    9. Re:Something bigger/faster by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      It fits into the pocket of a briefcase, rather than needing a specific laptop case. I need more muscle and attachments on my machine, but if I could use an Air, I'd love to have one.

    10. Re:Something bigger/faster by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      A savings of two pounds in weight?

    11. Re:Something bigger/faster by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Just for a test, I checked the stock Macbook. Seems to also fit just fine.

    12. Re:Something bigger/faster by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Nevermind the thin size. It is significantly lighter than even the MacBook. It's plenty fast. And it looks like it could get you laid.

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    13. Re:Something bigger/faster by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the part where I said, "all other things being equal"? Everyone's so excited about the form factor and "how thin it is!" but when you get right down to it, functionally, it doesn't make that much of a difference (and the poster to whom I replied didn't say a thing about weight, just that it was the thinnest notebook with the biggest screen.)

    14. Re:Something bigger/faster by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      This is a replacement for the 12" Aluminum powerbook that everyone loved so much. It's small, but it's not low-end. Since there was a market for the 12" powerbook, I think it's safe to say there will be a market for this.

    15. Re:Something bigger/faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you miss the part where I said, "all other things being equal"? Everyone's so excited about the form factor and "how thin it is!" but when you get right down to it, functionally, it doesn't make that much of a difference (and the poster to whom I replied didn't say a thing about weight, just that it was the thinnest notebook with the biggest screen.)

      Retarded. All things aren't equal. For any given material, being thinner implies being lighter.

    16. Re:Something bigger/faster by British · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's what gets me. I just don't get the point of a thinner notebook, and if I'm reading this right, needs dongles for every port. Never have I seen anybody complain about laptops being overly thick. Nobody says, "wow, I wish this notebook was 2cm thinner, as this would be revolutionary!". Of course, we've seen Apple innovations go the way of smaller iPods, on the x & y axis. Now the laptop is just smaller on the Z plane.

      You want innovation? How about a cheaper laptop? A laptop that costs less than $500 that has all the features of competing laptops $1200+ would get my attention.

      Want more innovation? Shrink the size of those dang power bricks. We can make everything else smaller in computing, except the power supply?

      Of course, any laptop I've seen that's smaller & cuter at the store, the prices astronomically rise. I have an hp zd7000 laptop from work, and frankly don't need the monster size. I'd rather have a smaller screen & a right-side Windows key.

      Forget the Air, I'll wait for the bigger-screen size Asus EEE & save over a grand. That'll be nice to take to the coffee shop to check mail, surf the web, etc.

    17. Re:Something bigger/faster by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      What *is* the point. What market segment up until now were saying to themselves "If only this laptop was exactly the same size but *thinner*"

      Business travellers will typically need to carry a bag or briefcase wide and deep enough for papers. The 13" laptop form-factor is approx the same width and depth of a folder for Legal or ISO A4 paper - so (tadah!) it fits conveniently into such bags. Meanwhile, its also big enough for a full-sized keyboard and a reasonable screen. Reduce the width and depth and you compromise on keyboard and screen but its still not gonna fit alongside a file in your briefcase - the next *useful* size down is ISO A5, and that's too small for a proper keyboard.

      Reduce the thickness however, and you can fit more papers underneath it - give it a nice tapered shape and its going to be easier to slide in an out. Make it 2lb ligher and your arms and back will thank you.

      I'd guess the Air is aimed at "executive" types who don't need the power of a MacBook Pro to run Powerpoint but wouldn't be seen dead using the same type of regular plastic MacBook that they bought their daughter for college.

      Now, *I* wouldn't want one because I want to do crazy things like running CS3, Eclipse and a Windows VM at the same time, and I know from experience that I'd be dragging around a bagful of peripherals and pining for the 15" screen - although having recently moved from a 13" PC to a 15" MacBook Pro I can vouch for the superior portability of the 13" form factor . However, I can think of some colleagues for who it could be perfect because (a) they only really need Office and (b) I'm the one that always remembers to bring the DVI-to-VGA dongle, spare US power leads, blank CD-Rs, ethernet cables, wireless router, system discs, mini USB adaptor, modem lead, flash drives, spare batteries for wireless mice, sticking plaster, screwdriver, sheet of paper with the software license keys... :-)

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    18. Re:Something bigger/faster by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      I'd have to repeat myself and say "that is not the point of the Mac Book Air".

      Come on, it's not that hard to see the unique selling point of this thing. We have told each other what it is not:
      - it's not incredibly versatile
      - it's not incredibly portable (waaay too flimsy, I fear it'll break in half pretty easy)
      - it's not incredibly powerful
      - it IS incredibly expensive
      - it IS incredibly unusual
      - it IS looking pretty luxurious.

      Can you now guess what the market is for these things?

      May I help you?

      What about "Showing off", "display of wealth" or "display of being incredibly artilicious"?

      If things cost a lot of money, look spectacular and do less than others, they are classic luxury items for people that really couldn't care less about spending one or two grand more or less on an item just because it looks stylish. Remember why diamonds are so expensive? :)

    19. Re:Something bigger/faster by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Luckily, the two notebooks that I'm comparing aren't made of the same material. And regardless, I'm trying to isolate one variable--the variable that everyone seems to be harping on.

    20. Re:Something bigger/faster by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Several people simply wanted an updated version of the 12" PowerBook to handle the "airline tray table" problem. Then again, although the Air is two inches wider than the PowerBook, it's almost exactly the same depth. And since the depth translates into screen height, I don't see any issue as to why the Air would be "too big" for a tray table.

      My 17" MBP is certainly too large to work comfortably, but my earlier 15" PowerBook worked fairly well, and the Air is smaller than it was.

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    21. Re:Something bigger/faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > fit nicely in the limited space on airline seating in the way a normal laptop won't

      And that is what most people just don't get about laptops. Too many people that don't travel are commenting that this new laptop isn't too large. It is too large for those of us that actually travel. My 13" MacBook is just too big to use on an airplane on a regular basis. My new Sony with a 11.1" screen is much easier to use on an airplane, but it is still a little large and heavy(with the completely useless optical drive). I was really hoping this laptop would have a reasonable 10" or less screen, but Apple decided to be showy rather than useful.

    22. Re:Something bigger/faster by Tom · · Score: 1

      What market segment up until now were saying to themselves "If only this laptop was exactly the same size but *thinner*" Marketing drones.

      Ok, maybe the exact words weren't "thinner" but "I'll buy anything that looks sleek and makes me look cooler", but you get the meaning.
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    23. Re:Something bigger/faster by weicco · · Score: 1

      A savings of two pounds in weight?

      Heh. This goes little off-topic but reminds me of a funny thing. I know a guy who works as a programmer and goes to a gym a lot. He can easily deadlift 250 kg and benchpress 200 kg. You would think those are pretty good numbers and that he is in pretty strong shape, don't you? Then why does he constantly moan about his laptop being too heavy ;)

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    24. Re:Something bigger/faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear you, but it's pretty worthless trying to argue this point here. People will just accuse you of being unable to understand people's needs besides your own--yet never really articulating how that extra thin size really makes a difference. But IT CAN FIT IN AN ENVELOPE! Apple can send it to your doorstep with ONE FIRST CLASS STAMP!
    25. Re:Something bigger/faster by Schmool · · Score: 1

      "Want more innovation? Shrink the size of those dang power bricks."

      The MacBook's power adapter was already quite small, but the MacBook Air's power adapter is 50% smaller than that, more in line with the iPod's power adapter (which is teenie.)

      http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=7E508A9A&nplm=MB283LL/A

    26. Re:Something bigger/faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I travel a lot. The 13-inch MacBook is actually the perfect dimensions for travel, being nearly no-compromise when on an airplane, except for two things I have been wanting. Oh yeah, that would lighter and thinner. Thanks, Apple! This thing is perfect.

    27. Re:Something bigger/faster by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but Apple pretty recently (within the last few months) reduced the size of their "larger" (still not that large) high-watt power adapters (for things like the 17" MBP) down to the same size as their low-power 13" MacBooks. So if that's not "Shrink[ing] the size of those dang power bricks" I don't know what is.

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    28. Re:Something bigger/faster by DJSpray · · Score: 1

      The _point_ is, I think, that the laptop is now so light, and requires so few accessories, that it is a no-brainer for a business traveler to decide whether to take it along or not. He or she will just do it automatically. Because that businessperson is more likely to have the computer available to type up a note or answer a message at any given point during a work day, it just became considerably more valuable.

      It doesn't hurt that it looks pretty damned sexy as well. Unfortunately Apple's sexiest toys start to look scratched-up and fugly after only a year or two, but that seems intentional so they can sell you the next expensive pretty thing.

    29. Re:Something bigger/faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've noticed that people seem to not understand the concept of size. For a three dimensional object the size is dependent on (hold your breath) three variables; width, length (and here it is) height. Guess what? This means the air is actually SMALLER than a comparable laptop with the same "footprint" (ie length x width). So your boss can get that laptop that is smaller.

      Ok, one more time; something with the same magnitude in two dimensions but a smaller magnitude in the third dimension is SMALLER.

      Right, so I understand that some people need to be able to put their computer in their pocket, but really most business people will be carrying around some papers or reports when they travel and therefore are already going to have a bag that will hold the air.

      Personally I think Apple chose to make a laptop that had a full size screen and keyboard but was as thin and light as possible. Seems reasonable to me and I am a technical professional that travels a lot (who plans on getting an air as soon as I can).

  4. Can I get that through airport secuirty... by zsbyd · · Score: 1

    Now if only I can bring a Phillips screwdriver and a spare battery on to a plane, then I will be set for those extended flights without in-seat power. I could go for a plastic screwdriver, but I know TSA won't be all too happy about my spare battery.

    1. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, let me get that straight:

      1) TSA prevents you from getting a spare battery on the plane.

      2) Your complaint is that you'd need an extra screwdriver to put that battery you don't have with you in your MacBook Air during the flight.

      3) WTF?

    2. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure your problem is a big one. There'll be aftermarket chargers and top-up devices coming out of belkins ears before you know it.

      I recall having been asked to REMOVE the battery from my laptop at airport security. THAT is something that will cause problems if you get the wrong TSA agent.

    3. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The ability to swap batteries on the plane may be moot if you can't bring them on at all. This recent TSA ruling puts a lot of limitations on loose batteries.

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    4. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by MrDiablerie · · Score: 1

      Or you could just buy the optional airline adapter that lets you plug right into your seat on the plane.

    5. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by Dorceon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is it really that hard to use a site like SeatGuru to figure out in advance which seats have power, and choose only from those seats?

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    6. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Pretty neat site--definitely something I'll have to remember to use in the future.

      Of course, you don't always get your choice of seats. Airlines are notorious for not giving you the seat you picked, and then saying, "It's just a request--we don't have to honor it." My wife and I experienced this on our honeymoon. "Sorry guys, you don't get to sit together." It was completely and utterly arbitrary and absurd.

    7. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      No there won't be. The MagSafe is patented and Apple hasn't licensed it to ANY other companies yet. If there was a MagSafe alternative charger by now, don't you think they would have come out in the last year?

    8. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by macshit · · Score: 1

      Of course, you don't always get your choice of seats. Airlines are notorious for not giving you the seat you picked, and then saying, "It's just a request--we don't have to honor it."

      Not to mention, sometimes there's simply not much choice of seats available, because the flight's full and you're one of the last people to reserve.

      [Nonetheless, I don't quite understand all the bitching and moaning about the Mac Air... a wired external battery doesn't seem a huge deal on an airplane.]

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    9. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the screwdriver is a problem...

      > I know TSA won't be all too happy about my spare battery

      Why? Because the idiot Bush bashers keep telling the lie that Bush has ordered the TSA to start stealing Lithium laptop batteries? Despite the story here that made that claim, that is not true. You may have a spare battery in your carry-on bag if you do it safely. Putting it in a plastic bag or putting tape over the terminals meets their requirements.

      TSA reference:

      http://safetravel.dot.gov/tips.html

  5. Doesn't really matter by PaintyThePirate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't really matter that it takes five minutes to open it with a screwdriver and switch the battery. The point is that people want to carry two or more batteries with them and be able to switch them when one goes dead, without requiring tools (or having to void the warrenty).

    1. Re:Doesn't really matter by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter that it takes five minutes to open it with a screwdriver and switch the battery. The point is that people want to carry two or more batteries with them and be able to switch them when one goes dead, without requiring tools (or having to void the warrenty).

      Exactly, or for those of us that travel a lot have a repalcement fedEx'd to your location when the one you have dies.

      Plus, a removal batteyr means that if you get a really bad system hang you can do a manual "power down" and restart. Not that Macs ever have any problems...

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    2. Re:Doesn't really matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Plus, a removal batteyr means that if you get a really bad system hang you can do a manual "power down" and restart."

      A removable battery is not required for a manual power down. For you to think so only reveals that you don't know enough about how the machine works. You just hold down the power button for a few seconds until it's forced to power off in hardware. I can't think of a software situation that would stop that from working. I shake my head every time I hear about someone removing the battery or unplugging their desktop for an emergency power off. Not necessary.

    3. Re:Doesn't really matter by charlieo88 · · Score: 1

      Not about a Mac, but I've had HP laptops that were so locked up, that holding down the power switch for two minutes did NOTHING.

    4. Re:Doesn't really matter by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Now, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple is better at this than others, but I know for a fact that there are Windows laptops that can screw up the hold-down-power shutdown in software. A friend has one, and I first taught him the hold-down-power trick, but even so he managed to crash it so hard he couldn't turn it off, and I had to tell him to remove the battery.

    5. Re:Doesn't really matter by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter that it takes five minutes to open it with a screwdriver and switch the battery. The point is that people want to carry two or more batteries with them and be able to switch them when one goes dead, without requiring tools (or having to void the warrenty).

      Not if you're flying. I thought I read somewhere that they would not allow a second laptop battery on planes.

      The ideal solution is to have better battery life. Also, the 5 hour rating that Apple gave was apparently in full usage and not for sleeping - I have seen some non-Apple portables that are lucky to be able to sleep for five hours, even when new.

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    6. Re:Doesn't really matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And knowing Apple... if you DO try to replace the battery yourself (or have someone else do it) instead of sending it back to California and spending $129 to have Apple replace it, Apple will probably void your warranty. Why is Apple now making most of their products so the user can't replace the battery quickly and easily? As the original poster said, most users want to be able to carry around an extra battery pack or two to be able to quickly replace a dead battery. Dumb move Apple!!

    7. Re:Doesn't really matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Apple thought of everything, you don't even need to turn it off when it hangs. Just wait til it runs out of battery...

    8. Re:Doesn't really matter by wfolta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, if you've got to carry several spare batteries because you will be using your laptop for extended periods in areas that don't have power, it won't kill you to carry a few extra pounds in the form of a MacBook or MacBook Pro.

      Second, exactly where will you be that power is inaccessible? Coffee shop? Plane? Train? Boat? Car? Airport? This is the 2000's and power is accessible in almost all of these places.

      Third, this is a continuation of the complaints of years past where people lamented the disappearance of 5.25" floppies, then 3.5" floppies, etc. It's a wireless world now (and Apple has introduced other products to make this even more-so), and it's a world with power accessible in many places you would have never had it before. In fact, I can think of very few places that I've taken my laptop in the last couple of years where I had to run off of battery power by necessity. (Convenience, yes. I like the view here and there's no plug near, but necessity, no. There's a plug 30 feet away.)

      Fourth, I return to my first point. If you want great gas mileage, don't buy a Porsche. If you maximal cargo space, don't buy a Cooper. If you want acceleration, don't buy a Prius and then complain that you can't add Nitrous Oxide and a Supercharger. The proper tool for the proper task, so if you want to work with your data with a highly portable machine with a large (for its class) screen and total wireless capability, get an Air.

    9. Re:Doesn't really matter by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      And there are a number of solutions that can fix the spare battery argument. Many companies sell external batteries for notebooks. Just buy the external plus adapter for your notebook model, and go. Not to mention the spare battery argument never held much water with me. At 3 hours with my Macbook I'm extremely happy, even on an international flight. Now your talking 5 hours with the Air. The more stuff you have to carry with your laptop to be MOBILE is in fact making it LESS mobile. If your going to be away from a power supply over 3, let alone 5 hours you need to really re-evaluate your needs for your notebook, and really what your doing during that time. Even the big time sink (International Flights) don't really need the spare. If you have enough cash to buy the Air, you can afford a halfway decent airline that'll provide you with power. Once again though, maybe I'm crazy, and have no desire to be conscious for over 3-5 hours on a plane. Especially doing just one thing.

    10. Re:Doesn't really matter by jargon82 · · Score: 1

      They won't allow batteries in checked baggage. They do allow a limited number/weight or such in carry-on.

    11. Re:Doesn't really matter by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      A removable battery is not required for a manual power down. For you to think so only reveals that you don't know enough about how the machine works. You just hold down the power button for a few seconds until it's forced to power off in hardware. I can't think of a software situation that would stop that from working. I shake my head every time I hear about someone removing the battery or unplugging their desktop for an emergency power off. Not necessary.


      I have had laptops and desktops hang so badly that no amount of holding the power switch in would solve the problem; physically removing the power source did solve the problem.

      I'm not sure what caused teh failure but it *does* happen.

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    12. Re:Doesn't really matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If (People Who Wish To Switch Batteries && People Who Are In The Market For Ultraportable Machines)
      {
      /* what the fuck was this person thinking? */
      return YOU_ARE_A_MORON;
      } else if (People Who Wish To Switch Batteries) {
      return BUY_A_MACBOOK_PRO;
      }

      Seriously, the logic here isn't hard to understand. People who want ultraportable machines don't give a damn about not having room to swap batteries. They're more likely to give a damn about the lack of extra USB ports (as this is something people use a lot on a daily basis, think external mouse and USB thumbdrive). People don't buy a machine that's thinner and lighter so they can carry around more crap to support it, they buy it to make the stuff they're carrying around lighter. By leaving out the optical drive and using lower power components all around, they've got the battery life on this thing jacked up to the middle of the "Desktop Replacement" class machines, which is damned impressive.

    13. Re:Doesn't really matter by jkoke · · Score: 1

      Just to add another point -- the 5 hours of battery life is with Wi-Fi on and being used. On that long 10-hour flights that everyone seems to be taking, you won't have wi-fi. I don't know how much that will extend the battery life, but I imagine it's significant. Jeff

    14. Re:Doesn't really matter by ksheff · · Score: 1

      yeah, it makes you wonder where everyone is going on these 10 hr flights. They must be pretty popular.

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    15. Re:Doesn't really matter by mykdavies · · Score: 1

      Second, exactly where will you be that power is inaccessible? Coffee shop? Plane? Train? Boat? Car? Airport? This is the 2000's and power is accessible in almost all of these places. How about Heathrow's brand new Terminal 5?

      "In a brand new terminal built in the 21st century, BAA has managed to build departure waiting areas with not a single passenger-accessible power outlet. Rows and rows of hard plastic benches with armrests which prevent you from lying down--kind of makes you feel like you're in a Greyhound bus terminal and not a single power outlet".

      I'm sure they'll be scrabbling to fix that ridiculous oversight though.
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    16. Re:Doesn't really matter by linuxci · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that, I'm on one of the Terminal trials next week so I will take a look to see how many sockets are around and I'll add that concern to my feedback. I'm not sure whether they'll pay attention to small items like that (they probably want you to have club access) but the more people on the trails pointing out things like this the better,

      Why am I bothering with the trails? As I live in London Heathrow is very close to me, but because of the hassles of this airport I end up giving most of my travel to KLM and fly from London City and change at Amsterdam Schiphol. It'd be great to be able to have a decent Heathrow that I'd use out of choice.

    17. Re:Doesn't really matter by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and when the MBA's battery runs out, just sit back and watch a couple of movies on your iPhone. ;)

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    18. Re:Doesn't really matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > In fact, I can think of very few places that I've taken my laptop in the last couple of years where I had to run off of battery power by necessity.

      You must not use it often. Just today the places I used my laptop were in a Starbucks, while waited for a friend in Barnes & Noble, while waiting for thirty minutes in an airport for a flight, about twenty minutes of use on the plane, while waiting on a bus at six different locations (two transfers each way), while waiting on a subway train twice, while waiting in front of a friend's house, later when having dinner in a Subway(the place where you buy food, not to be confused with the place with the underground trains ;) ), and at the moment I'm typing this in a mall while waiting on my wife. That's fifteen different locations and not a one has power. Fortunately, my iBook has a battery that lasts four hours and my older battery I use as a spare still lasts about two hours. It's easy to claim you don't need a battery in a laptop if you have no life and only use it at home and at work. Why do you even have a laptop?

    19. Re:Doesn't really matter by dorito234 · · Score: 1

      So what is the point of buying an incredibly thin and light laptop if you plan to lug around a few spare batteries?

    20. Re:Doesn't really matter by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      Third, this is a continuation of the complaints of years past where people lamented the disappearance of 5.25" floppies, then 3.5" floppies, etc. It's a wireless world now

      Undoubtedly, some people are change-adverse. From an objective standpoint though, each iteration was a marked improvement over its predecessors. 3.5" floppies were smaller, more durable and had larger capacity than their 5.25" counterparts. CDs had significantly larger capacities and faster access times than did the 3.5"s.

      Wireless... well, I love the convenience. I hate the poor speeds I get most of the time. 54Mbps, which is fairly standard speed, is only half the standard of 100Mbps that wired lines get. The disparity gets even larger if you talk about the faster wireless variations compared to the faster wired variations. Not to mention contention for services, significant interference issues and all the other problems that wireless is either more susceptible to or there are more horrible implementations of than wired. The fact that even on my home network I never get even NEAR the theoretical transfer rate is another step backwards, despite the fact there is only one other AP in the area and it's on a different channel.

      The fact that some places just can't or won't bother installing wireless, or have wireless coverage that is not optimal even compared to their wired, just adds to the rest to make not including a simple RJ-45 stupid, regardless of whether or not they're happy to sell me a USB adapter (which, so far as I am concerned, is also stupid).

      Let's not kid ourselves and pretend this is Apple's way of pushing wireless technology, either. It's certainly not because Mac users would be adverse to paying the extra $2 or whatever it would have cost to have one. This was a purely aesthetic choice wrapped in marketing hype.

      Wireless is neat, but it and its implementations aren't ready to be called wired networking's replacement yet. I'll cheer the day when they are, but it's not now.

    21. Re:Doesn't really matter by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Airplane power is only available on a fraction of commercial aircraft, and even then only if you're rich and can spend 2x-4x the ticket cost for a business or first-class seat. But then, one also needs that class of seat to have enough room to use a laptop at all these days. My MBP's battery seems to last for something like 3 hours. I've given up trying to use it on airplanes because the knuckle-dragging necrophage in front of me invariable slams his/her seat back without asking or even warning. Last time it damn near caught the display of my PB in the tray recess.

    22. Re:Doesn't really matter by DJSpray · · Score: 1

      I would bet that this is not a real use case in the demographic they've studied. In other words, people who really do strip down the weight of what they are carrying don't actually swap out the battery. Doing so requires you to carry an extra battery, and it is additionally painful to carry a second battery if you don't actually carry an external charger as well, since you have to swap batteries in your laptop while it is plugged in (perhaps in the middle of the night while you're asleep in your hotel room) to charge the second battery. So people don't do it. Instead, most people use it for a few hours on the battery, and plug it in back in as soon as they can. Personally, I've used quite a few different laptops over the last 15 years or so and carrying backup batteries rarely seemed worth the effort. If the MBA battery actually gives you five hours of real use, I think that will be remarkably effective for most users. That's well over a work day of on-and-off use typing, editing, whatever which tends to be a very on-and-off activity for a laptop.

      I'd agree that the Air doesn't meet all use cases, but the more I consider what they left out, the more I think that they actually got the product very nicely targeted at the product's target demographic. If it seems like it would not match the way you use a laptop, perhaps that's a good indication that you aren't in the target demographic?

    23. Re:Doesn't really matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF!!!

      You are right, why doesn't it have a 5.25" floppy oh my god, what was apple thinking...

  6. convenient mail-in replacement by backslashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    They also mention you can have it replaced for $129 by mailing it in. Ahh, that must be why Steve Jobs showed us that it fits in a manila envelope. How convenient!

    1. Re:convenient mail-in replacement by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and it takes 5 business days. How many people can survive without a computer for that? Guess you'll need to buy a Macbook Pro as well as a backup.

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    2. Re:convenient mail-in replacement by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >Yeah, and it takes 5 business days. How many people can survive without a computer for that?

      excluding other causes of death such as starvation and accidents, roughly 100%.

      are you saying that the only reason you're alive is that so far your computer hasn't suffered some unexpected failure? at least the battery losing charge is a continuous and predictable process.

    3. Re:convenient mail-in replacement by be-fan · · Score: 1

      I seriously doubt that you won't just be able to take it into an Apple Store and get them to replace it for you right on the spot.

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    4. Re:convenient mail-in replacement by ksheff · · Score: 1

      I guess if they don't know how to operate a screwdriver their survival skills must be pretty bad too.

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  7. Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by manekineko2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this is missing the point behind the main thrust of the complaints. Most of the people complaining about it (at least here on Slashdot) have been the mobile road warriors who are worried about it running out of juice while traveling, rather than the battery wearing out after 2 years and needing replacement.

    It would appear at first that Apple's ultra thin and light missed its target market; after all, the main market for ultra thin and lights has traditionally been mobile road warriors. However, the lack of a swappable battery and of a wired LAN port (my company, and most I have been to, as well as many hotels I have stayed at, don't even have a wireless network option) make clear that mobile road warriors aren't the target market.

    The target market is in fact fashion conscious users, and students, and others whose requirements are a sexy form factor.

    I don't think that weight is necessarily even _that_ significant a factor here. Steve Jobs made clear if I recall correctly that he was willing to increase weight to decrease thickness. Thickness has no particular use other than sex appeal, footprint is actually more significant in terms of usefulness when it comes to size. In terms of weight, there have been other laptops that are significantly lighter yet retaining key features like a wired LAN and swappable battery. The entire point of this laptop is how thin and awesome looking it is.

    1. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by BWJones · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd argue that Apple hit the nail right on the head. I ordered one as soon as they were available simply because the 15in Powerbook is too unwieldy for extensive travel, especially internationally where every ounce counts and space is at an all time premium. Flying in and out of the UK for instance, you are limited to one carry-on and when you are already carrying gear (camera gear in my case), a 2.5 lb savings along with the smallest form factor you can manage and still have a full size keyboard can be tremendous (I've tried the smaller keyboards and if you do lots of writing, they are impossible).

      The battery issue is relatively minor as many airline seats on flights longer than 5 hours have power outlets and you can do wired internet with the MacBook Air through the USB port.

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    2. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      Good point about the swappable battery and its relevance to road warriors. This looks to me like a silly design mistake by Apple. I mean, if replacing the battery is just a matter of removing some screws, I'm sure their brilliant industrial engineers could have designed a "battery door" with an easy latch, without adding to the overall thickness of the machine. I'm less concerned about the ethernet port. I think that the days of wired-only internet service when you're on the road is numbered. Besides, if you can afford one of these, you can afford a $15 ethernet-to-USB adaptor. Mine is the size of a thumb drive and works very well.

    3. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Target audience? When was the last time you were in an Apple store? The place was flooded with teens and parents. Right before fall semester starts its flooded with college freshmen. I was in there after christmas. A guy was in there with his daughter, she was going to get an iPhone. She was 14. There is a large population that falls under "rich" but above $100,000 a year. People that probably have insane amount of debt but have the latest and greatest.

      Could you imagine this in a college setting? 90% of these kids just use AIM, Mail, & Word. And before you go off ranting about how expensive it is for some college kid. Imagine those kids who drive new cars to college. The ones whose parents live in 500,000 houses and drive the latest from Mercedes. $5k is a drop in the bucket, I'm sure they can find another credit card to put it on.

      But you know what, they keep Apple in business. And as long as they do that I'm happy with the other toys Apple gives me (ZFS, Unix, Stuff that just works(tm)).
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    4. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by primadd · · Score: 1

      I think very soon The Steve will announce a very expensive add on battery plugging into the power socket.

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    5. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by manekineko2 · · Score: 1

      I totally agree with what you're saying, but then I don't think my post was in disagreement with yours in any way. We're in agreement on what the target audience is.

    6. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by kaan · · Score: 4, Informative

      $29 buys you a tiny usb dongle with an RJ-45 port for wired lan. It's listed on the accessories section of store.apple.com.

      As for the battery needs, I'm a business user and while I do agree that extended batteries are nice, I don't think it's the norm that you need 8 hours of battery life without a single power outlet nearby. Where are you using your computer for that long that you're not near an outlet once in a while? I typically need stretches of several hours, possibly as much as 4 hours from time to time, but never much more than that. The people I know who have the extended battery packs seem to use them just because they can, not because they need to.

      I think the integrated battery decision is possibly market-limiting to the users who really do (for some reason) need 8 hours of battery life, but not nearly as limiting as you suggest. Overall, a simpler design has positive aspects in that Apple can spend time making features that most of their target users will benefit from, they can also get the product to market faster and lower R&D costs building it.

      This reminds me a lot when the iPod first came out. Most people just couldn't say enough bad things about it. Too simple. No features. No replaceable battery. Too expensive. But the core comptency of the iPod hasn't really changed that much over the years: it lets you organize your music in a really simple way, and find any song fast. When it comes down to it, if you can't find your music easily, you're far less likely to use the device. And if you don't use it, every other "neato" feature is irrelevant because it'll be sitting in your desk drawer.

    7. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by cbart387 · · Score: 1

      you can do wired internet with the MacBook Air through the USB port. Ignoring the cost of everything (cause if you can drop the money for this laptop then I assume can afford the adapter) I wonder if you lose any speed with the ethernet-to-usb conversion. That would be a deal breaker for me (assuming there weren't any other deal breakers). Does anyone know if this is the case?
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    8. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by kaiidth · · Score: 1

      Just in case you travel through the UK any time soon, note that the rules have been slightly relaxed on carry-on gear, depending on the airport, the airline and possibly the weather. Some specifics have been published recently.

      FWIW I've never actually been on a flight on which a power outlet was made available, although I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, including some very long flights. I think that is because only business class and above usually get gifted with this sort of thing. Also, no-one ever weighed my hand baggage, so I'm much less concerned about weight than bulkiness. Although I started with a Toshiba, I ended up using IBM/Lenovo, who seem to me to have anticipated absolutely everything that the IT business/programmer type might ever want to do and built it into their T and X series, but then, my requirements are not yours...

    9. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would appear at first that Apple's ultra thin and light missed its target market; after all, the main market for ultra thin and lights has traditionally been mobile road warriors.

      I doubt the 'target' market is missing the point, which is light weight. Carry around a few replacement batteries for a while, and then see what you are willing to live without.

      The inexperienced overpack, thinking they need a solution for every contingency.

      A true road-warriors mantra is "travel light". You've got a power supply, and they usually have outlets where you are going.
    10. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like someone who isn't one. You don't pack for *every* contingency, but I've been 'saved' numerous times by my spare battery.

    11. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The two criticisms I've heard most are:

      1] No user-swappable battery: If only I could carry one or two around with me!

      and

      2] No internal optical disc drive: I don't want to bother carrying one of those around!

      I fail to see logic in it.

    12. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Cool--until you need to use the Internet and your cdrom at the same time. Or A flash drive.

    13. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by vidarh · · Score: 1

      You're right, it's usually business. Most decent airlines offer in seat power in business these days, but very few do in economy (if you do ever fly business, though, beware that unless you buy an adapter upfront you'll be stuck with buying a ridiculously overpriced adapter in flight in most cases - most in seat power use one of two "special" plugs)

    14. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by eunos94 · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite. I disagree. I highly doubt that the Air is targeted at the road warrior. The road warrior needs to be prepared for all sorts of different situations and is adaptable to whatever environment they are in. The Air, in my mind, lives nicely in a house with all of its necessary wireless accessories nested in their appropriate places. My wife and I both have Apple laptops (Powerbook & iBook). We rarely watch TV or sit at a desk to work. The Air is ideal for us. It allows us to roam anywhere we want, play on the internet, chat with friends, balance our checkbook, catch up on email, etc..., all without being tethered by cords, unneeded accessories, or an overly cumbersome form factor. Sure, I can take an Air to work, but it wouldn't be a very good "work" laptop. I don't think it's intended to be. Sure, it could play games, but I also don't think it's intended for that. Is it intended for someone like me that already games on consoles, works on the computer provided at work, but would like my own laptop to organize my life, communicate with friends and family, accomplish some simple business transactions on, and still rely on quality hardware, software and customer support. The Air is right on target for that market and it has nothing to do with fashion. It has to do with not wanting to tote around a metric ton of contingencies, when I will only ever need them once in a blue moon.

    15. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by BWJones · · Score: 1

      If you use the adapter, it is 100BT, not gigabit which is really fine for most purposes as it will be roughly twice as fast as the best wireless connection that I've been able to find while on the road.

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    16. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by vidarh · · Score: 1

      No, you are(were - rules are being relaxed) limited to one piece of carry on through security. Your laptop must be out of your carry on when going through security, though. What I did last year when flying extensively out of Heathrow was to pack a very thin bag in my carry on, that I'd take out after security, fill and then put my laptop back in my main carry on. I've never been challenged about having an extra bag when boarding the plane.

    17. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      I wonder if you lose any speed with the ethernet-to-usb conversion.

      Between 802.11N that delivers ~100Mbps of real-world bandwidth and an USB2-100TX adapter that can deliver 100Mbps steady full-duplex real-world bandwidth, it mostly depends on whether or not you are willing to tolerate loss of signal and volatile performance on 11N.

      BTW, USB2-Ethernet adapters are small compared to 11N access point + power brick if your destination does not have an existing 11N network. If I had a laptop without Ethernet port and needed rock-solid network performance, the ~$35 USB2 adapters would be an easy choice: cheap, compact, self-contained and lightweight.
    18. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Stele · · Score: 0, Troll

      Where are you using your computer for that long that you're not near an outlet once in a while? I typically need stretches of several hours, possibly as much as 4 hours from time to time, but never much more than that.

      Don't fly Internationally much, huh?

    19. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by be-fan · · Score: 1

      This is a retarded argument. Yes, it's obviously a computer for somebody who has a computer at home, but needs computing power elsewhere too. So what's wrong with that? I use a MacBook as my primary machine, and I'd guess I spend at least half my time working on it outside my apartment. Eg: it's nice to be able to hack on some code over a cup of coffee in Starbucks.

      Beyond that, it's not like Apple products are even a fashion statement anymore. Everybody and their mother has an Apple laptop and an iPhone. I still carry mine because they happen to be damn good laptops/cell phones.

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    20. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      It would appear at first that Apple's ultra thin and light missed its target market; after all, the main market for ultra thin and lights has traditionally been mobile road warriors. However, the lack of a swappable battery and of a wired LAN port (my company, and most I have been to, as well as many hotels I have stayed at, don't even have a wireless network option) make clear that mobile road warriors aren't the target market.


      Free wireless is my top requirement when selecting a hotel. I have not had any difficulty satisfying it, even with moderately priced hotels. Of course, one can always carry a USB adaptor, but who wants to be tied down to a desk in a hotel room?

      I don't think that weight is necessarily even _that_ significant a factor here. Steve Jobs made clear if I recall correctly that he was willing to increase weight to decrease thickness. Thickness has no particular use other than sex appeal


      A thin laptop is more likely to fit in a briefcase with other stuff. And a light one is considerably more pleasant to lug around.
    21. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Reverberant · · Score: 1

      Don't fly Internationally much, huh?

      It's been a long time since I've been on a cross-country or international flight that didn't have power outlets in the coach seats. Ditto for Amtrak train rides.

    22. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      I'm sure their brilliant industrial engineers could have designed a "battery door" with an easy latch, without adding to the overall thickness of the machine.

      Problem is, even if you make a tiny latch and thin lid that isn't impossibly fragile, you then have to design the battery itself to survive being chucked in your hand luggage without being crushed or shorted out (bad news with a lithium battery) - which means giving it a rigid case and protected terminals. On top of that, you probably need to box in the inside of the battery compartment to keep fingers out of the computer's innards. That would mean either a thicker case or a smaller battery.

      I think my main criticism is that they couldn't have squeezed in another USB port.

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    23. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      I don't much myself, but on my last trip I flew 4 different planes, all Air Canada, all economy seats. Two were regional (connect to Canadian hub) and the others to/from Florida.

      All four not only had personal entertainment systems, but also seat-back AC outlets that would take any North American- or Australian-type plugs. Hell, it even had a USB port for iPod and other connection cables, and these were all flights lasting less than 3 hours!

      If all airlines followed this trend there wouldn't be any need to buy plane adapters, and the argument for spare batteries for lengthy flights would be rendered entirely null and void.

    24. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      $29 buys you a tiny usb dongle with an RJ-45 port for wired lan. It's listed on the accessories section of store.apple.com. You know this sucker only has ONE usb port don't you? No optical drive, no flash media (SD/xD) slots, no Express card. Please enjoy pigtails or musical ports. Ipods AFAIK don't wireless, and Iphone AFAIK doesn't let you transfer data wirelessly.

      Imovie installed without a firewire port, that's annoying. Other ultra-portables in the road warrior tend to offer UMTS.

      Overall, a simpler design has positive aspects in that Apple can spend time making features that most of their target users will benefit from The target market is clear, the road warrior. For this market, they sort of failed to take their needs into account.

      Other notebooks in this class would include at least two usb ports at least. Since Imovie is installed, I would expect a means of getting camera to PC which firewire is rather the standard, or for stills flash media. UMTS would be ultra handy for remote access. Swappable batteries is a desirable feature in this class as the road warrior may need beyond 5 hours of battery life.

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    25. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      While I know the product will appeal to a large number of people, all the goofy connector cords really become a pain, and only one powered USB port means that you can't use an external hard drive.

      I would have expected Apple to figure out a way to have an external block that can add all the ports one might need... DVI, gigabit Ethernet, 4xUSB, FW, and maybe even an external battery, without relying on a tangle of USB Hub, Ethernet Dongle, Mini-DVI Dongle, etc. Something along the line of the supplemental Sony batteries for their ultraportables.

      And, as a 100k flier, I have to say that a very small portion of my flights have had working power outlets. Those that did only have the DC airline adapter, so that is one more frigging cord I have to lug with me. I have a second battery that I always fly with for coast-coast or international flights... and I need it. I would love to drop down from my 17" MBP to something lighter and easier to travel with, but the Air doesn't fit my needs.

      (My wife on the other hand would probably love it in practice-- small, light, still a reasonable keyboard and screen. When the battery dies, go to sleep.)

    26. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by ksheff · · Score: 1

      so how long do you think it would take for apple to release an update for the iPhone so that it could be tethered to the MBA in order to use the cellphone as a modem?

      sounds like an opportunity for some company to create a wireless docking station that has all the missing ports people keep complaining about.
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    27. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by ksheff · · Score: 1

      My wife on the other hand would probably love it in practice-- small, light, still a reasonable keyboard and screen. When the battery dies, go to sleep.
      see there is a market for these things after all..
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    28. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bah. Road warriors need a sawed off SxS shotgun with good shells, a loyal dog, and a V8 with plenty of gas. They don't need any of these pansy ass laptops whether they have a swappable battery or not. An IBM Model M keyboard may come in handy for skag bashing though.

    29. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Stele · · Score: 1

      Someone modded me a troll for my comment. Guess someone was having a bad day.

      I fly Northwest. I've NEVER seen an in-seat power outlet, even when I've flown first class.

    30. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by ernst_mulder · · Score: 1

      Concerning the lack of an ethernet port.

      1) There's an USB dongle available to add an ethernet port

      2) I always carry an ethernet-to-wireless bridge with me (in my case an Airport Express, the size of a net adapter). Just connect it to the wire and create your own wireless network.

      I'd always go for #2.

    31. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
      I honestly think there is nothing wrong with it, but I've got years of positive Karma to waste on annoying the fourth lowest life form on earth.

      Politicians
      Lawyers
      Marketers
      Apple Fanboys

      I like your signature it hits the bullseye when talking about the members of Steve Jobs flock.

    32. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      so how long do you think it would take for apple to release an update for the iPhone so that it could be tethered to the MBA in order to use the cellphone as a modem? I would "think" the iPhone would already have that feature over bluetooth. Some Nokias do.

      But something like the Fujitsu Lifebook q2010 (non-US AFAIK) already comes with UMTS as does their P7230 and ESPRIMO Mobile U9200.

      sounds like an opportunity for some company to create a wireless docking station that has all the missing ports people keep complaining about. While a wireless dock would be kinda handy, it is a legit criticism esp when the price and the target market.

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    33. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Megane · · Score: 1

      Here is a USB 100Mbit Ethernet adapter which is $13 at Fry's, sometimes on sale for $4 (I got two extra that day) and for which OS X drivers can be found on the chipset manufacturer site if you google for the chipset ID that shows in System Profiler when you plug it in.

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    34. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by toddestan · · Score: 1

      It's fine for 100mbit networks, but if you're used to the gigabit speeds found on most other laptops nowadays, you'll be disappointed.

    35. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by noewun · · Score: 1

      The target market is in fact fashion conscious users, and students, and others whose requirements are a sexy form factor.

      Ah, the usual Slashdot litany. No Apple thread is complete without one. In fact, from reading Slashdot I have learned that every Apple user is "fashion conscious" and values looks over performance. What I didn't know was that there were so many million of them out there. What has really astounded me is that are 100,000,000 of them out there willing to buy iPods.

      What's really happening is that the MBA doesn't meet the needs of some Slashdot users, who are doing the usual Slashdot Solipsism Dance by then assuming their particular needs must--MUST--then represent the needs of all users. I would think the iPod Lesson would've driven this point home, but apparently this thinking still exists. Long may it resign.

      I already know a few people, who travel a lot for business, who are going to buy this thing. One of them travels from NYC to Paris a couple of times a year, and this is exactly the machine she needs. From this, I make two predictions:

      1) Apple will sell squillions of this thing; and

      2) Rather than admit they're wrong, some Slashdot users will reach the conclusion that the people who buy the thing are stupid and "fashion conscious", as no truly intelligent person would make such a purchase.

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    36. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      I think the real problem isn't the lack of a LAN port, but the lack of WiMAX. A laptop like this needs Internet access *everywhere*, not just where there happens to be WiFi, after you set up and pay $10 or whatever. With WiMAX, if your company doesn't do WiFi you can just VPN in using your WiMAX. I do this on my laptop with 3G (EVDO) PC card today, but built-in WiMAX would be so much better. Next year, when Sprint's WiMAX service is actually operational, I expect to see a MacBook Air with WiMAX. And that's when I'll buy one.

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    37. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by ksheff · · Score: 1

      That's assuming that the target market is the "road warrior" type and not the "I'll just add it to my student loan" college kid. Or did everyone assume that it was aimed at business because of the inter-office memo envelope ad?

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    38. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      That's assuming that the target market is the "road warrior" type and not the "I'll just add it to my student loan" college kid. Or did everyone assume that it was aimed at business because of the inter-office memo envelope ad? No, it's a result of watching the Macworld 2008 presentation. Besides, while a student might benefit from a thinner laptop as a road warrior would, i'm willing to wager they would rather put the macbook pro on the student loan. It claims longer battery life whether 15 inch or 17 inch, and actually saves dorm space as it has a DVD drive.
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    39. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by ksheff · · Score: 1

      Actually, I watched Jobs' Macworld introduction of it before I posted the above reply trying to see if apple had specifically mentioned a target market for this thing and other than the envelope thing, I didn't see anything about business travelers. Anyway, it doesn't really matter what a bunch of people on slashdot think, otherwise the ipod would have been a dud. Once they are available, if people like them, they'll buy 'em. I usually buy old stuff off ebay, so it will be a few years before I would ever actually get one. I do see the similarity between this and the Powerbook Duo laptops of the early 90s. They only had hard drives too and the user could get a dock they could slide the laptop into for desktop use. They were more expensive though. Now if they could come out with a version of TimeCapsule with an integrated DVD burner, that would be even better. It was surprising though how big the battery is in comparison to the rest of the guts of the machine.

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    40. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Anyway, it doesn't really matter what a bunch of people on slashdot think, Your right, however all my criticisms are legit criticisms. I don't say it's to expensive, they are on par with other ultra-portable systems. I won't say it's useless, as I see a legit need. I won't say the CPU is inadequate as given it's class it's not too bad. However the lack of express card, flash slots, and only one USB port I see either a pigtail or a game of musical ports.

      otherwise the ipod would have been a dud. Yes... I'm among the silly who felt that DVD-mp3 would be adequate. Still do in fact.

      I do see the similarity between this and the Powerbook Duo laptops of the early 90s. I would have tought TiBook my self.

      Now if they could come out with a version of TimeCapsule with an integrated DVD burner, that would be even better. That WOULD be a nice feature, as well as media card slots, and perhaps wireless usb. That would at least take care of some short comings.
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    41. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Tom · · Score: 1

      Are you sure of what you say?

      I travel quite a bit myself. Consistently, wireless is a lot easier to find than an ethernet port. Power outlets are fairly easy to find everywhere except on the plane.

      And sure, yes, design is foremost on the mind of Apple. That's exactly what people love them for. Showing that something can be done, and can be done in a mass-market product instead of a vaporware/prototype has been a main part of Apple's strategy for many years now.

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    42. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      For your wired LAN needs, I suggest getting an AirPort Express and configuring it in bridging mode. There's no power cord needed, so it's easier to bring with you than other wireless routers, in addition to being much smaller.

      Unfortunately it doesn't support 802.11n yet. Hopefully there will be a new version released soon, but 802.11g is fine for Internet access.

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    43. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by putaro · · Score: 1

      Check out seatguru (www.seatguru.com). Northwest doesn't have power ports on all the planes but on some of them they even have them in economy.

      I just flew business on United from/to Japan and if I hadn't been really looking for the power port I would never have found it. They can be pretty small.

    44. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by manekineko2 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure either my company or any other company I visit would appreciate me slapping a wireless bridge onto their LAN, but at hotels that's definitely a good tip.

  8. Good news, everyone! by Mike1024 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed.

    I've got some good news for you then: You don't have to settle for a 13 inch screen and 1.8GHz processor at $2,099! For just $1,999.00 you can get a macbook pro with a 2.2GHz processor, the same RAM, a bigger hard disk, a bigger screen (still LED-backlit), free built-in gigabit ethernet, firewire, a decent graphics chip, you can avoid the glossy screen, RAM and HDD are user-upgradable - and you get all this for $100 less!

    Or is being thin a really big selling point for you?

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    1. Re:Good news, everyone! by phoenix321 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To repeat myself and others: "I think one of us is missing the point of the MacBook Air."

      Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :)

    2. Re:Good news, everyone! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Or you could get an Asus W7S for $1299. Faster CPU, faster GPU too.

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    3. Re:Good news, everyone! by rxmd · · Score: 1

      Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value."

      Except that CmdrTaco's response is more like seeing a Porsche and then wanting a Porsche which is a little more aerodynamic and with more horsepower. So until Apple produces the equivalent of a Bugatti Veyron he won't be a MacBook Air customer.

      Rolling in a little bit of mining truck won't hurt either as long as it doesn't spoil the form factor and of course it's Apple's problem how they do it.

      "I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed." is the 2008 version of "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame": (-1: Missed the point).

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    4. Re:Good news, everyone! by blhack · · Score: 1

      Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :) You're really close (okay, no you're not even remotely close on this one).

      A better analogy would be a Nissan Armada vs an Infiniti QX56. The Armada dn the Infinit are very very similar vehicles. The difference is:

      The armada can't pull my boat
      The armada can't fit all the kids AND their snowboards
      the armada can't fit 6 full sized adults comfortably
      the armada is quite a bit smaller
      The armada doesn't have some of the features of the QX56 like standard navigation, backup camera, heated seats etc. etc.

      But the armada IS basically a smaller version of the same body, minus a few features of course. An armada is certainly not a CHEAP car (its a really nice SUV)...but it is certainly not in the same class as the infiniti.

      Now, an armada, due to its lack of features, is a much MUCH cheaper car than the infiniti. Some might say that this doesn't make sense. An armada is a much more practical car than the Infinit...it gets better gas mileage, it will fit into smaller parking spaces, it looks better. etc.

      Same thing in Air vs Macbook pro. The pro has more features than the air does. The air should be looked at like a stripped down "budget" version of the macbook pro that is aimed at travelers.

      okay now mod me as flaimbait for not worshiping the son of god[steve jobs] that is the maccbook air!
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    5. Re:Good news, everyone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inaccurate, the Porsche has WAY more power; that's kind of the point of it. So continuing the car metaphor: the Mac Air is small like a Porsche is but lacks the additional selling point of power... I'm thinking it's more like a Yugo or Yaris.

    6. Re:Good news, everyone! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Er...except that the Air costs *more* than the Pro, which kinda screws up your whole "the Armada is cheaper than the Infiniti" argument.

    7. Re:Good news, everyone! by blhack · · Score: 1

      Er...except that the Air costs *more* than the Pro, which kinda screws up your whole "the Armada is cheaper than the Infiniti" argument. No, that is exactly my point.

      The armada is cheaper becaues it doesn't have as many features....thats what the air SHOULD be....

      What apple has done would be similar to if Nissan had decided to charge more for the armada than they do for the infiniti.
      What apple did doesn't make any sense (to me) because you're not getting as much laptop for a HIGHER price.
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    8. Re:Good news, everyone! by raisin · · Score: 1

      Except that in this case, the Porsche has a gas tank that requires a screwdriver to open, and you can only see out of half the windshield.

      Without an ethernet port to use on the road and in hotels where there's no wireless, and a battery that I can't replace on flights that last longer than a couple of hours, no thanks. It makes little sense to me as someone who travels a lot.

      I regularly use spare batteries for my MBP on the road. And I'm not interested in the MacBook since the graphics chipset stinks, but I'd be willing to sacrifice graphics for something smaller and lighter like the MacBook Air.

    9. Re:Good news, everyone! by ksheff · · Score: 1

      according to the store.apple.com, the Pro is $200 more than the Air.

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    10. Re:Good news, everyone! by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      About a half of a Porsche's sex appeal is directly related to its price tag, a third is the sleek look and only the rest is actual performance.

      The same applies for the MB Air. (and to a lesser extent to all other macbooks...)

    11. Re:Good news, everyone! by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      Both cars you mentioned have no innovation value, no geek sex appeal and do not fit in a standard envelope for mailing. Obviously, the Mac Book Air is better in all departments except raw power.

      Seriously, try to compare it to the Smart car, if you want. Not just small and slow, but luxuriously so.

    12. Re:Good news, everyone! by syousef · · Score: 1

      Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :)

      Ah now I understand. What you're saying is that this is a niche product that isn't practical for everyday use but is a status symbol and an excellent substitute for having a small willie.

      That's fine. If so it doesn't deserve the kind of attention it's getting and we should no more be told how incredible this laptop is than we should be shown porches at a dealership when we walk in wanting a family car. Note that porches don't enjoy or target a large market share.

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    13. Re:Good news, everyone! by BlueParrot · · Score: 1

      For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :)


      Sounds about right.
    14. Re:Good news, everyone! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that very very little on the Porsche aside from fuel is generally considered 'user replaceable'. ;)

      I wouldn't even want to try changing a tire on mine... wheel locks, funky collapsible spare, weird funky jack, and I'm not sure where I'd put the massive wheel I'd just taken off? Passenger seat?? It isn't going under the hood (the trunk? whatever you're supposed to call it on a rear-engine car) ... no if I ever blow a tire I'll just get a tow truck. And not a regular tow truck either... send a flatbed, please.

  9. And I'll wait.. by blind+biker · · Score: 0

    for something with a little more ethernet ports. Like, one, for instance.

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  10. Re:I want the old Slashdot back! by larry+bagina · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    And just try reading slashdot with javascript disabled or a browser that doesn't support it.

    Ajax/DHMTL/Javascript is nice when it degrades gracefully. It's poor design when it doesn't.

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  11. Cheaper Batteries? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    For its part, Apple has announced its intent to offer a MacBook Air Out-of-Warranty Battery Replacement Program, which promises authorized replacements for US $129. The mail-in repair process normally takes 5 business days, the company says.


    Why are these batteries so expensive? I know Apple is just launching this AirBook, and all its tech is new, and battery life is its primary constraint. But that replacement cost is 7.5% of the $1720 of the entire AirBook. The R&D and manufacturing of the rest of the skinny tech seems more precious to me.

    But it's not just Apple and the AirBook. I've got an Inspiron 8000 notebook that's been running continuously for about 7 years, with no problems or failures/wearout (including the HD, which I replaced just on principle - and capacity - after 6 years). Except for the batteries: two batteris that I hardly ever used (maybe 4h cumulative unplugged) that just died after 5 years, cost $75 each to replace. And no option to repair them.

    Is there a reason? Maybe I'm just missing the aftermarket of cheap 3rd party batteries. Or maybe the vendors are just "power mad".
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    1. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by COMICAGOGO · · Score: 1

      I think it's because most Mac users that buy the new stuff are actually, literally, made of money. They think of it as getting rid of some dead skin instead of overpaying.

      Just so everyone knows I do have a Mac, and use it, but it's old enough that I only have to have money dandruff.

    2. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by Znork · · Score: 1

      Is there a reason?

      Yes.

      For wearing out: Li-Ion. They simply do that. Li-Ion batteries have a limited lifespan of approximately 3 years. Usage doesnt affect it much; temperature does. Put them next to a hot CPU and they'll die within a year, put them in the freezer and they wont lose more than 2% capacity per year. And of course, you dont really know how long the product's been in the shelf at the shop...

      Basically, if you hardly ever use them, take them out and stick them in the freezer or at least in a fridge (allow thawing before use).

      For the price: The non-standard form-factors make it an uncompetetive (and expensive) if not outright profitable segment.

      Personally I avoid products with li-ion batteries like the plague. I can deal with it if they take standard size batteries, but with the soldered in crap? I prefer my expensive electronics to last slightly longer than a bottle of milk in the sunshine...

    3. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I suppose there's nothing I can do with these old Li-ion batteries, like sell them to a refurber? Are they toxic/hazardous, or can I throw them in the trash?

      Who knew buying a battery was like adopting a tamagotchi?

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    4. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

      Actually charge/discharge cycles do have effect on the life the Li-ion batteries. The higher the charge/discharge speed the worse the effect. And even you don't use it, it degrades. I noticed that all Dell notebooks around me have their batteries dead after about 3 years with/without heavy battery use. The best way too keep a Li-ion battery is too keep it half charged at a cool place. And don't let it deeply discharged.

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    5. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by GraZZ · · Score: 1

      Yes, send your Li-Ion to a battery recycler. They should not go in the trash.

    6. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by ksheff · · Score: 1

      That's the price of the service of you sending in the laptop and having them replace the battery. They have a similar program for iPods, but you can still buy iPod battery replacement kits on the web for much less. Expect something similar for the Air.

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    7. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Know any? In NYC?

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    8. Re:Cheaper Batteries? by GraZZ · · Score: 1

      Don't know any in NYC, but a lot of places that sell cell phones will recycle phones and batteries.

  12. Not that easy by spyfrog · · Score: 1

    Ok, so it is rather easy to change at home.
    However, don't this opening of it void the guaranty?

    Also, why did Apple made the battery internal like this in the first place?
    Why don't simply make it as easy to change as on a Mac-book or any other laptop?
    I don't see the rational in the decision to not make it easy to change it without opening the case.

    1. Re:Not that easy by wootest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because when they don't need to make a hatch for the battery, they could make it thinner.

      Seriously: the reason MacBook Air exists is because it's light, and because it's ridiculously thin. It's also interesting because of the trackpad and its multi-touch gestures, and because it has slightly different tradeoffs when compared to other subnotebooks which makes it a fairly unique product - MacBook Air has a faster CPU and normal-sized screen and keyboard, virtually every subnotebook has more features and ports in every other aspect, but piddly screens and keyboards.

      The reason MacBook Air exists is because it's a unique proposition in the market (per the above), not because it's really convenient to service yourself or fast or extensible. There are other products for that.

    2. Re:Not that easy by spyfrog · · Score: 1

      And how much thinner could they make it by making this decision?
      Probably not much.

      The Air is a strange thing that is mostly sold of being thin. I don't really understand the purpose of that. What if it was a bit thicker? The Air is still a large computer even if it is thin, since it is quite large in depth and length (which it of course have to be to have the large screen). The most important factors for people is usually the weight and that the computer isn't unreasonable large.
      Air is very thin but not impressive when it comes to other dimensions.

      Another strange thing about the Air is that it is thinner on one side. What is to stop anyone from making a computer that has a 0.1 mm sharp edge and that is 30 mm on the other side? Would that still be thin or large?
      If Apple had made the Air the same height on each side, they could probably have fitted a replaceable battery.

    3. Re:Not that easy by wootest · · Score: 1

      Since the Air's battery spans the entire width of the computer, I don't think they could have.

    4. Re:Not that easy by ksheff · · Score: 1

      or maybe they didn't want an ugly looking battery hatch with a few screws on the bottom of the machine in addition to the screw that removes the rest of it. I suppose it also gives them some flexibility to be able to move things around internally for minor revision changes too.

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    5. Re:Not that easy by wootest · · Score: 1

      That makes some sense. They've lost the road warrior market if they don't have swappable batteries, but with LED backlighting, most things on the motherboard, a 1.8" drive (and SSD if you choose so, I suppose) and a minimum of extra ports (and optical drives) to power, they may be able to crank up the battery life to an acceptable level. Rumor has it that the advertised 5 hours were recorded with Wi-Fi on, as opposed to the standard "every feature off, RAM disk, screen minimum brightness, CPU napping and downclocked and fair wind; oh, and it never actually *did* anything during that time, this is just a theoretical maximum" industry fare. Then again, road warriors would probably like to see bigger hard drives.

  13. oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see myself in the middle of a flight replacing the battery with a screwdriver. Honest

  14. What Good Does It Do? by STrinity · · Score: 1

    Okay, you can replace the battery. But can you replace the battery without voiding the warranty?

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    1. Re:What Good Does It Do? by Sancho · · Score: 1

      In the US, warranties cannot be voided by aftermarket modification unless the vendor can prove that said modification caused the damage seeking to be repaired.

      That said, something like would have to be fought in court, and with Apple's bankroll and the relatively low costs we're talking about, it's probably not going to be worth it to anyone. People replacing the batteries themselves won't think that fighting is worth it.

  15. screwdriver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see it now, business travelers on a plane taking their computers apart to change the battery so they can continue working. I don't know how you will get that screwdriver past security...

  16. If the MBA is missing something, read this first: by mailseth · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is the best explanation of why the MacBook Air doesn't have $yourFavoriteFeature I've read so far.
    http://wilshipley.com/blog/

  17. Horsepower? Road apples. by argent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :)

    If a Porsche had the same handling characteristics as a pickup, it *would* be bad value.

    Unlike automobiles, making a laptop smaller doesn't increase its performance... it usually decreases it. The Macbook Air has a slower processor and hard disk (less horsepower) than the Macbook Pro, not the same.

    If you're going to use an automotive analogy, try and find one that makes the slightest bit of sense.

    1. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by truesaer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you're going to use an automotive analogy, try and find one that makes the slightest bit of sense.


      The point remains, the primary goal of the thin and light laptop segment is for them to be...well, thin and light. I'm not particularly an Apple fan but it is sort of pissing me off hearing people whine about not being able to efficiently simulate folding proteins on a laptop that is totally not intended for that kind of shit.


      If you're not a road warrior or a student who wants something to carry around for writing papers this is not the laptop for you and was never meant to be.

    2. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by argent · · Score: 1
      I'm not particularly an Apple fan either, and I can't stand the iPod and I can't stand the new chiclet keyboards (and GOD I hope they don't hang on as long as those horrible puck mice on the iMacs), but when Apple does something write I'll happily defend them.

      But the guy you were replying to was saying the same thing you are saying now. Really. Look:

      I've got some good news for you then: You don't have to settle for a 13 inch screen and 1.8GHz processor at $2,099! For just $1,999.00 you can get a macbook pro with a 2.2GHz processor, the same RAM, a bigger hard disk, a bigger screen (still LED-backlit), free built-in gigabit ethernet, firewire, a decent graphics chip, you can avoid the glossy screen, RAM and HDD are user-upgradable - and you get all this for $100 less!

      Or is being thin a really big selling point for you?

      He's making the same damn point: the Macbook Air isn't for the people who think being thin is irrelevant and getting decent performance is important. The only difference is that he's implying something about people who are willing to spend an extra $700 to get a slower but thinner Macbook, and you're implying something else. He's not missing the point any more than you are.
      If you're not a road warrior or a student who wants something to carry around for writing papers this is not the laptop for you and was never meant to be.
      If you are a road warrior or a student who wants something to carry around for writing papers, this is not the laptop for you either.

      * For the road warrior, the lack of a removable battery pack is killer. When I was a road warrior my laptop was a Toshiba Libretto, which was genuinely smaller than any of the competition, but included a removable battery pack... which was super-important, even though the Libretto could go a solid 5 hours on a charge.

      * For the student, well, how many students have an extra $700 (whoops, sorry, $830 including the optical drive and ethernet adapter) to blow on a laptop?

      The 2 pounds difference in weight is reduced to one pound right off the bat by that external optical drive.

      I'm not saying there's not a market for them, obviously there is, but it's not the student or the road warrior, it's the people for whom style matters above all. I'm normally ready to jump on people who say that's the only reason to get a Mac, but in this case we're comparing Macs against Macs: the advantage of being able to run applications that don't suck on an OS that doesn't suck isn't on the Macbook Air's side.
    3. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by tfoss · · Score: 1

      making a laptop smaller doesn't increase its performance... it usually decreases it. Unless, like a lot of people, you consider a laptop's "performance" to include its portability.

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    4. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

      As for the students: They don't need the ethernet adapter, wireless is omnipresent on campus (or you get a cheap WLAN router for your dorm room). And what would you need the optical drive for? (you can use someone else's drive for installation if you need to and there is certainly no need to carry one around day to day)

      So: no weight malus.

    5. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by ksheff · · Score: 1

      For the road warrior, the lack of a removable battery pack is killer.
      did you even read the article?..D'oh! that's right. This is slashdot.

      I've never replaced the battery in the laptop that I've had for over 2 years. If I'm going somewhere, I bring the appropriate charger.

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    6. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by argent · · Score: 1

      I've never replaced the battery in the laptop that I've had for over 2 years. If I'm going somewhere, I bring the appropriate charger.

      I really liked the separate battery pack on my Toshiba Libretto. It meant I could actually take notes on my laptop for a whole day at a class or presentation without having to be one of the geeks sitting at the side of the room fighting over the available power sockets. I didn't even need to take the charger out of my hotel room: with a fully charged battery pack in the Libretto and another in my pocket, I was good for 10 hours.

      Two years? You'll learn.

  18. They don't get it by Dasher42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a certain crowd that's criticizing the MacBook Air a lot for what it leaves off, and I don't think they get what you want with a subnotebook. I likewise wonder what they think of the EeePC.

    There's a diversity of needs in personal computing, and at one end you have the gamers who want highly upgradable components and to cram everything they can into a 600-watt beast with fans whining. Fine, okay, but my own preference is that I'd rather not share my living space with that. The next is the quiet low-profile desktop, and Apple's doing that kind of thing very recognizably with the iMac and Mac Mini. There are PC systems like the shuttle. Then there are desktop-replacement laptops with enough GPU for gamers and CPU for number crunching. And now there are subnotebooks. Cite whatever midpoints or extremities you want, these are the relevant ones.

    Most web/email/office use is simply best done on something like an iMac if you're stationary, or a laptop. Those of us who value quiet and energy efficiency will more and more choose this route. The real junkies among us have not one, but several machines. After a while, it gets annoying if they're all identical configurations. You don't want to pack a DVD and a monster peripheral set into your subnotebook - that's for basic needs on the go! Leave your movie collection at home, say, on a nice Kurobox or some other NAS. You don't need multiple DVD burners. You can get disk images off your NAS. Back it up with a Time Capsule or roll your own.

    I like my network of specialized machines. It makes choosing an operating system and hardware configuration a matter of the right choice for the job. I think most of the criticism of the MacBook Air comes from the 600W desktop beast crowd that has everything in one or two boxes. Well... they'll come around.

    1. Re:They don't get it by Sancho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like the EEE, and I think that the Macbook Air is pointless, so I guess that I'm the kind of person that you're looking to get some answers from.

      The reason for my opinions on the matter stem largely from portability. The Macbook Air may only weigh 3lbs (certainly a technical innovation) but if you set it on top of a Macbook, it's going to be about the same size. Its length and width are almost identical. Only its height (thinness) and weight are less. To me, that doesn't make it significantly more portable than the Macbook.

      The EEE, on the other hand, is much smaller than the Macbook Air. For portability, that's a much bigger difference than simply being thinner. The dimensions (found on reghardware.co.uk) can be found here: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/01/16/asus_air_table_2.png

      I think that it adds insult to injury that the Macbook Air costs $600 more than the Macbook for almost the same dimensions, but much more power. If Apple had come out with a 10" notebook, I'd feel very differently, but I just can't call the Air a subnotebook or an ultraportable, and as such, I have to compare it to other, normal-sized notebooks. When you compare it against these, it's a horrible deal.

    2. Re:They don't get it by kaiidth · · Score: 1

      Agreed with the portability point above.

      Also, the Eee and the Air are comparable only in the sense that they are both oddball designs. The fact that the Eee is almost in the 'impulse-buy' range for a huge number of people means that people tend to be fairly relaxed about the device's capabilities. For $300-$400, what would anybody expect? It's almost in the same ballpark as a handheld like the Nokia N800, and there is a high tolerance of weird quirks on handhelds. 630Mhz is enough for hanging out with, 512 megs of RAM is enough for a bit of web browsing, and then there's that long list of features (modem, Ethernet, headphone/mic, a collection of USB ports)... Sure, you know your chances of using a modem this year are almost nil, but so what? You may not even know exactly what you intend to use the Eee for, but at that price who cares? Buy one, stick it in your bag for a few weeks and see how it works out.

      Given the cost of a Macbook Air, those who have not robbed a bank lately will probably find that the price tag has an abrasive effect on their ability to ignore niggling little details. Certainly if you make insane quantities of money and your environment is so well regulated that you will never find yourself without wifi or power (for >5 hours) or in need of a microphone socket -- and if for some reason you really do feel that the one thing you require is the thinnest possible device, which as others have said is not the most obvious metric -- then the maths will look different to you. I've seen it described as the 'ultra-high end of the low end'. If that's the market segment a potential buyer is in I guess that it will make more sense to them.

      The Air has the feature list of a gadget, not a subnotebook. And that is fine, but it's not priced like a gadget, unlike the Eee. At least at the cost they are selling the thing for in the UK, it is expensive enough to require serious thought.

    3. Re:They don't get it by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

      Pardon, Kurobox link fixed here.

  19. How odd... by jamrock · · Score: 1

    I commented about this just yesterday.

  20. It fits in an envelope? Oh wow! by argent · · Score: 1

    Anyone else remember that one of the "oh wow" moments in Apple history was when it was discovered that the Macintosh was the most frequently stolen computer in the world. More recently the iPod became the target of choice for footpads and muggers. With such an easily disguised laptop, is Apple trying for the hat trick?

  21. Nibbled to death by ducks... by argent · · Score: 1, Informative
    Owning a Macbook Air looks like being nibbled to death by ducks. Not only is it super-expensive, but Apple's actually charging for things that have come included in all their other laptops, like the video adapter:

    In addition to the $99 MacBook Air external SuperDrive, Apple is also offering a $29 USB Ethernet Adapter, $49 MagSafe Airline Adapter, and $19 Apple Micro-DVI to Video Adapter.
    1. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by linuxwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe you should have tried reading the "What's in the box" section:

      • Micro-DVI to DVI adapter
      • Micro-DVI to VGA adapter

      That lets you connect an Off-the-shelf MacBook Air to anything you can connect an Off-the-shelf MacBook Pro.

      I'm not saying you won't get nibbled to death in other places (*cough* iTunes rentals *cough*), but this isn't one of them.

    2. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by lexarius · · Score: 1

      My MacBook certainly didn't come with a video adapter. It has a MiniDVI port. VGA, DVI, and Composite/S-Video adapters sold separately.

    3. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by argent · · Score: 1

      My MacBook certainly didn't come with a video adapter.

      My Macbook Pro came with a VGA adapter. I guess that's part of the price difference between the Macbook and the Pro... but it seems the Macbook Air is priced like the Pro and delivers like the Macbook.

    4. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by argent · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should have tried reading the "What's in the box" section:

      Guess so. I was just following the links from the article, and that wasn't in them. Sorry.

    5. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by JPRelph · · Score: 1

      They do include a DVI and VGA adapter in the box, if you have a look at http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html it states that those are included and the Composite and S-Video adapters are optional.

    6. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      Owning a Macbook Air looks like being nibbled to death by ducks. Not only is it super-expensive, but Apple's actually charging for things that have come included in all their other laptops, like the video adapter:

      Wait, so how is that like being nibbled to death by ducks?

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    7. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, if you read Apple's website, the Micro-DVI Adapters are included:

      What's in the box

              * MacBook Air
              * Micro-DVI to DVI adapter
              * Micro-DVI to VGA adapter

              * Cleaning/polishing cloth

              * MagSafe power adapter
              * Install/restore DVDs
              * Printed documentation
    8. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They charge for this cord for the iMacs as well.

    9. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by iroll · · Score: 1

      That USED to come included in all their other laptops. I got one free with my G4 iBook, but I believe I had to shell out for one for my MacBook.

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    10. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Not only is it super-expensive, but Apple's actually charging for things that have come included in all their other laptops, I'm critical of the air book or whatever they call it, however I can't say it's super-expensive. Look at the price of the Toshiba Portege R500, the Sony vaio TZ, ASUS U1F A1, . The ultra portable in this class starts about about $2000. The apple, while lacking in features in contrast to other notebooks in this class, is NOT over priced considering.
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    11. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by GarfBond · · Score: 1

      My Dell Inspiron 600m did not come with a video adapter - that was a $19 accessory as well.

      Besides, the MacBook Air comes with both DVI and VGA out. How often do you really use SVideo?

    12. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by argent · · Score: 1

      The Toshiba Portege R500 is pretty close to half the weight of the Macbook Air, in its minimal configuration, and even fully loaded it's lighter AND includes an optical drive, a faster and larger hard drive, Ethernet, a PC-card slot, removable battery, basically all the things that you can't get or cost more in the Macbook Air.

      The other computers you named are also lighter and more capable.

      The apple, while lacking in features in contrast to other notebooks in this class, is NOT over priced considering.

      If it's lacking features and it's similarly priced, how can you describe it as anything BUT 'expensive'?

      I didn't say it was over-priced, mind you. The Mac Tax you pay to get an OS that doesn't suck with applications that don't suck is worth it. But that's what you're paying for, when you get a Mac instead of a Toshiba.

      But compared to the plain old Macbook it *is* super-expensive, and once you add the optical drive it's not really that much lighter. Yes, I know, they have all kinds of tricks to make that optional, but I've been a network admin for 20 years and I've had a Toshiba Libretto and I've had plenty of my users opt for laptops with optional optical drives, and every time one of them comes in for support they've got the drive dock attached or the drive stuffed into their briefcase or bag. They're road warriors, executives, the guys who this is supposedly targeted at, and they know that they're going to have people handing them stuff on disc often enough to make it a bad bet to leave the drive behind.

    13. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      The Toshiba Portege R500 is pretty close to half the weight of the Macbook Air, in its minimal configuration, and even fully loaded it's lighter AND includes an optical drive, a faster and larger hard drive, Ethernet, a PC-card slot, removable battery, basically all the things that you can't get or cost more in the Macbook Air.
      The other computers you named are also lighter and more capable. Near as i'm aware this is the first time in a while that Toshiba is shipping this series with an optical drive on board. Keep in mind I wouldn't buy the air, but to be fair to the macbook air

      Base Air VS Toshiba R800 s5001x

      CPU: Core Duo 1.6ghz VS 1.2ghz U7600
      GPU: intel GMA x1300 VS i950
      Screen: 13.3inch VS 12.1inch
      Max memory: 4gb vs 1.5gb (2.0gb in the top end)
      Stock HD: 1.7 inch 80gb VS 120gb
      Weight: 3lbs vs 2.4+lbs.
      Price: $1700 VS $2000

      Close to half the weight? Not according to what I'm reading. Don't get me wrong the Toshiba is a fine product. I'm sure the HD is faster, as I'm sure it's not a 1.7 inch. But more capable? Looks like the base model supports less memory, is stuck with the i950 graphics board, and a slower cpu, and it looks like you have to buy the R500-S5004 @ $3000 to get 2gb of ram onboard, otherwise you are stuck at 1.5gig. Now it is using the ultra small core duo which may or may not be continued, but at this point that's neither here nor there.

      Not all ultra-portables have onboard optical drives, in all fairness.

      If it's lacking features and it's similarly priced, how can you describe it as anything BUT 'expensive'? While I FULLY AGREE it lacks features, the ones that it lacks don't typically add much to the price tag. But I can not describe it as being expensive when ultra portables in this class start at about $2000.
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    14. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by argent · · Score: 1

      I don't put the Macbook Air in the same category as that Toshiba. Portability to me means: how much mass you have to haul to get the functions you need. Compare the weight budget, and you'll see the difference between the Macbook Air and the Toshiba is the difference between a real ultralight notebook and a pretender.

      If you get the Toshiba configured similarly to the Macbook Air is 1.7 lbs. That's close to half the weight. Fully loaded you get a computer that's still lighter and still has all the missing features that you can't get integrated into the Macbook Air for any price. That's a real "ultraportable".

      The Macbook Air might have been an ultraportable ten years ago... it's comparable in weight to my old Libretto, though it's not as convenient to carry... but the goalposts have moved in the past decade.

    15. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      If you get the Toshiba configured similarly to the Macbook Air is 1.7 lbs. That's close to half the weight. Fully loaded you get a computer that's still lighter and still has all the missing features that you can't get integrated into the Macbook Air for any price. That's a real "ultraportable". The Toshiba only weighs in at 1.7lbs if, AFAIK, if you go with a solid state drive. Yep, I double checked it on the site. Similarly configured it's 3lbs vs 2.4+lbs.

      you'll see the difference between the Macbook Air and the Toshiba is the difference between a real ultralight notebook and a pretender. The macbook air is NOT a pretender. It's got the 1.7 inch drive, it's got the ultra small profile cpu, by no meaning of the word is it a pretender. It weighs in a fair bit more (.6lbs), but you get 13.3inch screen rather than 12.1inch, the ability to have a full 4gigs of ram rather than 1.5gb or 2gb, and a faster cpu yet a reasonably low profile.

      While it's NOT something i'd buy, I can't see it's a pretender by any means.

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    16. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by argent · · Score: 1

      The Toshiba only weighs in at 1.7lbs if, AFAIK, if you go with a solid state drive.

      The Macbook Air with the solid state drive is still three pounds.

      The macbook air is NOT a pretender. It's got the 1.7 inch drive, it's got the ultra small profile cpu

      Those are cool in a geeky sense, but they're not something that directly benefit the user unless they actually make it smaller and lighter. Thinness doesn't really benefit the user either, beyond a certain point... and the plain old Macbook is thin enough that it's really a matter of style to go thinner. The main characteristics of an ultraportable are overall footprint and weight. Remember the old 12" Powerbook ads? They didn't go on about how thin the 12" powerbook was... which is a good thing, because it was actually thicker than the 15". They advertised the footprint.

      Jobs said that they made thinness a higher priority than weight, and it's got the same footprint as the plain old Macbook (it's even a smidgen wider).

      you get 13.3inch screen rather than 12.1inch

      Which makes it an inch and a half wider and half an inch deeper. I don't think any other laptop shooting for the label of ultraportable uses a screen larger than 12.1". The Fujitsu Lifebook is 10.6", the smallest VAIO is 11.1". My Libretto was 7.2".

      They'd have done better copying the hackintosh guys who got OS X running on an Eee PC.

    17. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      The Macbook Air with the solid state drive is still three pounds. Could be given it ships with a 1.7 inch HD. I have to say I don't know.

      Those are cool in a geeky sense, but they're not something that directly benefit the user unless they actually make it smaller and lighter There ARE smaller laptops than the Air, I'm not sure about thinner. The specs are semi-decent given the size.

      Thinness doesn't really benefit the user either, beyond a certain point... and the plain old Macbook is thin enough that it's really a matter of style to go thinner. I beg to differ. If you have ever had to move with briefs about you would see an advantage to thinner. Think about what you would benefit more from, a 1/2 inch off the sides or 1/4 inch off the top. To me when traveling thinner means more shirts, more documents.

      The main characteristics of an ultraportable are overall footprint and weight. Where weight 5lbs. The Toshiba r500 with little doubt takes up less volume than the Macbook air, which to be fair is hard to calculate due to the "sleekness".

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  22. Ask Slashdot: Battery life with the SSD option? by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm wondering about the battery life with the solid state drive option. Apple states that the machine gets 5 hours on a 37 W-hr battery -- suggesting an average power draw of about 7.4W. Cursory Googling suggests that SSD draw about half the power of a normal HD -- perhaps 0.5 W less. That suggests that the SSD version might get more than 5 1/2 hours. Of course the SSD option comes with a faster processor which might taketh away that extra battery life.

    But all this is just speculation and BOTEC. Has anyone got their mitts on an SSD MBA and tested battery life???

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    1. Re:Ask Slashdot: Battery life with the SSD option? by Sancho · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can actually configure an Air with either SSD, faster processor, or both. The SSD drive costs $999, and the faster processor costs $300.

    2. Re:Ask Slashdot: Battery life with the SSD option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "5 hours" estimate may have been computed with the hard drive spun-down anyway...

  23. I think calling some people retarded by crovira · · Score: 4, Insightful

    neither makes your point nor endears you to the boss (who's daughter IS quite probably the target demographic for this little gem.)

    Just say its not for you because of (yadda, yadda, yadda), and suddenly, you find that not even you want to read your opinion.

    I'm not buying one because of my needs for something more substantial, but those are MY needs. They aren't for everybody.

    Apple
    got everybody to switch 5"1/4 disketes for 3"1/2 by giving them no option (and everybody predicted disaster,) them he
    got everybody to switch to USB by giving them no option (and everybody predicted disaster), then
    got rid of the diskette drive altogether by giving them no option (and everybody predicted disaster,)
    then he got everybody to switch to writable CDs (and now DVDs) by giving them no option.

    Now he's getting rid of CDs and DVDs altogether and moving storage into appliances and services; by giving them no option.

    Wake the fuck up.

    The machine YOU'RE using as a road warrior would still be taking up all of your desk space if it wasn't for Steve Jobs' sheer balls.

    The internet and the web weren't caused by INTERNAL influences.

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    1. Re:I think calling some people retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, you missed the biggest one of all--the switching power supply.

      Back when the Apple II came out the Electronic press was livid--linear power supply technology was well established, etc. etc.

      Imagine what your machines would look like today with a linear power supply.

    2. Re:I think calling some people retarded by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Apple wasn't responsible for the rise of CD burners. It was actually quite the opposite- Apple ignored that trend entirely until it was clear watching movies on computers was not the next big thing and weak CD writing on the Mac was becoming a weakness, then admitted as much when introducing the first Macs to ship with them built in.

    3. Re:I think calling some people retarded by rooleg · · Score: 1

      He's not getting rid of CDs and DVDs, he's just forcing you to scab off people who have one.

    4. Re:I think calling some people retarded by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
      The machine YOU'RE using as a road warrior would still be taking up all of your desk space if it wasn't for Steve Jobs' sheer balls.

      Wow, I'm not sure how you type with Steve's dick in your mouth, but you seem to be really good at it.

      Most of your points are bogus, but again your infatuation with Job's genatalia might have warped your opinion. Last time I check all those "advancements" Steve force were only on about 1% of the user population at the time, hardly what I would call a major influence.

      About the coolest and only thing I can think of that that only Apple does is the magnetic power cords on their laptops. Nothing like tripping over a power cord and having your machine go flying.

      Other than that the only inovation Apple seems to produce is taking what's already out there, rearranging it, hyping it, and making stupid money off of people that buy Apple hardware not because they are buying the best (so exactly what's inside the guts of an Apple these days, oh yeah that's right it's a PC), but because it's Apple.

    5. Re:I think calling some people retarded by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Informative
      • 3"1/2 inch diskettes got their breakthrough with the IBM PS/2. Apple had nothing to do with it.
      • I give you USB... Apple pushed it hard, but screwed Firewire over by pushing USB too hard.
      • Diskette drives are still useful and often a pain in PC machines if they are not there.
      • Writeable CD and writeable DVD had nothing to do with Apple. I wrote CD's in 1995. It cost a lot of money, but everyone wanted one. I was simply an early adopter.
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    6. Re:I think calling some people retarded by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      3"1/2 inch diskettes got their breakthrough with the IBM PS/2. Apple had nothing to do with it. Wrong. The 3.5" got their "breakthrough" (literally) with the original 1984 Macintosh. The PS/2 didn't come around until 1987, and by then several machines were using the drives, including Amigas and Commodores. The PS/2 commercialized the high density versions we were all familiar with until their demise.

      often a pain in PC machines if they are not there. 2002 called; they want their update procedures back. I haven't had any floppy drives since 2001. First floppy-less machine in 1999. I once had to connect one for a one-off firmware update for a video card in '99 or '00. It's been nearly 7 years for me, and I haven't looked back. There is nothing that is exclusively floppy-only of any real importance anymore. BIOS flashes, SATA/RAID drivers, firmware updates, and the like are all possible through other means.

      I wrote CD's in 1995. It cost a lot of money Where did the mass market appeal come from? The first Superdrives are the ones that got them to start appearing in the consumer space at non-early adopter prices. Undercutting Apple's upgrade prices was one of the major factors causing the prices to drop. That everyone wanted one is immaterial to how and when the devices came to the consumer market and creating uses for them.
  24. Lame? by IainMH · · Score: 1

    I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed. You could argue that Taco is calling this apple product 'Lame'. :-)
    1. Re:Lame? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And what's the chance that he thinks a Nomad is better?

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    2. Re:Lame? by IainMH · · Score: 1

      Man.. how come you got all the karma? Bah... *grumble* :-)

  25. Special battery by Danathar · · Score: 1

    Yea, but what are the chances Apple will sell you a replacement battery?

  26. New iPod "lame" quote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the new iPod "lame" quote?

    "I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed."

  27. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'M SICK OF THE WORD "ACTUALLY"!!!! Can people stop overusing it??? I also declare war on the words "dude", "awesome", and "like".

  28. Quack, quack... by crovira · · Score: 1

    Lets look at what else it doesn't come with:

    anything and everything that will keep you tied to your desk.

    Your storage is internal (2GB RAM and an 80GB application and scratch-pad persistence mechanism) while the rest (500GB or 1TB with USB [for your printer{s} and RJ-45 to the net/web) can come over the 802.11n.

    (Sorry I got distracted by my MacBook Pro's external 1TB drive doing its hourly incremental back-up via TimeMachine.)

    Its a wireless (and slightly less top end,) version of something I already own, and use.

    Yah, it'll sell and eventually shift the business world when they get around to building new stuff and NOT needing to pull cable.

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  29. hardhack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The title is "MacBook Air's Battery is Actually Easy to Replace". Why is this tagged with "hardhack"?

    The tag system annoys me.

  30. Wil's missing something too... by argent · · Score: 1

    I'm a programmer. I just want a machine I can write software on. Once, I loved gadgets, too, but now I really just want a gadget that (a) works, and (b) is beautiful and easy-to-use.


    I'm a programmer. I just want a machine I can write software on. Once I loved hacking on the computer itself, but now I just want a gadget that (a) works and (b) is easy to use. Beautiful I'll take... but I'm a programmer, I'm the only guy who'll see it, and the rest of my office is decorated in Early 21st Gentury Geek so I don't care.

    Software-wise, OSX gives me (a) works, (b) is beautiful and easy to use.

    Hardware-wise, I'm still waiting for Apple to deliver on (b). Beautiful they've got down, but they sure make it hard to use. My beautiful Macbook Pro is hidden behind my monitor, because the keyboard is the worst laptop keyboard I've ever owned, and pretty close to the worst I've ever used. The Macbook and Macbook air have an even more screwed up chiclet keyboard. I can go almost 15 minutes on my Macbook Pro without having to stop because of my RSI, but I couldn't even manage five minutes on the Macbook keyboard I tried.

    Your hands and wrists are still in pretty good shape, good for you, but for two grand I think I ought to get a keyboard at least as good as the one on an $800 Thinkpad, not something I'd refuse to accept from Dell.

    One button mouse/trackpad, missing keys (look, Steve, the Macbook Pro's got all this space around the kayboard, so why do I have to hit Fn to get Page Up? I DON'T CARE if it makes them cheaper for you if you don't have to design two keyboards... design is what we're paying you for, remember?), lousy cooling (you saved 1/10th of an inch by leaving out enough space for proper airflow, so I have to remove the battery pack to keep it from overheating when I use iMovie HD), and all the rest of the design problems.

    The bottom line is that I didn't buy my Macbook Pro because it looked good, I bought it because it was part of the cost of getting software that doesn't suck. The bottom line is that Apple still puts far more effort into the "looks good" part of "works and looks good", and far too little into the "works" part. The bottom line is that unless the "looks good" part is the main reason for getting the computer, the Macbook Air is nothing more than a crippled Macbook... and you're better off spending the extra $700 on symphony tickets or a good suit if you just want style.
    1. Re:Wil's missing something too... by delire · · Score: 1

      My beautiful Macbook Pro is hidden behind my monitor, because the keyboard is the worst laptop keyboard I've ever owned, and pretty close to the worst I've ever used.
      This is a common complaint.

      Not since the G3 (a beautiful laptop to use) has ergonomics been a priority in Apple portables. I know of several heavy typers claiming that the iBook or the G4 PB has wrecked their wrists. If you want pleasurable typing experience, and are prepared to (illegally?) run OS/X on that machine, you ought to choose something like a Thinkpad. IBM (and now Lenovo) always did take input seriously.

      Having worked alot on an iMac recently - and having spent some time with a MacBook - my hands sigh with relief at my T-series Thinkpad. The keyboard is a pleasure to type on and doesn't run nearly as hot as a MacBook (I wonder how heat affects the joints also). Thinkpads may not be a Euclidean image of geometric beauty - but neither are people.

      I guess you can only hope that Apple stops artificially tying down OS/X to their otherwise completely generic x86 hardware. The MacBooks wouldn't be nearly as popular if OS/X was de-shackled from so-called Apple hardware.
    2. Re:Wil's missing something too... by argent · · Score: 1

      I haven't used a G3 Powerbook, but I am completely in agreement with you about the Thinkpad. I miss the T23 I had as a company laptop a few years ago.

      Apple made a laptop in partnership with IBM once, I have a forlorn hope that they might come to some common understanding with Lenovo, some time...

  31. There are probably going to be battery options... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's pretty simple, really. The magnetic charge port. Apple can offer a battery pack that recharges the Air's battery, extends operating time, etc. It would be just like the AC power supply except it would run off of DC. It could still run with typical laptop batteries (Li-ion and such) for high power densities but it also wouldn't need to be some oddball configuration that drives up manufacturing costs. It could be a basic brick more or less.

    The Air has a power port. Getting extra run time when on aircraft without power plugs, etc, is nothing more than supplying power to the power port.

    Efficiencies also depend on how Apple configured the power port. With just a little forethought, they could have made it where a portable power pack (i.e. auxiliary battery) just runs the Air itself and doesn't recharge the onboard battery. That would be more efficient than accepting charging efficiency losses and the only down side would be having to carry an assembly with cord instead of just an extra battery. A fairly acceptable compromise to trying to make removable batteries in such a tight form factor.

  32. MacBook Air != Subnotebook by BUL2294 · · Score: 0

    Explain to me how a MacBook Air is a subnotebook... Because Stevie J. says so? An OQO is a subnotebook, a Toshiba Libretto is a subnotebook. Tiny screens, width less than 12'', etc. A MacBook air is not a subnotebook.

    I also don't see the usefulness of this machine--it's still wide and deep. Sure, it's not very tall when closed but that just shows technical innovation (a small plus) but no practicality (a huge minus). Granted, many people, especially Apple fanbois, buy things that aren't practical... But when I look at a notebook/subnotebook, I look at the "total space required" to use that machine. That's the total cubic volume, including the empty space between the keyboard and the top of the screen.*** How much less physical space does an opened MacBook Air require compared with other small notebooks? Slightly less. All this for several hundred $$$ more??? I'm impressed the technology exists where a notebook can be put in an envelope but at the same time, whoop-dee-doo. When in use, it still takes the same amount of space on an airplane tray or desk as other small notebooks. If anyone needs to ship a MacBook Air, it's not going to be thrown in an envelope--it'll be put in a box with a shitload of packing peanuts like any other notebook...

    The MacBook air... Much ado about nothing.

    ***Imagine a sub/notebook with the display angled 90 degrees from the base. Now, imagine a cube based on that entire form. That is how much physical space is needed to use the laptop--otherwise you won't be able to type or see the screen.

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  33. You're mixing up software and hardware... by argent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets look at what else it doesn't come with: anything and everything that will keep you tied to your desk.

    The Macbook Air would tie me to my desk more surely than my Macbook Pro does. All that wireless stuff you're talking about? That's software. Having to dangle a dongle drive off my leg when I'm checking out a CD version of a presentation while I'm sitting on a bench in a conference center, wishing I was back at my desk to I could USE that wireless connection, that's hardware.

  34. In the time it takes to get a battery FedEx'd... by Qwaniton · · Score: 1

    ...you could, uh, just charge it.

  35. other whiner stoppers by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) there's an adapter for airline seat jacks so you don't need that second battery
    2) theres a Ethernet jack dongle for the USB so you can plug it to a hard line
    3) there's a mini multiple USB hub so you can put in plenty of things
    4) it has blue tooth (and wifi N) built in so your blue tooth mouse or pointer does not need a jack.
    5) it's gotta honk'in large cache so the 4800 rpm disk is not going to be that big a drag (afterall the macbooks and mac mini are only 5400 rpm and have smaller caches)

    It's not a supercharged photoshop engine given the slower disk and lower end graphics and 13.3 inch screen of course. That's what the8 cpu macpro is for.

    But it's two pounds less than a macbook and you don't need an oversized breifcase or book bag to take it a along. I could see this as a lot easier to schlep around at conferences than may macbook pro. And with it's ultra-fast wifi it's gonna be a lot easier to keep synched than the usual cable clumsiness.

    The 13.3 inch screen is also a much nicer form factor than the 15 or 17 for airplane seats. PLus it's a wide screen not a SVGA shaped screen to it's not as tall. And it has a back lit KB that the macbook lacks.

    Basically the mac book is for college kids and teachers. The air is for bussinessmen and conference goers and people who like aesthitics in the house.

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    1. Re:other whiner stoppers by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      1) there's an adapter for airline seat jacks so you don't need that second battery
      Not all airline seats have them, and although SeatGuru is pretty good, it doesn't have up to date information on every airline and every aircraft layout.

      2) theres a Ethernet jack dongle for the USB so you can plug it to a hard line
      3) there's a mini multiple USB hub so you can put in plenty of things
      More things to carry around, more things to forget at a hotel, more things to break.

      My biggest bugbear with the Air is - £1199.00 and Apple couldn't have the decency to throw in an external USB DVD drive.
    2. Re:other whiner stoppers by Fezzick · · Score: 1
      What airlines have power jacks in the seats? Seriously, I bought an airline AC adapter a while back, and I have yet to see a jack on any plane that I have flown on (for seats in cattle car... err coach, not first class). I always have to resort to bringing an extra battery for my old G4 powerbook just to get through the flight.

      I fly United Airlines predominately with the occasional JetBlue. Even international flights on big planes don't offer this convenience. Who has these airline jacks?

    3. Re:other whiner stoppers by tknd · · Score: 1

      First off, why is it that when it comes to Apple anything negative is whining? Apple is a company. We are customers. Customers are allowed to whine all we want as long as they want our money.

      2) theres a Ethernet jack dongle for the USB so you can plug it to a hard line
      3) there's a mini multiple USB hub so you can put in plenty of things

      The point behind ultraportable is that you don't need to take additional accessories with you. Ideally, you take the unit and if necessary the charging cord. That's it.

      4) it has blue tooth (and wifi N) built in so your blue tooth mouse or pointer does not need a jack.

      I prefer wired mice because I don't have to worry about the battery dying on me. The mouse is probably the only additional accessory besides the power cord that I would take with me. I'm actually not in the set of people that want to drag along a spare battery, but I still think replacing the battery easily is required since the lifetime of the machine will probably be 5 years or more.

      The idea behind an ultraportable is similar to the philosophy of a light traveler. Ultraportable users want less weight, less size, and fewer accessories to drag along. Because of that they're willing to make compromises like throwing out things that rarely get used (optical drives) and sacrifice speed for battery life (eliminate the need to drag a power cord and you will have a hot product). At the same time when an ultraportable user is back at the office or back at home, they don't want to have all of these fancy accessories to plug in to make it functional again. They only want to plug in what's necessary because it is likely they will have to unplug it again.

      So if Jobs and company had managed to squeeze in an ethernet port, then that's one less stupid accessory. If they managed to squeeze in a 2nd usb port that's another accessory that won't be needed. If they managed to squeeze an SD card reader instead of that stupid webcam then they'd really be on the right track. They're pretty much at a loss with the size of a DVI plug, but they could've at least considered HDMI instead now that more displays are coming with built-in HDMI.

      If I was Apple I wouldn't mind the customers whining. If they whine, that means they're interested in the product as long as in the next version they addresses what people whined about. If they don't whine that either means they have no need for the product (see Apple TV) or the product is perfect. Rarely is the product perfect.

    4. Re:other whiner stoppers by Westacular · · Score: 1

      5) it's gotta honk'in large cache so the 4800 rpm disk is not going to be that big a drag (afterall the macbooks and mac mini are only 5400 rpm and have smaller caches) What on earth are you talking about? If it's L2 cache... that's not at all relevant, and every single MacBook processor has 4MB on-die.

      The Air's disk is 4200 rpm, not 4800, by the way, and if you were talking about the disk's buffer (which shouldn't be confused with cache), I haven't seen the size listed anywhere, at all, and there's no reason to believe it's anything special.
  36. because if you can run a macbook for several hours by thegnu · · Score: 2, Funny

    imagine how many energies must be just waiting to fly violently out of that battery at high speeds, and damage plane parts. those damn energies.

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  37. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll add that I bet that a third party will make an outboard battery you can jack into the power plug, ending all arguments.

    1. Re:Mod parent up by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I'll add that I bet that a third party will make an outboard battery you can jack into the power plug, ending all arguments.

      And will promptly be sued of out existance by Apple for violating their patents on the Magsafe connectors.

  38. Re:In the time it takes to get a battery FedEx'd.. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    ...you could, uh, just charge it.

    Not if it, uh, fails to hold a charge.

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  39. A Powerbook had the most options & cables I gu by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    My Powerbook G4 had even a RGB cable; the Macbook PRO doesn't even has such port anymore ...
    Now even the modem is missing and for sale as extra usb device for 55 euro.
    Every little needed option is causing the TCO to go up.

    The worst thing is, where are those darn serial ports on those Macs AND PC's?
    Can one say OOB management without a loose-hanging Keyspan? ;)

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  40. Ok but dongles start to defeat the purpose by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you get one for wired network. Ok, then what about USB, as there's only 1 port? Ok so another for that. And optical media? Ok so another for that. Well now that small, light, elegant, laptop you bought isn't so light, isn't so small and certainly isn't so elegant. I have an older tablet that my work lets me use that is like that and it sucks. The tablet itself isn't bad, but you have a bag full of crap to go with it, since nothing is included.

    So that's the problem here for the road warrior market. The "well just buy X accessory" really defeats the purpose of having a small laptop. You lose your weight and size advantage there, not to mention that it is a much bigger pain to carry a bunch of separate dongles than it is to carry a slightly larger laptop that has everything in it.

    We'll have to see how it does, but trying to explain away all complains by "just buy an accessory" doesn't really work. Remember that Sony has a whole lineup of sleek small laptops out there. Many of them include just about damn everything (wired lan, USB, firewire, WiFi, bluetooth, cellular net, DVD, etc). Yes, they are a bit thicker and a bit heavier (though they have lighter ones that still include most things other than an optical drive) but that doesn't mean they aren't a consideration. While people like light, it isn't a case of "Well that laptop is nice, but it is 0.5 pounds more than this other one so I can't possibly buy it."

    1. Re:Ok but dongles start to defeat the purpose by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd just like to say that most of the your logic here is misplaced. For example, let's say I need a power adaptor at work.

      Well, instead of carrying one back and forth all of the time and digging under the desk every day, I simply bought one and left it at work. Problem solved. So if I should need an ethernet connector to get on the office LAN, I'd probably just do the same thing: buy one and leave it connected to the LAN.

      For the external drive, I'd probably leave it at home. I mean, how often do you really need to install new software when you're on the road? And software that isn't available by download? Besides, there's always Remote Disk. So if someone hands me a disk I'll just run the utility on their machine.

      USB ports? Same home/office situation applies here for most cases. Plug multiple devices into port. Get home, plug single port into Air. And there's also AirPort Express. Back when my main machine was a 17" MBP, my printer and speakers were all plugged into an Express. My mouse was Bluetooth. A shared server handled extra drives. As such, my only physical connection was a power cable.

      As SJ says, our future is increasingly wireless.

      One final thought. Dongles, cables, drives, and whatnot can easily go into checked baggage, leaving you with a much lighter machine in your briefcase or backpack.

      It's easy to simply list problems and disaster worst-case scenarios. Here, however, it should have been equally simple to have given each case more than five seconds of thought and found solutions to each problem. As you said, "we'll have to see how it does."

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    2. Re:Ok but dongles start to defeat the purpose by TheWizardTim · · Score: 1

      I have an original MacBook Pro. I never remove the battery. I almost never connect it to a wired network. I almost never use the optical drive. I almost never use the FireWire port. I almost never have more then 1 item connected to it at a time. I do plug it in to power.

      The MacBook Air is a perfect computer for me. I want the small size and weight. I don't need the other ports all the time. If you do need the ports, and the optical drive, get a different laptop.

      I also have a PowerMac G5 at home that I do use the optical and have other items attached, like a printer. If you have more then one computer, then the Air is a great laptop. I think that Apple did a good job cutting out the fat on a laptop. Does everyone want a low fat laptop? I would say no, but then they are not getting rid of the other MacBooks.

      If you are traveling and you need the wired network, then you can buy an adapter. It's not a perfect solution, but most people will not need it, and in the future, wireless networks will be even more available.

  41. This cannot be true ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what if the user burred the edge of the screwhead or ... OMG ... scratched the case. The world would surely cease to exist in order to rectify such destruction of The Ultimate Beauty That Is Apple (TM). SUch work should be entrusted to those fully introduced into The Way of The Apple (TM) (for which the user will be more than happy to pay a suitable ripoff price)

  42. Best Laptop for Airtravel by Kagato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's about the power supply. More and more airlines have in sear power in Coach. The power supply in the current MacBook and MacBook Pro draw too much power. They trip the breaker on the seat. The Air draws almost half as much as the others and will work with every airline power system out there.

    Second, the TSA keeps restricting extra batteries. Recently Spare LiON's were banned from checked luggage. There is no way to know if the same won't be applied to carry on.

    From that standpoint, a laptop that works with Airline power seems more important than being able to change the batteries.

    1. Re:Best Laptop for Airtravel by dtfusion · · Score: 1

      In my experience its less and less. It's better on international than domestic and better on non-US carriers. But its not something you can rely on even with a lot of advance planning with seatguru.com unless you're always flying business class or above. I'd settle for a laptop that actually gets the battery life it claims and doesn't drop capacity by 50% after 1 yr of regular use. I agree with your last point though with one modifier; that airlines actually have power available in most or preferable all coach seats, at least on all long haul flights.

  43. Which part of "external battery" is confusing you? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The 0.1% of people who think this is a problem can carry an external battery with them.

    It can be as big as you carry and last as long as you like. Just plug in a cable and you're good to go.

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  44. Bring the retro back! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 2, Funny

    What I never understood is why they made them backgrounds so white; my eyes are overexposured almost continuesly. I got to turn all the backgrounds black again to have that retro style back. Some users have their backgrounds set to hi-contrasting colors ready to blow off your head into atleast 216 pieces (the amount of webcolors).

    I'd say, let's have a strike all of us, bring back the retro! Bring back the 7 to 9" screens! I want my black backgrounds back! Back to the old days!
    Boycott VGA! ... now let me continue look to my porn in EGA .. it's the sadomachochistic side inside of me ;)

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  45. Better options for additional power by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Why would you carry a second battery - do you carry a second battery for every device you own? Why not get a single external power source, like the Solio, that you can use to power multiple devices AND recharge from the sun instead of mains? If you're going to have the bulk of a second battery anyway...

    Or as others noted there are a lot of power options around all the time - though airports I find to be the worst in this regard as they generally do not have enough plugs for everyone that would like one. Again, a secondary power source comes in handy.

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  46. Not a problem on a Mac by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    On a Mac, there is no failure mode that can prevent the power button depress from shutting down power.

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    1. Re:Not a problem on a Mac by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Well apart from the power button failing I suppose.... ;-)

    2. Re:Not a problem on a Mac by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the newer ones, but the older PPC laptops, having to unplug it from the wall and yank the battery was not an uncommon occurance.

  47. SSD by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Metaphor holds.

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  48. Actually, you're not alone dude! by ObiWonKanblomi · · Score: 1

    (I know i'm at risk for being marked off-topic, but alas this is slashdot!)

    OK I had to say "actually", but this at least makes two of us. People assume using "actually" in discussion adds some intelligence to their statement. I've noticed people tend to use this in online discussions but not as much in email nor in spoken word.

  49. And you can already buy them!!! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    There are already a number of external power options for laptops. You can generally use a 12V adaptor to keep the laptop charged from them, and most are not much larger than a second battery would have been anyway - AND you can charge multiple devices, not just one!

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  50. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Clearly you are right, but it is odd that Apple didn't announce that product at launch to just shut people up. Since Apple doesn't license the mag-safe connector to anybody, it makes it much harder to get a third-party battery pack.

  51. Hmm... Isn't that always the case for mini-DVI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a refurbished Macbook two weeks ago, and had to pay $19 for the adapter.

    Of course, I like my super-high resolution, bright, glossy Macbook screen more than my Dell 17" UltraSharp monitor, so I could have saved my money. Go figure. :)

    Perhaps the new Macbooks have the adapter included, but I'm pretty sure they don't. Someone let me know if I'm wrong.

    1. Re:Hmm... Isn't that always the case for mini-DVI? by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      Of course, I like my super-high resolution, bright, glossy Macbook screen ...
      super high resolution? give me a break! I'm typing this on a black macbook and the low res glossy screen is one of the few things I dont like about it. you can get 12" laptops with more pixels than macbooks, but they dont run osx
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  52. Slight soldering by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    the battery is not so soldered in
    Huh? So it's only soldered in a little bit?
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  53. External Airbook Battery w/Magsafe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you can just take the Airbook into the Apple Store and wait five minutes for your dying battery to be replaced. What about long trips where you want to carry a spare? Some bright person at Apple should come up with the idea for an external battery with a Magsafe connection that you can use. The battery could be the size of a whole Airbook, and provide something like 12 hours of usage.

    I know it's not called "Airbook" but that's what I'm calling it, because I like it better.

  54. Bigger macbook air? by TheSpengo · · Score: 0

    Actually, I'd want a smaller one. Faster clock speed and such do not matter on an ultraportable laptop, if I wanted that I'd be getting some giant 10lb Dell XPS or something. What would you do with it that required so much power? I actually thought the macbook air was too big when I first saw it and that mac should be focusing on overall size rather than just thickness. Now, if they made a macbook air with an 11" screen, that would be just about perfect. :) That could help extend battery life as well, which is another large concern for me when it comes to portability. My current laptop only gets about 3 hours of battery with wifi on and screen at full brightness.

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  55. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by ksheff · · Score: 1

    Then get the car adapter from apple and buy one of these: http://www.ntxtools.com/network-tool-warehouse/JNC-JNC660.html

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  56. dell or gateway? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, you'd have to say 'Dell' or 'Gateway'. There would be no outcry and name calling if this was about something they did or did not do.

    I think your original point is how much Apple is adored and how much Microsoft is loathed, and that adoration or loathing remains resistant to logic.

    Even with that, Microsoft's long history caused people to loath it. It's annoyed people so many times that even if it is nice once, people are not going to change their minds about it. People would have to perceive a fundamental change of Microsoft and a history of quality before it stops being a whipping boy.

  57. I want a SMALLER Macbook by matthew.coulson · · Score: 1

    Gimme Apple's take on a Fujitus U810 / U1010 / U50X. 5.6" screen, full keyboard, tablet convertible.

    Or smaller again. A Zaurus size CLAMSHELL device. First company to produce a pocketable clamshell x86 machine gets my money. Doesn't need to be quick, just needs a proper keyboard, be usable on a desk and not require holding in both hands (like 99% of UMPCs), and PDA size.

  58. Not a convenient solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many people keep multiple charged batteries when traveling. I don't think switching out batteries on a plane by opening up the machine is convenient, and you may get arrested if someone thinks you are creating a bomb.

  59. The Air is smaller by shmlco · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Air is about 2" wider than the 12" PowerBook, but almost the same depth... and then there's the thickness (thinness?). Do the math, and you'll see that the Air is about 52 cubic inches in volume, while your "smaller" PowerBook comes in at a whopping 110 cubic inches.

    Or to put it another way, the Air is 50% smaller than the PowerBook. Important when putting it into a briefcase or backpack. Heck, it's even 20% smaller than the Asus Eee.

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    1. Re:The Air is smaller by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it's not the volume or weight that counts, but the footprint.

      When I travel, the company only pays for coach. I get an upgrade via miles every so often. And for some destinations, the upgrade to business class is cheap enough that I'll cover the distance myself. But more often than not, I'm stuck in the cattle car in the back.

      My old 12-inch powerbook fits and is usable on the fold-down tray table in coach. My 17-inch MacBook Pro does not and is not. So guess which one I take with me when I leave town.

      cya,
      john

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    2. Re:The Air is smaller by shmlco · · Score: 1

      The Air is the same depth from to back as the 12" PowerBook (just under nine inches). At 12.8" it's two inches wider, true, but as my experience the depth (and as such screen height) are the primary controlling factors, the Air should fit that little table just fine. (BTW, most coach airline seating is 17-18" wide.)

      So while I agree that footprints matter, I think the Air's footprint is just fine for this situation.

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  60. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have similar batteries for an old PowerBook 100 series I have. They are, by far, the most, heavy, clunky and uncomfortable laptop accessory one could carry around with them. Almost like carrying a second laptop.

    In addition, these batteries connect to the laptop through the power adapter port on the machine. In the event you ever drain your internal battery before using such a beast, you risk losing all of your work if you accidentally bump the plug. (Something one could easily do in a crowded area.)

    Aside from that, you'd probably have fun trying to get one of these past the TSA checkpoint at an airport. You'd have to figure out how to explain to them why you have a carry-on with wires sticking out of it with no discernible features. Even the prospect of an internal battery replacement would fail. Even if you somehow got a torx screwdriver past TSA, good luck trying to surreptitiously swap out the battery when you have to open up your computer down to its circuitry. You'd be lucky if the attempt didn't end up grounding your flight and get you flagged as a terror suspect for attempting to "construct a bomb" midflight.

    Most likely, the MBA will likely go down in history as the least travel-friendly laptop ever made... at least as far as post 9/11 devices go.

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  61. Day Late Dollar Short by PaddyM · · Score: 1

    I was reading on CNET earlier (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9852240-7.html), that Sharp produced an even thinner laptop that was lighter. Further, if you really want to reduce weight, the Asus EEE pc is going to be better. In terms of functionality, this computer is faster and bigger than other light laptops, although I think the hp tc1100 was a more interesting package for road warriors. This computer seems underwhelming compared to the iphone.

  62. Jacks, standards, and time to move on by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Long haul flights tend to have the 75 watt jacks. By going to the led screen and trimming the cpu speed apple came in under the magic number of 75 watts. According to seat guru not every seat in a plane is equipt, they stagger the jacks so you may have not seen them. Also they are no on the short haul planes (yet). It should be noted that the 5 hour rated life is actually under real world usage conditions: wifi on, screen at half brightness, disk spinning, so your milage may very if you scrimp. On my macbook pro I run with the screen just one click from dark, turn off the wifi and shut down the disk when I can. Also given the 2GB standard memory I expect this puppy will hit the disk a bit less often.

    In most major airports I fly into it's no longer neccessary to lie on the floor next to a coveted power jack. There's these (for sale) power stations going in usually run by the smart-cart luggage folks. I expect within the year these will be ubiquitous. Sure you'll drop a few dimes for something you used to get free but you'll have a more assured charging expectation between short hop flights, and probably less expensive than the spare battery you now don't need.

    Finally, airlines are now experimenting with a music "charging tone" for the ubiquitous audio jack currently on all seats. It won't be enough to run a 75 watt laptop but it is already good enough to charge up power cells or ipods. So you can see the airlines are going that way.

    If you look at history steve always dumps old shit about a year before people think he should, then a year later we see all these companies trying to stretch themselves with backward comaptibility and realizing steve got it right.

    examples: How long computers persist in having 5-1/4 or hard shell floppies long after they were not needed. Remember parallel ports and Rs232 serial. THose jacks used to festoon the back of computers long past the point they were needed. PCMCIA is a gonner too, but it still is being built into computers. Modems? would you not rather pay $25 for a usb to modem dongle if you needed rather than have it built in and drawing power. VGA connectors--who needs them--just use a dongle if you want one.

    instead with a mac oyu tend to get ubiquitous high level features that software writers can count on being in every new mac for 5 years or so. Like motion sensors, lit keybaords, DVI. Or way back to the apple II , postscript, hard disks, dynamic memory replacing static ram, and optical disks.

    The only one that bugs me is the non ubiquitous support of fire wire.

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  63. Requirements by Effugas · · Score: 1

    "All it requires is a screwdriver"...which you're not allowed to take on planes. Also, what's the warranty implications of popping the box?

    If you'll all forgive the snark, here's my impression of a Mac user trying to present at a conference:

    "Does anyone have a DVI to VGA adapter? Anyone? Anyone? ...please?"

    Whatever should have happened (projectors w/ DVI ports, Mac users who don't forget their dongles), what does happen is pretty damning. It's pretty damaging to the brand, from a business side.

    1. Re:Requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "Does anyone have a DVI to VGA adapter? Anyone? Anyone? ...please?"

      What, like the one that comes with the machine? Come on, Apple haters, at least read the specs before you go looking for things to pick apart ...

    2. Re:Requirements by Effugas · · Score: 1

      Dude.

      People keep losing the damn thing, leaving it on the ends of VGA cables or whatever. Go to a few conferences. It's...embarassing.

    3. Re:Requirements by yarbo · · Score: 1

      > "All it requires is a screwdriver"...which you're not allowed to take on planes
      You can't take an extra battery on planes either!

  64. Slashdot is better than Digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just felt compelled to say that the community here on Slashdot is a helluva lot better than most of the people who post to Digg. Over the past week I have counted at least 12 news items on the front page pointing out the Air's problems, followed by hundreds of comments from people acting like 12 year olds. At least here it's possible to have a rational discussion.

    Thank you Slashdot community for continuing to be polite and mature.

  65. I carry on such a device all the time, no trouble by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Aside from that, you'd probably have fun trying to get one of these past the TSA checkpoint at an airport.

    I carry on board aircraft a Solio, combination solar and powered external battery that looks far funkier than anything you might have. With it I can provide power to any number of devices directly, or anything that can plug into a cigarette lighter. I have not once had the TSA even glance at it, even though it goes through the X-Ray every time. Perhaps it's time people stopped being afraid of the TSA, who are frankly more bored than interested in getting all up in your business.

    I've also carried other mixtures of wires and batteries, and hardly ever even get asked to swab the case (which is all that happens now if they have a question about a bag).

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  66. Just as portable given cases people use. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Almost all cases or carryon bags are designed well to hold sheets of paper, which the Air is not much bigger than. The Air is just as portable as the eee for just about any case or backpack I would actually use, and with carryon width is a very important dimension since that's what stops things from going in the overhead bin. I have a nice dent in the top of my Macbook Pro from trying to fit a just slightly overpacked carryon case into the overhead bin - it fit just fine when I took the Macbook out, I had to hold it in the seat pocket in front of me (which also would have worked a lot better than the Air).

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  67. You silly ninnie by pizzach · · Score: 1

    Most people are just going to perminently remove the screws so they can easily ARGH the battery just fell on my foot! THE PAIN!

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  68. Not me ... by namgge · · Score: 1

    I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed.

    I'm waiting for something with a smaller screen and a slower clock speed.

    Apple, please, those of us who travel really want a 12" screen, maximum battery life, and as little heat as possible.

    Namgge

  69. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by EverLurking · · Score: 1

    There are lots of inexpensive (read 1/2 the price of a Swappable/Removable laptop battery pack) external battery packs with higher capacities than said laptop battery packs on the market. Sure none have Apple's MagSafe connector as an option (yet), but I'm sure the crafty Slashdot types out there can figure out how to hack up a pretty inexpensive MagSafe airplane power port connector to work with one of these connections. Ideally, Apple would come up with their own extended battery pack or add on base (clamps onto the vent ports?) for the bottom of the Air. But you could always cobble something very usable and cheap to make together yourself. I suspect some crafty 3rd party manufacturer is going to come out with a replacement base plate for the Air that acommodates a much larger battery at some point (negating the thinness of the Air) to satisfy someone who just has to have a bigger battery. Come on, just get a Macbook already, the Air is just may not be the one for you.

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  70. No Extra battery needed on most long flights by olafva · · Score: 1

    Before you book your international tickets, just checkout:

    http://www.seatguru.com/

    and select a seat with Power. Most modern planes flying
    international routes (777 Airbus) are full of them). Getting a cheap
    adapter sure beats lugging along an extra battery if it were
    easily replaced (which it actually is).

    Looks like Apple made a wise choice for the movers and shakers
    comprising the "jet set" ( knowledgeable ones, that is).

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  71. The solution is simple... by Stratus311 · · Score: 1

    If you don't like the specs, the small size, the fact that the battery isn't user-replaceable.....don't buy one. That's exactly why this isn't the only product that Apple sells.

    Every product is meant to appeal to a certain audience. Is the iPod Shuffle really for everybody? No. Which is why there's the iPod Nano, iPod Classic, etc.

  72. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by leenks · · Score: 1

    The macbook airline power adapter will run the macbook but not charge it, so presumably the air has a similar set up.

  73. Warranty by kmc212 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't this void the warranty?

  74. Portability is not just thinness... by argent · · Score: 1

    The plain old Macbook is more portable than the Macbook Air.

    It's the same width, and you're not going to carry your Macbook Air in a manilla envelope, or even a badded jiffy bag, you're going to carry it in a bag, briefcase, or backpack with about an inch of padding... just like any other laptop... and with the optical drive shoved down into another pocket (so you don't scratch up the 'book's shell).

    Yes, the optical drive.

    No road warrior is going to go out to a customer without the ability to read anything they get handed on a disc.

    So you end up with it taking just as much real space, in a less convenient form.

    No, even I, a notorious defender of the Mac against the people who insist it's just style, have to say that this time it really is just style.

    1. Re:Portability is not just thinness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, now try and make an argument without the cdrom strawman. the cdrom in my last laptop stopped working 2 years before I stopped using the laptop. never missed it once, it was just another pound that I had to drag around

    2. Re:Portability is not just thinness... by tfoss · · Score: 1

      The plain old Macbook is more portable than the Macbook Air. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

      It's the same width, and you're not going to carry your Macbook Air in a manilla envelope, or even a badded jiffy bag, you're going to carry it in a bag, briefcase, or backpack with about an inch of padding... just like any other laptop... and with the optical drive shoved down into another pocket (so you don't scratch up the 'book's shell).

      Yes, the optical drive.

      No road warrior is going to go out to a customer without the ability to read anything they get handed on a disc. Depends very much on what the road warrior is intending to do. I (as a scientist) take my macbook all over the place, and can count on one hand the # of times I've used the optical drive when on road (and those were mostly just for DVD watching). If I could trade for a mba, I would in a heartbeat. Lots of people go places with a computer where they don't need access to optical drives (and in a pinch, flash drives are like candy these days). Not to mention the student population that just lugs a computer around campus...certainly no need to an optical drive all the time. This is clearly a product aimed for a certain market (and as a secondary computer), but I'm pretty sure the market exists.

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    3. Re:Portability is not just thinness... by argent · · Score: 1

      If you're worried about an extra pound, the Macbook Air is pretty heavy for a subnotebook. It weighs a pound more than my Toshiba Libretto did *in 1998*, and laptops have gotten better over the past 10 years.

      And I used the replacable battery in my Libretto on practically every trip, despite its 5 hour battery life, it was great not having to fight over power strips in airports and seminars. And I'd have been happy to accept an extra pound for a port replicator with a CDROM built in.

      I'm sure the Macbook Air is great for a lot of people, but it's got real shortcomings thanks to Apple's style-over-substance design. For a lot of us Mac users, Apple's "cool" design has been nothing but a pain in the cervical vertebrae.

  75. Students have money? by argent · · Score: 1

    If a student can justify the extra $700 over the plain old Macbook, they're a lot better funded than I ever was at college.

    1. Re:Students have money? by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

      Same for me. Will be interesting to see who will be buying them in the end.

    2. Re:Students have money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      students have these massive debts called "loans". when you're $100,000 in debt, an extra $700 matters little

  76. Depth like the 12" iBook by Kopretinka · · Score: 1

    The MacBook Air (like the other 13.3" MacBooks as well) is only a third of an inch more in depth than the 12 inch PowerBook (and actually a bit smaller than the 12 inch iBook), and it's the depth that matters in in cramped conditions. Most of the increased size goes in width, which I don't think will be a problem even on an airplane.

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  77. Students by riker1384 · · Score: 1

    What market segment up until now were saying to themselves "If only this laptop was exactly the same size but *thinner*" Students. You have to carry a bunch of heavy books and notebooks in a backpack, so it would be great if a laptop had roughly the same area as a textbook or binder (I don't know if this one does) but was as thin and light as possible. Of course, right now it's surely too expensive for most students.
  78. No its not by brundle · · Score: 1

    An easy to replace battery is one where you pull it out and stick a new one in.

    A battery which requires removing the case with a screwdriver is a hard to replace battery.

  79. WiMAX. Obviously. by danaris · · Score: 1

    ...'cause, y'know, everywhere you might go has WiMAX.

    Right.

    Dan Aris

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  80. Re:WiMAX. Obviously. by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you haven't heard, but WiMAX isn't like WiFi where it's provided at random places; instead it will be a pervasive network built out by major carriers, like cell service. Sprint has committed to it as their 4G technology and is rolling it out nationwide, starting now. 100 million people will have WiMAX by the end of the year.

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  81. Re:WiMAX. Obviously. by danaris · · Score: 1

    I hope you'll forgive my cynicism, but a) I'll believe it when I see it, and b) not everywhere is a major metropolitan area.

    Dan Aris

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  82. Hater by mr100percent · · Score: 1

    "I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed."

    Sheesh, you like to critcize. Never satisfied are you? Get a macbook pro then

  83. Thinness is not that big a deal. by argent · · Score: 1

    Think about what you would benefit more from, a 1/2 inch off the sides or 1/4 inch off the top.

    A half inch off the sides, for sure. I'm only carrying one laptop, no matter how much other paper I have (and I've had plenty). It's a lot easier to get a carryon that's 1/4 of an inch fatter than a tray table that's 1/2 an inch wider. It's easier to get a briefcase that's 1/4 inch thicker than a desk or bench that's 1/2 inch wider.

    1. Re:Thinness is not that big a deal. by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      A half inch off the sides, for sure. I'm only carrying one laptop, no matter how much other paper I have (and I've had plenty). It's a lot easier to get a carryon that's 1/4 of an inch fatter than a tray table that's 1/2 an inch wider. Well, funny thing about those airline tray tables. IIRC they will accommodate an object wider than their size, though to be honest I can't remember their design from the last time I traveled. I use a toshiba r10 which isn't an ultra portable but I find switching to tablet mode makes it easier to work in a cramped space. I used my laptop on my lap, silly me. But either way a reduction in height to me represents something like 150 sheets of paper or so, perhaps a couple of shirts. A reduction in width represents small tube of toothpaste, small shaving cream, and a portable toothbrush.

      It's easier to get a briefcase that's 1/4 inch thicker than a desk or bench that's 1/2 inch wider. So you agree that because it's space savings eliminates the need for a larger briefcase that it is not a pretender ultra portable? There are limits to what you can take as a carry on bag you see. Even then, it's a good idea to go with the smallest possible size you can.

      Look I don't like this product, I wouldn't buy it. But I do respect their target market. It does meet with ultra portable in terms of size and weight. I do respect the CPU speed for the size the laptop takes up.

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    2. Re:Thinness is not that big a deal. by argent · · Score: 1

      I use a toshiba r10 which isn't an ultra portable but I find switching to tablet mode makes it easier to work in a cramped space.

      Well now, if the Macbook Air had a tablet mode, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But it's not.

      And I do remember the tray tables from the last time I travelled, and the time before that, and missing my Libretto because my Thinkpad was big enough I couldn't fit a glass of juice on th tray as well.

      So you agree that because it's space savings eliminates the need for a larger briefcase that it is not a pretender ultra portable?

      No, because we were talking about 1/4 of an inch.

      There are limits to what you can take as a carry on bag you see.

      A quarter of an inch? You're being ridiculous.

    3. Re:Thinness is not that big a deal. by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      There are limits to what you can take as a carry on bag you see.

      A quarter of an inch? You're being ridiculous. No i'm not. Assuming 9*12*1 a reduction in height by 1/4 inch represents 27in^3. A reduction of 1/2 inch on each side only represents 10.25inch. A reduction in 1 inch on each side represents 20 in^3.

      Given the name of the MB"Air" (MBA) we can assume the target market is a bugger who takes business trips, who wants as much stuff in a single bag.

      So, not only is the gain in volume greater, what is more usable space in a bag

      No, because we were talking about 1/4 of an inch. I have been corrected on the size of the MBAir. The average height is UNDER 1/2 inch (.496in based on current estimates).

      So you have the Toshiba R500 @ 11.1 x 8.5 x .77 = 72.6495 in^3 (do correct me if wrong)
      Vs the Asus Eee which I believe is about 66 in^3 (do correct me if wrong)
      Vs the macbook air which based on current estimates has a displacement of 57inch, though I'm currently skeptical. 12.8 * 8.94 * .16~.76in.

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    4. Re:Thinness is not that big a deal. by argent · · Score: 1

      You're being ridiculous. If 17 cubic inches (roughly the volume of a wall-wart or a pair of socks) is that critical, there's something wrong with your packing.

    5. Re:Thinness is not that big a deal. by zakezuke · · Score: 1
      "You're being ridiculous. If 17 cubic inches (roughly the volume of a wall-wart or a pair of socks) is that critical, there's something wrong with your packing."

      Actually the volume would be 8.5x11x.18 inches or roughly equal to 45 sheets of 20lb paper. I don't know how many socks or light weight silk shirts that would be, or socks for that matter, but it is a significant volume which provides a practical space savings for those who want to fit as much in a single bag as possible.

      I agree it's not much, but a larger screen & lower volume than both the Toshiba R500 & Asus Eeee.

      But back to an old quote

      you'll see the difference between the Macbook Air and the Toshiba is the difference between a real ultralight notebook and a pretender. I don't think anyone claims it's ultra light, but given the weight & volume I would call it an ultra portable. It's not a unit I'd buy as I would gladly give up a little volume for card slots, at least two usbs, and a cardbus/express slot.

      And this old quote

      The Macbook Air might have been an ultraportable ten years ago... it's comparable in weight to my old Libretto, though it's not as convenient to carry... but the goalposts have moved in the past decade. Volume wise, it looks like an improvement. It's made out of aluminum, so I can forgive it being somewhat heavy.

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